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No one is certain.
I would take RG3 at four and not look back.
There is no doubt that no one is "certain"...but some are more likely to be "certain" than others. Luck v Griffin as an example.
Everyone thinks Luck is "ready"...most everyone thinks RGIII needs work. That doesn't sound like a #4 overall to me.
I think taking him at #4 is a mistake...I think moving up to take him is a monumental mistake.
Few quarterbacks don't need work. Cam Newton needs a ton of work...
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No one is certain.
I would take RG3 at four and not look back.
There is no doubt that no one is "certain"...but some are more likely to be "certain" than others. Luck v Griffin as an example.
Everyone thinks Luck is "ready"...most everyone thinks RGIII needs work. That doesn't sound like a #4 overall to me.
I think taking him at #4 is a mistake...I think moving up to take him is a monumental mistake.
Few quarterbacks don't need work. Cam Newton needs a ton of work...
Fixed it for you.
He was a top-10 quarterback last year. And I didn't like him at all as a prospect.
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No one is certain.
I would take RG3 at four and not look back.
There is no doubt that no one is "certain"...but some are more likely to be "certain" than others. Luck v Griffin as an example.
Everyone thinks Luck is "ready"...most everyone thinks RGIII needs work. That doesn't sound like a #4 overall to me.
I think taking him at #4 is a mistake...I think moving up to take him is a monumental mistake.
Few quarterbacks don't need work. Cam Newton needs a ton of work...
Fixed it for you.
Yet for all of the work he needs, he went to an awful team, ranked dead last in offense the year before he arrived, and made them into a top 10 offensive team. (#7 in total offense) They went from the depths to #6 in scoring offense.
He threw for 4000 yards and 21 TDs. He ran for 706 yards and 14 TDs. He had one of, if not the greatest ever seasons by a rookie QB. I can't think of any other QB who started as a rookie and had 35 combined TDs. Ever.
I remember hearing how Sam Bradford had the best season ever for a rookie QB last year with 3500 yards, and 18 TDs/15 INTs and completing an even 60% of his passes. Newton had more yards, TD passes, and a higher completion % and 1 fewer INT. He also had a higher yards/pass attempt by far, 7.84 compared to 5.95 for Bradford.
I cannot remember a QB coming in and having a bigger impact on a team ever. He may need work ..... but he's also done a lot more than any other rookie QB I can ever remember.
Can you remember a rookie QB ever having a better season as far as improving a team's offensive performance, and putting up the numbers himself?
I would be ecstatic if we had Cam Newton as our QB right now. We would be miles and miles ahead of where we are.
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Just my opinion.
Not anOTHer cornerback! 
Just wondering, but are you saying we don't need another CB to take over for Brown?
I never thought Usama Young and Dimitri Patterson would look as good as they did.
I remember Brown as being the least amazing player of the whole day vs Tampa Bay early in 2010.
This is talking about the 3rd pick, the only 2nd round pick in the 2012 draft. A 2nd round cornerback, ( doesen't change if they get him in the 3rd, 4th, whatever) but this is talking about a 2nd rounder.
I'm remembering the last playoff Browns squad, with its good 3rd Cb, Corey Fuller, or Sawyer, along with Cutch, and Anthony Henry, they found Henry in the 4th and found a good gift that he was still available they said. That year, 2002, they had an advantage with the dbs. In 2011 they had an advantage with the dbs.
Dockery's making plays better than most in his position in the pre season
Skrines supposed to have all of this speed.
Look at it from a different perspective.
There are only 7 players, 8 players, sometimes 9 in the draft per year. The Browns are often going with the cornerback pick, Or the Safety.
Whether it is Chris Crocker, or L,? or Jones and Pool , all the way back to A. Henry, .. and then you have Wright, and McDonald, it seems like they have a pattern, the cliche "you can never have enough corners"
Well they can't but they can't keep them all they don't keep them all.
Now they've gone with Haden and Ward, and hey, Lets get another Cb.
I liked Minifield, the bump and run coverage of Minnifield and Dixon was a major plus for the team. I sure wish they had young Clay Mathews because the older Clay Mathews was so great in playoff games, and he is too.
So , I'd love to see Minnifield on the Browns, yep, big plus. ( Even though it's not 1986, bump and run, the game is played differently today, by offenses )
The idea of another Cb draft pick with a team that can't win is  a big minus.
The way the game is played, there is only so much anyone can do from the db positions. You can draft a Deion Sanders and a Ronnie Lott every year, but if your offense is 30th in the league, your team is not going to make the playoffs. (most likely) .
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I wasn't trying to imply that you were high on him or not. Just that he still needs a ton of work. My apologies if you took my comment as me saying you liked him as a prospect.
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I wanted nothing to do with him last year...and still want nothing to do with him now. He is an incredible athlete on a below-average team with a couple of playmakers around him.
I predict another sub .500 team for him again next year and some "wow" games every now and then. I think he will have either great games or awful games. But he will not be able to make his team a playoff contender until he makes changes in his game that are very difficult to make.
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JC ...
So, what does everyone (anyone?) think of Chase Minnifield, the subject of the thread?
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So, what does everyone (anyone?) think of Chase Minnifield, the subject of the thread?
My apologies...I am guilty as charged.
I like Minnifield alot...If we don't take Claiborne at #4, I would like him with our #2. I don't think the guys ranked after Claiborne are markedly better prospects than Minnifield.
I don't think I'd use our 1b on him though.
I think we will take a CB with one of our first (3) picks and not take another CB in this draft.
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I need to clarify that I am not even close to a draft guru of any sort. I am not pretending to know the diff between Minnifield and the other top CBs...just that with the little I've seen of him...I liked him quite a bit.
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No apologies necessary. Its just that I kept clicking back and finding a QB thread. I'm actually interested in Minnifield because I'm one of those sentimental saps that always wants us to pick ex-Browns' sons in the draft (see Clay Matthews, Casey Matthews, and now Minnifield). It makes a connection for me back to happier times. Its a bonus if they can actually play.
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So, what does everyone (anyone?) think of Chase Minnifield, the subject of the thread?
Not a fan. I'd take him in the third.
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He wont be there in the 3rd. Im not even sure he would be there when we pick in the 2nd. If he was I wouldnt mind him at all. Hes got size and teams stayed away from his side of the field from what little Ive read on him.
I think him and Haden would be great for years to come. Not sure if I would use the 1b pick on him (Ill leave that up to Heckert) but that may be the only way we could get him.
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FWIW, I looked at a few draft sites and they seem to agree that he is an early 2nd round talent - somewhere around the 37th pick. He's the 5th or 6th ranked CB. He's 6', 185, runs a 4.5. He returned punts, kickoffs, and had 10 Int's in the last 2 years at Virginia. In high school, he was the placekicker too, LOL.
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I'm perfectly aware he won't be there then. I'm saying that's the earliest I would take him.
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I'm perfectly aware he won't be there then. I'm saying that's the earliest I would take him.
How do you rate the guys between ...say...Claiborne and Minnifield?
I ask that more from a 'draft slot' standpoint than their attributes.
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I would take Alfonzo Dennard in the early-mid 20s, Janoris Jenkins about the same, and Stephon Gilmore at the end of the first. Then there's a big drop off for me.
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I would take Alfonzo Dennard in the early-mid 20s, Janoris Jenkins about the same, and Stephon Gilmore at the end of the first. Then there's a big drop off for me.
Did you leave Kirkpatrick because he would be gone by our 1b? I ask that because if we traded down to...say...10...does he come into play there?
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Or maybe because he was just busted with pot. He would be a good fit for Cincinati though.
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Sorry, I just forgot him somehow. I think he's a top-10 pick but may fall to the Cowboys at 14.
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I had no idea the number of Db's the Browns have sought vs the number of Wr's the Browns have brought in was so ones sided.
If you count, Dockery, Young and Patterson, Hagg and Skrine in 2011
Sheldon Brown, Asante, Ward and Haden in 2010,
Coye Francies, Don Carey, and if you count Abe Elam in 2009
in 2008 there wasn't a db draft pick, but the they didn't have a pick until the 4th round and probably one of those was traded for an in season db addition.
Eric Wright and Brandon Mcdonald in 2007 .
That's 14 dbs since Joe Thomas was drafted. vs the number of Wide Receivers.
Greg Little, and if you count Norwood in 2011,
Only Carlton Mitchell in 2010,
Robiskie and Mo Mass in 2009,
Paul Hubbard in 2008, and Syndric Steptoe in 2007.
Throw in Chansi Stuckey and Donte Stalworth, and thats still 14dbs to 8 Wrs since Joe Thomas was drafted.
If that were even a little more even we might see a more competitive team.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I would take Alfonzo Dennard in the early-mid 20s, Janoris Jenkins about the same, and Stephon Gilmore at the end of the first. Then there's a big drop off for me.
Janoris Jenkins can ball.
I'd be willing to bet that not only does he get to the Probowl, he goes more than a time or two.
He reminds me a lot of Asante Samuel.
He owns his zone.
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Color me confused (big news there) but really, what does it matter where a kid went to school. I mean, if he can play, what's the diff?
The comment is based on my skepticism that the kid in question "can play" at the NFL level after staring for one year in a average-at-best conference.
It does not matter where he went to school...UNLESS that school has no history of producing offensive skill position players in the NFL...UNLESS that school plays in an average-at-best football conference...UNLESS that player starred in a system that no NFL team will run...UNLESS the player from said school pops up out of no where for his senior year...UNLESS you are talking about the #4 overall pick - or #21 for that matter.
It's like taking Mike Junkin - the DUKE LBer - early in the draft. A linebacker from DUKE? Yeah...it's possible. But one better be darn sure before burning a top pick on a guy playing that position from that school.
I do not see ANYTHING in RGIII as an NFL QB that would make me take him at #4 overall - let alone higher than that. If he played at LSU or Alabama and suddenly was unstoppable in the conference - even if only for his senior year - then I would be more inclined to take the chance. But Baylor? Hell no.
The fact that these guys are from BAYLOR only makes me less inclined to take the risk because they SHOULD look good playing in THAT conference.
If he looked like the next coming of Elway/Manning and played at a D2 school I wouldn't care where he went to school. However, he is clearly not the next Elway/Manning. In my opinion, I think he is the next Troy Smith...except he shined on a stage at BAYLOR.
All that said, it's easier to say this:
A QB and WR from Baylor in the first round? No thanks.
Right there with you WSU Willie.
I cannot stand that combination.
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So... we should only draft SEC quarterbacks?
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Sorry all, didn't mean to start a draft a new QB thread. Just giving possibilities as to who I thought could be available at our potential draft spots. And 'Yes' I would like to see another Minnifield in a Browns uni.
But going back to Willie's logic, he's not in favor of drafting two players in the first round from Baylor as I was just throwing a couple of players who I think are good skill players who could be available at specific projected spots. You just have to remember that Heckert traded up to draft Phil Taylor last year and guess where he was from? That's right, Baylor!
I'm not pimping RGIII, but think it's possible that Heckert feels that based on last years performance that there are more glaring needs on offense over defense and if he thinks RGIII is his BPA, than that's the way he may go.
Heckert will do what's best for this team.
And the next head coach is ......
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i know i would really hate to get a QB and WR that already have a good on-field chemistry. That could be disastrous.
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I would take him in the second but i doubt he makes it past the bucs they need like 2 CBs
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NFL Combine notebook: Chase Minnifield wants to outdo his father By Marla Ridenour Beacon Journal sports columnist Published: February 26, 2012 - 11:45 PM INDIANAPOLIS: University of Virginia cornerback Chase Minnifield has his father’s facial features, his mannerisms and his penchant for studying receivers on his laptop. But Minnifield’s goal is to be better than his father, Frank, a four-time Pro Bowler who played the same position for the Browns from 1984 to 1992. “It pushes me every day,” Chase Minnifield said Sunday at the NFL Scouting Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. “Everybody tells me I won’t be, so it’s good fuel.” Measuring 5-foot-10› and 183 pounds, Minnifield is ranked as the 54th best player by NFLDraftScout.com, but a fourth- or fifth-round pick by Pro Football Weekly. He wouldn’t mind finding himself in Cleveland trying to surpass his father’s success in the league. “That would be an awesome situation,” he said. “I wouldn’t be trying to carry on what my father [did]. I’d try to make my own thing. “My goal is to do more than what my dad did. He never got to the Super Bowl with the Browns, so that would be something I would try to do.” Chase knows it would be tough to surpass his father’s hero status with Browns fans. “My dad is a rock star in Cleveland. And it’s real,” he said. It’s real right down to Frank Minnifield’s muscular calves. “Everybody from Cleveland always checks my calves. I guess they’re kind of legendary,” Chase said. Frank Minnifield teamed with Hanford Dixon to form the Browns’ “Corner Brothers,” immortalized on a poster of “Top Dawg” and “Mighty Minnie.” Chase said there are still several of those around the house in Lexington, Ky. “I’m not tired of hearing it. That’s what I grew up in,” Chase said. “My dad barks every time he comes to Cleveland, so it’s not nothing new.” If he needs a second opinion about technical aspects of his game, Chase sometimes calls Dixon. But when asked who was a better player, Chase said, “My dad. He’d kill me if I said something different.” Chase is inspired by his father, who started his post-football life in real estate but is now focused on Toyota manufacturing. Last year he was elected chairman of the board of his alma mater, the University of Louisville. “My dad is what I would call a true rags-to-riches story,” Chase said. “From what he’s doing now from where he came from, he’s a true inspiration. Nothing was given to him.” 
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I would love it if we grabbed him in the 4th or 5th, and I'd love it even more if he plays well enough to stick for the long haul. It'd be a great feel-good story, and it'd be cool to have a bit of "legacy" on the team 
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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no kidding...
imagine if we grabbed the Matthews brothers.
that would be one heck of a lb core.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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imagine if we grabbed the Matthews brothers.
that would be one heck of a lb core.
Clay Matthews for sure ...... but what has Casey Matthews done so far? He certainly hasn't made anywhere near the same impact his brother has.
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starting for Philly as a 4th rounder is pretty darn good
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He was benched after three games because he was not good. NFL.com Game Log-Casey Matthews
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starting for Philly as a 4th rounder is pretty darn good
37 tackles and 1 sack (and that sack came in a game where his team got 8 total) ..... not so much.
Also, I think that he only started the first few games, didn't he?
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Minnifield measured 2 inches shorter than listed on schools website..
He wont be here in Cleveland no way.. we are getting Claiborne.. sign and seal that one.
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He wont be here in Cleveland no way.. we are getting Claiborne.. sign and seal that one.
That's a possibility for sure, but I would love to see Chase Minnifield on the board at #68 a long with other prospects I covet in round 3, like RT Mitchell Schwartz, WLB Travis Lewis, DE Cam Johnson and QB Brandon Weeden.
Assuming we haven't traded the pick away.
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