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to compare people who like RGIII to people to those that liked Quinn, I find odd and non-sensical. What if people who like RGIII liked Big Ben or Matt Ryan or Cam Newton or Eli Manning coming out????
It's people's opinion, I get you don't agree but at least give your opinion of why you don't like him and move on
His point wasn't comparing Quinn to RGIII or to Newton or Matt Ryan.. his point was that we have been starved for good consistent QB play for so long that there is a lovefest over some QB every year that we just have to have... In part they are right, we absolutely DO need better QB play, but some people really reach in predicting who that QB should be... it has nothing to do with whether or not RGIII is going to be great.
I will say this, if Matt Barkley was in the draft, some of the people currently in love with RGIII would be touting why Barkley is better and RGIII is too big of a risk.. but they want a QB so bad, and have realized we aren't going to get Luck, that they have convinced themselves that RGIII is going to be great... maybe he will, I don't know.
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to compare people who like RGIII to people to those that liked Quinn, I find odd and non-sensical. What if people who like RGIII liked Big Ben or Matt Ryan or Cam Newton or Eli Manning coming out????
It's people's opinion, I get you don't agree but at least give your opinion of why you don't like him and move on
His point wasn't comparing Quinn to RGIII or to Newton or Matt Ryan.. his point was that we have been starved for good consistent QB play for so long that there is a lovefest over some QB every year that we just have to have... In part they are right, we absolutely DO need better QB play, but some people really reach in predicting who that QB should be... it has nothing to do with whether or not RGIII is going to be great.
I will say this, if Matt Barkley was in the draft, some of the people currently in love with RGIII would be touting why Barkley is better and RGIII is too big of a risk.. but they want a QB so bad, and have realized we aren't going to get Luck, that they have convinced themselves that RGIII is going to be great... maybe he will, I don't know.
Ehhh...Matt Barkley, IMO, was wayyyy over hyped.
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even if our FO decides that RGIII is the guy to get, not sure why we'd have to give up #22.
#4 + #37 >> #6 + #39
If it worked out that way.
Most think Washington is going to offer next years 1st rounder .
I'd like it if we could not trade the other #1, but I am pretty sure that will have to happen.
if they are trading next year's 1st w/o the #39, then our picks are still more valuable (subtracting a round grade on next year's picks).
if they are trading next year's 1st in addition to those 2 picks, then we need to shake their hands and get up from the table (that's too expensive).
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If it worked out that way.
Most think Washington is going to offer next years 1st rounder .
I'd like it if we could not trade the other #1, but I am pretty sure that will have to happen.
This.
It's about having an offer better than what the other guys are offering for the pick. No one is going to agree to a lesser offer just because the chart deems it fair.
I'm still convinced that the chart is nothing more than a guideine... as always, the price of anything is set by what someone will pay for it.
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To hell with the value chart. If you perceive the player is worth the extra picks you're giving up, you do it. To hell with perception or the "chart."
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If it worked out that way.
Most think Washington is going to offer next years 1st rounder .
I'd like it if we could not trade the other #1, but I am pretty sure that will have to happen.
This.
It's about having an offer better than what the other guys are offering for the pick. No one is going to agree to a lesser offer just because the chart deems it fair.
I'm still convinced that the chart is nothing more than a guideine... as always, the price of anything is set by what someone will pay for it.
BUT THE VALUE CHART IS ALL KNOWING AND NEVER WRONG! THAT JIMMY JOHNSON WHO INVENTED IT IS OMNIPOTENT AND FOREVER CORRECT!!!!!
To hell with the value chart. If you perceive the player is worth the extra picks you're giving up, you do it. To hell with perception or the "chart."
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the chart is just a good measuring stick to come to terms with. you don't want your GM getting giddy about a certain player and going "all-in" on him without any perception to the value.
now, does every team have their own system/chart? yeah, likely
does every team have that system/chart based on position that you are trading for and things like value of position, current need, etc? also, yeah likely.
the JimmieJ chart is just nice to have for us fans because it's out there and gives us an easy way of doing what GMs spend alot more time and effort crafting.
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If everyone thought of it in that manner, then there wouldn't be an argument everytime someone says, "that would be a dumb trade" and then site the value chart as the reason why...
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nevermind then. what fun would that be 
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We could still trade for more picks.. then blow those picks on substandard talent... thereby allowing us to talk about what a bad trade it was... even if the numbers worked out perfectly. 
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Ahh, I see you understand my sarcasm 
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to compare people who like RGIII to people to those that liked Quinn, I find odd and non-sensical. What if people who like RGIII liked Big Ben or Matt Ryan or Cam Newton or Eli Manning coming out????
It's people's opinion, I get you don't agree but at least give your opinion of why you don't like him and move on
His point wasn't comparing Quinn to RGIII or to Newton or Matt Ryan.. his point was that we have been starved for good consistent QB play for so long that there is a lovefest over some QB every year that we just have to have... In part they are right, we absolutely DO need better QB play, but some people really reach in predicting who that QB should be... it has nothing to do with whether or not RGIII is going to be great.
I will say this, if Matt Barkley was in the draft, some of the people currently in love with RGIII would be touting why Barkley is better and RGIII is too big of a risk.. but they want a QB so bad, and have realized we aren't going to get Luck, that they have convinced themselves that RGIII is going to be great... maybe he will, I don't know.
Exactly DC. That is all it was and an opinion at that. But an informed opinion on every draft of every year or every controversey we have had. The one thing we haven't done is just relax and let everything fall into place or let a QB grow into a new system or scheme. While we are doing that we are building a stronger team and adding more weapons and everyone understands there roles and are more established. At that point we will be able to say, Colt is a good back-up and we can go get this guy or Colt really progressed and here is what we need to do to take it up a notch.
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to compare people who like RGIII to people to those that liked Quinn, I find odd and non-sensical. What if people who like RGIII liked Big Ben or Matt Ryan or Cam Newton or Eli Manning coming out????
It's people's opinion, I get you don't agree but at least give your opinion of why you don't like him and move on
His point wasn't comparing Quinn to RGIII or to Newton or Matt Ryan.. his point was that we have been starved for good consistent QB play for so long that there is a lovefest over some QB every year that we just have to have... In part they are right, we absolutely DO need better QB play, but some people really reach in predicting who that QB should be... it has nothing to do with whether or not RGIII is going to be great.
I will say this, if Matt Barkley was in the draft, some of the people currently in love with RGIII would be touting why Barkley is better and RGIII is too big of a risk.. but they want a QB so bad, and have realized we aren't going to get Luck, that they have convinced themselves that RGIII is going to be great... maybe he will, I don't know.
I find the great "Draft THIS QB NOW!" debate something akin to my training to be a lifeguard. We were taught to keep our distance from the person we are rescuing or they'll grab on to you. They'll grab on to anything, and it makes perfect sense to them to do so. From where they stand it's the thing to do.
We'll know more after the combines, interviews, Pro Days, and the unbelievable scrutiny that first rounders face. My gut instinct is that RG III is a mid first-rounder except for the fact he's the only quarterback not named Luck who's the least bit interesting. We always see stocks rise and fall right up until the day of the draft. It's just too soon to declare that we absolutely must do this or that or the team will fail.
Picking at number 4 is just such a realm of possibilities I'm having a hard time zeroing on any one player yet. We have so many glaring needs.
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Heh heh, you Kiper haters should loooove this . . . NFL Draft: ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. believes Browns buying into RG3 mania, will ‘probably kick Colt McCoy to the curb’ By Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal sports writer Published: January 20, 2012 - 12:28 AM ESPN NFL Draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. believes two players from Baylor could help revive the Browns’ inept offense. In his first mock draft of the year, Kiper has the Browns selecting the Baylor tandem of quarterback Robert Griffin III and wide receiver Kendall Wright with the fourth and 22nd overall picks, respectively, on April 26. The Browns have two first-round picks in 2012 because of their draft-day trade last year with the Atlanta Falcons. Of course, Kiper’s projections will change after the NFL Scouting Combine, which begins Feb. 22, and free agency, which starts March 13. Still, Kiper is convinced the Browns must acquire a quarterback and a wide receiver they can plug into the starting lineup. The Browns ranked 29th in offense (288.8 yards per game) and 30th in scoring (13.6 points per game) during the 2011 regular season. “They have to get a quarterback,” Kiper said Thursday on a national conference call. “I think they pretty much resolved themselves to the fact that they’re gonna go that route. They’re gonna probably kick Colt McCoy to the curb. That’s what happens with a lot of young quarterbacks who don’t have great physical qualifications, and he struggled. They didn’t have a lot of talent around him, particularly at wide receiver. So they have to get a wide receiver.” In Kiper’s opinion, the Browns will exercise one of a few options to find a new quarterback. They could sign Green Bay Packers backup Matt Flynn as a free agent or trade for him if he receives a franchise tag. “Does Cleveland have an interest with Flynn?” Kiper said. “He would fit more what they do offensively, I think, than certainly he would fit some of the other teams.” The Browns could also draft Griffin — if he’s available. Other teams, including the Washington Redskins and the Miami Dolphins, might try to trade with the St. Louis Rams and move up the draft board into the No. 2 spot, so they could nab Griffin, Kiper said. Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is expected to become the No. 1 overall pick. “In terms of RG3, he’s gonna go, I believe, four to two — two being in a trade,” Kiper said. “Now the question’s gonna be, ‘How many teams are competing for him? How many teams really want him to be their quarterback?’ Every team’s not gonna want the top quarterbacks in their system. Every team doesn’t love every quarterback.” Last month, Browns coach Pat Shurmur called Griffin a “tremendous talent, good player.” When asked if Griffin would fit into the Browns’ West Coast offense, Shurmur said, “Good players fit in every offense.” Kiper said Griffin, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner, attracts NFL teams not only because of his athleticism, but also because of his arm. “He’s a heck of a passer,” Kiper said. “That’s his strength, … throwing the ball accurately on deep ball. Throwing it down the field was remarkable this year. His numbers were across-the-board better than Andrew Luck. Now he’s not as good as Andrew Luck as a prospect, but I think the passing ability of RG3 was very understated and underrated going into this year, and finally everybody has kind of jumped on the bandwagon.” As for Wright, his speed would give the Browns something they sorely lack, Kiper said. “Kendall Wright’s gonna be one of the faster players in this draft,” Kiper said. “He’s a pure, polished receiver. He’s not just a track guy, speed option, and he’s got the return ability. They need a speed guy. They’ve drafted enough possession types. They need a speed guy, and I think Kendall Wright from Baylor would be heavily in that discussion if they still have that choice come late April.” If Griffin is not available at No. 4, Kiper said he thinks the Browns could target Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon or Alabama running back Trent Richardson, depending on whether Peyton Hillis departs in free agency. “I would think you’ve gotta go offense,” Kiper said. “You cannot score the minimal amount of points that they did and be winning games in this league. I think the offense has to get a shot in the arm.”
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I just don't know if i think of RGIII fitting in that Shurmur/Holmgren system. I think of Shurmur's offense and the quick drop, quick throw, west coast system. The type that requires the presnap read, occasionally play off the SS, and make the quick decision accurately. RG3 needs an offense with no presnap reads, just play action to move the MLB, eye off the deep S, and throw. Very different from what Shurmur runs.
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I agree w/ u.. but then I think.. well heck.. if Seneca Wallace can do it.. or better yet.. Holmgren feels Wallace can do it.. then RG3 sure as heck can do it.
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Miami+Philbin should =Flynn
That takes one potential bidder out of the race and leaves only the BRowns and Redskins in real need of a QB. Seattle is content with Jackson this year and will probably make a run at a QB next year.
Things are really looking up for the Browns. Asking price of #1 and #2 has probably lowered a bit or will the day Flynn signs his contract. It also helps that Manning has been sending out the message that he wants the Colts to acquire players to help them win now.
I think the chances of RG3 actually falling to us has improved for those RG3 fans. I think the chance of us being able to trade up for Luck has improved. The chance of landing Tannehill at 22 has really improved as well.
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I think the chances of Griffin falling to the Skins is a bigger reality today than ever or even falling down the board all together. It does take our bargaining power away somewhat but I think Heck will be content with the added picks if he decides not to go with Blackmon or Claiborne. I don't feel they will go with Claiborne so if Blackmon is off the board they will either look to go Richardson or trade down.
Nothing is set in stone and Flynn to Miami isn't a sure thing. So we will see how things start shaking out. Might be another Quinn scenario where he drops and some team might get him down lower.
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Id take him at 4 if he is there.....but if we was to pass and he dropped and was there at 22 Heckert better not pass on him again!
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The thing I love about him is the way he makes those throws over the top, in stride, look so easy. That's a throw our current guy simply cannot make ..... no matter which current guy we're talking about. Neither McCoy nor Wallace has shown the ability to drop that teardrop right into the receiver's hands, right in stride. Man that's a beautiful thing to behold.
He throws a nice pass on the crossing patterns and outs. He's got really solid ball handling and ball fake skills as well. He knows how to work in the pocket and out of the pocket to create room to throw. I really don't get people who freak out over the idea of getting this kid. He was a pretty good QB last year, and he worked hard to improve himself even more this year. He seems to have that relentless drive to be the best.
I also love the fact that he and his teammates just seem to always either drop the ball when they score or toss it to the official. I like guys who act like they've been there before and expect to be there again.
Man I hope this kid is a member of the Cleveland Browns come Draft Day.
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In addition to your comments, I like the fact he can run the ball. It only creates more options to defend.
Not that I would want him playing like Tebow since he isn't
Tebow as a runner...as in size, but showing a run or two a game out of him as a planned play will open things up.
A few roll option passes is all it would take to make you spy the guy, which is going to weaken it somewhere else.
The kid has a great arm and vision. I am pretty comfortable with selecting him, even if it likely means we will have to move up to get him, though much depends on what a few other teams do in FA with their QB situations.
My problem is I am not totally sure Minnesota won't take him. I am pretty sure The Rams won't, but the Vikings worry me.
If we decide RG3 is our guy, I don't take the chance. I move up and get him and not worry about what the message board pundits have to say. I am getting my guy.
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While I cannot disagree with your assessment of RG3 I just don't see us moving up in the first round to get anyone.
No one knows what the FO is thinking or is gonna do but I just don't see these guys doing that.
I think what they do in FA will tell us a bunch about what they're thinking about the Draft.
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I saw several throws in that video behind receivers, underthrown, and leading a receiver out of bounds. McCoy was blasted for these things. I don't say that it means RGIII shouldn't/couldn't be the guy. I'm saying that all QBs do that sort of thing, but people are so narrow minded when it comes to the QB that they'll see it in one but not another. It's also worth noting how open many of his receivers are on many of these throws.
That being said, I really like what I see from RGIII, but I don't like him enough to trade picks to get him. We all need to keep in mind that if the organization goes with McCoy for another year it might not mean he's the guy for the future - just that the price may not have been right to get RGIII (assuming Luck isn't an option.)
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I saw several throws in that video behind receivers, underthrown, and leading a receiver out of bounds. McCoy was blasted for these things. I don't say that it means RGIII shouldn't/couldn't be the guy. I'm saying that all QBs do that sort of thing, but people are so narrow minded when it comes to the QB that they'll see it in one but not another. It's also worth noting how open many of his receivers are on many of these throws.
That being said, I really like what I see from RGIII, but I don't like him enough to trade picks to get him. We all need to keep in mind that if the organization goes with McCoy for another year it might not mean he's the guy for the future - just that the price may not have been right to get RGIII (assuming Luck isn't an option.)
I don't think anyone would argue that QB's sometimes miss WR'ers and guys are under/over thrown all the time.
But one of the biggest things RGIII can do and is shown in that video is absolutely demolish a blitzing defense. He's probably one of the best QB's I've seen from being able to beat a blitz and really make them pay.
Also, like has been many times before, that deep ball is just incredible.
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The thing I love about him is the way he makes those throws over the top, in stride, look so easy. That's a throw our current guy simply cannot make ..... no matter which current guy we're talking about. Neither McCoy nor Wallace has shown the ability to drop that teardrop right into the receiver's hands, right in stride. Man that's a beautiful thing to behold.
He throws a nice pass on the crossing patterns and outs. He's got really solid ball handling and ball fake skills as well. He knows how to work in the pocket and out of the pocket to create room to throw. I really don't get people who freak out over the idea of getting this kid. He was a pretty good QB last year, and he worked hard to improve himself even more this year. He seems to have that relentless drive to be the best.
I also love the fact that he and his teammates just seem to always either drop the ball when they score or toss it to the official. I like guys who act like they've been there before and expect to be there again.
Man I hope this kid is a member of the Cleveland Browns come Draft Day.
Except for the part about the teammates, which I'm not sure about, you can mark me down for saying Word for Word those statements about Ryan Tannehill.
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Ponder looked like a NFL QB last year. His numbers were bad most of the time, but he showed he could make all the throws and that he definitely had 1st round QB potential.
yes, he could definitely fail (that's a large hill to climb), but I would have to think the Vikings give him another year before thinking of drafting a 1st round QB replacement. also, his backup, Joe Webb, looked good in some instances. I would think they would want to see what they have there too.
yeah, it could be that they end up having no good QB like when we had Anderson and Quinn, but I think they let it play out first.
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None the less, I still worry they haven't ruled out taking a QB.
My comments aren't necessarily to pimp RG3. My only concern is if we, as in the guys who can actually make the decisions and who know what they want decide RG3 is the target, it would be a big kick in the you know what if we waited and got snookered.
Somewhere else in this league someone needs a QB and would be happy to select Griffin. It may be teams view us as the team to jump.
It may very well work out that if we want Griffin, we'll have to make a Winslow deal and move up 1 slot. If I was the Vikings I'd try to do that if they knew we wanted RG3.
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yes, I agree that other teams will try to jump us. Particularly Washington if they do not get a QB in FA (Flynn or Peyton-if-healthy).
I think most teams view this as a 2-QB draft and we are the 2nd team on the list that definitely needs a QB.
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Most fans view it as a 2 QB race but I can guarantee most teams do not. Tannehill is 6-4 225 with a big arm, good accuracy, great feet and one of the very few quarterbacks to have played in a pro system. No matter what anyone thinks, Heckert and Shurmur can evaluate Tannehill in this system because he is running this system.
They must project RG3 into a system that he has never run. Some QBs simply never make the transition from spread system to a pro system. The reason we went to more gun with Colt was because he was struggling making the reads from beneath center.
The FO may have a much higher grade on RG3 than Tannehill but don't be shocked if they grade Tannehill just as high if not higher.
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hey, a civil dissenting opinion. I didn't realize those were allowed here.
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yeah, after Locker and Gabbert going as high as they did last year, I could see teams grading purely on potential (which is what I feel they would be doing).
Tannehill definitely has the size and the arm strength to be a NFL QB. He played a dumb-downed version of the WCO (it's college, so expected - but, hey we played a dumbed-down version too), but he should have the basics down on the terminology and what the QB is trying to accomplish (so that's good).
My problems with Tannehill is that he threw way too many check-down passes. And, when he did go deeper he was either inaccurate or throwing into heavy coverage much of the time. He did not look impressive to me in any of the games that I saw him and any pressure early made him skittish the rest of the game (though that's common).
I wouldn't mind Tannehill if we could get him in the 2nd or 3rd round. My big objections are using the #4 or #22 for him because I think he has way too much work left to be taken that high (particularly by a team that needs a QB because he'll be rushed into starting).
I know you view it differently, you think he would be best learning while playing. I just disagree.
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None the less, I still worry they haven't ruled out taking a QB.
My comments aren't necessarily to pimp RG3. My only concern is if we, as in the guys who can actually make the decisions and who know what they want decide RG3 is the target, it would be a big kick in the you know what if we waited and got snookered.
Somewhere else in this league someone needs a QB and would be happy to select Griffin. It may be teams view us as the team to jump.
It may very well work out that if we want Griffin, we'll have to make a Winslow deal and move up 1 slot. If I was the Vikings I'd try to do that if they knew we wanted RG3.
Earlier the Vikings said they are not going to draft a QB, now that could be a smoke screen but I feel they did that so other teams would call them instead of the Rams to jump us if they want RGIII.
All speculation on my part but its the feeling I have.
I would love to know how they have the QB's graded this year but that is 1 thing we will probably never know unless they trade up get their guy.
If they stand pat and draft a QB they are going to say he was their guy and they had him rated wherever they picked him etc.
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I've been going back and forth with who I feel we should draft with our first pick...
I think RG3 will be that guy.. and should be that guy.. Colt needs competition and when camp starts.. let the best man win. Whoever plays better.. gets to play. simple.
I really like Blackmon, but honestly there are other WR's who can be had with the 2nd pick. I think Floyd could be there, and then you have Wright & Alshon Jeffrey there too. Floyd is who I REALLY want though.
I also like Claiborne, and really like the thought of having Haden and Claiborne at cornerback, but I can't rank Claiborne over RG3.. It's just not happening.
Let this be clear though.. i do NOT want to trade up for RG3.. and I don't think Heckert will. He knows he needs as many picks as possible to turn around this team.
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hey, a civil dissenting opinion. I didn't realize those were allowed here.
They aren't, Mours being banned for being too nice
Here's a kinda dumb question..
Last week during the an interview with Trivisonno, Randy Lerner was asked about Colt McCoy and if he was the guy. Randy hemmed and hawwed a little and made a comment like we have to solve that issue (paraphrasing)
Anyway, the indication was that Randy didn't think Colt was THE guy.
I've heard tell that Shurmur hasn't exactly been overwhelming in his support of Colt and Holmgren isn't saying super positive things either. I don't remember what, if anything Heckert said.
So, to all outward appearences, it looks like the powers that be aren't big fans of the Coltster.
Fair enough. But here's my question, if they aren't big on Colt, would they say it out loud? I mean, wouldn't they hold that close to the vest. If for no other reason than not to taint a potential trade at some point that could include Colt.
Or, what if they are blowing smoke in order to throw off other teams regarding the draft or maybe even FA?
I haven't fully fleshed this out in my mind so I won't be surprised if everyone just jumps out and calls me a dummy... I can take..
but the very fact that they are all singing the same tune could just as easily mean they love Colt.
Just some food for thought....Anyone hungry? 
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I totally agree I dont want to trade up. My comment was that the only way we would know that the Browns had 1 of the QBs rated higher or super high was if they traded up to get him otherwise they will give the party line we got the guy we had rated for that spot etc.
Im good with pretty much any of RG3 Blackmon or Claiborne. Im also good with a trade down but hopefully no lower than the mid teens and getting Richardson if we dont resign Hillis or to some extent even if we do because Im not totally sold that Hardesty is the man.
I guess we would know if they traded down with RG3 on the board or drafted another player with him on the board too.
Im pretty sure they have Luck as #1 on their board like almost everyone but its how they have the rest the top 6 on their board that I would love to see come draft day.
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I haven't fully fleshed this out in my mind so I won't be surprised if everyone just jumps out and calls me a dummy... I can take..
Let me be the first! Daman, You are a big Dummy! Wow..that does feel good, I can see the fascination with it! I now feel better about myself..
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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I haven't fully fleshed this out in my mind so I won't be surprised if everyone just jumps out and calls me a dummy... I can take..
Let me be the first! Daman, You are a big Dummy! Wow..that does feel good, I can see the fascination with it! I now feel better about myself..
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hey, a civil dissenting opinion. I didn't realize those were allowed here.
They aren't, Mours being banned for being too nice
Here's a kinda dumb question..
Last week during the an interview with Trivisonno, Randy Lerner was asked about Colt McCoy and if he was the guy. Randy hemmed and hawwed a little and made a comment like we have to solve that issue (paraphrasing)
Anyway, the indication was that Randy didn't think Colt was THE guy.
I've heard tell that Shurmur hasn't exactly been overwhelming in his support of Colt and Holmgren isn't saying super positive things either. I don't remember what, if anything Heckert said.
So, to all outward appearences, it looks like the powers that be aren't big fans of the Coltster.
Fair enough. But here's my question, if they aren't big on Colt, would they say it out loud? I mean, wouldn't they hold that close to the vest. If for no other reason than not to taint a potential trade at some point that could include Colt.
Or, what if they are blowing smoke in order to throw off other teams regarding the draft or maybe even FA?
I haven't fully fleshed this out in my mind so I won't be surprised if everyone just jumps out and calls me a dummy... I can take..
but the very fact that they are all singing the same tune could just as easily mean they love Colt.
Just some food for thought....Anyone hungry?
I know what your saying and I think its more the bolded part then anything. I have a really strong feeling they are bouncing around to keep other teams off guard.
All 3 have been very elusive in their comments on QB. I just have this strange feeling they are going to do with QB this year what we did with WR last year.
Stand pat and then go after the position hard.
When i look at the schedule and what we have I just dont see any QB coming in here and taking us to better then 8-8 record. More likely we are looking at 4-6 wins next year.
We should be in a prime spot to take a top flight QB.
Im guessing if that is the route they take we will see alot of wheeling and dealing this year in the draft.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Ahh, I'm probably reading more into it than there really is.. It just seemed a little odd... Oh well,,
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I haven't fully fleshed this out in my mind so I won't be surprised if everyone just jumps out and calls me a dummy... I can take..
Let me be the first! Daman, You are a big Dummy! Wow..that does feel good, I can see the fascination with it! I now feel better about myself..
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And who says you can't come up with your own ideas? Congratulations on 25,000 and some change of meaningless posts Daman!
Now I will comment on your idea. It could be a smokescreen of some sort or It could be that they aren't enomored with Colt. I haven't seen anything either way that would help us see the answer to that. I think right now that everyone has been briefed on what is going on and how to field questions regarding the QB position for strategic purposes. I think about Holmgren's remarks that we Have to stay the Course and realize we will have growing pains. I can't remember where I seen it recently but he was talking about a hire or something and he said that he understood that it took four years for a QB to truly get it. I just don't see Holmgren as a guy that is going to have a new QB every year and keep going through the derby. He said he likes Colt's intangibles and that he did some very fine things but he is not ready to annoint him. I personally believe that they will bring someone in in the form of a mid round pick again(Cousins). The problem I have is that I feel strongly that they won't get rid of McCoy, I think they like Wallace as a Backup for this year and he is under contract, and I know they really like Thad Lewis.
So knowing that their choices are to draft a QB high and compete with Colt, Draft a Mid Round pick that will sit and learn, Sign a Free agent to Compete and possibly start for the job. That would mean that Someone needs to get cut or put on the practice squad. I just don't see it except for a mid or late round pick for this year. If anything Lewis would compete for the starting job, Maybe Seneca get's cut and they try to develop a guy in the 3. I just don't see Holmgren giving up on Colt yet with what I know he believes and what we all know went on last year. So Yes, I guess I believe it is a smokescreen of some sort. By having someone trade up above them to get Griffin it could drop the guy they want to them or have a better chance of it. Also if they believe the Brown's might take a QB, teams that really want Griffin will have to trade up to get him.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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