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Terry Pluto's Talkin' ... about the Browns' offensive line, the No. 4 draft pick decision January 15, 2012 Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- On a white mid-January Sunday, we're talkin' ... About the Browns' offensive line ... 1. The Browns had three offensive linemen who didn't miss a single play in 2011: Alex Mack, Joe Thomas and Jason Pinkston. Thomas and Mack have never missed a snap in their pro careers. The same can be said of Pinkston, a rookie. Guard Shaun Lauvao played 95 percent of the snaps in 2011. So other than the season-ending back injury to Eric Steinbach in training camp, the line was very healthy. 2. What about Tony Pashos? That he battles injuries is news only to those who don't pay attention. He missed 11 games in 2009, 10 in 2010. It's a bonus that he missed only four games in 2011 and played 73 percent of the snaps. 3. Suppose Steinbach comes back from back surgery and is healthy for 2012. He can take over left guard, where he played every snap from 2007-10 for the Browns. That would allow Lauvao and Pinkston to duel for right guard. But they still need a right tackle. You can make the case that Pinkston can play right tackle -- he was a left tackle at Pitt. I make the case that they need a big-time right tackle, be it from the draft or free agency. 4. Offensive linemen are like starting pitchers. You think you need only five, but you better have seven capable of playing reasonably well because these guys get hurt. There was nothing about Pinkston that made me believe he should be given the right tackle spot. He was a fifth-round draft choice who was supposed to be worked into the NFL, not start immediately. But injuries and a lack of depth forced that. 5. According to STATS Inc., the offensive line ranked 18th in protecting the quarterback. They use a complicated formula going far beyond sacks. The Browns raised their ranking in the last five games, which indicated the young line was improving. 6. The most recent time the Browns had a good offense was 2007. Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow all had career seasons. Jamal Lewis shocked the NFL by running for 1,304 yards when most evaluators believed he was washed up. The Browns were 10-6. 7. Something rarely discussed about 2007 was the emphasis GM Phil Savage placed on the offensive line. Savage selected Thomas with the No. 3 pick. He signed Kevin Shaffer and Steinbach as free agents. They also had veterans Hank Fraley, Seth McKinney and Ryan Tucker. They allowed only 19 sacks and opened big holes. Tucker couldn't stay healthy. Shaffer faded. But the point of a frontal assault to upgrade the line is a worthy approach for 2012. 8. It's hard to measure linemen with stats. I use two services for sack totals -- STATS Inc. and Profootballfocus.com. Here are the sacks-allowed totals -- STATS Inc is the first number: Pashos (9.0, 7.0), Thomas (3.5, 3.0), Mack (2.0, 4.0), Pinkston (1.0, 1.0), Lauvao (4.5, 6.0). 9. This reveals what most fans saw -- the right side with Pashos and Lauvao had problems. Lauvao also was flagged for a team-high 11 penalties. You can safely say Lauvao and Pashos allowed at least 15 sacks, or about 40 percent of the team's total. 10. I wasn't able to get "Quarterback Hits Allowed" from STATS Inc., but I did from Profootballfocus. Pinkston led the Browns with 10. No one else had more than three. So Pinkston's sack total of 1.0 is deceiving. He didn't allow sacks, but he did permit the quarterback to get beat up. He played like a fifth-round rookie tackle who was thrown into starting the season opener at guard. 11. Assigning sacks to certain players is subjective unless you know the blocking schemes. That's why the two services differ. STATS only makes available sacks allowed by linemen. So it has the Browns allowing 39 sacks, but only 20 are accounted for. Profootballfocus has the Browns with 33 sacks allowed. In addition to the linemen, they assigned 4.0 sacks allowed to running back Chris Ogbonnaya, 2.0 to fullback Owen Marecic and 1.0 to tight end Evan Moore. PFF says QB Colt McCoy ran into 3.0 sacks, while Seneca Wallace did it once. Running backs Peyton Hillis and Montario Hardesty each allowed one sack. 12. Hard to believe, but neither service had backup right tackles Oniel Cousins and Artis Hicks allowing a sack -- both seemed to be pushed around. NFL.com has the Browns allowing 83 quarterback hits, No. 8 in the league. Bottom line: The No. 4 pick should be reserved for a big-time offensive playmaker. But a right tackle should be considered for any other pick. That's especially true when you consider Browns ranked last in rushing touchdowns and 31st (3.7 yards per carry) in running the football. About Trent Richardson ... I'll start with a confession: I'll probably change my mind about the No. 4 pick about 10 times before the April 26 draft. But right now, I would not take the Alabama running back ... or any running back at No. 4. It seems there are running backs available in free agency or lower in the draft who can be plugged in and rush for 1,000 yards. The Browns did it twice in trades with Denver -- for Reuben Droughns and Hillis. And they do plan to at least talk to Hillis' agent in the near future. After writing so much about the offensive line, part of me is tempted to pick Southern Cal's Matt Kalil -- if he's available. He is the Joe Thomas of this draft. Plug him at right tackle, with Thomas on the left side and Mack in the middle -- and that line could be superb for a long time. But the Browns need playmakers. I know, Robert Griffin III. This is not a knock on RGIII, but I don't see him fitting into the Browns' offense -- and I don't see them making major adjustments as Carolina did for Cam Newton and Denver did for Tim Tebow. Could be totally wrong, but I'd be shocked if they picked him. My favorite is Justin Blackmon, the outstanding receiver from Oklahoma State. Suppose that RGIII falls to the Browns. Suppose the Redskins desperately want to trade for him. Suppose the Browns could trade down just a few spots, and still grab Blackmon, Kalil or another big-time player -- and add a second-rounder. I'd think about it ... real hard. web page
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Suppose that RGIII falls to the Browns. Suppose the Redskins desperately want to trade for him. Suppose the Browns could trade down just a few spots, and still grab Blackmon, Kalil or another big-time player -- and add a second-rounder.
I'd think about it ... real hard.
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I'd be up for this. There will still be good talent at the beginning of the 2nd round...
Vinny Curry, Chase Minnifield, Mike Adams, and even Burfict could fall just as Mauluga did a few years back..
I would prefer to have Blackmon over Kalil though.
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Trade down and still get Blockmann or Kalili? I'm perfectly fine with that.... IF they think that Colt has the chance to be our QB for the next several years and they don't think RG3 is...
I wouldn't be surprised to see Kalili go very high though.
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You can safely say Lauvao and Pashos allowed at least 15 sacks, or about 40 percent of the team's total.
And as Lauvao and Pashos constitute 40% of the offensive line (2 out 5), I can safely say I don't think this point doesn't amount to much.
Don't get me wrong ... we need to do somerthing about the right side of the line. And soon. But as a math guy, his above logic humored me.
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Lots of fun things to talk about in that article,, But this kinda stood out for me. Quote:
6. The most recent time the Browns had a good offense was 2007. Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow all had career seasons. Jamal Lewis shocked the NFL by running for 1,304 yards when most evaluators believed he was washed up. The Browns were 10-6.
The line played well, Anderson, Edwards and Winslow had career years and Lewis at 1300 yards rushing.
We all know now without any doubt, that Anderson wasn't all that and a bag of chips. Defnatly not an elite QB...
Edwards is, for now, out of the NFL (I do expect that someone will pick him up next season), Winslow has had decent years since that year,,, but nothing quite like that year.. And Lewis is out of football as well.
But together,, they screamed.. they made people pull thier hair out.
Proving yet again, you don't NEED an elite anything (although it's nice),, you just needs parts that pull together...
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The STATS total for sacks allowed by the offensive line is 20; 13.5 of which were allowed by Pashos and Lauvao, which is 70.5%. The Pro Football Focus total for sacks allowed by the offensive line is 21; 13 of which were allowed by Pashos and Lauvao, which is 63%. Split the diff, and figure that 2 out of every 3 sacks (67%) allowed by the O-Line were attributed to 40% of the O-Linemen - which is a red flag. The team total for sacks allowed includes TE, FB, and RB's.
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To me,a person who was just plumb evaded by the multipication tables,your math skills leave me envious.
But,there is only one stat sheet that can acurately be used to measure o-linemen,the coaches grade sheet. All others are speculative.
I have been complimentary on the run blocking of the young guards,thier pass pro hasn't been as good.I will atribute that to youth and the inexperience that goes with it.Forget this talk about moving Pinkston,get a good,young RT in here,we'll be set for years.
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Suppose the Browns could trade down just a few spots, and still grab Blackmon, Kalil
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12. Hard to believe, but neither service had backup right tackles Oniel Cousins and Artis Hicks allowing a sack -- both seemed to be pushed around.
That might be a good clue that these stats are not very accurate and also not official.
I find it real hard to believe that Pinkston was only credited with 1 sack given up.
I thought that the OL took it's lumps early on, but improved after the 1st half of the season. We need to fix that RT position once and for all though. I would prefer that we draft a guy that would hopefully be a long term solution there, unless we can pick up a younger RT in FA.
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Pipe dream
My thoughts exactly. More likely neither are there at four than one of them is available at 6.
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I can see Blackmon being there but not Kalil.
I wouldn't be surprised if Blackmon was drafted in the mid-teens.
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I can see Blackmon being there but not Kalil.
I wouldn't be surprised if Blackmon was drafted in the mid-teens.
 
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As the best receiver in the class I see Blackmon in the 5-10 region, but a lot depends on his 40...
If he runs in the late 4.5s (which isn't out of the question), the mid teens could be reasonable. Both Crabtree and Mike Williams were seen as top-3 guys around now, and both slipped to ten based on bad 40s..... the fact that neither have blown up the league afterwards will confirm how much a bad 40 could hurt a guy like Blackmon.
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I agree.
He may be the best in the draft, but that doesn't mean you select him at #4.
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As the best receiver in the class I see Blackmon in the 5-10 region, but a lot depends on his 40...
If he runs in the late 4.5s (which isn't out of the question), the mid teens could be reasonable. Both Crabtree and Mike Williams were seen as top-3 guys around now, and both slipped to ten based on bad 40s..... the fact that neither have blown up the league afterwards will confirm how much a bad 40 could hurt a guy like Blackmon.
I don't agree ... Most scouts put more weight on their evaluation on film study and how a player interviews, then any 40 time will, unless he absolutely performs poorly, I don't see it affecting his draft position.
I never thought as highly of Crabtree and especially not with Williams when they where prospects.
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First I don't need website to stell me what I eyes already saw..Pinkston struggled at first ,then settled down..But Lava and Paschos struggled all year...Dude is injury prone and inmoble..will easily get burned if he faces a athletic DE ..taking Kalil at 4 and making him a RT is simply..a waste of a high draft pick.
And I don't care what any writer says,if Griffith is there at 4 and anyone calls ,I'm saying buh-bye..
Browns haven't had a playmaker at QB since the return ,why would U give that up now when U need one?
Shortsighted way of thinking.
Dude can make all the throws and is smart,so why can't he runa WCO offense ?
Only way I want the Browns to move back is if Griff is gone..I like Blackmon so I have no issue with him..he plays big and makes the catches..
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First I don't need website to stell me what I eyes already saw..Pinkston struggled at first ,then settled down..But Lava and Paschos struggled all year...Dude is injury prone and inmoble..will easily get burned if he faces a athletic DE ..taking Kalil at 4 and making him a RT is simply..a waste of a high draft pick.
And I don't care what any writer says,if Griffith is there at 4 and anyone calls ,I'm saying buh-bye..
Browns haven't had a playmaker at QB since the return ,why would U give that up now when U need one?
Shortsighted way of thinking.
Dude can make all the throws and is smart,so why can't he runa WCO offense ?
Only way I want the Browns to move back is if Griff is gone..I like Blackmon so I have no issue with him..he plays big and makes the catches..
We need play-makers, so I'm not in favor of trading down from 4 if there are those types of prospects available.
Last year was last year and my top two prospects (Green and Peterson) where off the board and baring we don't screw up our 22nd selection, then I still favor the trade, then what we might have got if we stayed at 6.
And also because I hope we are not drafting in the top 5 again next year.
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Shortsighted way of thinking.
Dude can make all the throws and is smart,so why can't he runa WCO offense ?
They have tried that rout twice in 10 years picking a first round QB and both those guys were "Smart" too. So acting like this is the last chance or the best opportunity to do so is only relative to this year, so yes it is shortsighted. Next year I would take the first 4 QB's over Griffin of this year. He is book smart which has absolutely nothing to do with reading a defense or learning a Playbook or going through progressions which none of the above he had to do at Baylor under Briles. Couple that with the fact that his Mechanics are shoddy never took a snap under cenetr ran a option based offense which quite frankly is a gimmick free for offense that every single QB that has played in it under Briles at Houston or while at Texas Tech when Leach was Head Coach and he was OC has put up the same numbers or better. Griffin would be the worst pick for this franchise in a long long time especially at the point where we are at and the team he would come to. JMO but take a look at the facts and the history. Look at his film as he stares down his receivers. If the first option isn't open he runs and half the time doesn't keep his eyes down field..I honestly don't see the Browns even considering him.
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I think he is a huge risk. He is exciting and fun to watch and hell he could end up going #1, but I would not do it. I can understand why teams and many around here want this kid but I am truly leery due to size, scheme, mechanics and most importantly durability. If we take him, I just hope I am wrong but I will be cheering for him every Sunday.
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When I read him say that RG3 stares down his receivers, and doesn't keep his eyes down the field when pressured (which is about every down) and I know that the poster has either never watched RG3 play, or has no idea how to evaluate players. 
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When I read him say that RG3 stares down his receivers, and doesn't keep his eyes down the field when pressured (which is about every down) and I know that the poster has either never watched RG3 play, or has no idea how to evaluate players.
Yeah..I have watched him play and you can look anything up I said regarding QB's under him or anything..But coming from a poster that called Burfict a 4th round project I can't take anything you say serious.
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I never was much of one to complain about a QB starring down his receivers lol. How else is he gonna hit him without looking at him? Aaron Rodgers stares down his receivers probably more than anyone in football and seems to do pretty well for himself. Follow 1, progress to 2 and on to 3 and checkdown if needed.
Now if you see a guy that just continues to follow 1, then he isnt going through his progressions and you have a problem.
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I don't think that I have ever assigned a round value to Burfict. I said that I would not want him on my team because he is a walking personal foul. Can you please show me where I said that he was a 4th rounder? RG3 makes most of his plays on the run because his line sucks. Obviously, since he sompletes 70+% of his passes, he much keep his eyes down the field when pressured. He also throws one of the nicest deep balls in this draft. However .... so on back to your "appraisal". 
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Here is is highlight film, not even taking the bad plays but see for yourself. Stares down his receivers..Just like Case Keenum. It is a 1 and done read offense, very seldom progresses beyond that. Griffin
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Highlight reels tell little ...... but we'll see who's right on RG3. I think that he's going to be a superstar NFL QB. It may even take him a year ...... but he'll get there, and make a lot of teams wish they could have drafted him. I've put my opinion out there, and so have you. We'll see who's right in time.
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When I read him say that RG3 stares down his receivers, and doesn't keep his eyes down the field when pressured (which is about every down) and I know that the poster has either never watched RG3 play, or has no idea how to evaluate players.
I want you to take a good hard look at what you wrote and how it is written. Do you see anything wrong with it? Who do you think you are? Quite frankly I am sick of Posters like you who roam these boards and call out others or try to undress them in a message and trying to make them feel irrelevant or make them look stupid. When I put JMO it means it is just my opinion which I have never ever once seen you put. That's the problem with you, besides your tone and your know it all sentiment, you think your opinion is gold and that is all it is. Just like mine it is only your opinion and holds no weight what so ever. I never stated I am a professional scout so when you say I don't know how to evaluate players I think you believe you are some sort of Scout.
So maybe you take this for what it's worth and quit trying to talk down to people and realize we all have different opinions and you don't need to confront everyone on this board who's opinion is different than yours and berate them. Just saying man. We all have our own ideas and opinions..you think he is a superstar, I think he is a decent QB that is overrated and the system breeds who he is. I have supported my opinion with facts about the Coach and QB's that have played under him or his protoge Mike leach while at Houston or Texas Tech. It is Mountain West football in the Big 12 and since this is his first QB who followed him from Houston and the first 4 years of this you wil see that every QB from Baylor moving forward will have similar numbers. It's like buying the first model of a new car..don't be fooled by the slick new design or colors.
Picture both of them still at Houston where they both were 4 years ago. You wouldn't know who he was just like most people don't know who Case Keenum is if he was still there. But the guy(keenum) threw for 5,631 yards 48 TD's 5 int's and completed 72 percent of his passes... In Briles Offense. But it is just my opinion and I don't want to be duped right now when I think we can turn a corner. He is risky and most people can see that.
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Like I said ..... we have diametrically opposed positions, and we'll see who is right about him over the next couple of years, , and who is wrong.
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They have tried that rout twice in 10 years picking a first round QB and both those guys were "Smart" too. So acting like this is the last chance or the best opportunity to do so is only relative to this year, so yes it is shortsighted. Next year I would take the first 4 QB's over Griffin of this year. He is book smart which has absolutely nothing to do with reading a defense or learning a Playbook or going through progressions which none of the above he had to do at Baylor under Briles. Couple that with the fact that his Mechanics are shoddy never took a snap under cenetr ran a option based offense which quite frankly is a gimmick free for offense that every single QB that has played in it under Briles at Houston or while at Texas Tech when Leach was Head Coach and he was OC has put up the same numbers or better. Griffin would be the worst pick for this franchise in a long long time especially at the point where we are at and the team he would come to. JMO but take a look at the facts and the history. Look at his film as he stares down his receivers. If the first option isn't open he runs and half the time doesn't keep his eyes down field..I honestly don't see the Browns even considering him.
What freaking planet do U live on???
I don't even know where to start with U ..yeah I do..It sounds like U really don't know what you're talking bout Willis..by your own admission of the failures the Browns have had..then why take a top ten QB next year????If U have the chance to get a franchise QB when you're on the board,then you're
crazy to pass it up till next year..Griffith's weakness are no different than any other QB who's come out of college..and this stuff about he's book smart but not ball smart doesn't make U look very smart..FYI...Briles has experience working some other QB's before he came to Baylor..
I want a playmaker..it's time to take a risk..if they pass on him and go Tannehill ..fine...I like him too..but U guys trying to sound like you know how to evaluate him need to put the keyboard down and go watch some FOX animation tonite..  
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Like I said ..... we have diametrically opposed positions, and we'll see who is right about him over the next couple of years, , and who is wrong.
Yes we will. Just like when I said Quinn was a waste and everyone said the same stuff. Attack..please
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Yada yada yada yada......Briles has experience working some other QB's before he came to Baylor..Yada yada yada.....
Care to list them..List their stat columns too. That's what I have been saying man..How's Kevin Kolb adjusting. Even after sitting on the bench in Philly behind McNabb and learning from Reid. The guy has limitations from never having to develop under Briles. He didn't even have a playbook. It was a "Free for all offense" a one read quick strike offense. I will have to go look at the others but when at Texas Tech Grahm Harrell, Klingler, Kingsbury..I believe they all shattered records. I will have to look and see the Houston QB's under him but Keenum and Griffin were his recruits. Houstons Mountain West"Air Raid" offense is still there. Which is the offense Keenum put up those numbers under.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Well, considering that I was one of the first people on this board off the Quinn bandwagon, that's little credit for you.
I don't even remember what you said about Quinn when he was drafted, if you were even around then .....
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Yeah, I see that in you, On and off the bandwagon. That's credit enough the unintentional route. I said both Jamarcus and him were highly overrated and were the beneficiaries of being in a horrible draft class for QB's and of course the Hype machine. I don't know it all, what I know is if we keep flopping QB's it won't matter who is back there. The only time that will ever work is after we have been in the same system for 4 years and there aren't a bunch new guys playing together, learning a new offense, with no off season and a bunch of injuries. When a QB can step in and get on the same page and not everyone is trying to get on the same page.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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I was 99% in the no to RG3 camp. But then I read that you're on the same side as me. So now I'm doubting myself.
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I was 99% in the no to RG3 camp. But then I read that you're on the same side as me. So now I'm doubting myself.
So as the saying goes..stick with stupid. Your a big boy, you can make up your own mind by now.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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It's a joke. I should have posted it in purple
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I agree with most everything you say about Griffin, but wouldn't you also agree that Cam Newton was in a offense that was very similar? Look at the success he had. I think Newton is more of an aberration than the rule, but you have to take him into account because he adjusted very nicely when going from one read and run to the NFL.
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I was 99% in the no to RG3 camp. But then I read that you're on the same side as me. So now I'm doubting myself.
Sometimes that is the way to go.
I vote like that.
Whenever I hear a known simpleton...say Al Sharpton...I want whoever he doesn't. 
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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Next year I would take the first 4 QB's over Griffin of this year. He is book smart which has absolutely nothing to do with reading a defense or learning a Playbook or going through progressions which none of the above he had to do at Baylor under Briles. Couple that with the fact that his Mechanics are shoddy never took a snap under cenetr ran a option based offense which quite frankly is a gimmick free for offense that every single QB that has played in it under Briles at Houston or while at Texas Tech when Leach was Head Coach and he was OC has put up the same numbers or better. Griffin would be the worst pick for this franchise in a long long time especially at the point where we are at and the team he would come to. JMO but take a look at the facts and the history. Look at his film as he stares down his receivers. If the first option isn't open he runs and half the time doesn't keep his eyes down field..I honestly don't see the Browns even considering him.
I agree.
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Obviously, since he sompletes 70+% of his passes, he much keep his eyes down the field when pressured.
Reverend Al, is that you?
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Yeah, I see that in you, On and off the bandwagon. That's credit enough the unintentional route. I said both Jamarcus and him were highly overrated and were the beneficiaries of being in a horrible draft class for QB's and of course the Hype machine. I don't know it all, what I know is if we keep flopping QB's it won't matter who is back there. The only time that will ever work is after we have been in the same system for 4 years and there aren't a bunch new guys playing together, learning a new offense, with no off season and a bunch of injuries. When a QB can step in and get on the same page and not everyone is trying to get on the same page.
These folks that want RG3 need to realize that he ain't coming to Cleveland and they might as well get their vents out now about it. Listen to Heckert on WKNR's 'Really Big Show' with Tony Rizzo.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=476&f=354141
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