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One positive: Old #10 Quinn jerseys could be easily converted to #10 Flynn jerseys.
Maybe that's a reason for the front office not to go that direction though.  lol
the Broncos should sign Flynn, with Brady as backup and bring Spergon out of retirement to be QB3 (Tebow to HB).
then, they could have Flynn, Quinn, and Wynn..
The Vikings should sign Flynn, trade for Brady and bring back Spergon.
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That's an interesting spin.
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One positive: Old #10 Quinn jerseys could be easily converted to #10 Flynn jerseys.
Maybe that's a reason for the front office not to go that direction though. lol
the Broncos should sign Flynn, with Brady as backup and bring Spergon out of retirement to be QB3 (Tebow to HB).
then, they could have Flynn, Quinn, and Wynn..
The Vikings should sign Flynn, trade for Brady and bring back Spergon.
Flynn, Quinn, Wynn in Minn...
maybe Zigi can sell the team to George Shinn?
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That's an interesting spin.
But then again... can they win?
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Only if they hire The Chin..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Miami is likely in the driver's seat here, but if they like Moore or we decide to trump whatever offer they give this is good news: Quote:
Indianapolis - Though the NFL has not released exact figures on the 2012 salary cap limit, all indications are that the number will remain flat this year.
That means teams can expect the salary cap to be around $120 million again.
In the case of the Green Bay Packers, that's not all bad news.
According to a source with access to NFL salary information, the Packers have $113,356,169 dedicated to their '12 salary cap, leaving them roughly $7 million to deal with free agents like TE Jermichael Finley, C Scott Wells, RB Ryan Grant and CB Jarrett Bush.
That's not a bad position to be in given that the Packers have 63 players under contract. Only the top 51 count against the cap, a total which reaches roughly $110.9 million.
But the Packers also have $2,429,818 of so-called "dead" money or salary cap charges left over from players they released or traded after June 1 of last year. That figure vaults their obligation to $113.3 million.
For all those who think the Packers can put a franchise tag on QB Matt Flynn and then trade him, consider that the Packers would have to fit in the $14 million one-year tender by releasing players.
They also would need to have a deal in place with Finley so that he could not walk away an unrestricted free agent. So, to do the Flynn maneuver, they'd have to sign Finley (and the others) AND find a way to clear $10-$14 million off their cap.
It's not going to happen.
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sweet. I hope Washington or Miami signs him.
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sweet. I hope Washington or Miami signs him.
and I hope Washington trades up for RGIII 
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And I hope we sign Flynn AND draft RG3  I'm only half joking too... Until we FIX the QB position we ain't going far. This ONE position can make our team much better and much faster then trying to make all the other parts strong enough so that any shumck game manager can play QB for us.
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why not. if we get Flynn on a contract that has an opt-out after 2 years, then if he busts we can cut him. if he succeeds we can either trade RGIII or Flynn at that point (and probably get it wrong).
as long as RGIII falls to #4 (and I was only joking above, I like RGIII and if he's there at #4, I would like the Browns to take him. I'd just prefer to get Flynn+Blackmon or Kalil or Claiborne)
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And I hope we sign Flynn AND draft RG3 I'm only half joking too... Until we FIX the QB position we ain't going far. This ONE position can make our team much better and much faster then trying to make all the other parts strong enough so that any shumck game manager can play QB for us.
why not. if we get Flynn on a contract that has an opt-out after 2 years, then if he busts we can cut him. if he succeeds we can either trade RGIII or Flynn at that point (and probably get it wrong).
as long as RGIII falls to #4 (and I was only joking above, I like RGIII and if he's there at #4, I would like the Browns to take him. I'd just prefer to get Flynn+Blackmon or Kalil or Claiborne)
Why would Flynn sign that kind of deal if he has any other options? Seriously. A deal for Flynn is probably going to be a 5 year deal, worth $50-60 million, with $25-30 million guaranteed. (if not more) Someone will do that deal with him. He is going to be the starter for the team he signs with. he will be paid accordingly. Why would he take less if he can get more?
I would do the following in the draft .....
Luck if he is there is an absolute no brainer.
RG3 if Luck is gone is the next no brainer.
Claiborne is a nice consolation prize if the 2 QBs are gone. I would be greatly .... ticked .... though if we let another team jump ahead of us for some small price.
If those 3 players are gone, then I try desperately to trade down. Blackmon is a nice player, but I don't see him as an elite player. He's not an AJ Green type of gamechanger. He's not even Julio Jones. Drafting a RT at 4 is idiotic. 4 is almost certainly too high for Heckert to take a LB or DE.
Yeah, If Luck, RG3 and Claiborne are gone, and I can get value for the pick at that point, I grab it and run.
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I agree, to draft RG3 that high, you'd have to have no brain.
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I agree, to draft RG3 that high, you'd have to have no brain.
IMHO, if we pass, we have no brain.
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I agree, to draft RG3 that high, you'd have to have no brain.
IMHO, if we pass, we have no brain.
Oh, did I misunderstand what you meant?
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I agree, to draft RG3 that high, you'd have to have no brain.
IMHO, if we pass, we have no brain.
Oh, did I misunderstand what you meant?
Nah ..... you're just like stirring up trouble. 
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you misunderstood. I fully expect a Flynn deal to be in the neighborhood of $50mil/5yrs w/ $20mil guaranteed. Looking at recent deals for mid-level QBs that is the market.
However, if we do what AZ did with Kolb (frontload the guarantees or most of them), then we can dump him after 2 years if he busts.
I want that type of deal for Flynn w/ or w/o RGIII. But, if we have that type of deal and RGIII is there, then my point was why not draft him too? not ideal, but there's some merit to it.
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Blackmon is a nice player, but I don't see him as an elite player. He's not an AJ Green type of gamechanger. He's not even Julio Jones.
I couldn't agree less with that statement.
This coming from a self professed Draft Novice not more then a year ago or so ago or I'm I mistaken?
Could it be that your love for RG3 is clouding your judgment?
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Blackmon is a nice player, but I don't see him as an elite player. He's not an AJ Green type of gamechanger. He's not even Julio Jones.
I couldn't agree less with that statement.
This coming from a self professed Draft Novice not more then a year ago or so ago or I'm I mistaken?
Could it be that your love for RG3 is clouding your judgment?
I agree...
Blackmon is at the top of the WR class, the best wr in the draft.
The Browns are going to be in a good position if Blackmon is available...they can take him or they can deal the pick, like they did in the last draft. The WR position in the draft looks to be well stocked with good prospects and the Browns could trade down and still be in a position to land one of the top WRs.
...that said, I would not be disappointed if the Browns took Blackmon or the CB, Claiborne.
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Blackmon is a nice player, but I don't see him as an elite player. He's not an AJ Green type of gamechanger. He's not even Julio Jones.
I couldn't agree less with that statement.
This coming from a self professed Draft Novice not more then a year ago or so ago or I'm I mistaken?
Could it be that your love for RG3 is clouding your judgment?
It's an election year. It's not enough to endorse your candidate. You have to denegrate the competitors as well.
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Blackmon is a nice player, but I don't see him as an elite player. He's not an AJ Green type of gamechanger. He's not even Julio Jones.
I couldn't agree less with that statement.
This coming from a self professed Draft Novice not more then a year ago or so ago or I'm I mistaken?
Could it be that your love for RG3 is clouding your judgment?
It's an election year. It's not enough to endorse your candidate. You have to denegrate the competitors as well.
it would seem so.
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Blackmon is a nice player, but I don't see him as an elite player. He's not an AJ Green type of gamechanger. He's not even Julio Jones.
I couldn't agree less with that statement.
This coming from a self professed Draft Novice not more then a year ago or so ago or I'm I mistaken?
Could it be that your love for RG3 is clouding your judgment?
Blackmon is a very good player.
He's not Green though. Sorry, but he's not even close to that class of athlete. He is a very good receiver. I do not believe that he will be the game changer that Green is at the NFL level though. He is nowhere near as explosive a player as Green .... or even Jones. He will be a very good wide receiver in the NFL. I just don't think that he will be a "great" WR. I don't think that he will get separation like he does in college because he really doesn't have great speed. I don't think that he has the same ability Green has after the catch. I do think that he has good size, and should be a good red zone receiver. I don't think that he is worth the #4 overall.
Plus, a 1st round pick at WR is no guarantee of greatness.
Baldwin last year did very little. Thomas and Bryant from the year before haven't been the game changers they were reputed to be. Heyward-Bey finally had a solid season with 975 yards. Crabtree has disappointed overall. Maclin and Harvin have been good, but not spectacular. Nicks has probably been the best of the bunch, and Britt has disappointed. There were no receivers taken in 2008, and while 2007 gave the Lions Calvon Johnson ... one of the best ever ..... it also produced Ted Ginn Jr ...... Dwayne Bowe has been very good .... Robert Meachum who has been "a guy" ...... Craig davis (who?) and Gonzoles who has never been what was hoped for.
Man, there are a few real stars in there ... a bunch of "guys" .... and several flat out busts.
Plus, the guy I most commonly hear Blackmon compared to is Crabtree ..... and I want more than Crabtree at #4 overall.
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I don't think that he has the same ability Green has after the catch.
Let's just say we disagree here.
I think that the youngster has some very elite talents even if he is a different player and that his speed is well underrated. He has taken many short passes and taken them the distance for a TD out running supposedly faster DB's.
Come to think of it he has that in common with Green, who did not exactly wow anyone with his 40: times last year.
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Well, we'll see how he does when he gets to a pro team. I think he'll be one of those guys who will be an 800-900 yard guy ... with 4-7 TD catches per season. He'll be a weapon ... he'll be valuable ...... but he won't be an lite guy who puts up 1300 yard+ seasons with 10+ TD catches as is expected out of guys like Green and Jones down the road. As always, and just so some other people don't freak out ....... JMHO.
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Compared to Green I think Green has better go up and get the ball than Blackmon but Blackmon had better run after the catch ability. Guy is a beast with the ball.
I think Crabtree is his floor. Crabtree has talent but I believe he is hampered by the foot injury and his work ethic (or lack there of) and ego. TO his ceiling. More likely Blackmon ends up somewhere around Brandon Marshall with being a head case.
Also isn't he a 2 time Biletnikoff award winner? Meaning he beat out Green in 2010 for the the best Wr in college award.
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awards are often number based though and OkieState throws more than Georgia.
i agree that AJ was a better prospect and like your player comparisons. The other obvious middle ground is Anquan Boldin.
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Compared to Green I think Green has better go up and get the ball than Blackmon but Blackmon had better run after the catch ability. Guy is a beast with the ball.
I think Crabtree is his floor. Crabtree has talent but I believe he is hampered by the foot injury and his work ethic (or lack there of) and ego. TO his ceiling. More likely Blackmon ends up somewhere around Brandon Marshall with being a head case.
Also isn't he a 2 time Biletnikoff award winner? Meaning he beat out Green in 2010 for the the best Wr in college award.
I don't follow the Crabtree comparisons and I don't think that they are similar in any regard other then having good size... I never was that high on him anyways.
I think that Blackmon high points the ball very well and plays bigger then his 6'1" stature would lead you to believe ... I also think that if he were 6'4" we wouldn't be having this conversation too. (Folks would be comparing him to Andre Johnson)
Green ran in the 4.5's last year and that's probably where Blackmon will run, but like Green I think that he plays fast and to me that's more important then being a track phoneme.
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Well, we'll see how he does when he gets to a pro team.
I think he'll be one of those guys who will be an 800-900 yard guy ... with 4-7 TD catches per season. He'll be a weapon ... he'll be valuable ...... but he won't be an lite guy who puts up 1300 yard+ seasons with 10+ TD catches as is expected out of guys like Green and Jones down the road.
As always, and just so some other people don't freak out ....... JMHO.
But I am still waiting to see DQ bust 
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Hey, I have said that I was wrong on DQ. I'm never afraid to be wrong ...... an din fact, in a situation like that, I'd rather be wrong. (because the team is better)
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Hey, I have said that I was wrong on DQ. I'm never afraid to be wrong ...... an din fact, in a situation like that, I'd rather be wrong. (because the team is better)
And I know that you have ... Just poke'en fun at you YTown.
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