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You're right...brainfart on my part...Pats have the Raiders 2nd rounder not 1st....Eagles might be a good trading partner, sitting at 15 and holding 2 mid 2nd rounders and if they let Desean Jackson go in FA, they might be interested in Blackmon...possibly something like 15 + 46 (2nd) + 77 (3rd) + 99 (4th) for our 4, or next year's 2nd instead of the 3rd rounder this draft

again, if both QBs are gone or too expensive to get I really would look to trade down as I don't see the value in a WR in THIS class in the top 5...pretty much only guy I would take at 4 that isn't a QB is Claiborne...even with Haden on the roster, especially since the gap between Haden and the next best CB on our roster is significant...otoh, there are some nice no.2 CB options available in the 20 to 75 area, so if I can get 2 or more picks in that area I'd think about selling off Claiborne for more rebuilding picks, esp. if some future high draft picks are thrown in


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If I am staying at 4, it is between Richardson or Claiborne. I think they have potential for Canton. I like Blackmon but I gotta say, there are receivers I like just as good and I can get one of those in the 2nd.

I dont think we will have an issue of trading down. There are a number teams that would love to jump up to 4. We may not trade down to far though. I dont believe Heckert will be to comfortable trading behind Seattle, with Seattle running the WCO and looking for a QB.

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This draft can easily go Luck, RG3 and Claiborne 1,2,3...it would suck to be us being stuck at 4 then but I guess there would be someone looking to trade up for Kalil, right? but I'd really prefer to get 1 of Luck or RG3...RG3 without an uptrade is my best case scenario right now, plan B is to move up to 2 to secure him, plan C draft Claiborne...right now I'd be happy with all those 3....next best scenario is a trade down for another nice value of picks in this AND next year's draft....everything else I would be pretty much disappointed in


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This draft can easily go Luck, RG3 and Claiborne 1,2,3...it would suck to be us being stuck at 4 then but I guess there would be someone looking to trade up for Kalil, right? but I'd really prefer to get 1 of Luck or RG3...RG3 without an uptrade is my best case scenario right now, plan B is to move up to 2 to secure him, plan C draft Claiborne...right now I'd be happy with all those 3....next best scenario is a trade down for another nice value of picks in this AND next year's draft....everything else I would be pretty much disappointed in




You pretty much expressed *exactly* how I feel regarding this draft... assuming, of course, that Heckert feels RG3 can be the man. If he does, I don't think he gives RG3 a chance to even fall to us at 4 and just goes and gets him.

I still leave open the possibility that they just don't grade him that highly and are willing to pass on him (though I hope that not the case since I want a franchise QB badly... no other single position could help this team as much as that one.)

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My best-case scenario is Indy cuts Manning.
Washington signs Manning.
Miami signs Flynn.

Indy takes Luck.
St. Louis takes Blackmon after seeing Fitzgerald control games for years.
Minnesota takes Claiborne at 3 to start rebuilding their secondary.
Washington is in win-now mode with Manning and RBs make the biggest impact as rookies. They are afraid with Claiborne gone that TB will take Richardson. They trade #6 and next year's 2nd to us for #4.
Tampa looks for someone to trade down with, but doesn't like the value drop-off and takes Kalil.
We get Griffin at 6.

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This draft can easily go Luck, RG3 and Claiborne 1,2,3...it would suck to be us being stuck at 4 then but I guess there would be someone looking to trade up for Kalil, right? but I'd really prefer to get 1 of Luck or RG3...RG3 without an uptrade is my best case scenario right now, plan B is to move up to 2 to secure him, plan C draft Claiborne...right now I'd be happy with all those 3....next best scenario is a trade down for another nice value of picks in this AND next year's draft....everything else I would be pretty much disappointed in




You pretty much expressed *exactly* how I feel regarding this draft... assuming, of course, that Heckert feels RG3 can be the man. If he does, I don't think he gives RG3 a chance to even fall to us at 4 and just goes and gets him.

I still leave open the possibility that they just don't grade him that highly and are willing to pass on him (though I hope that not the case since I want a franchise QB badly... no other single position could help this team as much as that one.)




I think that would be an ideal situation for us and here is why...

First off, we have too many holes to fill to move up two spots to take RG3 and I don't see him falling to us...2 of these 3 players will be on the board when we pick: Kalil, Blackmon, and Claiborne.

Now, here is my thought process. I think H&H realize we could fill a lot of holes with this draft by trading down. If Blackmon is on the board, and we didn't take Julio at 6 last year, why would we take Blackmon at 4 this year...IMHO I think Julio is a much better player. Kalil might be one of the best LT prospects to come out since Joe Thomas, however, that is one position we do not need. Finally, it appears (from what I have read) that H&H believe Patterson can be a starting CB2 in this league and will compete with Brown (could and should move to safety) as well as Skrine (who I am a fan of) and Dockery. With the leadership and experience both Haden and Brown have gained throughout their career, I could possibly see H&H taking a chance on a CB in the later rounds like he did with Skrine.

Now, there is plenty of potential starting talent in this draft in areas of need for us in the first 3 rounds. I could see us receiving a ton of calls from teams all over the league to move up to #4. I wouldn't think that H&H would trade down as far as they did last year. I also don't see them trading for future draft picks unless it would be for a first rounder next year (trade up material to grab Barkley if Colt isn't the answer after this year). I could see us moving down into the mid-teens and picking up an extra 2nd and 3rd (most likely 4th). Then I could see us doing something like this:

1A - DE Ingram
1B - WE Wright
2A - RB Martin
2B - OG Osemele or Zeitler

That would fill de, wr, rb, og with all potential day 1 starters

We could then take:

3 - LB Spence
4A, 4B and 4C (from the trade) we could take OT Adcock, WR Adams, and CB Harris (If Haden and Brown keep him on the straight and narrow, could be a steal)
5 - SS Brandon Taylor out of LSU

That is potentially 2 more starters in Spence and Adcock and 3 playmakers added to our roster.

In free agency, I don't see us getting a top-tier weapon but I would try to throw some major $$$ at one potential upgrade starting position (WR would be my top priority in FA). I also think we can get one of the better OLmen in free agency due to the fact that they can work with and learn from Thomas, Steiny, and Mack. I could also see us signing maybe 1 or 2 role players to fill in depth at DT and LB (maybe TE).

Thoughts????

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I love that scenario but would imagine it's more likely that StL takes Kalil. still could happen even switching out those names though.


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Boy, Shanahan sure is trying to sound like he wants Griffin in the draft at his Senior Bowl press conferences.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/PressConferences/Jan24.php

Mike Shanahan, South Team Coach


• Players have adjusted well but still need to learn offense

• No 3-4 to be used in practices or moving around players to test 3-4 positions

• Moving some CBs to Safeties and vice versa in different situations

• Teams looking for speed, agility, knowing plays before they happen in LBs

• Feels NFL will adapt to new QBs that can run and pass

• Using prototypical QB scheme here

• Everyone wants a franchise QB; will evaluate these QBs

• Wouldn't talk about specific players; Didn't want to "BS us"


• Raved about Florida RB Chris Rainey who was at Press Conference

• Said Rainey picked up WR very quickly

• Promised that we would see Coples vs. Glenn tomorrow


http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/PressConferences/Jan25.php

Mike Shanahan, South Team Coach


• In a QB looks for "Very competitive, extremely bright, an athlete that can make plays on his own if he doesn’t have that athletic ability he’s got to be a little bit taller"

• Older players a bit more developed

• If played baseball, have to make sure they are passionate about football

• Great to see Brandon Weedens passion

• Wants to see if TEs can block under pressure

• Joked about Butch Davis getting great recruits and amaxed he could get so many good players at North Carolina, but said that is another story.

• Easily rule out guys who aren't passionate by coaching them here

• Cant tell accountability on tape

• Most guys hustling hard after every play and working hard

• Janoris Jenkins can bump, play off, and run. Tough guy

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Exhibit #1 in the argument to 'not' use the 4th selection on Claiborne and trade down if we are presented with that option and the QB or WR we might like have already been taken off the board.

Peterson and Claiborne made for a dynamic dual at CB for LSU, but I really liked the dual of Haden and Jenkins when at Florida and the possibility of having both of them play for the Browns ... Well it just gives me goose bumps to ponder the possibility.


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Jenkins is so OFF my board....I'd let somebody else have headaches with Pacman the 2nd...guy was arrested 3 times already and never changed...and that's before he got a 1st round money signing bonus, he's probably another tease contract player....no thank you


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Jenkins is so OFF my board....I'd let somebody else have headaches with Pacman the 2nd...guy was arrested 3 times already and never changed...and that's before he got a 1st round money signing bonus, he's probably another tease contract player....no thank you




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This has nothing to do with judging him as a person. This is about Jenkins being arrested three times at Florida. That's a huge chance for a team to take.

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The more I read about the Senior Bowl practices the more I really really want to take a RT with 22 or 37.

Adams, Glenn and Osmele all would fit the bill terrifically and it'd finish that position grouping off.

I think Adams would be the best of the group, especially from a pass pro perspective. But Osmele is really intriguing to me as he was a sufficient protector at Iowa State at LT and was a bull in the running game.

Can we please fix this position permanently this year?


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i would love to have that position locked up for the next 10 years.


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This has nothing to do with judging him as a person. This is about Jenkins being arrested three times at Florida. That's a huge chance for a team to take.




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It could be a bigger risk to pass on the kid for as well ... They where not felonies and if some folks/GM's can overlook the indiscretions of a rapist or murderer (witch I would not agree with), then how does his misdemeanors make a hill of beans on what kinda risk he would be to draft if he is an elite talent?

It doesn't mean that he is a bad person either and it's not for you or me to pass judgment, based on his recreational mistakes.

These are young people here and many of whom who never had the stability of a good home growing up, so I don't think that we should give up on some one who still can be a productive part of a team or a community.

But that's just my opinion. I know that our young people have not had the benefit of the mistakes that most of us adults have already learned and gained wisdom from.

Jenkins has already been punished and could have easily taken last year off of football, but chose not to and chose to take his lumps that I believe has already hurt his stock and cost him money in the up coming Draft ... He had a pretty good wake up call, but he should be given a chance to redeem himself.

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I've only seen the first two recordings of north practice on NFLN, which are of course, limited and edited poorly, but Osemele was a little disappointing. His body definitely looks more like a tackle than a guard, but man, there's no excuse for how easily he is beaten off the edge.

From the limited coverage I've seen so far, the most impressive linemen have been Ta'amu DT Was (which surprised me... I mean they gave up like 400 yards rushing to Baylor in the Bowl game... he wasn't that impressive in that game), Mike Adams OT OSU (really doing whatever he wanted), and the DE from Viginia Johnson. People have been saying the ripped DT from Michigan has been playing really well, but all he's doing is going straight up the field. It looks great in one-on-ones but in the 9 on 9s they were running (they weren't running 9 on 7s) he'd go straight upfield and the C would just redirect him out of the play. Zeitler's played well, but not been invincible as the reports I read were saying. Ta'amu really shows up when they go squad practices but wasn't dominating in the 1-on-1s. I know it's not popular to say around here but Mike Adams was definitely the cream of the crop when it came to North OL... at least in the coverage the NFLN showed Monday and Tuesday. I hope I'll get to catch up a little more tonight.

*edit* oh yeah, and the DT from UConn just kept winning in 1-on-1s. He wasn't on my radar... I was impressed. Not sure where he was supposed to go.

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National Football Post has a nice article about the Senior Bowl and the allowed defensive schemes etc. Click Here

The thing I wanted to point out is that they have a diagram of the route tree that we use in Cleveland.



It's as basic as it gets but if you don't know the route tree it'd behoove you to know it as it will give you a different perspective on the game during the game.

The WCO is predicated on exact standards as it comes to route running. It was one of the main problems we had this year and it's why I'd love to throw money at a top FA WR this season to mentor and show the way to Greg Little and the other young pups.

Now with the route tree in mind....take a look at the Cover 3 shown below which is a 3 deep 4 under zone shell.



Here's where things get interesting if you're the QB.

Presnap this coverage is pretty easy to diagnose because of the deep outside leverage of the CBs. You know that if you have a curl route called for your X or Z that that's going to be your primary read.

Greg Little was almost exclusively used as the X this year to simplify things for him in this offense. And he often ran the curls, digs and comebacks.

I think he can be pretty successful long term as our X.

The problem lies in that our Z (Mohammad Massaquoi) does not stretch the field allowing the FS in a Cover 3 to play flat.

We really need a guy that threatens the back end of the defense and there are quite a few draftees that can do that. There are also FAs that can do that and my favorite for this offense is Vincent Jackson. We'll see where we go with that.

On the defensive side notice the 4 under shell here.

The SS has the strongside under zone and the WILL linebacker has the weakside zone. This is very typical.

D'Qwell Jackson was made to play the WILL and I wore out my welcome preaching that he was misplaced as a 34ILB. Now that we're running a 43 I think DQ is too old to play the WILL as his speed is no longer the strength it was as a first year player. I think he's now more suited to the MIKE because of his experience and ability to diagnose plays. Moving him from his current position would be a mistake.

That's why we need to get a WILL drafted who can fly around the field and make tackles in space. LaVonte David is best suited IMO but there are other options as well.

Gocong was just a terrible fit as WILL but is a great fit as SAM.

If we fix the WILL in the draft I think you'll see significant improvement in our defense.


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I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a second chance. I'm saying he has proven he's a big risk, and there's no way I'm taking such a big risk on him if I'm the Browns. It's the same as a prospect having injury issues. Not passing judgment, just looking at the facts.

Held, I really like Mike Adams. He's easily my No. 2 offensive tackle in the draft, but I don't see him being available at 22. I hate Cordy Glenn, but I do love Kelechi Osemele.

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I think we can get better value than Adams at 22, one of those teams desperate for a LT will take him. Glenn could fall 37 but I could see Heckert taking him at 22. Osemele or however u spell it looks like a pure guard but he is going to be a really good guard. The most impressive kid at RT has been Swartz. Cant wait to see him go against the better pass rushers from the south.

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A Lavonte David mention....



Nebraska LB Lavonte David is a bit undersized. However, he’s a “plus” athlete who can turn and run down the field. He’s loose in the hips, diagnoses plays quickly and always puts himself around the football. In the run game he’s routinely getting early jumps on the actions and knows how to scrape the edge and break down into contact.

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i like how the route tree shows that the ball will be thrown into the flats no matter what routes are run


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My impression on David is he has great football instincts and goes balls to wall towards the football on every play. He is also better in coverage than expected. Another one of those terrific looking weakside backers.

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His strengths/weaknesses remind me of Dqwell's when he was drafted....I wouldn't mind a younger, healthier version of DQ for the WLB spot as early as 37 but like his value even more if we get him mid/late 2nd (uptrade, downtrade, added trade pick...whatever)


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I re-watched the Nebraska/OSU game (they replayed it on B1G network a week or so ago) to check out Dennard and David. David seemed washed out of the play by players in front of him a lot. He wasn't necessarily getting blocked by someone, but was getting lost behind the mass of players for the most part. He came up with the big strip of Braxton Miller that turned the game around, though. Also, the buckeyes stayed away from the edges for the most part... not sure how much of that was due to the nebraska corners and how much was just miller's comfort level at the time.

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i like how the route tree shows that the ball will be thrown into the flats no matter what routes are run





LMAO!! It really IS our offense!


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i like how the route tree shows that the ball will be thrown into the flats no matter what routes are run





LOL....that got a laugh.


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LOL....that got a laugh.




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I just heard Kirk Cousins on Vic Carucci's show and he sounded impressive. I looked him up on some draft boards and he projected to be a 3-4 rnd pick and possibly the 6th QB taken. A scout was on before Kirk and he said that Cousins had been impressive so far at the Senior Bowl. Cousins said that he was a 2 star recruit coming into college so he is used to being an underdog. Is he enough of an improvement over Colt to consider another 3rd rnd pick if the Browns decide not to draft one of the top 3 QBs in the early rounds or pick up a FA?

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So , like is that your final answer ?

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I'm lukewarm on him. Although I've seen interviews of his as well and the guy is impressive speaking.

I'm lukewarm on Colt too.

Let's just say I wouldn't be excited by the prospect of him running our offense in 2012.

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Browns' top brass scouting the Senior Bowl

Pat Shurmur and a posse of Browns assistant coaches are in Mobile, Ala., on the hunt for clues relating to their sweet stash of draft picks.

Funny thing about the Senior Bowl: It is, as the name implies, a scouting opportunity for seniors, and most of the top players in the draft are something else.

NFL Draft Scout’s updated top 10, and their 2011 college status:

• 1, Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, a redshirt junior.

• 2, USC tackle Matt Kalil, a redshirt junior.

• 3, Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, a redshirt junior.

• 4, LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, a true junior.

• 5, Alabama running back Trent Richardson, a true junior.

• 6, Oklahoma State wideout Justin Blackmon, a redshirt junior.

• 7, Penn State defensive tackle Devon Still, a fifth-year senior.

• 8, Iowa tackle Riley Reiff, a redshirt junior.

• 9, Stanford tackle Jonathan Martin, a redshirt junior.

• 10, Alabama cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, a true junior.

Shurmur and the Browns’ scouts will have to wait until the Combine in mid-February to talk to most of these guys.

Four 2011 Ohio State players are in Mobile for the Senior Bowl: Offensive linemen Mike Adams and Mike Brewster, running back Boom Herron and wide receiver DeVier Posey.

Posey is an intriguing prospect who was headed for possible All-America honors before getting caught up in a scandal that brought down the Jim Tressel regime. After serving a suspension, Posey barely played in 2011.

His situation is similar to that of Greg Little, on whom Browns GM Tom Heckert spent a Round 2 pick in 2011 despite the fact Little did not play in 2011. There is no guarantee the Browns will flesh out their wideout roster with a first-round pick, and Posey could be a later option.

DECISIONS, DECISIONS

The Browns retain the option of building a strong cast around Colt McCoy, but their preference seems to be finding a new starting quarterback.

Longtime NFL writer Len Pasquarelli, a veteran Pro Football Hall of Fame elector, talked to a scout who said the Browns are sold on neither Colt McCoy as the answer or Robert Griffin III as a worthy pick at No. 4 overall.

The NFL is buzzing over the possibility Griffin will fall as far as the Browns’ first pick or entice a team to trade up as high as No. 2. Perched at No. 4 and No. 22 for the first day of the annual talent roundup, the Browns are one of three teams with two first-round picks.

The Bengals own the No. 17 (via the Carson Palmer trade) and No. 21 picks. The Patriots are perched at No. 27 and No. 31 or No. 32, depending on whether they win the Super Bowl.

The Browns have the most trading power, given their No. 4 pick.

Recently, Heckert suggested the Browns have made an educated guess as to whether Griffin will fall to No. 4.

“We have hit lists of who we want to go after,” Heckert said. “We have a pretty good idea of what position is gonna be there.

“If we think there’s a certain position we can get at the fourth pick, we may not go there in free agency, or vice versa. If we think there’s not going to be a player there at the fourth pick at a position we need, we’ll go after him in free agency. You’re not exactly sure, so you kind of play it by ear.”

Free agency opens March 13.

While the Browns are well represented at the Senior Bowl, Shurmur, Heckert, President Mike Holmgren and owner Randy Lerner do not plan to attend the Super Bowl.

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Longtime NFL writer Len Pasquarelli, a veteran Pro Football Hall of Fame elector, talked to a scout who said the Browns are sold on neither Colt McCoy as the answer or Robert Griffin III as a worthy pick at No. 4 overall




ok good. now, wait 2 weeks and we'll leak out that we're interested in RGIII again. 2 weeks after that we are cold on him.


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Smoke and mirrors . . .

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The best situation for us is for teams to have no clue what we are doing.

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unless of course we have no clue what we are doing


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Which is why I am glad we have Tom Heckert. If nothing else, he seems like a guy who has a plan.

Last year that plan, it seems, was A.J. Green or trade down. The plan was executed brilliantly and we came out of the draft with at least five solid players (Taylor, Sheard, Little, Pinkston, Skrine), two guys who saw significant action their rookie seasons (Marecic and Hagg), and one guy who has unlimited potential (Cameron). We also came out with extra 1st and 4th round pick for the 2012 draft.

In 2010 it seemed like the plan was trade down. The deal wasn't right so we stayed at pick #7 and took the best player available (Joe Haden).

I am very confident in Heckert and interested in what his plan is this year.

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Recently, Heckert suggested the Browns have made an educated guess as to whether Griffin will fall to No. 4.




No doubt they also have taken into account that even the best laid plans are doomed to fail on Draft day.

You can't predict trades ... Especially this early in the process.

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“We have hit lists of who we want to go after,” Heckert said. “We have a pretty good idea of what position is gonna be there.

“If we think there’s a certain position we can get at the fourth pick, we may not go there in free agency, or vice versa.




I guess we will have to wait and see what direction we take when FA begins, to point to 1. What position(s) they think will be available and 2. What they think of that selection. We might not know the answers to those questions until after the Draft and baring trades, but we should get some indications by our actions in FA and the same can be said for the Rams, Vikings and or any other teams who might look to trade up.

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“We have hit lists of who we want to go after,” Heckert said. “We have a pretty good idea of what position is gonna be there.




Who's our hit man


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From Bleacher Report . . .

MOBILE, Ala. — The 2012 Senior Bowl practices are in the book, with scouts and coaches flocking here with notebooks full of thoughts and questions on this crop of potential NFL players.

Who stood out, potentially earning themselves millions? We open our notes and let you in on what each player did this week.

Players you'll recognize, like Kellen Moore and Russell Wilson, needed to show up big (pun intended) to prove their lack of height won't be an issue. Linebackers Courtney Upshaw and Melvin Ingram needed to show the goods to work in space. Find out if they succeeded.

QUARTERBACKS. . .

NORTH

Kirk Cousins: Cousins stood out among the shorter quarterbacks on the North roster. He has the arm, but can be robotic at times. Cousins looked scared to push the ball up the seam, choosing to check down instead. When rolling out, Cousins routinely threw off his back foot, resulting in fluttering passes and interceptions.

Kellen Moore: Moore looked like a seventh-grader at weigh-in, coming in at just 190 lbs. Moore has zero muscle definition and couldn't have picked up a weight during his four years at Boise State. Moore's poor technique was on display, but his lack of arm strength was more concerning. He doesn't put enough zip on the ball to get it there on time, and when it got windy outside, the ball couldn't cut through the breeze.

Russell Wilson: Wilson looked good this week. There were times when his ball placement was off, but that can be expected some with new combinations. What impressed me most was the zip and velocity Wilson throws with, even at 25-yard targets, but also his ability to see routes playing behind a tall line and with unfamiliar receivers. I'll be rewatching Wisconsin film this week.

SOUTH

Brandon Weeden: Weeden was among the most impressive players in Mobile. His command on the ball was impressive. He's big, strong and poised. Overall, Weeden is a great athlete and worthy of an early second-round grade, but he'll be 29 when the 2012 season begins and that's the major concern here.

Nick Foles: A big, strong thrower who does need to work on his feet. Foles has incredible potential and passes the eyeball test for sure, but those looking for a first-year starter may be disappointed with Foles' decision-making. Would like to see him read the defense better.

Ryan Lindley: Lindley was erratic this week, showing the arm strength that has made him appealing but also the lack of accuracy and placement that has scouts concerned. There's a major difference between Lindley in rhythm and him out of rhythm. Too often Lindley was taking the safe throws and one-hopping passes to the outside.

RUNNING BACKS . . .

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Bradie Ewing: One of the more impressive guys to interview, Ewing did a good job at fullback this week. He has some versatility, showing the quickness to effectively get to the edge to chip and seal. Ewing also looked good carrying the ball up the middle. In 1-on-1 drills, Ewing was the best blocker among the fullbacks in attendance.

Dan Herron: They call him Boom for a reason. Herron showed good burst and quickness. He's not much of a receiver, but Herron will make his money between the tackles. Herron needs to focus on reading his blocks better instead of trying to bust every run to the corner.

Doug Martin: Martin has looked very good, proving to be a legit Top 5 back. He's tough in the middle, able to flex out to the slot and pick up receptions and was showing speed on the edge. Add in that Martin was rocked up at weigh-ins and many NFL teams will walk away impressed.

Isaiah Pead: Pead came in small compared to the other backs on the North roster at 5'9" and 193 lbs, he looks even smaller. Pead has burst, but did a poor job running behind blockers and getting through traffic. Pead's ability as a return man was questioned, as he muffed several punts.

Chris Polk: My No. 1 back at the Senior Bowl, Polk didn't disappoint. Forget those saying he looked slow, these were practices and players weren't given chances to explode in to space. Polk's soft hands, vision and patience make him a top back. Add in his power and ability as a receiver and you have a true first round pick.

SOUTH

Chris Rainey: Small and explosive, but the comparisons to Percy Harvin are off base. Rainey looks like at best a third-down option, and more realistically a good returner who will need to be utilized in the right scheme to see his potential fulfilled.

Terrance Ganaway: Ganaway stood out among the South backs. He looks the part and is a good inside runner. His ability in one-on-one drills was impressive, as he's strong enough to take on tacklers and has the burst to make one man miss in the hole.

Vick Ballard: Ballard has the most raw talent of any back on the South roster, but he came up smaller than expected and didn't impress in either team or individual drills. Ballard has a lot of room to grow, but needs to respond to coaching quickly to make an impact in the NFL early on. He's trending down.

Alfred Morris: Morris' late add to the Senior Bowl by way of FAU didn't help his cause, with just one practice in before scouts left Mobile. The little that could be gleamed from Morris' limited time is that he's thick-bodied and should be able to make the transition to fullback in the NFL. He'll get work mostly as a blocking back in game play.

Lennon Creer: A late add, Creer is having another great week after winning the East-West Shrine MVP award. Creer is an exciting prospect who has good all-around ability. I was particularly impressed with his burst once through traffic. He has the ability to turn into a second-gear and take off. Creer's a player worth grinding on down the road.

Brad Smelley: One of my favorite players here, Smelley is a draft steal waiting to happen. He's a fullback, which will limit the teams looking at him, but Smelley brings value as a runner, blocker and receiver. He's a true three-tool threat at fullback and will be able to make an impact on all downs with his soft hands, strength between the tackles and impressive vision.

WIDE RECEIVERS . . .

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T.J. Graham: I didn't get much on Graham this week as more time was spent elsewhere, which means more time watching NC State film. Graham's size was notable, he measured in at just 5'11" and 182 lbs, but looks much smaller. He is agile and showed good ability to sink his hips and change direction. Graham was easily controlled off the line of scrimmage and projects best as a slot receiver.

Marvin Jones: Jones flashed good body control and quickness, especially in the 3-cone drill. His quick feet are balanced, and he shows good ability to sink his hips and change direction. The only knock on Jones is that he's very lean and could stand to add bulk to better protect himself at the next level.

Marvin McNutt: Not real fast and not very dynamic, but McNutt is a classic possession receiver. He looked very good on timing three-step routes and was hard to contain off the line. McNutt won't run past you or make acrobatic catches, but he's a very solid No. 2 receiver.

DeVier Posey: Posey was rusty coming off a long break, and it showed as he dropped some easy passes. He's still the most solid of the receivers on the squad, and that shows in how crisp his routes are and how well he extends to get the ball. It's a small thing, but Posey waits until the last second to reach for the ball. That's a veteran move.

Brian Quick: Quick took a bit to acclimate to the level of competition, but once he did it was impressive. He has the frame to stretch the field and was hard to control off the line. He's long too, which allowed him to eat up the cushion quickly. Quick looks like a classic "nine" receiver and displayed good hands and timing on back shoulder catches.

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Joe Adams: Adams was very impressive getting separation on short and intermediate routes. His ability to work off press coverage and then dig in to cut across field was a plus. Adams projects to the slot in the NFL.

Juron Criner: Criner needed to have a big week to answer critics. He did well, showing good ability to change direction and nice balance off the cut. He made a few spectacular catches when working back to the ball. Criner won't move up much, at least on my board, until he receives a clean bill of health at the Scouting Combine.

Patrick Edwards: Edwards is very small and worked best in the slot. He struggled against press coverage, but in individual drills he was impressive working against "off-man" coverage due to his quickness and ability to plant and go. Edwards was hurt on Thursday and pulled out.

Dwight Jones: Jones looked the best of any big receiver on the South roster. And he's definitely big. Jones is long, with good ability to extend and get the ball. He sinks his hips well for a big man and does a good job working back to the ball. His best route is a "nine", a straight vertical route, where his size and length are an asset. He can separate with speed and body.

Jeff Fuller: Fuller was thoroughly disappointing in every aspect outside the weigh-in. He's big, very big in fact, but he's slow out of his breaks and incredibly stiff in his hips. Add in the fact that he dropped more passes than any other receivers and Fuller will be lucky to be drafted in the first five rounds.

TIGHT ENDS . . .

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Michael Egnew: What should have been a very impressive week for the athletic tight end turned in to more of a boring disappointment. Egnew did very little to stand out in practice and was rarely exciting. He has the size and soft hands, but he lacks burst and quickness off the line. Egnew is not a blocker and should see his NFL potential limited to teams using the slot tight end position.

Emil Igwenagu: A fullback/tight end hybrid, Igwenagu was getting a hard look from Oakland Raider and Atlanta Falcons' scouts. He also played in the East-West Shrine game. The athleticism Igwenagu showed was better than expected, as I hadn't previously seen the flexible hips and quick feet in his routes and direction changes.

Brian Linthicum: The standout of the tight end position on the North, Linthicum impressed this week. He's tough over the middle and looked better in blocking drills than expected. The size is there for Linthicum to be a rookie starter at tight end.

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DeAngelo Peterson: Peterson is a player likely to be a better pro than collegiate. He was active getting the ball and looked solid coming off the line. Peterson looked very good chipping and then getting into space to make catches. He's a solid athlete who can work the seam.

Ladarius Green: Green looked more athletic this week than I saw on film. He was quick out of his cuts and did a nice job working in-line and out of the backfield. He's not a "slot tight end" like Jimmy Graham or Aaron Hernandez, but Green is a good athlete who has pluses in size, hands and foot speed. What he lacks is straight-line speed.

OFFENSIVE LINE . . .

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Mike Adams: Adams was big enough to impress in person. He's very tall and heavy without looking loose. While a bit of a waist-bender and a tad stiff, Adams has elite potential as a pass protector. As a run blocker, Adams was rusty and raw. He'll need work to improve leverage and drive off the ball.

Tony Bergstrom: A guard at the next level, Bergstrom didn't disappoint. A bit rusty when practices began early in the week, Bergstrom looked solid in one-on-one drills and was holding his own in pass protection. He needs technique development, but there's more potential here than previously seen.

Mike Brewster: Brewster had some issues with the center-snap exchange, notably with quarterback Russell Wilson. Impressive in one-on-one interviews, Brewster was intelligent and humorous. Watching him snap and shuffle, Brewster is quick enough to handle speed rushers. He doesn't look strong enough to handle nose tackles though.

Rishaw Johnson: A small-school guy from California (Pa), Johnson was quickly overmatched. Playing mostly at center after replacing Garth Gerhart, Johnson took longer than expected to get used to a new quarterback. His snaps were both high in shotgun and coming up short when under center.

Senio Kelemete: Playing both guard and tackle, Kelemete was impressive showing off the knee bend that scouts love so much. His versatility will be key to his draft stock, proving he can handle two positions equally well. His hand placement drew multiple plus signs in my notes.

Kelechi Osemele: The most powerful blocker on the North roster, Osemele was dominant at the point of attack. The best defensive linemen were being stonewalled when entering his zone. Osemele looks natural at guard and is quick enough to pull and trap. He looked good moving laterally.

Mitchell Schwartz: Long arms were the story here. Schwartz measured 33 1/8" long, very good for a tackle. He's a right tackle and showed good strength. Schwartz isn't much of a run blocker, but there is potential as a drive blocker. Currently he looks better walling off defenders.

Johnnie Troutman: Noted mostly for his interview with the somewhat local Kansas City Chiefs, Troutman didn't jump off the field at me. His play at guard was overshadowed by Kelemete, Osemele and Zeitler. Troutman's technique needs a ton of work.

Kevin Zeitler: Despite horrible attempts to play center, Zeitler is a guard. He's a mauler who has classic phone-booth technique: great inside, poor when asked to move. Zeitler looks like a right guard in a power scheme where his strength can dominate at the point of attack.

SOUTH

Cordy Glenn: Glenn may see a move to guard, and he did work at both this week. The first impression on Green is his massive size. He carries his weight well, but not as clean as others. Glenn did look stiff at times and slow to react, but loosened up as practices wore on. He's a natural athlete who I like best inside.

Jeff Allen: A surprising player, especially in one-on-one pass rushing drills. Allen is able to engage the defender and use leverage to create a stalwart. He was strong at the point of attack with good hand placement. Allen's probably a right tackle, but I like him there after what we saw this week.

Matt McCants: A local kid from UAB, McCants is a massive prospect at 6'7" and 310 lbs. He looks the part, but is otherwise very raw at tackle. He tried winning on athleticism but was quickly tossed around by Melvin Ingram and Courtney Upshaw. McCants looks like a major project.

Zebrie Sanders: Sanders' athletic ability and experience at left and right tackle helped out a lot this week. He is very natural and fluid, with a good kick-slide. I was impressed with Sanders' getting to the corner, where he was able to use his length to cut-off rushers. You'd like to see him lunge less, but the potential is there.

Will Blackwell: Blackwell has flashed at guard, quickly catching my attention early on. He's more stout than I expected from film study and used his size well to seal defenders. Blackwell held his own in individual drills and was looking good as a combo blocker.

Ben Jones: The best center seen this week, Jones' ball placement was superior when compared to the other snappers here. He is very quick off the ball and uses his size well to wall-off defenders. Driving guys off the ball isn't what Jones does best, but he's a good combo blocker and agile enough to run stretch plays.

James Brown: Brown flashed in one-on-one drills, surprising by holding his own and showing good footwork and slide ability. He's from Troy, so you worry about level of competition on film. This week was a good chance to see good athletic ability and developmental potential in Brown.

William Vlachos: Vlachos timing was good, but he didn't show up in individual drills. You always wonder if a player like this comes from a system instead of being a dominant player, and that's the line on Vlachos right now. He's an average technique who lacks athletic ability.

Philip Blake: The Baylor center struggled at times with under center snaps, something he did little of in college. Blake settled down by mid-week and was getting his snaps on time and deep enough for the quarterback. His first step was quick, as was his punch. Blake's worth taking a new look at.

DEFENSIVE ENDS . . .

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Jack Crawford: Playing mostly at left defensive end, Crawford didn't stand out among the North roster of players. He is tall and lean, looking the part, but he fires off too high and can be contained at the line. Crawford got lost at times in team drills when trying to locate the ball.

Vinny Curry: A move to outside linebacker is likely in a 34 scheme, as Curry flashed good speed and agility this week. He was quicker off the ball than expected and tracked the ball well. He's not great at taking on blockers and would be best served in space, where he can use his athletic ability to slip blockers.

Shea McClellin: The North coaches experimented with McClellin at both end and linebacker this week. He was much more comfortable at end, but lacks the bulk to be a factor on the edge. McClellin was lost in space, struggling to find the football behind the line.

Billy Winn: A likely 3-4 defensive end, Winn showed good speed and agility this week. He's quick off the ball and has the strength to hold his own. Winn isn't quick enough to be a rip and chase end, and he won't make many plays in the backfield, but he can win battles with the tackle when head-up.

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Melvin Ingram: Ingram looked very good playing right defensive end in the 40 scheme being utilized. He's strong at the point of attack and despite his lack of height, he has long enough arms to generate distance between himself and the blocker. He's also strong enough to shed and find the ball. I like Ingram more at defensive end than linebacker at this time. His quickness off the snap is a great attribute.

Courtney Upshaw: Upshaw played at both right defensive end and outside linebacker, and wasn't that impressive. He's a massive man and looks the part, but he struggled to disengage from blockers at times and didn't show a full complement of pass rushing moves. Upshaw is a solid all-around player who has a great motor. He'll impress in interviews.

Quinton Coples: Coples got a lot of attention this week. He is a big man, with the height and tone of an athlete at defensive end. From a distance he does look like Julius Peppers, even if a skinnier version. Up close, he doesn't at all. Coples is a finesse player who made just one "plus" play this week, where he used a solid swim and rip move to get free at the line. Coples did flash at times in individuals, but failed to show the same talent in team drills.

Jake Bequette: I heard Jake Bequette compared to Bill Romanowski many times this week, in a positive way. Bequette was lining up at times at SAM linebacker, working to jam and re-direct tight ends. He also worked at defensive end, showing he can set the edge against the run and cut off blocks. Bequette can be stiff in his hips, making him less likely to drop into coverage.

DEFENSIVE TACKLES . . .

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Mike Martin: Martin has an incredible motor and the best build of any defensive tackle. He's all muscle and will push for the Combine record of 49 reps on the bench press. He did very well, as expected, when playing in one-on-one drills, but why didn't Martin show up this well on game film? I'll be taking another look.

Kendall Reyes: Reyes was watched closely by teams who run a 3-4 defense, and smartly so. His build and ability to control tackles at the line will make him a top prospect in a five-technique situation. I would like to see Reyes play with more control and a better feel for when to plug the gap and when to get penetration. He's coachable though.

Alameda Ta'amu: A massive man, but one who doesn't play with the bulk or power of someone his size. Ta'amu was too easily pushed out of position by a solid combination block, but there were times when he dominated David Molk from Michigan off the snap.

Derek Wolfe: The Sunday add to the roster isn't very flashy, but a solid player nonetheless. Wolfe did a good job controlling blockers, showing he's strong enough to handle a two-gap responsibility. Here's a player who is ready right now to take on double teams.

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Tydreke Powell: Powell flashed as a pass rusher from the three-technique position during seven-on-seven drills, easily disposing of Baylor's Philip Blake on one play. Powell has talent, but his inconsistency showed up in Mobile. He would go from brilliant to invisible.

Kheeston Randall: Randall is an impressive athlete who rarely showed up big on film. Playing in a 40 set this week, mostly at three-technique, Randall stood out at times with his ability to work down the line and his speed off the ball. He needs to improve his hand use, but there is a lot of potential here.

Tony Jerod-Eddie: A good build and overall look, but it doesn't show up on the field. A circled and exclamation point filled note from Day 2 was when 175 lb running back Chris Rainey blocked Jerod-Eddie out of the play.

Jaye Howard: One of the better physiques at the weigh-in, Howard has good bulk and a clean build. I like Howard best as a 3-4 defensive end, and he did work there at times this week. Howard has a good bull rush and can get inside the tackle quickly.

Malik Jackson: A late add to the roster, Jackson will have to be viewed from game film only after his late arrival and then two days of walk-throughs. He has ability as a versatile end/tackle hybrid.

Brandon Thompson: Thompson didn't "wow" this week. In fact, I had very few notes on him in terms of positive plays. What you see is a good athlete who has one move off the ball, a punch and swim, and if that doesn't work he's done. Thompson is all about splitting the gaps, which makes him easy to pin in the run game.

LINEBACKERS . . .

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Audie Cole: Cole was built like a five-year veteran, showing good muscle tone and a huge chest. He was the most dominant of the North linebackers. Cole moved well laterally in drills, keeping his eyes up and legs clean. Cole isn't afraid to take on blockers and will throw himself in to blow up a hole.

Lavonte David: A great athlete, David is very small and it shows. Being just 6' and 225 lbs, David struggled to get off blocks and didn't have the strength to make impact and get clean to make tackles. He's also a poor tackler in space, going too high and failing to make solid contact.

Demario Davis: Davis had a good week, showing plus athletic ability and fluid athleticism. What bothers most was that he would get lost in traffic and slow down, instead of charging through blockers. Davis tries too often to slip a block, which takes him out of position.

Cam Johnson: A converted defensive end, Johnson told us he sees himself as a stand-up pass rusher in the NFL. This week's practices show a limited athlete who struggled to show the burst needed to be an effective edge rusher. Johnson would be best coming off the line, where he's able to beat tackles with quickness and leverage.

James-Michael Johnson: A very powerful player, JMJ was the best tackler of this group. When he makes contact, the runner will feel it. Did a good job reading the guards and stepping up to make tackles in the hole. JMJ wasn't making his plays behind where he started, but instead kept everything in front of him.

Bobby Wagner: Straight-line speed can be overrated, but Wagner's burst was impressive. A very good athlete, Wagner has the ability to play both inside and outside linebacker. He did show good ability to dip his shoulder and turn the corner as a pass rusher.

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Nigel Bradham: Bradham didn't impress as much as others on his roster, but he was very solid. He looked very good in the flats, making solid plays to come up and stuff the ball and also being quick enough to get outside and cover his zone.

Sean Spence: If Spence was 6'2" and 240 lbs we would be talking about a potential first-round player. But he's 5'11" and 225 lbs, looking more like a strong safety than a weak side linebacker. Spence attacks the ball and has very good vision, but his lack of size kills his ability to get off blocks.

Zach Brown: There were few players who stood out more than Brown this week. He played at WILL linebacker and was exceptional in space. He's a freak of an athlete and is a player who showed up big in pass coverage. Teams looking for an answer to the slot tight end position will love what Brown can do for them.

Keenan Robinson: Robinson was very valuable as a blitzer this week, re-affirming some of my early season notes on his athletic ability. He's not great reading-and-reacting, but he can be valuable off the edge. Robinson could play weak or strongside linebacker in a 4-3 defense. Needs to work on coming off blocks better.

Emmanuel Acho: Acho looked overmatched this week, failing to get through traffic and not showing the strength to disengage from blockers. Forget about Acho playing inside linebacker unless the defensive tackles in front of him are Pro Bowlers. He's a weakside 'backer with limited speed.

CORNERBACKS . . .

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Alfonzo Dennard: Dennard looked woeful before pulling out with an injury Wednesday. He had struggled to recover consistently, and that was his supposed strong suit coming in to this week. Dennard looked slow and even timid at times in contact.

Jamell Fleming: My top corner in Mobile, Fleming is rocked up. He's built like a safety, with broad shoulders and thick legs. Fleming is an aggressive player at the line, stepping up to hit the receiver instead of waiting for impact. Add in his recovery speed and a smooth back-pedal and Fleming is a first-rounder.

Donnie Fletcher: Fletcher struggled at times in man coverage, but there is no doubting he loves to hit. Fletcher was eager to come up and hit in simulated blocking drills, running through the receiver. Fletcher will be best in a system that lets him press and then sit in a soft zone.

Asa Jackson: The Cal-Poly product looked overmatched at times, but settled in as the week went on. Jackson is a bit undersized but showed good recovery speed. Don't expect Jackson to be a factor in press coverage.

Leonard Johnson: Johnson stood out in press coverage, showing no fear when asked to jam and recover. He looks like a great fit in Green Bay, where there is a premium on being able to hit and redirect the receiver. Johnson didn't flash great athletic ability, looking stiff when asked to flip his hips and explode.

Josh Norman: A late add from Coastal Carolina, Norman was added to the rosters after our scouts left town Wednesday.

SOUTH

Janoris Jenkins: Jenkins needed a good week to show that his year at North Alabama wouldn't result in rust against the best talent. Jenkins quickly shook off the rust and was impressive at the line. He's able to re-route receivers and has the quickness to jam and recover. Off-field issues aside, Jenkins looks like a Top 20 pick.

Brandon Boykins: Boykins was among the better man coverage cornerbacks here. He was quick off the ball and did a nice job using his hands to stay with the receiver. He's not a big corner and was beaten on a few deep balls, but Boykins

Ryan Steed: When you think about wingspan, positions like wide receiver and left tackle stand out. When a cornerback has a wingpsan of 78", it is worth noting. Steed is a physical freak, and he uses those long arms to mix it up at the line and to high-point the ball. There's room to teach Steed to be a very good player at the line.

Bill Bentley: Dwight "Bill" Bentley is officially a Senior Bowl Cinderella. Bentley can flat out run, showing impressive quicks off the ball and an ability to flip and run with any receiver here. Bentley's raw coming out of Louisiana-Lafayette, but you can see the raw athleticism and potential. He needs to clean up his leverage and technique, but Bentley is worth watching.

Casey Hayward: Hayward didn't have the name recognition of Janoris Jenkins, but boy can he play. Hayward stood out at reading the route and quickly coming up to make a play on the ball. Playing in an off-man coverage that allows for quick, short completions, Hayward was the best at planting and coming up to make a play on the ball.

DeQuan Menzie: An interesting prospect, Menzie was overshadowed at Alabama by junior Dre Kirkpatrick. On the plus side, Menzie has good man skills and can punch at the line to knock a receiver off the ball. What he doesn't show is a great ability to press and bail. He's stiff in the hips and lacks recovery speed.

SAFETIES . . .

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George Iloka: Iloka stands out first because of his size, but his range and ability to pop receivers was also notable. Iloka's 6'3" frame lets him reach every angle, and his long arms and thick frame make him a dangerous tackler in coverage. Iloka is a solid mid-round prospect.

D'Anton Lynn: A cornerback at Penn State, Lynn lined up at both safety spots in Mobile. He looked expectedly out of place but by week's end was showing an athleticism and willingness to be coached up at the position. Lynn looked better than most safeties in single coverage, due to his experience at cornerback.

Trenton Robinson: Robinson looked much smaller than the other safeties on the roster, and at just 5'9" and 195 lbs he doesn't have ideal size for today's bigger safety in the NFL. Robinson has some wiggle in his hips and can flip and run. He did get turned around easily and bit on too many outside moves.

Harrison Smith: Smith had a quiet week of practice but came away as one of the most impressive football players in the group. Smith is solid at finding the football and coming up in the run game. He's not overly fast, but Smith will be an impact on special teams immediately. He's a ball-hawk.

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Markelle Martin: My top free safety, on film Martin has the best range of any safety in this group. That range didn't show up consistently in Mobile, where instead Martin morphed into a big-hitter. If the range shown on film can be combined with this new head-hunter, Martin will be the class' top safety. I still like Martin a lot.

Brandon Taylor: Taylor delivered the hit of the week when he came up and laid the wood on Vick Ballard. The resounding noise was met with "OH's" among scouts. Taylor is a hitter, and he projects best at strong safety where he'll be able to sit back, read and then use his burst to come up and make plays.

Antonio Allen: Antonio Allen told us he compares best to Troy Polamalu. While that may be a high ceiling, the mentality is there. Allen is a ball-hawk with good range. He's a little longer and more lean than Polamalu, but he sees the ball well and is able to come up and make plays.

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Thanks for posting, 'Brown.

I'm surprised at the report on Coples. I'd seen him several times this year and no one guy could block him. He wasn't a gifted rusher, but he couldn't be moved.

I wonder if he's got the same issue that Jonathan Scott had several years ago. He was Vince Young's left tackle at Texas who I pimped a ton...until he got into the combine and workouts, where his lack of desire and work-ethic were exposed.

Gotta keep an eye on that with him going forward, as he may simply not love football enough to be great.


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