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What would've been gained? I have no idea.
Did he do it? No. What he says he offered means nothing. Did he do it?
Have we heard the rams say they were offered 10 picks and didn't take them?
Wait - let me ask again: Did he do it? NO. End of discussion. And I hope he doesn't do something stupid with a lot of picks this year.
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NO, what was to be gained by saying he was trying to do it, either before or after the draft? What was he trying to gain? Who was he trying to outmaneuver?
If the front office talk about stuff trying to get an advantage, then what advantage was Holmgren trying to gain by saying that he had made calls to the Rams trying to get the pick so he could draft Bradford, and that he had offered what it was reported he said he had offered?
What was he trying to gain by saying that if he had no really done so? What advantage was he tryong to create with such "misdirection"?
He could have been trying to create his own market for a team to come up to us for all we know. Jimmy Clausen or Tebow? He did preface it by saying I wished I liked him(Clausen) better. Maybe getting that out there said hey..Cleveland offered this much for Bradford how much do you yhink they would give us for so and so. Maybe it was to put teams on attention that Cleveland was willing to deal some of their draft picks and if a team coveted a certain player or Thought they had a nice player to offer that we were game. Low and behold I believe we traded that draft. Who knows and who cares. Let's just thank the football Gods we didn't take him and make that deal.
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What would've been gained? I have no idea.
Did he do it? No. What he says he offered means nothing. Did he do it?
Have we heard the rams say they were offered 10 picks and didn't take them?
Wait - let me ask again: Did he do it? NO. End of discussion. And I hope he doesn't do something stupid with a lot of picks this year.
Oh dear God.
Holmgren said that he made the offer. I was told that it was BS, despite producing 3 different articles at different phases of the pre-draft time frame where he himself said that he was trying to do just what I said he said he was trying to do. I never said he made the trade. Not once. I said he said that he tried. I was told that it was BS ... and now you're saying that because we didn't make a trade, that he somehow didn't say what he said ....or do what he says he tried to do .....? 
I honestly don't understand you guys arguing this stuff other than to create some stupid, pointless debate. Holmgren said what he said. He had no reason to say it if he didn't try to do exactly what he said he tried to do. Because he didn't succeed does not mean that he didn't try.
If a man asks the same woman to marry him 10 times and she says no 10 times it doesn't mean that he didn't want to marry her. (which is the type of circular logic you guys are using)
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I have no doubt "Y" that Holmgren was serious about making the move...NONE...And I have no doubt that these same talks will be going on in April for Luck...Holmgren KNOWS the significance of securing a QB...A QB u can build your entire Franchise around...Now there's a thought...Franchise QB...hmmmm....
I also have no doubt that the Rams probably wouldn't have accepted anything short of the Moon to sell off Bradford...They see the significance of a Franchise QB and were not gonna let it get away...Not with the need they had for it...If we were #1 last year NO WAY would we let Bradford go...NONE...
Major difference coming up in April...Indy HAS a Franchise QB...And it also just so happens to be one that I would think will be part of that Front Office in the future...DON'T . em' off...
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Eh - you cited 2 different articles (you cited one article twice).
Who cares?
At the end of the day, did the 10 picks for Bradford happen? No.
And I don't want 4 or 5 picks for Luck to happen either.
That's really all I'm saying. That's really all I care about.
I've answered all your questions. Will you answer one from me?
Do you wish we would've traded 10 picks for Bradford, knowing what we now know?
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I don't care how many times you post this,, he was NEVER GOING TO TRADE THE WHOLE DRAFT PLUS MORE TO GET BRADFORD..
Or Bradford would be here..
Read into it all you want.. it wasn't going to happen, he'd have never done it or it would have happened.
Simple as that..
And yeah, I've read all of that before.,.
Holmgren has way to much fun with the media..I heard the Browns are going Defense with the 4th pick..
I also heard that they think that McCoy can improve, and that they aren't trading up in this year's draft.
Isn't this fun? 
You heard that and your laughing at it which tells me you doln't believe it, yet, because it falls in line with your wishes and agenda, you believe that holmgren or anyone would be as dumb as Ditka and trade away thier entire draft + to get one guy that may or may not be any good when it comes right down to it.
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Thank you both Ytown and arch for bringing your poo flinging contest to multiple threads. It is a joy to read the same garbage over and over in multiple threads. I hope in the future you guys can continue to ruin threads with mindless arguments.
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I wasn't big on Bradford coming off of injury, and I also did not want to give up everything at that point to make a trade for him.
I did say that I thought he would be a good choice if he was available at our spot ..... which he was never going to be. I was worried about his shoulder.
I was also far more complimentary towards Newton that I remembered. I hated Claussen as a QB option.
It's interesting to go back and read some of the threads from last year.
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Bradford was a top Qb prospect but still with significant questions. The spread offense and his recent shoulder injury combined with his thin frame raised the issue of fragile or not. Low and behold this year was so miserable because of an injury. Luck is from a more pro style offense and has a much more stout build.
Y - I hated Claussen too.
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Thank you both Ytown and arch for bringing your poo flinging contest to multiple threads. It is a joy to read the same garbage over and over in multiple threads. I hope in the future you guys can continue to ruin threads with mindless arguments.
You are sincerely welcome.
This thread was about "acquiring Luck", wasn't it?
I'm sure Ytown and I have ruined your afternoon. Sorry for that. Carry on with YOUR drivel. 
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First off I will say this: I wanted to cry when the Colts lost to the Jags. Second I would make the trade you purpose to get Luck.
However, read this loud and clear. Andrew Luck is off the board. We can offer the Colts the moon it will not matter. Talk about the fantasy blueprint for a franchise.
1998 you get the first pick and it just happens to be Peyton Manning. Thirteen years and a Super Bowl later you have the worst record and Andrew Luck is there.
Privately Irsay is grinning ear to ear. They have an aging team with plenty of holes and a bunch unrestricted free agents. They know it will take three years of transition to refresh the roster. They owe Manning $28 mil in March. If Manning is healthy and they draft Luck they would have over $50 mil of QB's and Luck is on the bench and the roster sucks. Not going to happen. Manning's health is uncertain in March. Then he is doubtful and nobody is willing to trade for him.
Peyton Manning will not be with the Colts next year. He will not get $28 mil. He will be traded, released or will never play again.
Andrew Luck will be with the Colts.
I disagree with this. Irsay is the biggest Peyton Manning supporter in the building. On TNF a few weeks ago, he pretty much came out and said that if Peyton is healthy, he'll be on the team. Once that happens, the ball starts rolling. Peyton's option then becomes a 4 year contract which would give Indy a poisonous cap hit if they did anything with him other than keep him... and you can sure as hell bet Andrew Luck isn't on board with sitting for 4 years.
If you want to decipher one of Irsay's cryptic as heck Tweets, he said the other day "Anyone can take a hatchet to a Picasso...but pasting back together! Now that's the trick ..." Does that sound like a guy who wants to blow the entire thing up to you? Sure, he could be hoping that Luck instantly turns the franchise around but to me, that signifies more of a smooth rebuild than a blow it up and start from scratch concept.
The way something like THAT is best done is by keeping Peyton, trading the Luck pick for a ton of draft picks to rebuild the roster and draft a high upside QB to be mentored by Manning for a few years to take over (which is the REAL Favre/Rodgers formula). Griffin could be that guy. Jones/Tannehill/Foles could be that guy. All of them could be available if they traded Luck to us for a package like the one listed. Luck wants to play right away. Why choose the "NFL ready" guy over the "upside" guys if you don't plan on playing him right away? We need the NFL ready QB. The Colts don't if they keep Manning.
Just saying... the media is pushing the Manning-to-Luck transition because it makes for some damn easy writing but I don't think it's anywhere near the guarantee it's being made out to be. When the biggest fan of Manning is the team owner and, as Peter King said, the decision made with Peyton will likely be a "family decision" instead of a football decision, I think there's a very legitimate chance that the Colts keep Manning and move Luck somewhere he'll be happy. Regardless, like Heckert said... nobody is unobtainable...
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I like this post a lot Dawg In Dayton. People make out this idea that if we pick up Andrew Luck that we'll be giving up our entire draft. What you proposed sounds fine to me, and if the Colts took the deal, I'd jump in it. My fear is that the Colts will want a 2nd rounder as well. But it's all about how they value that Falcons pick. But this deal looks similar to what the Giants gave the Chargers for Manning. Re-Sign Hillis FA---1) Mario Williams FA---2) Desean Jackson/Robert Meachem/Marques Colton FA---3) Depth - Possibly a WLB or MLB? FA---4) CB Depth - Someone like Patterson again, Sheldon Brown will get worse and worse Rnd 1---#1---Luck Rnd 2---#36--- Someone who can play RT, Zebrie Sanders? If we somehow get a FA RT that's real, Sanu, some linebacker, or DE (depending on FA) Rnd 4---#100--- Rnd 5---#131--- Rnd 6---#184--- Rnd 7---#194--- I can't really just pull guys out in these later rounds. I don't know who they are or what our needs will be. It's the same issue in the 2nd round. But I see four major needs besides QB if we can re-sign Hillis. WR, RT, 1LB, DE. But I think you have a good point Dawg In Dayton. Our draft doesn't look that much different than any other draft if we made that trade. We'd lose a 3rd round pick and next year's 1st essentially. To me, that's absolutely worth it. I'd like to find a good WR or RT (I have more faith in a wide receiver though) in FA and I'd like to find a good DE or LB for the defensive side. I'd love Mario Williams. That Cliff Avril guy would be good too. I'd rather get John Abraham over Robert Mathis, but that's because I know Abraham better. If we can get two big name free agents, one on each side of the ball, we'd be in okay shape for the trade. And I think that trade would pay off major dividends for many years. A top-notch QB is something the Browns haven't had in a REAL long time. I'd be buying myself a Luck jersey ASAP. Very good post Dawg In Dayton. I know many people say you're crazy for what you're giving up, I say, I'M DOWN. Pull the trigger baby. Forget Flynn and RG3. Luck is as close to a sure thing as any, and I'll hitch my wagon to that horse. And we won't sacrifice our "whole draft" with that trade. We'll have an early 2nd and early 4th round pick as well. Heckert will get us a player in the 2nd round for sure. He's legit My only fear is RT. That position simply must be addressed. By the looks of it, it can be I just dunno if that's enough to move up for Andrew Luck 
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You heard that and your laughing at it which tells me you doln't believe it, yet, because it falls in line with your wishes and agenda, you believe that holmgren or anyone would be as dumb as Ditka and trade away thier entire draft + to get one guy that may or may not be any good when it comes right down to it.
Ditka's stupidity was in trading that much to draft a RB, not in choosing to make a move like that. A RB's productivity can be replaced reasonably well by a decent backup. A franchise QB's impact cannot. Even if you put a guy like Sanchez on the Saints/Packers/Patriots, they go from amazing to mediocre on offense. It's one of the reasons why I believe that if you think a guy is a franchise QB, there's very little that would qualify as "too expensive" for him.
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Do you think it's a realistic possibility that we can sign both Mario Williams and Jackson/Colston/Meachem?
Remember also that Julius Peppers signed a 6-year contract with the Bears for $91.5 million ($42 million guaranteed in the first three years) at age thirty.
Williams will be twenty-seven at the end of this month and has had a very impressive career. So his deal will likely be something similar to Peppers. Also remember that Charles Johnson of the Panthers got paid 6-years $72 millions ($32 million guaranteed) this past off-season. I'd say Williams new contract falls somewhere in between those two. And that's if the Texans don't franchise him (they might not with the emergence of Barwin and Reed).
And then on top of that, we would have to pay one of the best free agent wide receivers a pretty big contract.
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If you are acquiring Luck this year, then I think nearly all FA money should be spent on the offensive side.
You need to resign Hillis, then you still need an OG/OT/#1 WR.
No use in putting $60 million and 4 #1 draft picks into a franchise QB, and then giving him an offensive line that is going to get him bludgeoned.
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I will answer the points you have made in a couple of different ways.
I don't believe what owners say or tweet. Just like I don't believe what politicians say or tweet.
The facts are Manning is 36 years old. His ability to pass a physical and play is in question. His last neck surgery was in September. Nerve damage is very unpredictable. It has been reported that it has affected his triceps on his throwing arm. He is due $28 million in March. Injuries of that nature are not on anybody's time frame.
Would you pay Peyton $28 million dollars under these circumstances? I would not.
The Colts are in a rebuilding mold no matter what the condition of Peyton Manning.
Who is going to benefit if he is with the Colts? Will Peyton want to go through rebuilding? Would Luck benefit sitting on the bench? All the NFL experts say Luck is the most NFL prepared (called 90% of the plays at Stanford) NFL ready QB to come out of college. Did Peyton sit when he came into the league with the Colts?
If Peyton can pass a physical what would he bring in trade to help refresh the roster?
If you had the first pick in the draft considering all these factors would you pass on drafting Andrew Luck?
Are the Colts Super Bowl contenders next year even with a healthy Manning? I don't think so. When you win 2 games and lost 13 straight the problem is more than one player. Check the age of their roster and the number of unrestricted free agents. Start with Reggie Wayne who already took his name off his locker.
In a perfect world you like to sign both and "transition" to Luck. But it is not a perfect world and the money does not add up. In addition, there are just to many questions marks regarding the team. The whole deal with Poilan just points to the turmoil within.
Just my opinion but I don't believe Peyton Manning will be a Colt next year, but I do see Andrew Luck as one. But hey I could be wrong.
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Do you think it's a realistic possibility that we can sign both Mario Williams and Jackson/Colston/Meachem?
I don't think we can sign Jackson/Colston AND Williams. I do think possibly Meachem. Everything depends on money. That seems like a decent estimate on Williams. I can't imagine he'll get Peppers money, but right below, probably. But Meachem, I have no idea what he'll get. Awhile ago I wanted Bryant Johnson in FA (when he was on the Cardinals), he didn't turn out as good as I thought he was/could be and his value reflected that. He made much less than I thought he'd get.
So I dunno, all depends on the value of Meachem and our cap situation.
It's all a balance. We really need a DE, a really good one would be great for this defense. To me, there's two positions I'd really like to upgrade (as long as we re-sign Hillis), that's DE and RT. Those two are very important. In this case, they would have to be filled in FA or our 2nd round draft pick. We need two new starters on those positions. One to be the bookend for our the right side of our O-Line (and because Pashos won't be getting any better or stay as good, he'll only get worse), the other to help our D-Line reach its potential. Sheard, Williams, Taylor, and Rubin would be a darn good D-Line. This would help verses the run and it would help even more verses the pass.
I do think Mass will be better next year with a training camp (his concussions are what make me nervous), and I think Greg Little will be better. WR is not the same priority as the other two. But WR is my next essential position. 1) RT 2) DE 3) WR. Between FA and a 2nd round pick, I'd like to get two if not all three figured out (Definitely the RT and hopefully the DE, but if not the WR)
I just think Dawg In Dayton has a point, with that trade, we could still do stuff in the draft and we'd have Andrew Luck. Next year we wouldn't have a 1st round pick, which would suck, but we'll have our 2-7; which we can work with. Plus we'll have a franchise QB that could hopefully spend a Manning-esque career with the Browns. We just need to get a right tackle to make sure he doesn't get killed by a collapsing right side over and over. The tackles are my most important positions, especially concerning pass protection, on an O-Line. That right tackle is key
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No use in putting $60 million and 4 #1 draft picks into a franchise QB, and then giving him an offensive line that is going to get him bludgeoned.
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I guess in the end maybe it is all about money but for the life of me, I can't see why a WR would leave Drew Brees and the Saints to come here.. at least not yet. He plays in a fun city, he plays inside and even most of his away games are where its warm, he has a QB that throws for a bazillion yards and throws TDs in bunches.. I have to think that when the time comes that will have some value to him... unless the Saints feel that Brees can just take the next guy and turn him into a Meacham so they give him a lowball offer.. but I don't see him leaving.
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I don't believe what owners say or tweet. Just like I don't believe what politicians say or tweet.
Understandably, but believe what Jim Irsay says... he's cut from a different cloth. He just chooses to be cryptic and quote random lyrics over lying. Plus, if he's lying and Peyton is done... why was Peyton involved with helping the team? Why does he keep wearing Colts gear around? Why did Irsay get so excited when his physical came back positive? Why was he not put on IR to free up the roster spot instead of holding out hope of practicing with the team? Why would Irsay lie about bringing Peyton back instead of slowly bringing his fans to reality of his departure? Peyton Manning is the reason Lucas Oil Stadium exists. Irsay signed him to the contract knowing he was hurt. He knew the risks and did it anyway. I think Irsay would be devastated if Manning retired in another uniform.
I firmly believe this - if Peyton Manning is healthy, he's a Colt next year.
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The facts are Manning is 36 years old. His ability to pass a physical and play is in question. His last neck surgery was in September. Nerve damage is very unpredictable. It has been reported that it has affected his triceps on his throwing arm. He is due $28 million in March. Injuries of that nature are not on anybody's time frame.
Would you pay Peyton $28 million dollars under these circumstances? I would not.
If he's healthy I would and again, that's what it all comes down to. Look at it this way though - he's one of the all-time greats who had not missed a single game coming into this season. The nature of his injury/surgery is that if it works, it doesn't put him at greater risk... and by all accounts, he's on the path to recovery. If I think he's going to be healthy and productive for the last 4 years of his contract (which by all accounts if he heals he should be) then there's no way in hell I'm dumping him. The Browns haven't even gotten 1 year of stud QB play since they've been back, why would someone give up 4 for nothing?
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Who is going to benefit if he is with the Colts? Will Peyton want to go through rebuilding? Would Luck benefit sitting on the bench? All the NFL experts say Luck is the most NFL prepared (called 90% of the plays at Stanford) NFL ready QB to come out of college. Did Peyton sit when he came into the league with the Colts?
Define rebuild. To Browns' fans, it means firing everyone, dumping the roster and starting fresh. The fact that Caldwell is even still around now hints that may not be the case. That Twitter quote I gave you tells me rebuilding's something different to Irsay. He needs to rebuild parts of the team for sure but maybe not the whole thing...
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Nothing. His contract can't be re-negotiated before the Colts have to pick up the option and after picking it up, it becomes a crippling cap space timebomb. They either have to keep him for 4 years (which is why I don't think Luck will want to be there) or dump him. Peyton is untradeable.
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Sure. If Manning is healthy, why would I want Luck vs. Robert Griffin & 2/3 extra picks? Griffin has more upside than Luck does and should actually be willing to ride the pine while learning a pro-style offense. Win/win.
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Are the Colts Super Bowl contenders next year even with a healthy Manning? I don't think so. When you win 2 games and lost 13 straight the problem is more than one player. Check the age of their roster and the number of unrestricted free agents. Start with Reggie Wayne who already took his name off his locker.
They're at least a playoff team. Almost that exact roster was a playoff team before Manning got hurt. Who cares if you lose Reggie Wayne? He's old and slowing down. If they deal Luck, they'd have a TON of picks to use to replace him AND get younger at other positions which qualifies as a rebuild. Remember too... Peyton is so good, he makes wide receivers. Who on earth were Pierre Garcon/Austin Collie/Jacob Tamme before Peyton and who are they really after him?
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In a perfect world you like to sign both and "transition" to Luck. But it is not a perfect world and the money does not add up. In addition, there are just to many questions marks regarding the team. The whole deal with Poilan just points to the turmoil within.
Polian was fired for his son Chris being a dolt and for not getting a backup QB. Concerning Luck, exactly... but if you listened to Luck's post-Bowl interview, when asked specifically about the Colts he gave a bunch of generic lines... with a ridiculous amount of qualifiers. "Whatever situation I'll be in" "If that's the situation" "If that's how it is, such is life" "If that is indeed what happens" He dropped all that in the span of about 30 seconds. Not once actually mentioning Peyton (who he knows personally). Not once mentioning the Colts. Does that sound like a guy who's convinced he's a Colt or who wants to be there?
Sorry for the long responses... you'll probably be the only one reading this post (if you even do) and I know it's tough to think otherwise with the media drooling all over the thought of writing countless boring and predictable articles about Manning passing the torch to Luck and draftniks saying how it's impossible the Colts pass on "the greatest prospect since Elway" or whatever BS title they give him (I remember last year how EVERY draftnik had Locker rated higher overall before the season began... my how things have changed).
Just realize that it's not as black and white as it's being made out to be and again, when your GM is saying he believes "nobody is unobtainable", there's always a chance. 
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My bad, it's more like $30M now - though 4 1st round picks still means you should protect the guy.
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Nothing. His contract can't be re-negotiated before the Colts have to pick up the option and after picking it up, it becomes a crippling cap space timebomb. They either have to keep him for 4 years (which is why I don't think Luck will want to be there) or dump him. Peyton is untradeable.
Not that I think it will happen, but Manning can agree to push back the option date in his contract...
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Listen. I get it. It's complicated. It's great for debate because there are many ways to look at it. All opinions are valid.
I have said all over the place I would give up the farm for Luck. Believe me. I hope I am wrong about this. I would love to see them listen to offers if the Browns come calling. Plenty of others disagree.
Montana, Unitas, Farve just to name a few ended there careers in other places. It's a cold world.
Poilan was not fired because of his son. That's a speculative reach. Don't go down Loyalty Lane about Manning just ask Poilan.
If I was calling the shots for the Colts; Manning is gone. Spin the PR with niceties. Let him pick teams to trade too after restructuring or extending the March 28th deadline. Maybe some kind of injury clause. There is always room to negotiate always. Especially when both parties have questions and concerns.
In the end, I can see your thought process. I just don't see it that way.
My slight sliver of hope is all about Andrew Luck wearing an Orange Helmet though.
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I find it funny how Browns fans think draft picks are such gold especially after our past 10 years of drafting history. People are so fearful of the downside which being from Cleveland or rooting for Cleveland sports will do to you....it's burned into our DNA.
Personally speaking, as I've said in other threads, I would go for the "risk" and do it. It hasn't worked the other way trying to build a team around a crappy QB. Let's get a (supposed) real francise QB and then build the team around him. If it doesn't work, well....we're used to that.
This 2012 is so weak I'd be willing to give up most of the draft b/c the value is so subpar compared to most other drafts.
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I agree wojo.....picks are over valued.
You get 7 picks and in any year you maybe pick up 2 solid players if you are lucky.
Many of the picks that stick could just as easily be found as a free agent.
As an example, we could find a MoMass nearly anywhere, or it would be close enough it wouldn't make any difference.
If you find a guy you really like, go get him and be happy with that.
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I find it funny how Browns fans think draft picks are such gold
This is the obvious result of being in "rebuild" mode for over a decade and most years the most exciting thing that we have to look forward to is the draft... when did draft threads start showing up? Week 2? If it wasn't for the draft, there would be no optimism in Cleveland Browns football.. So building up to a draft and then selling everything for 1 worthwhile #1 pick... well that's like premature ejaculation for a Browns fan.
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Major difference coming up in April...Indy HAS a Franchise QB...And it also just so happens to be one that I would think will be part of that Front Office in the future...DON'T . em' off...
U have to look at the bigger picture..no one knows how Manning will come back ..he doesn't..but the fact is if he does,if he's capable of playing at a high level ,one solid hit takes him out of the game..for good.
I read a article yesterday about Irsay saying the real reason they floundered was that the Colts didn't have a groomed backup to replace PM this season..now read into that because I did..if you're the Colts with a QB recovering from how many surgeries(3?) on that neck would U risk that when you have a highly rated QB such as Luck sitting there?
And if U do trade down the questions regarding other QB's are the same as the Browns woud have about them..can they come in and light it up?
It has to be factored in.the Colts will not be a easy trading partner..
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I don't see the comparison.. Quote:
I find it funny how Browns fans think draft picks are such gold especially after our past 10 years of drafting history.
Because it happened in the past, is it absolute that it will continue in the future?
Draft picks are valuable to a team that wants to build through the draft. That's where they want to get thier core players.. so to them, they place a higher value on them then say a Washington had in the past.
Speaking of which, where has going off the reservation gotten the Redskins? Oh yeah, one win more than us.
The value of a draft pick is directly related to the plan a team decides to employ. It has nothing to do with draft history. Nothing.
Tomorrow is another day, living in the past won't get you were you want to go in the future.. Be aware of the mistakes, try not to make them again but move forward.,
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j/c
Is it possible for the Colts to not pick up Manning's option and instead franchise tag him? I feel like that would save them a lot of money, or put them in a position where someone would have to give up a lot to get Manning on their team. They could still draft Luck, have him hold the clipboard for some time and then fill in once Manning retires.
I don't see the Colts gambling on a 37 year old quarterback with multiple neck injuries. It just does not make sense to pass up what many are calling one of the greatest QB prospects ever just to give yourself a couple of years of Manning. Make Luck sit and have him learn, that'd be the smart thing, and exactly the route I still the Colts going.
Add the fact that Cam Newton's salary this year is a whopping $375k, and I think it becomes quite obvious that the Colts won't pass up essentially 2 decades of elite QB potential (10 years of Manning, 10 of Luck) just to have a chance to be good for an extra year or two.
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i dont' think so.
the only way for the Colts to not pay Mannings option would be to cut him (so they can't franchise him) or for Peyton to renegotiate his contract (so they wouldn't need it).
tags are for impending FAs and since Peyton's contract isn't running out, it's not an option.
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Going off what you said was Cam Newtons salary. I keep thinking that if I am the best Qb in a long time coming out of college I want to go somewhere I start from day one. I would think Luck may be hesitant to sign somewhere that he is not able start earning that second contract right away. What happens if they restructure Mannings deal and he comes back as good as ever. 2-3 years of Manning could turn into 4-5 more years, particularly if he manages another superbowl win. Does any team give Luck the big payday after sitting the bench for 4 years?And are the Colts even willing to give him the big payday that he would get it he goes to a team, starts from day one and plays to his potential for the first contract duration?
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i dont' think so.
the only way for the Colts to not pay Mannings option would be to cut him (so they can't franchise him) or for Peyton to renegotiate his contract (so they wouldn't need it).
tags are for impending FAs and since Peyton's contract isn't running out, it's not an option.
This whole payton manning thing is pretty funny., My guess (and yeah, it's only a guess) is that the deal is done already.
Meaning, Irsay wanted to do a deal with Manning and Polian didn't, so Polian is gone and Irsay got a deal done with manning to seriosly cut the guaranteed money he's owed, making it possible to sign him to a lesser deal and still draft Luck.
Manning isn't an idiot. he knows his time is coming to an end. And my guess is manning has already struck a deal with Irsay for a role in the team other than QB.
Manning is going to be a Colt next year.. on the sidelines (as a player or coach) or in the FO and Andrew Luck will be the future for that team.
That's just my opinion,, But I'd put money on it.
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If I was calling the shots for the Colts; Manning is gone. Spin the PR with niceties. Let him pick teams to trade too after restructuring or extending the March 28th deadline. Maybe some kind of injury clause. There is always room to negotiate always. Especially when both parties have questions and concerns.
Andrew Brandt broke it down nicely and said that the deadline to make a decision on Manning cannot be moved because of something in the CBA prohibiting changes before a certain date. Manning cannot be traded feasibly. It's either release or keep him or incur a ridiculous cap hit to trade him. Score one for Tom Condon.
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luck to Cleveland < or = snowballs chance in hell.
Ain't happening dude.
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An Onion article in a football forum? They aren't even allowed in the "Everything else" forum. 
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LOL! 
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must be the therapeutic neck beard.
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It's the support he gets from his neck beard.
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