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As far as finding you the reputable scouting reports that mention this....What do you consider reputable? I would appreciate a good source to go to read...
Most people around here probably consider "reputable" the same as "I agree with his opinion so he must be good."
My opinion is that I take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt. The only ones that REALLY know all the ins and outs of the players are the NFL scouts and people that work in college football. It's not just production on the field that counts when you evaluate NFL prospects. How do they perform in practice? What are they like when you interview them? What is their overall personality characteristics. So many things factor into whether a player grows and succeeds in the NFL or if they just flounder. Most of the people outside the actual business have very little knowledge of a player when you look at the entire scope.
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IMO, RGIII's combine, pro day and private workouts may have more to do with how high he is picked in the draft than his most recent on field performances.
If there is a weakness in RGIII's game, it is more likely to be exposed in these workouts. For example, if a NFL team believes RGIII's accuracy is suspect, they are going to test his accuracy in those private workouts.
Last year, I believe Cam Newton had something like 8 private workouts scheduled...I would think RGIII will have at least that many.
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Diesle, just got a chance to read the post you put up about Houston's offense in 2007. Sorry, sometimes switching between my work computer and my phone I unintentionally skip over some posts. I didn't know that about Briles offense... kind of surprised they never mentioned that in any of the games I watched... maybe because they were mostly the second half of the season. It is something strange that they wouldn't have a playbook, and should be considered. Obviously, it's not an indictment of Griffin, but going to the NFL will be asking him to do something additional new that he apparently hasn't done before. Thanks for the story.
The comment about the "reputable scouting reports" was in response to the question of "how come every scouting report I've seen by a pro says these things about him." I'd never seen those comments outside this board, which is why I asked to see them.
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I feel like everytime a black QB comes out that is highly touted everyone goes "THERES A LOT OF RISK!"
 Race has absolutely nothing to do with it. Don't even go there. It has everything to do with his experience, the system he played in, the teams he played against, etc. There's plenty to like about RGIII, but there's just enough to question to cause one to pause when you're thinking about taking him at #4.
And what I am saying is there is risk for every single quarterback that comes out of college INCLUDING Andrew Luck.
And yes race does have a factor, just last year Cam Newton was extremely "risky" and was supposed to be a bust, now that he has proven doubters wrong, people say it "helps RG3's draft stock"... What, because they're both black? Don't tell me there isn't a race factor involved, because there is and always has been when it comes to the quarterback position.
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And what I am saying is there is risk for every single quarterback that comes out of college INCLUDING Andrew Luck.
And yes race does have a factor, just last year Cam Newton was extremely "risky" and was supposed to be a bust, now that he has proven doubters wrong, people say it "helps RG3's draft stock"... What, because they're both black? Don't tell me there isn't a race factor involved, because there is and always has been when it comes to the quarterback position.
Could it just be that Newton and RGIII have similar styles of play moreso than they are both black? No, because that would shoot down your point.
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And what I am saying is there is risk for every single quarterback that comes out of college INCLUDING Andrew Luck.
And yes race does have a factor, just last year Cam Newton was extremely "risky" and was supposed to be a bust, now that he has proven doubters wrong, people say it "helps RG3's draft stock"... What, because they're both black? Don't tell me there isn't a race factor involved, because there is and always has been when it comes to the quarterback position.
Could it just be that Newton and RGIII have similar styles of play moreso than they are both black? No, because that would shoot down your point.
So then based on the Cam Newton comparison RG3 should be one of the best QB's to ever come out of college and put up amazing numbers his first year and turn an abysmal offense into one of the best in the league... Leading to us taking him.
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So then based on the Cam Newton comparison RG3 should be one of the best QB's to ever come out of college and put up amazing numbers his first year and turn an abysmal offense into one of the best in the league... Leading to us taking him.
Read into things much? Apparently. The comparrison is between the two coming out of college and questions surrounding two QBs who are excellent runners coming from a spread offense. You want to turn it into race, go ahead, but that doesn't make it so. Where you got the crap you just spouted is beyond me.
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So then based on the Cam Newton comparison RG3 should be one of the best QB's to ever come out of college and put up amazing numbers his first year and turn an abysmal offense into one of the best in the league... Leading to us taking him.
Read into things much? Apparently. The comparrison is between the two coming out of college and questions surrounding two QBs who are excellent runners coming from a spread offense. You want to turn it into race, go ahead, but that doesn't make it so. Where you got the crap you just spouted is beyond me.
If you don't think that black quarterbacks are compared to other black quarterbacks on a regular basis then you are completely delusional. Most of the times the comparisons don't even make sense, I am not trying to make this a "race" issue, I am simply asking WHY RG3 is any riskier than most of the quarterbacks who have come out in the past and WHY he garners a comparison to Newton?
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While there may be some truth to that, I think that the fact that RG3 plays a style somewhat similar to Newton, with excellent athleticism to go with his ability to play QB, has a much larger part to play in any comparisons.
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Newton is built more like Tebow but throws more like RGIII.
RGIII throws more like Newton but is built more like Colt McCoy.
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j/c Is that anything like Hillis being compared to Riggins? 
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And yes race does have a factor, just last year Cam Newton was extremely "risky" and was supposed to be a bust, now that he has proven doubters wrong, people say it "helps RG3's draft stock"... What, because they're both black? Don't tell me there isn't a race factor involved, because there is and always has been when it comes to the quarterback position.
There absolutely is a race factor whether people want to admit it or not.. black QBs coming out of college are almost always compared to other black QBs.. when's the last time somebody saw a black QB coming out of college and said, "He's a lot like Tom Brady." It doesn't happen very often.. they are always a lot like Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham or Warren Moon and now Cam Newton... We've all seen it, take a black college QB and make a comment like "He's very similar to Michael Vick only he's not as fast but has better accuracy, pocket awareness and decision making." That's 4 of the biggest things that make a QB and he's not really like him in any... then about the only way he is like him is that he's not very tall and he's black. The description of this made up black QB sounds a lot like Drew Brees but nobody makes the comparison that way.
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no, no... he's fast, too. he's a running qb.
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And yes race does have a factor, just last year Cam Newton was extremely "risky" and was supposed to be a bust, now that he has proven doubters wrong, people say it "helps RG3's draft stock"... What, because they're both black? Don't tell me there isn't a race factor involved, because there is and always has been when it comes to the quarterback position.
There absolutely is a race factor whether people want to admit it or not.. black QBs coming out of college are almost always compared to other black QBs.. when's the last time somebody saw a black QB coming out of college and said, "He's a lot like Tom Brady." It doesn't happen very often.. they are always a lot like Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham or Warren Moon and now Cam Newton... We've all seen it, take a black college QB and make a comment like "He's very similar to Michael Vick only he's not as fast but has better accuracy, pocket awareness and decision making." That's 4 of the biggest things that make a QB and he's not really like him in any... then about the only way he is like him is that he's not very tall and he's black. The description of this made up black QB sounds a lot like Drew Brees but nobody makes the comparison that way.
That's true at any position though. Wes Welker comparisons? Peyton Hillis Comparisons?
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RG3 isn't like Brees... or any black QB.
There is literally no comparison for Griffin. He is short, accurate and has an above-average arm. However, he doesn't have great pocket presence and doesn't have elite ball placement. He's fast, but not overly elusive or explosive.
I can't think of a single current player that would serve as a good ocmparison.
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I can. At least it's the closest of any I can come up with.
Troy Smith.
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I can. At least it's the closest of any I can come up with.
Troy Smith.
Troy Smith wasn't projected as a top 5 pick for a reason, Griffin is.
PS once again a black quarterback comparison.
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I can. At least it's the closest of any I can come up with.
Troy Smith.
Troy Smith wasn't projected as a top 5 pick for a reason, Griffin is.
PS once again a black quarterback comparison.
Terelle Pryor?
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The first name that came to mind for me was Graham Harrell. Perhaps it was a similar offense ... maybe I just remember him setting records in an offense that had him looking lights out. Similar size (he's bigger now after being in the league -albeit on practice squads - for a few years) but still only 6'1/6'2 ans 215.
But to be fair ... I have never claimed to be good when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks ... way too tricky for me.
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The first name that came to mind for me was Graham Harrell. Perhaps it was a similar offense ... maybe I just remember him setting records in an offense that had him looking lights out. Similar size (he's bigger now after being in the league -albeit on practice squads - for a few years) but still only 6'1/6'2 ans 215.
But to be fair ... I have never claimed to be good when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks ... way too tricky for me.
Yes..Same offense. All those QBs that come out of Texas Tech and Houston and now Baylor(This was Briles first QB there since coming over from Houston). You can expect the same from the Next Baylor QB too. It's like Clockwork the way this offense Churns out Stats and QB's put up numbers. Graham Harrel, Kevin Kolb, Kingsbury, Keenum, etc. Yes he is quite an athlete though. I'm not taking anything away from the kid. I just look at the History behind Briles Texas Tech and Houston offenses and the QB. I'm weary as I think you will see some more of that as we get closer to draft.
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And yes race does have a factor, just last year Cam Newton was extremely "risky" and was supposed to be a bust, now that he has proven doubters wrong, people say it "helps RG3's draft stock"... What, because they're both black? Don't tell me there isn't a race factor involved, because there is and always has been when it comes to the quarterback position.
There absolutely is a race factor whether people want to admit it or not.. black QBs coming out of college are almost always compared to other black QBs.. when's the last time somebody saw a black QB coming out of college and said, "He's a lot like Tom Brady." It doesn't happen very often.. they are always a lot like Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham or Warren Moon and now Cam Newton... We've all seen it, take a black college QB and make a comment like "He's very similar to Michael Vick only he's not as fast but has better accuracy, pocket awareness and decision making." That's 4 of the biggest things that make a QB and he's not really like him in any... then about the only way he is like him is that he's not very tall and he's black. The description of this made up black QB sounds a lot like Drew Brees but nobody makes the comparison that way.
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I can. At least it's the closest of any I can come up with.
Troy Smith.
Stupid, lazy prediction.
Griffin has been/is/will be a better QB than Troy Smith. They also ran totally different systems.
Griffin this year still was better than anything Smith EVER was. Especially as a Junior.
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I can. At least it's the closest of any I can come up with.
Troy Smith.
Stupid, lazy prediction.
Griffin has been/is/will be a better QB than Troy Smith. They also ran totally different systems.
Griffin this year still was better than anything Smith EVER was. Especially as a Junior.
I think he meant Akili Smith. Troy Smith ran a pro system and Griffin runs..well a QB Friendly system. But Yes Akili Smith might be closer to compare numbers wise for the most part and a "Passing QB who can run"..
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Troy Smith.
Stupid, lazy prediction.
Griffin has been/is/will be a better QB than Troy Smith. They also ran totally different systems.
Griffin this year still was better than anything Smith EVER was. Especially as a Junior.
I think he meant Akili Smith. Troy Smith ran a pro system and Griffin runs..well a QB Friendly system. But Yes Akili Smith might be closer to compare numbers wise for the most part and a "Passing QB who can run"..
Once again, Smith never came close to the amount of completions, starts, yards, or touchdowns as RG3.
Keep trying.
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Stupid, lazy prediction.
Griffin has been/is/will be a better QB than Troy Smith. They also ran totally different systems.
Griffin this year still was better than anything Smith EVER was. Especially as a Junior.
I think he meant Akili Smith. Troy Smith ran a pro system and Griffin runs..well a QB Friendly system. But Yes Akili Smith might be closer to compare numbers wise for the most part and a "Passing QB who can run"..
Once again, Smith never came close to the amount of completions, starts, yards, or touchdowns as RG3.
Keep trying.
Case Keenum he's white though
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Good One too!  All sorts of choices here. Keenum did better in every statistical category and amazingly in the same system. And he torched a Penn State D ranked 4th in the country(I believe) during his bowl win. 532 yards and 3 TDs with no picks..The same reason Keenum will not go high in this draft are the same reason Griffin should be on Buyer Beware. The system is a free for all joke that doesn't get run in the pros. It doesn't prepare them for the next level in any way. No Playbook, Usually the first read, don't have to read a defense, so many reasons. Watch any tape of the guy..watch him stare at his receivers the whole time. The few times they aren't open he will pull it down and run. Very rarely does he keep his eyes down field after the first read. The Quick strike offense is just that..Mountain West Football in the Big 12. But if that doesn't bother you then you should seriously consider pumping Keenum for our first pick because based on numbers and what they did for their teams and being in the same offense he was by far the superior player.
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Not only that, but Smith only had 11 college starts, and was under 60% for his college career.
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Troy Smith wasn't projected as a top 5 pick for a reason, Griffin is.
PS once again a black quarterback comparison.
Terelle Pryor?
Terelle Pryor wasn't projected as a top pick either, not sure if serious.
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I was kidding Cleveland Steve. Terelle Pryor never got projected right? He was planning on returning for his senior year and had to enter the Supplemental draft after that fell through. I wonder where he would have been projected. I was never a big fan of Pryor.
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RG3 isn't like Brees... or any black QB.
There is literally no comparison for Griffin. He is short, accurate and has an above-average arm. However, he doesn't have great pocket presence and doesn't have elite ball placement. He's fast, but not overly elusive or explosive.
I can't think of a single current player that would serve as a good ocmparison.
The closest really is Vick.
Both are short. Both have plus arms. Both are fast. However, one of my biggest concerns is that while they are both very fast, neither one of them knows how to avoid taking big hits. To that end, it's easy to predict that, like Vick, Griffin will miss time due to injuries because of that deficiency.
In an imaginary draft where the weighted scale doesn't slide because an individual plays QB, Griffin would go lower than top-5. He has warts. However, that isn't reality, so there's a real chance he's gone by the time we pick.
And I'd be OK with that.
I like Griffin. I think he'd be an exciting player to watch as a Brown. Yet because I believe he's going to miss more time than your typical QB, and because I think there are much safer players there when we pick, I'm not going to profess the missed opportunity if we don't end up with him.
Hell, to be honest, if he were there when we picked and we made a deal with another team for him, I'd probably not bat an eye. Of course there aren't that many teams looking for QB's this year, so the market is kinda down, and as many have guessed, a team like the Dolphins or Redskins could easily swing a decent deal with the Rams or Vikings.
So many things can happen with RG3. He's as likely to be a Brown as he is a Dolphins or a Redskin next season.
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I think we can risk it.. i mean in the past 2 or 3 years.. all of our QB's have missed time at some point..
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