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Saw this on PFT and so I followed the link and saw this mock draft. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/steve-wyche/65034In it he says........... "PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man." Wonder who these league sources are....... Anyway, mock also has us picking up that Mercellius with our 2nd 1st round pick. I assume we lose our 2nd round pick to St. Louis in the trade up. Getting Mercellius sounds good to me as long as we get an OT in FA. I hope that's a major factor in things. If our FO has a ton of confidence in RG3, then I do too. Heckert has done a pretty good job with our picks, so, ya know. Just get me a Right Tackle! And not any Joe Schmo, a real one! ==----===-----== This is what PFT had to say about it "The Browns need a quarterback badly. They own the No. 4 overall pick in the 2012 draft. Browns coach Pat Shurmur already made some positive comments about Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, so it was only a matter of time before a report emerged connecting the Browns to Griffin with something more tangible than speculation. As part of NFL.com’s ridiculously early mock draft party on Tuesday, Steve Wyche projects the Browns will trade up with the Rams for the No. 2 overall pick to take Griffin. “Cleveland needs Griffin — and wants him, according to league sources,” Wyche writes. He points out that the Browns have the most ammo of any team looking to move up, and the Rams would probably like to move down but stay in the top five. This is all way too early, but it makes a lot of sense. It makes so much sense that we expect to hear some variation of this rumor on a regular basis until late April." http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-rumor-emerges/
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I think St. Louis is going to want #22 in any package to move up (even if it is only two spots). Hopefully, H & H aren't stupid enough to do that for Griffin. I'd much rather stay at #4 and grab the best available player there (which could be Griffin). We'll get a very good to great player no matter what and we'll have another crack at a difference-maker at #22.
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The one thing I do think is that St Louis will want to be able to get Kalil or Blackmon no matter what. Trading with us ensures that.
I trust whatever deal our front office makes, but I would like to keep that 22 if possible
I guess everything hinges on their evaluation of RG3. If he's their guy, then it sounds good to me. But we'll see. He's gotta get his measurables checked at the combine and i'm sure they'll want to interview him too.
One thing I do feel is that QB is easily the most important position. Having a good one makes it much easier for your team to be successful. Sure, great QBs can be on bad teams, but a great one brings more to the table than any position.
So, as I said, I'm with the FO for whatever they wanna do. If they think RG3 is a franchise QB, then I'm with that, and we can trade the 22 also.
Although, as I've said if we can trade 3 firsts and a fourth and fifth to Indy to move up to 1, that would be what i'd want to do.
I've also thought about this, we trade up, secure RG3. Then we trade with Indy for Luck, giving them our 1st next year and fourth and fifth. This would ensure they get their QB (RG3) or whoever they want (Kalil), and extra compensation.
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That's what I think we have going for us the most ... the #4 pick. If St. Louis says "give us a bunch or we will trade it and Griffin to someone else" then we can say ... "yeah but with us you will STILL get blackmon or kalil ... if you trade with Miami or Washington you could be down to the next tier." And maybe it only takes a 2nd or a third to move up. Which we would still have the 22nd to add a top receiver not named blackmon.
That is of course if I believe any of this ... which I don't. I could be wrong but I would say that our brain trust is not even 80% sure what they want to do yet.
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I think it's nice that someone thinks this, but it doesn't mean anything. We haven't even gotten to the East/West Shrine game let alone the Senior Bowl, Combine, free agency, Pro Days, private workouts, and then the draft. I don't think anyone knows who they are taking yet.
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I am not on board with RGIII, and would be ticked to see a trade up to get him.
If he falls to 4, and we draft him, i'll be ok with it- just not the direction i would have gone. But to give up much needed picks, no- i just can't do it.
I really can't see the rams trading back with Miami or Washington either. They need either Kalil or a solid WR threat in Blackmon. Now the vikes are another story if Kalil is gone, they could move back. They need db's bad, and could snag maybe Claiborne or Kirkpatrick.
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I am not on board with RGIII, and would be ticked to see a trade up to get him.
If he falls to 4, and we draft him, i'll be ok with it- just not the direction i would have gone. But to give up much needed picks, no- i just can't do it.
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Never Happen..someone's putting out rumors and it could be our own Browns. Nothing like smoke and a story. That's all it is folks, nothing to see here. I thought there was already a Griffin thread?
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Or the writer is making up crap to justify the pick in his mock draft. It wouldn't be the first time someone made up a quote and attributed it to "unnamed sources".
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I was just going to post this in the Griffin thread w/ this disclaimer . . . "Is PFT allowed to post ANYTHING and call it news worthy?"
Had to laugh at someone's comment though:
"Of course Cleveland wants Griffin . Check Fox’s Sunday primetime ratings. Cleveland isn’t doing well on his own."
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I think that it comes down to this.
If the front office sees either Luck and/or RG3 as franchise QBs, then they must do whatever they need to do to get one of them.
If they see Luck as unobtainable, and RG3 as maybe a 60/40 shot, then they might take him if he is there are 4.
If they see him as a bust waiting to happen, then they will, obviously pass, or try desperately to trade the pick.
It's way too early to tell how they look at the QBs in this draft. Luck appears to be an ideal fit for the WCO, and frankly, he could probably play in any offense. RG3 has talents and abilities that most QBs don't have, and also has some flaws, and lacks some experience in a drop back, read the whole field offense.
I do not believe that any QB we currently have on the roster is sufficiently valued as a franchise guy that the front office will pass on a guy they rate that highly. The questions remains, is there a guy they rate as a franchise guy?
Obviously there is also free agency to deal with. However, I don't see the front office standing still if they feel that they can improve any position on the team, including QB. If they find a guy they consider to be franchise quality, then I think that they will do whatever they can to try and get him. I think that this front office and coaching staff value a top shelf QB, more than a Mangini regime would. (for example) Mangini was more of a "build the team, and then get a QB" guy in NY. He also passed on Sanchez here. (who had many of the media types wetting their pants) I find it almost impossible to believe that the Browns front office shares that type of philosophy.
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This just in! Walter football Predicts the Redskins to trade up too! Wow  Redskins trade up for Griffin or Bleacher Reports us trading up to 2 to Grab Luck because they have Indy taking Kalil. You guys get where this is going? Sources my arse! He's trying to make a story just like the rest of them. Believe me No One outside of Berea knows what the Browns are going to do..No One! The only way they do is if Holmy called his buddy and asked to leak this story!
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Great. It looks like SI.com has picked up this story as well.
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not sure why we would have to give up pick #22. we have the most ammo to trade up even if we don't give them that pick. we can give them pick #4 + #37 washington could give them pick #6 + #39 unless washington is willing to throw in next year's #1 pick, which is when we get up from the table, shake their hands and wish them luck with RGIII. -------------- also, as others have noted, it's silly season and even if we leaked this info to the media, it could just be to drive the price down on Flynn 
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I thought there was already a Griffin thread?
Last post in it was like 5 days ago. So.............. I decided to start a new one
And don't knock my thread, as someone posted right above this: SI picked up the story too.
It's picking up steam
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unless washington is willing to throw in next year's #1 pick, which is when we get up from the table, shake their hands and wish them luck with RGIII.
I agree that we are at the advantage and might not have to give up our 22. Our advantage is having that number 4 pick. Essentially this puts us in a strong position because the fall off of talent comes after that 5th pick. The Rams can still get Blackmon or Kalil if they trade with us. Trade with Washington and they'll be looking at other guys.
To trade up to two, Washington would probably have to offer their 1st next year and possibly another pick also I think (if we're offering our 2nd rounder). There's just a significant drop off, and the Rams aren't looking for a RB, so Trent Richardson isn't on their radar
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No names, speculation based on "positive comments" by Shumur about RGIII?...even for "rumor status", that is weak justification for the claim.
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I don't even want RG3 at 4, let alone trade up for him, he's waaaay too risky...
I'd draft him at 22 probably... Not that he'll be there...
It's really hard for me to invision him in any uniform that isn't Red and Yellow with a Native American on the Helmet...
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also, as others have noted, it's silly season and even if we leaked this info to the media, it could just be to drive the price down on Flynn
And it very well could be. The only problem with that is we aren't the only team that would be competing for Flynn so driving a price down on yourself doesn't do you any good.
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I can only picture the Skins overpaying in FA for their QB . . .
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It's really hard for me to invision him in any uniform that isn't Red and Yellow with a Native American on the Helmet...
I can only picture the Skins overpaying in FA for their QB . . .
Is it me, or does it not matter what QB goes to the Redskins?
There is just something about that team, no matter the coach, no matter the player, they just...suck...
I dunno what it is...
I mean the Browns usually suck, but it has a different kind of atmospheric suck (if that made sense) than Washington does...
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It's really hard for me to invision him in any uniform that isn't Red and Yellow with a Native American on the Helmet...
I can only picture the Skins overpaying in FA for their QB . . .
Is it me, or does it not matter what QB goes to the Redskins?
There is just something about that team, no matter the coach, no matter the player, they just...suck...
I dunno what it is...
I mean the Browns usually suck, but it has a different kind of atmospheric suck (if that made sense) than Washington does...
Yes they do. Washington has a funny way of taking solid NFL players and making them crap or irrelevant no matter who they are.
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I can only picture the Skins overpaying in FA for their QB . . .
Is it me, or does it not matter what QB goes to the Redskins?
There is just something about that team, no matter the coach, no matter the player, they just...suck...
I dunno what it is...
I mean the Browns usually suck, but it has a different kind of atmospheric suck (if that made sense) than Washington does...
It matters if they take a QB that we WANT . . . 
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Browns coach Pat Shurmur already made some positive comments about Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, so it was only a matter of time before a report emerged connecting the Browns to Griffin with something more tangible than speculation.
Just have to ask,, did shurmur say anything bad about any QB in the Draft? I don't think he did. so yeah,, serious speculation without real foundation.
Doesn't mean it won't happen
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Just have to ask,, did shurmur say anything bad about any QB in the Draft? I don't think he did. so yeah,, serious speculation without real foundation.
Doesn't mean it won't happen
Not to mention he didn't have bad things to say about McCoy when he was drafted either.
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Doesn't mean it won't happen
Not to mention he didn't have bad things to say about McCoy when he was drafted either.
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loyal...Shurmur was with the Rams when the Browns drafted McCoy...I realize you know that...
There was an interview where Shurmur said he really liked McCoy coming out of college.
I'm not sure if that's when he became our coach or if that was when he was with the Rams. But I know that he said he really liked McCoy as a prospect
(Of course if it was when he became Browns Coach, he could just be saying that)
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Doesn't mean it won't happen
Not to mention he didn't have bad things to say about McCoy when he was drafted either.
loyal...Shurmur was with the Rams when the Browns drafted McCoy...I realize you know that...
yes I do mac. 
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I think St. Louis is going to want #22 in any package to move up (even if it is only two spots). Hopefully, H & H aren't stupid enough to do that for Griffin. I'd much rather stay at #4 and grab the best available player there (which could be Griffin). We'll get a very good to great player no matter what and we'll have another crack at a difference-maker at #22.
Oh, they will want that.
It could be they give some back by switching positions with us in later rounds, or simply giving us a later round pick.
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Welcome to the silly season and it doesn't get much sillier than us trading up to get RG3.
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I can't believe this guy is talking this trade. First, St.Louis will not draft a QB. If they don't move, Griffin will still be there at 4th. I'm sure there's a player they want more than the trade. Second, the Browns stand a much better chance, and a cheaper trade, of moving down in a trade with Wash or Miami. Moving from 4th to 6th will net us at least a high 2nd, and possibly a 3rd day pick.
I might offer the 4th and 22nd for Luck, but not a chance for Griffin. Holmgren is sold on the WCO for Cleveland, and I don't see them drafting Griffin. He's got to be the most un-WCO QB in the draft.
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Never Happen..someone's putting out rumors and it could be our own Browns. Nothing like smoke and a story. That's all it is folks, nothing to see here. I thought there was already a Griffin thread?
Potentially true, potentially false...if true, it's probably b/c they want someone else to grab Griffin and thus ensure that 2 out 3 of Kalil, Blackmon, and Claiborne will be there for their pick
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Never Happen..someone's putting out rumors and it could be our own Browns. Nothing like smoke and a story. That's all it is folks, nothing to see here. I thought there was already a Griffin thread?
Potentially true, potentially false...if true, it's probably b/c they want someone else to grab Griffin and thus ensure that 2 out 3 of Kalil, Blackmon, and Claiborne will be there for their pick
Bingo. And depending on who they like could potentially push a player down to them that is coveted by another team allowing to gain a pick and move down and get the player they want.
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Saw this on PFT and so I followed the link and saw this mock draft.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/steve-wyche/65034
In it he says........... "PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man."
Wonder who these league sources are.......
Anyway, mock also has us picking up that Mercellius with our 2nd 1st round pick. I assume we lose our 2nd round pick to St. Louis in the trade up. Getting Mercellius sounds good to me as long as we get an OT in FA. I hope that's a major factor in things.
If our FO has a ton of confidence in RG3, then I do too. Heckert has done a pretty good job with our picks, so, ya know.
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This is what PFT had to say about it
"The Browns need a quarterback badly. They own the No. 4 overall pick in the 2012 draft.
Browns coach Pat Shurmur already made some positive comments about Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, so it was only a matter of time before a report emerged connecting the Browns to Griffin with something more tangible than speculation.
As part of NFL.com’s ridiculously early mock draft party on Tuesday, Steve Wyche projects the Browns will trade up with the Rams for the No. 2 overall pick to take Griffin.
“Cleveland needs Griffin — and wants him, according to league sources,” Wyche writes.
He points out that the Browns have the most ammo of any team looking to move up, and the Rams would probably like to move down but stay in the top five.
This is all way too early, but it makes a lot of sense. It makes so much sense that we expect to hear some variation of this rumor on a regular basis until late April."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-rumor-emerges/
Wait a sec. League sources? Does he cite his own mock draft as the source?
And why would the Browns trade up to #2 to draft Griffin when they could get him if they stayed put at #4? It doesn't make any sense at all.
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It makes sense.
You have to assume Miami and Washington are willing to trade up to #2.
If you think that could happen(which I do) and think Griffin is the guy we want(which we might), then trading up makes loads of sense.
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Welcome to the silly season and it doesn't get much sillier than us trading up to get RG3.
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Welcome to the silly season and it doesn't get much sillier than us trading up to get RG3.
This would make me angry.
It would be one of those deals that angered about 1/3 of the people, made 1/3 of the people happy, and the other 1/3 would hope the FO knows what they are doing.
Probably about the same as anything else we do with the pick.
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It makes sense.
You have to assume Miami and Washington are willing to trade up to #2.
If you think that could happen(which I do) and think Griffin is the guy we want(which we might), then trading up makes loads of sense.
Peen ... absolutely right. If we are going to draft RG3, we need to move to #2 to get him, no way he falls to #4. Anyone wanting him knows they have to jump Cleveland to do it. RG3 goes #2, the only question is which team hands in that card.
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I think St. Louis is going to want #22 in any package to move up (even if it is only two spots). Hopefully, H & H aren't stupid enough to do that for Griffin. I'd much rather stay at #4 and grab the best available player there (which could be Griffin). We'll get a very good to great player no matter what and we'll have another crack at a difference-maker at #22.
Oh, they will want that.
It could be they give some back by switching positions with us in later rounds, or simply giving us a later round pick.
If I'm Fisher and have been given notice that I'm there long term, (which he has) I stick and take Kalil who wil then protect my young QB for years. I wouldnt move out of that spot unless 100% guaranteed Kalil is there.
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I'd hate to trade up from 4 to 2, even if that means RG3. I prefer Tannehill or Flynn anyways, but thats a different discussion.
We play badly enough to land #4, but then trade up to 2? It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to give up huge picks to move up 2 spots.
Kind of depends on how RG3 turns out. I'm generally in the "hope the FO knows what it is doing camp" this season. Pre-Heckert I thought the GMs were morons which made draft day much more trying/questionable.
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sources have us going Griffin
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