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There's a link on www.clevelandbrowns.com to watch it live.
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Hey I want that ball..but thats cool to Donovan..
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Thanks for the heads up,I thought it was later! 
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Did you see the smile on Holmgren's face after they asked him about Matt Flynn (indirectly)?
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but he had a smile and a twinkle like "yeah, we want that guy"
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I liked how he pretended he wasn't sure who the reporter was talking about, lol.
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It sounds to me like another year of Colt McCoy.
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It sounds to me like another year of Colt McCoy.
Because we should always believe everything that's being said in the silly season between the end of the season and the draft. 
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Just wait n see what they do when FA starts and right after the draft..they;'re not going to disclose what they intend to do.
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That's why I said "sounds like" and not "it is".
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This time of year, you know how to tell if a football man's lying? His lips will be moving. No way are they going to tell the world what they're working on. Of course the sporting press would go stark raving insane if they were dumb enough to spill the beans on their plans, so they'll just have to moan about being lied to instead.
I think they have a plan. Darned if I know what it is. It might even work. Or not.
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Heckert "We like our picks, we would like to add 9 good football players"
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Heckert said he'd like to use all our picks, not necessarily trade. So if Indy says they'll just take our 2 1sts this year, he won't trade.   
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Hey, now we know that Holmgren had little to do with the Favre trade.
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Really not telling us a lot of substance, which isn't surprising. Can't expect them to talk too much about FA and the draft.
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Really not telling us a lot of substance, which isn't surprising. Can't expect them to talk too much about FA and the draft.
No way they are gonna reveal much of anything right now.
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lol, after the presser, Holmgren said "off the record, would you guys be mad if we used our 4th pick on a defensive player? You guys talk about it."
lol, nothing like a little "I think he was joking, but wait, maybe he wasn't. Hmmm"
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lol at Holgrem last comment......"now this is off the record, but if with the 4th pick we take a defensive player will that upset you..? We take a great DE pass rusher or great LB, Will that upset you....?"
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Heckert "We like our picks, we would like to add 9 good football players"
And 2 years ago Holmgren tried to trade our entire draft + in order to get Bradford.
It's the time of year when the ......... "purposefully misleading inaccuracies" start flying.
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That was a nice thing to give Jim Donovan a season 'game ball' to start off the presser.
Holmy - Not ready to say Colt is the franchise QB, but thinks he 'can be or could be'. Likes a lot of what he saw, has not changed his mind on him either, 'still loves him', but 'loves all 3 QB's on the team'.
Competition will take place in TC for QB position as it does everywhere (position), but the 'decision' will be made prior to 3rd preseason game. Will probably bring a QB, but will do that every year, so could be a draft, a FA, or other.
TH - Its early to know who, for sure, will be available in FA or the draft at the QB position.
MH - Can't comment on Flynn, since he's still under contract, but what he did was 'pretty good'.
MH - Philosophy isn't to go for 'short-term' or 'quick-fixes' fixes, in signing an older vet, be it QB or any other position. 'Usually QB's go through what Colt is, they don't come in 'shooting lights out', they get better progressively.
MH - Fans are great, they should be upset, as are they (MH and staff). First year for big turnover in roster, new staff and changes on both sides of the ball in philosophy,
MH - Defense did a nice job, got gashed a couple of times in the run, but overall did good, made good strides. Other things happened that he hadn't seen, special teams especially.
MH - Still like our WR's, but needs upgraded, as does every offensive area.
TH - Likes the D should only get better, the O needs upgraded all over.
MH - Not going to talk specifics on if Peyton returns or not. Talked about injuries to each and how it was a position of strength but due to injuries it became a weakness, but Oby did a nice job when in there.
MH - Expects to be better next year, with 2nd year in each system on each side of ball, and the head coach, game mgmt, etc. Knows Shurmer 'is good, smart, and will do what he has to do, to make the overall process better'. If that means hiring a coordinator, then hire one, but 'get the guy you want', and if u can't 'then do it yourself'. They are going to look at hiring a OC this year, if that guy is there.
TH - Way early to say who they get at positions. They will get players they think can help and improve the team, when that time comes, if they can get them. They think he has enough talent to be a player for us, they think he will get better as well, talking about Colt.
MH - Pat isn't on a hot seat, nor will he be on it next year. No one is on a hot seat. "You don't get where you want to by blowing it up every two or three years'. '(Novel concept there, haha). 'We are going to stick to the path and keep building things the right way'.
MH - Pat is very open to hiring an OC, and MH likes that, but doesn't insist that it has to happen if they can't get the 'right guy'. He is a real 'honest guy', he cares, he is smart, and had to face things MH never had to as a coach, let alone a 1st year HC.
MH - Takes some time to get the offensive pieces to function properly. It took time for the QB, and the others, to get there. Said in the past the QB's he's coached 'all of a sudden' the light went on, but it was at different times in their work.
MH - Every place is different but took 5 years to get to SB in GB, 7 in Seattle, found QB in yr 1 in GB, but he still made a lot of mistakes early on, in Seattle found QB in year 3.
MH - Believe you build a team thru the draft, this is their 3rd draft with a lot of ammo that you can 'play around with, if you want to do that'. We have room to go after FA's
TH - We will go after FA's if we think they can help this team.
MH - Disappointed in our division games, despite not being able to score a lot of points. competitive in both cincy and pitt games, and 1 balt game, 'got us pretty good in the other one'. Thinks we made a lot of progress and we are not very far off. If we want to get to the playoffs we have to beat the division games, but we have closed the gap, next is turning it around to our advantage.
TH - The spread in college is something they have to deal with to translate those players game to the pro style, something they have to do when evaluating players, and something they have done and will continue to do.
Will pats 'progression' be graded on wins and losses after next season. MH - yes, everyone is judged on his record. Still committed to Pat, will see it thru.
Will the 'stature' of QB's in this division, Flacco, Rottenburger, be something that means you have to get someone like that. MH - In a perfect world sure you would get someone like that, but our guys are big enough to do the job, sure they may take a bit more punishment, but they can still get the job done.
Will we move up in the draft? We positioned ourselves to have these picks to fill in holes and use those picks. We need the picks to fill in the roster. Doesn't mean we won't move up, (TH - never say never about moving up), but we will use them to get better.
TH - We are sitting at four, will be tough to screw that up. (MH joked to 'write that down'.)
TH - With all the picks in first 2/3 rounds we expect to get more players that can help this team.
MH - Height is a consideration in QB, but that doesn't mean success, 'most guys have learned to play with that height, some haven't'. Doesn't mean it has to be a minimum height/weight. 'Our system allows for a guy not 6'4 240lbs to be successful'. Colt can do it, Senaca can do it as well. (TH pointed out that Rodgers is 6'2" and he is pretty good).
TH - We will address the offense, 'we have to'. If that's FA or draft we will do it.
TH - Brandon Jackson passed his physical, Steinbach is coming along and should be ready.
MH - Talked briefly about the medical staff and was told by NFL that their medical staff is 'good'. Implementing procedures to help them with someone in the box, giving them another set of eyes to help inform them of any issues.
TH - On going after a #1 receiver. We will look into it, but sometimes there isn't anyone available, but we will do what we need to do to get the best we can get. Wants 3 good receivers. Likes Little and thinks he will get better, knows he has to work on drops.
TH - Likes Hardesty as a player, the injuries 'are what they are'. RB's get hurt in this league. We know we need more than 1 back, but they all got hurt, gotta make sure we got enough guys and we will address that.
MH - Had hoped we would take a jump in the record up around 500, this season. Disappointed we didn't. Thinks we still made progress. Expects us to be better and we will be judged by our record.
MH - Everybody is too impatient. Some franchises stay the course, go thru rough patches, as long as you 'grow' you stay with them and you see them come back. Hates the term 'hot seat', but 'pressure' is always there to do better; catch the ball, block, etc. Pressure is on everyone, himself, Tom, Pat, players, etc.
MH - Loves the fans, they've been thru a lot, and they will hang in there for another year or two, but they are with us, they want to win now, as does MH, but they are great fans and he knows they will be rewarded. Believes we will get there in the end, and he looks forward to enjoying that time with the fans when that happens.
MH - Based on the games we were in this year, I thought we were closer to a 500 or better team. Our expectations are much higher than that tho. Won't predict won-loss record for next season, too soon, and probably won't at any time.
MH - Thanks the reporters, and fans, and thinks that things will get better. Lots of hope and good things to look forward to in the coming years.
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MH - asked 'off the record', no computers, no tweeting this, etc, after the presser had officially ended. MH asked "IF, if we take our 4th pick and take a defensive player, would that upset any of you"? Chuckles in the crowd, he said 'huh, a great pass rusher, defensive back, or Linebacker, defensive playmaker'? Then said, 'you guys talk about that', and the audio cut off there.
(To the last point, off the record one, wouldn't upset me, as long as it was a great player.)
These are my notes as the presser went. I'm sure there will be a transcript where you can get the specific words, or watch it yourself. I tried to paraphrase some and be as direct quoting as possible, and tried to keep my opinion out of it, maybe I did that in some and maybe not in others. Enjoy.
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lol, after the presser, Holmgren said "off the record, would you guys be mad if we used our 4th pick on a defensive player? You guys talk about it."
lol, nothing like a little "I think he was joking, but wait, maybe he wasn't. Hmmm"
Planting a seed out there..and also for any other teams listening in.
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lol, after the presser, Holmgren said "off the record, would you guys be mad if we used our 4th pick on a defensive player? You guys talk about it."
I can just read tomorrow's headlines:
"Holmgren considering defense with first pick in draft..."
"Browns taking possible defensive player..."
"Holmgren continues to ignore offense, mentions taking defensive player with first pick in upcoming draft."
"Akron Joe's predictions of a 4-12 record for next season reaches one thousand."
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Just clicking So,, for the record, what we know for sure is Nothing for sure. 
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You got it! And there are still some people on here who will feel that Heckert and Holmgren should have given us detailed plans on what the Browns will do moving forward.
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It sounds to me like another year of Colt McCoy.
Or not. He said they'd bring in another QB for a look. And that they'll probably always do that. Could be a draft pick, a FA, or a walk on from the California Penal League. I don't care as long as they keep looking.
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You got it! And there are still some people on here who will feel that Heckert and Holmgren should have given us detailed plans on what the Browns will do moving forward.
Ya know, I'm sure they'd like to tell the fans what they are doing.. I"m sure they'd like to tell them in detail. But by telling the fans, they've told the entire league.. Every GM, Coach, Owner would know.. So yeah, that wouldn't work to our advantage at all..
That's why I don't have a problem with them not laying it out step by step.
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Anyone else get a little rise to the neck-hair at Holmgren saying, repeatedly, that the fans will always be there... like it doesn't really matter what happens, we'll be ticked and we'll still be there.
Um, Mike... have you seen Cleveland Browns Stadium lately? Do you think it's going to be better past the opener next year unless you start hot? Do you think I'll just always accept being outnumbered by Steelers fans in my own stadium?
I love ya Mike, but it's time to "win" or get off the pot.
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MH - Every place is different but took 5 years to get to SB in GB, 7 in Seattle, found QB in yr 1 in GB, but he still made a lot of mistakes early on, in Seattle found QB in year 3.
sweet. so if we find out QB this offseason, we'll be in the Superbowl in the 2016 season (2017 superbowl)
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Furthemore - WE might always be there... but we're getting older, some are dying, some will die fairly soon. The base IS shrinking because their's roughly 20 years of fan loss with this franchise.
I'm 31... I'm kind of stuck. I may not always have season tickets - in fact I know I won't - but I'll probably always watch/listen to the team.
My brother's 20 and he's nothing like me. He goes to the games once in awhile with my dad or I but he's not a Browns nut and I don't blame him one bit for it. Few if any of his friends are like me and my friends - meaning Browns obsessed and the're not alone.
This franchise has a lot of worrying to do about the future of this fanbase and Holmgren doesn't need to come across like "they'll always be there".
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In the past I used to chime in and respond to virtually all the comments thats the FO made in their pressers...not doing it this time..wy?
Because i was generic..and I don't expect them to really come out and say much .They have yet to analize the team and the coaches and plan out out they want to aquire better talent,formalize a draft plan.
Soem things were said to pasify the media ,some things were indeed open and honest and some were just smoke.
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It sounds to me like another year of Colt McCoy.
It sounded that way. Everytime he is asked about the QB he talks about protecting the QB, Catching passes etc. This time he even went into route details..He talked about time it takes for the light Bulb to go on and said McCoy could be a very good QB in this league. He seemed genuine in laying out all the details of what went wrong, from being in a new system and lack of time they have been together. "less than a year". He also stated the RB issues.
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That is very true.
It's harder and harder for kids to take after their parents as far as being Browns fans when it is just one more thing to be laughed at about in school. It would be different if the team was competitive ...... but they aren't.
That was one thing that really ticked me off about Holmgren's presser. Oh, we were competitive. No, we got killed in a lot of games. The opposing team just didn't bother to risk injury by pulling the knife out and stabbing it in over and over again. They could tell that we were dead, and to do so would be like abuse of a corpse.
As far as the AFCN, we lost to the Bengals, last year, by 3 and by 2 points. We lost to the Ravens by 7 and by 10. We got beat pretty decently by the Steelers, losing by 18 and by a bundle when the team quit after it being reported that Mangini was gone after the game.
We had the advantage defensively in our final game of playing in what seemed like a hurricane. That helped keep the opposition down, as did the injuries they had. It was much like the game we won against the Steelers in Mangini's first year.
However, we were close in both Steelers games.
As far as other games, we weren't "competitive" in a lot of them. The scores weren't blowouts, but they weren't competitive games by any stretch. I know that part of this was "sell the tickets" front office-speak ...... but it was kinda insulting at the same time.
We will be competitive against our division when we get to .500 against them. "Almost" winning games means nothing at all. Wins are what matter. We better get some or the fan base, which is getting older, (especially in "middle ground towns" like Youngstown, will start dying off with no one to replace them.
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It sounded that way. Everytime he is asked about the QB he talks about protecting the QB, Catching passes etc. This time he even went into route details..He talked about time it takes for the light Bulb to go on and said McCoy could be a very good QB in this league. He seemed genuine in laying out all the details of what went wrong, from being in a new system and lack of time they have been together. "less than a year". He also stated the RB issues.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw/heard this during the press conference.
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It's certainly possible that he's laying the groundwork for keeping McCoy another year. It's equally possible that he's only stating facts (that QB wasn't our only problem this year). It's equally possible that he's throwing up smokescreen.
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a message for someone willing to trade up for RG3?
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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It's certainly possible that he's laying the groundwork for keeping McCoy another year. It's equally possible that he's only stating facts (that QB wasn't our only problem this year). It's equally possible that he's throwing up smokescreen.
JMHO
And it's a FACT that he wasn't going to let any media schmuck make him throw McCoy under the bus...
This one's not to u...
I'm SHOCKED he didn't say we're going to start discussing the #1 pick with Indy next week...
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And 2 years ago Holmgren tried to trade our entire draft + in order to get Bradford.
It's the time of year when the ......... "purposefully misleading inaccuracies" start flying.
Exactly. "We like our picks" is the only comment I'd expect to be given publicly so early in the process because ANY other comment destroys leverage. Can you imagine where the price/return on a trade up/down would go if he said stuff like: "We're willing to do whatever it takes to trade up for Andrew Luck" or "We'd love to move out of #4 because there really isn't anyone there who interests us" or even "We're definitely hoping to snag Luck/Griffin this year because we don't trust Colt"?
There are some pieces of pressers like this you can take away something from but in any area where there's an advantage to being secretive or talking up your current assets, expect to choke down some serious front office BS.
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I'd have loved it if Heckert said "boy, we really really really like RGIII at no. 4. Or maybe we don't."
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I'd have loved it if Heckert said "boy, we really really really like RGIII at no. 4. Or maybe we don't."
I know you're kidding ..........
But just so others who might not know do now know ........ we almost certainly would have lost a draft pick for tampering with an underclassman if they so much as talk about him other than to say "we aren't allowed to talk about underclassmen at this point." (Which they did say) 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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It sounded that way. Everytime he is asked about the QB he talks about protecting the QB, Catching passes etc. This time he even went into route details..He talked about time it takes for the light Bulb to go on and said McCoy could be a very good QB in this league. He seemed genuine in laying out all the details of what went wrong, from being in a new system and lack of time they have been together. "less than a year". He also stated the RB issues.
To play devil's advocate let's say you're looking to get either Luck or Griffin this year. If you say you don't have a high opinion of Colt right now and are looking into replacing him, that jacks the price up on Luck and makes people try to trade ahead of you for Griffin. You would have no leverage or even worse, if after those comments you still don't end up with one of those guys, now you have a starting QB with diminished confidence and an entire fanbase asking why you didn't dump a guy you didn't trust.
What Holmgren said is exactly what he needed to, whether we're keeping Colt or not. I really do think he loves Colt... but as a franchise QB instead of a solid backup? That we'll find out right before/during the draft when the smokescreen clears.
We're... we're good?
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