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My dream offseason:
Sign Flynn, sign Meachem, draft Richardson by moving down a few spots and picking up an extra pick. And we give up no picks in the process. If that's not possible, I would take Richardson at #4.
I don't think VJax or Bowe will make it to the market. That's why I'm going with Meachem. He would instantly be the best WR on our team with some still potential boom years ahead for a former #1 pick.
I'm a little torn on Flynn honestly, but I think he's our best option this offseason. Keep McCoy, dump Wallace. Make Flynn the starter.
If we don't sign Flynn, then I'm all for drafting RGIII if he's there at #4. I wouldn't give up any picks for him.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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As a guy who wants to sign a WR who's currently playing on a team in the SB, this may seem odd..
But there is NO WAY Meachem leaves NO is there? You'd leave playing more than half of your games in a Dome and getting passes thrown from Drew Brees...
...To come to Cleveland? Come ooooon...
Unless he views himself as higher than a #3-4 option which is all he is in NO, then he may go somewhere else, if someone (over)pays for him...
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I've been getting that a lot lately from people when I mention Meachem.
Already won Super Bowl + Undisputed #1 in Cleveland + Browns offer more money than NO or anyone else = Meachem possibly in Cleveland
He's just a guy in NO. Why wouldn't he want to make more money somewhere else being a #1 especially considering he's already got the ring?
I think it would be easier to accomplish than people think especially if we show him the money.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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That's a good point...
But do you really wanna show some guy the money who's never really proven he can be THE GUY?
I don't want to throw #1 money at someone just to say we have a #1...
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However, any WR will look at how he will be used, and his chances for success. The potential WR will look at the offense, how he fits in, how much the team throws the ball, and who the QB is .... and how he plays.
That, plus the chance to start if he does not currently do so, and of course, how much money he will make are all factors that will come into play.
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You have to think that the Dolphins are the front runner for Flynn now that they hired his offensive coordinator as their head coach.
I wouldn't mind getting Matt Moore from the phins if this scenario occurs, but just because their Coach has ties, doesn't automatically make them the front runner in it self.
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You have to think that the Dolphins are the front runner for Flynn now that they hired his offensive coordinator as their head coach.
I wouldn't mind getting Matt Moore from the phins if this scenario occurs, but just because their Coach has ties, doesn't automatically make them the front runner in it self.
better overall OL, better WRs, better weather (matters for throwing the ball in December), and their coach has tutored/mentored him his whole NFL career (with Clements).
if Philbin doesn't want Flynn and doesn't make a huge play for him, then we shouldn't want Flynn either (unless the Peyton to Miami rumors are real).
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You have to think that the Dolphins are the front runner for Flynn now that they hired his offensive coordinator as their head coach.
I wouldn't mind getting Matt Moore from the phins if this scenario occurs, but just because their Coach has ties, doesn't automatically make them the front runner in it self.
better overall OL, better WRs, better weather (matters for throwing the ball in December), and their coach has tutored/mentored him his whole NFL career (with Clements).
if Philbin doesn't want Flynn and doesn't make a huge play for him, then we shouldn't want Flynn either (unless the Peyton to Miami rumors are real).
Is he also the GM? I don't know, but what I do know is that Miami can win with a horse they already have in the barn with Matt Moore.
I don't think that Carolina is crying the blues over letting him get away with Newton, but Moore was a very pleasant find for that franchise this year imo ... I saw a different QB in Miami in 2011 ... One that is two dimensional, meaning that he has the innate ability to go to his left (off hand) and still gather himself to make an accurate throw, moving to either side of the offense, forcing a defense to play the whole field.
Just maybe there are higher bidders, then the Dolphins might or might not be is all I am saying.
But if they are not sold on Matt Moore and still don't seek Flynn's services, then it might make some wonder why, however I don't think we are waiting for the Dolphins to make our determinations on Flynn or any other player ... If we are then we are in big trouble. 
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yep, I agree. just pointing out that if Miami wants a QB and Philbin is telling them that Flynn isn't worth it, then that's an awfully bad sign.
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yep, I agree. just pointing out that if Miami wants a QB and Philbin is telling them that Flynn isn't worth it, then that's an awfully bad sign.
and you'd know if Philbin is telling them Flynn is worth it, how?
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yep, I agree. just pointing out that if Miami wants a QB and Philbin is telling them that Flynn isn't worth it, then that's an awfully bad sign.
and you'd know if Philbin is telling them Flynn is worth it, how?
because there would be plenty of reports of Philbin being at Flynn's door at midnight the night FA opens?
in the world in instant reporting, news seems to get out pretty good.
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So if Miami doesn't sign Flynn...
Noone else should?
I see a logic hole here...
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this is getting taken a bit out of context here
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this is getting taken a bit out of context here
Are you new? Is this.. Is this your first day here?
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 just stating it, not saying it wasn't expected
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Aaron Rodgers calls Matt Flynn to Dolphins a 'strong possibility'
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8:19 p.m. EST, January 25, 2012
Matt Flynn to the Miami Dolphins?
Aaron Rodgers thinks it’s a “strong possibility.”
In fact, Rodgers on Wednesday told a Milwaukee radio station he sees the Dolphins and the Seattle Seahawks as the “two top dogs” in the race for the talented backup, expected to become an unrestricted free agent in March.
This is based on a conversation with Flynn “in the last few days,” Rodgers said of his backup quarterback in Green Bay the past four years.
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the Dolphins and the Seattle Seahawks as the “two top dogs” in the race for the talented backup... This is based on a conversation with Flynn “in the last few days,” Rodgers
and just maybe that is an indication of what the browns are thinking (RGIII) -otherwise, why wouldn't we be a main player for Flynn.
I don't get Seattle though- maybe Carroll is becoming the new Gruden, just collecting QB's.
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man, I hope he goes to the dolphins.
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By Mike Berardino Sun Sentinel
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Matt Flynn to the Miami Dolphins?
Aaron Rodgers thinks it’s a “strong possibility.”
In fact, Rodgers on Wednesday told a Milwaukee radio station he sees the Dolphins and the Seattle Seahawks as the “two top dogs” in the race for the talented backup, expected to become an unrestricted free agent in March.
This is based on a conversation with Flynn “in the last few days,” Rodgers said of his backup quarterback in Green Bay the past four years.
Huh, I didn't know that teams where able to have any contact with a FA until after the season and FA begins.
Anyways a "strong possibility" is still a country mile from a sure thing.
This might however be an indication where Flynn would like to go or thinks that he could end up ... At least this is my inclination on what was talked about between the two QB's and reported here.
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Teams cannot talk with a player under contract with another team. They also don't need to for this sort of thing to come out.
Do you really think that Flynn and his agent are not a hundred times more aware of the situation and which teams are looking like good landing spots for him?
Heck, read that story again and it sounds like Flynn and his agent are trying to spark an early bidding war for Flynn... letting it be known now, in public, that those two teams are the "two top dogs".
Browns is the Browns
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man, I hope he goes to the dolphins.
yeah, sort of worst case scenario for us if he ends up in Seattle. leaves Miami and Washington still needing a QB and I love the idea of Washington getting Peyton, but don't see why he wouldn't go to a more "ready-made" contender.
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why wouldn't we be a main player for Flynn.
Maybe because we don't want to pay the money that it will take to bring him here....
Everyone wants to talk about how Holmgren got his QB's through FA....but how much did they really spend to get those guys....Farve was a back up on the Falcons and wasn't considered to be much of anything....And Hasselback didn't cost them an arm and a leg to bring to Seattle either....Granted this was all before the real back-up QB boon where the NFL started paying premiums for backups. The only real big contract for a backup went to Scott Mitchell and that blew up in the Lion's faces...so the boon for guys like Schaub, Kolb, Cassell, etc...really hadn't started....In fact it was the success of guys like Favre, and Hasselback that helped lead to the backup QB boon.
The Browns are fine with going after guys in FA...but they are NOT going to blatently OVERPAY to get them. I would not expect them to be a big player for Flynn...basically because there is a very limited amout of work out on the guy to be handing over such a large contract. And secondly...I don't think the Browns are panicking over the QB situation as much as the fans and so called journalistic experts out there...JMO
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I can see that, but he may think (as I do) that any team he goes to whose biggest need is QB is a contender.
Hmm, now that I look at it, the Skins beat the Giants twice and three NFC West teams. Maybe he wouldn't make them a contender. Oh well.
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i'm thinking he wants to go to a place with a really good defense and a few weapons on offense
I wrote KC as #5 on my list in the other thread, but really they might make the most sense (adding easily winnable division to the list)
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i'm thinking he wants to go to a place with a really good defense and a few weapons on offense
I wrote KC as #5 on my list in the other thread, but really they might make the most sense (adding easily winnable division to the list)
Manning can "Want" all he wants...There won't be many takers for obvious reasons...
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and just maybe that is an indication of what the browns are thinking (RGIII) -otherwise, why wouldn't we be a main player for Flynn.
Maybe.. just maybe.. and I'm just going to throw this out there.. but MAYBE.. the Front Office doesn't think Colt McCoy is the worst QB since Mike Phipps and they aren't aggressively planning on dumping cash or draft picks to acquire his replacement.
I realize that it has just become generally accepted on this board through 400 QB threads and constant iteration and dreaming of Andrew Luck and all sorts of other possibilities that it's not a matter of "if" but "who" Colt's replacement will be... but it is still within the realm of possibility that the team doesn't see it that way..
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Teams cannot talk with a player under contract with another team. They also don't need to for this sort of thing to come out.
Do you really think that Flynn and his agent are not a hundred times more aware of the situation and which teams are looking like good landing spots for him?
Heck, read that story again and it sounds like Flynn and his agent are trying to spark an early bidding war for Flynn... letting it be known now, in public, that those two teams are the "two top dogs".
I can speculate that they have been laying down plans and planing for their possibilities, but that's not to say that all parties have and will be heard from either ... At least not until after FA begins.
We are only hearing from one side of the equation at this point.
One thing that also points to those two teams is the fact that they have other teams like us and Washington who are a head of them on the draft board and could both be looking to draft one with their first round selections.
On that subject ... I see that Tony Dungy is trying to hype RG3 as being a better prospect then is Andrew Luck, trying to help drive his draft stock up imo.
I just think that he has an agenda with the Colts having the first pick and all and also the more obvious agenda could be in play here too. Dungy certainly is on an island here ... the professor I think. 
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and it's also possible that the team is not sure what it is going to do at this point.
maybe they have a $ number that they'll go to on Flynn
or maybe there's certain QBs they would draft if they fall to different slots
otherwise, they'll stick one more year with Colt
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I think landing Robert Meachem would be a difficult sell.
For one,he's always played football mostly in the South. He would probally want to stay in the South.
Second,he would want to go to a playoff team...the Browns are rebuilding..since 99.
If it came down to Cleveland,Tampa, or even Carolina...for a few mil less he would choose Tampa or Carolina for ex.
Cleveland just isn't a number #1 spot for FA's to land right now.
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Everyone wants to talk about how Holmgren got his QB's through FA....but how much did they really spend to get those guys....Farve was a back up on the Falcons and wasn't considered to be much of anything....And Hasselback didn't cost them an arm and a leg to bring to Seattle either...
Ron Wolf traded a 1st round pick for Favre, essentially "drafting" him #19 overall. Holmgren, by the way, didn't have anything to do with the trade.
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I'd imagine Aaron Rodgers named Seattle and Miami because Flynn prefers those destinations. So why wouldn't we be in the running for him? My guess is that he has no desire to play here.
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I'd imagine Aaron Rodgers named Seattle and Miami because Flynn prefers those destinations. So why wouldn't we be in the running for him? My guess is that he has no desire to play here.
Seattle and Miami make sense because Miami presumably will run a WCO w/ Philbin (HC) and possibly Sherman (if they get him at OC). Seattle has a WCO OC in Bevell running their offense.
Now, why Cleveland is not getting mentioned as a possible Sherman destination for OC or Flynn destination for QB is what is disconcerting (though it doesn't really matter - it's all fluff right now). Are we really so far down on the totem pole for coaching and playing that we don't even get the token mentions in possible destinations for obvious WCO guys?
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I'd imagine Aaron Rodgers named Seattle and Miami because Flynn prefers those destinations. So why wouldn't we be in the running for him? My guess is that he has no desire to play here.
Seattle and Miami make sense because Miami presumably will run a WCO w/ Philbin (HC) and possibly Sherman (if they get him at OC). Seattle has a WCO OC in Bevell running their offense.
Now, why Cleveland is not getting mentioned as a possible Sherman destination for OC or Flynn destination for QB is what is disconcerting (though it doesn't really matter - it's all fluff right now). Are we really so far down on the totem pole for coaching and playing that we don't even get the token mentions in possible destinations for obvious WCO guys?
OK,, help me out here.. if it doesn't matter because it's all fluff right now, why is it disconcerting? 
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Well, as for Sherman, I wouldn't consider Cleveland as a place where a high profile OC would want to go. Sure we're hiring but, the guy that's hired already knows he's not calling the plays. So in a sense, it's still going to be Shurmer's offense.
As for Flynn, I wouldn't worry about it. Look at Prince Fielder and the Tigers. NOBODY had him going to Detroit since the season ended. Yes, the VMart injury influenced that signing, but teams keep this kind of stuff very close to the chest. Just because some media member doesn't have us listed as a possible destination...meh, nothing to care about right now (or maybe ever).
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I meant to add "for some" at the end of that sentence. the parenthesis summarize my thought on it.
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I don't know. Shumur did say that he would hand over play-calling to the right OC. I don't see how Sherman wouldn't be considered that type of OC.
And, imagine the positive press that an OC would get if he turned around the Cleveland offense. Even if the QB, WR1, WR3, RB, and RT all got replaced/upgraded in the offseason. So, if he could get some assurances about how/who those upgrades would be, then it's not such a bad gig.
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yaaay....reports are starting to filter out that we were indeed just waiting for Sherman and Childress to see if they got HC jobs and they are indeed both on our radars (search: La Confora Sherman Browns).
just nice to see that we were indeed waiting on HC jobs and are conducting a real search of OCs even if Childress wouldn't be my first choice (cmon Sherman, ignore what I said about Miami and focus on that paragraph on being the Browns offensive savior)
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Maybe.. just maybe.. and I'm just going to throw this out there.. but MAYBE.. the Front Office doesn't think Colt McCoy is the worst QB since Mike Phipps and they aren't aggressively planning on dumping cash or draft picks to acquire his replacement.
I realize that it has just become generally accepted on this board through 400 QB threads and constant iteration and dreaming of Andrew Luck and all sorts of other possibilities that it's not a matter of "if" but "who" Colt's replacement will be... but it is still within the realm of possibility that the team doesn't see it that way..
That was a good post because it kept me from having to come up with a way to say it.
To many on here it's a done deal that the FO is done with Colt but it's not.
That's not an endorsement for Colt.
It is however an endorsement for the fact that the board does not make up the mind of the FO nor has more than a scant few been able to predict any of their their moves. (That doesn't make them bad moves.)
A lot has been speculated due to the use of fans "eyes" and vast knowledge of the game. In addition, a lot has been surmised as to the "real" meaning behind otherwise innocent and standard quotes from Lerner, Holmgren, Heckert & Shurmur.
The truth is I believe that no matter what the FO does a lot of fans will be surprised by the outcome.
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I mentioned in the Campbell thread that I wouldn't mind having him here. I suppose I feel the same for Flynn, but the price tag to go out and get him will be too steep, in my opinion.
I also wouldn't be surprised or all that disappointed if Colt was under center to start the next season. I just hope that we don't stand pat at the QB position. Colt has to have someone pushing him, at least.
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One positive: Old #10 Quinn jerseys could be easily converted to #10 Flynn jerseys. Maybe that's a reason for the front office not to go that direction though. lol
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Maybe that's a reason for the front office not to go that direction though. lol
the Broncos should sign Flynn, with Brady as backup and bring Spergon out of retirement to be QB3 (Tebow to HB).
then, they could have Flynn, Quinn, and Wynn..
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