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"they make a certain amout of sense given our lack of depth and limited ops to draft players to step in even as a back up on day one"
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" none of these contract signings mean squat until last cut before the season starts"
JMO, but these statements cut to the chase of the matter. Remember that Butler was claimed off waivers and Chambers cut right before the season? Butler made Chambers and Dorsey expendable. That is how you build depth on a roster. Signing players in March that eventually get cut in August is part of that process. Cannon fodder is about right
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One more thing. I find people much more credible if they sometimes have a positive reaction to one of the Brown's moves and sometimes have a negative reaction.
Well I know you're not talking about me after I changed the subject line of the Linemen thread to Savage doesn't get it. 
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some of you people are totally overreacting about this stiff arm thing with KK and William Green. So, does that mean you wouldn't sign Joey Porter becasuse of what Winslow did to him? I am not comparing the two but come on....if Savage brings him in for a look than so be it. I rather have Russell back no doubt but that's not gonna happen. Move on and see what happens. If he is a back up than fine. Russell obviously wanted a better contract than Cleveland was willing to give so KK might be an option for back up.
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Does anybody here think all savage is dong is putting pressure on Cinci's FO, We have Smith to an offer sheet, Kaesvih. is just visiting, Cinci's wondering how much they have to dish out and if they keep thier players, He's just here for a visit, talk, have a drink have dinner, nothing more yet, It's like having me over to your house, just becuase I drink your beer and eat your food dosen't mean you'll ask to live with ya.... 
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Ahh, sorry I should have resized that pic. I just wanted to get that feeling of "Oops here we go again!"out of my system.Thanks Ref. 
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comparing the skill level of Kaes to that of Porter is a stretch to say the least (and I hate Porter enough that it pains me to give him that much credit).
I would sincerely rather have Earl Little back and it has nothing to do with that stiff arm (though it is still funny to recall it). When that is the case, I'm pretty confident that Kaes has nothing to offer us that is worthwhile. Kaes is of the caliber that it requires his best efforts and a good day to be average. For the Bengals, that's not bad from an Undrafted player. For us, that's not a wise investment in a free agent.
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Ahh, sorry I should have resized that pic. I just wanted to get that feeling of "Oops here we go again!"out of my system.Thanks Ref.
Lets try this one.. I think it should be sized right.. hope so anyways..
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LOL...That's who I thought this dude was...
WTF is Savage doing with a Safety???...Hamilton's here...Lose Russell...No biggie...Pool's ready...Or at least he's gonna find out real quick like that he's gonna HAVE TO BE...lol...
Forget the damned Safeties...And don't even THINK about drafting one Savage...
Get Mahan's ass in here...And either Smith or Scott with this dude we signed from Cincy...
WE NEED DL...
And how bout' gettin' HOOD in here Savage...We need a damn Corner after losing Clements...And NO DRAFTED Corner will do squat for this team for at least 2 years...
I wonder how high we are on Minter that we're treating the Corner thing so lightly...
I'd feel ALOT better if we went into the season with Bodden/Hood/Minter/Holly than I would Bodden/Holly/Minter...And a draft pick...
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WTF is Savage doing with a Safety???...Hamilton's here...Lose Russell...No biggie...Pool's ready...Or at least he's gonna find out real quick like that he's gonna HAVE TO BE...lol
Who do we have outside of Pool, Jones and Hamilton at safety? We need to add a 4th as a reserve in case someone gets injured. Pool and Jones are going to start, Hamilton will back up Jones, we need someone to backup Pool. Kaesviharn is a mediocre player but he would be a decent reserve and would probably be a pretty minor cap hit. I would prefer Savage bring in a mediocre vet to play backup FS rather than waisting a pick on it.
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Who do we have outside of Pool, Jones and Hamilton at safety? We need to add a 4th as a reserve in case someone gets injured.
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J/C Regarding the infamous stiff arm. I'm sure William stiffed this guys, it's the one thing he was really good at if he got past the line of scrimmage, but the time he jacked the defender off the ground with one hand and planted him in the dirt, I thought that was an Atlanta Falcon??? is my memory shot already 
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I don't see a need to be spending free agent dollars for the bottom of the roster. We have one position group completely rounded out by draft picks ( )... let's keep it that way
I see it differently. We're not going to be spending big FA dollars on a guy like Kaesiharn, he can be had a cheap price. It's not like signing this guy would cost us getting Adalius Thomas or Kris Dielman or something. I would prefer to spend a 2nd day draft pick on a lineman rather than a free safety. We need help in the trenches more than anywhere else on this team and every now and then teams can find a good player on the 2nd day. If we get lucky doing that, I would prefer it be a lineman rather than a position where we have two young talents like Pool and Jones. Plus if we go the UDFA route, the guy may be forced to play if Pool were to get hurt and he probably would not be good enough to step in and play right away. Kaesviharn (while mediocre) would be able to.
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comparing the skill level of Kaes to that of Porter is a stretch to say the least (and I hate Porter enough that it pains me to give him that much credit).
I would sincerely rather have Earl Little back and it has nothing to do with that stiff arm (though it is still funny to recall it). When that is the case, I'm pretty confident that Kaes has nothing to offer us that is worthwhile. Kaes is of the caliber that it requires his best efforts and a good day to be average. For the Bengals, that's not bad from an Undrafted player. For us, that's not a wise investment in a free agent.
If you read the post correctly, I said I was not comparing them that way.
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wait, is this the guy that William Green LIFTED OFF THE GROUND when he stiff armed him? We have to not get this guy then!
yeah he was... Green had a mean stiff arm... he did it to ray ray too... regardless we need to find a guy who is better dept IMHO.
someone to compete with hammy for time would make them both better players.
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Not for nothing, but yeah, this is the guy that Green stiff armed,,, Where's Green playing now? for what it's worth, KK is still playing,, and Like I said, if he's cheap enough, then what does it hurt?
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LOL............and I get it too. Some of you guys act like every move he makes is golden. That's probably why we were 6 and 10 and 4 and 12 the last two years. That's probably why we had to fire a slew of coaches. All those genius moves. 
I never said I think every move he makes is golden. But I guess that's easy for you to say when you take one sentence from a body of posts so you can make this "point". This as become your stock reply to anyone who thinks he's a decent GM. And neither he nor his "genius moves" had anything to do with any of the coaches that were fired.
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I was not replying to you in my original post. I simply stated that I didn't think Kae was good and I hoped we didn't sign him. Of course, you felt the need to tell me how I should think. I was not trying to change your opinion on the move, I was just stating my own.
Revisionist history doesn't work when you can go back in time and see the truth. You're first post in this thread was a reply to me. When I responded, I wasn't telling you how to think, I simply said I could understand the move. Sorry you couldn't tell the difference. I didn't say you were trying to change my opinion either, and don't consider it a "move". As I stated before, it's just a visit. I thought we were having a discussion about it, but apparantly that doesn't work for you unless it turns adversarial and confrontational because someone doesn't immediately just agree with you and move on.
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Gee, I can't wait for Norm Crosby to come on here and lay into me for having a negative thought about bringing in Kae. 
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One more thing. I find people much more credible if they sometimes have a positive reaction to one of the Brown's moves and sometimes have a negative reaction. If someone says each move sucks, I find it hard to take them seriously. And I find it hard to take someone seriously if they think each move is great. But......that's just me.
I find people much more credible if they're open to hearing other opinions rather than just attempting to belittle someone if they disagree. I find it hard to take someone seriously when they make blanket, unfactual statements about others to somehow make themselves look like they know what they're talking about. But that's just me.
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Not for nothing, but yeah, this is the guy that Green stiff armed,,, Where's Green playing now? for what it's worth, KK is still playing,, and Like I said, if he's cheap enough, then what does it hurt?
if you bring in better quality depth then you have a better quality team... I know it's pretty obvious  I'm sure there are better players out there that have more of an upside then him to bring in. if we just get complacent with our depth... and someone gets hut we will be asking for trouble. I'd rather have the best players we can as deep as we can. JMHO
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wait, is this the guy that William Green LIFTED OFF THE GROUND when he stiff armed him? We have to not get this guy then!
Yeah, that's exactly who it is. Everytime I hear Kaesviharn's name, I think of that play. Greatest stiff arm I've ever seen. Yeah, he's garbage. I don't want any part of him.
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Kaesviharn is decent. 6 INT's as a backup doesn't come often. Wouldn't mind him coming atleast comepeting for the starting job with Pool, and mentor him as a veteran with Russell being gone...
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I'm pretty sure the story says "visits". To read this thread you would think we were definately signing this guy. Lots of players visit, only a few sign.
As for kaesviharn, I'm with Vers, the guy sucks. I watched quite a few Bengals games on sunday ticket, and when he played he was bad.
As a fourth safety and very little money, I would bring him into camp. From what I saw of him he probably wouldn't even make the team.
Those who compare him to Russel are goofy. Russel on a bad day is way better than this stiff.
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I'm pretty sure the story says "visits". To read this thread you would think we were definately signing this guy. Lots of players visit, only a few sign.
As for kaesviharn, I'm with Vers, the guy sucks. I watched quite a few Bengals games on sunday ticket, and when he played he was bad.
As a fourth safety and very little money, I would bring him into camp. From what I saw of him he probably wouldn't even make the team.
Those who compare him to Russel are goofy. Russel on a bad day is way better than this stiff.
This is what bothers me about this move.
I think most of us would rather have Russell any day of the week.
If the thought process was to bring Kae in if we lost Russell, then why not just resign Russell. In my mind, this is a serious dropoff.
I have not seen the terms of Russell's contract with the Hawks, but he wanted to be here. Seems like we could have gotten something done that would have been fair to both sides.
And if Russell gets beat out by Pool in camp, all the better for the depth of our secondary.
I really hope we don't sign Kae. Where I think Savage has had a pretty decent offseason, I think this would knock it down several notches.
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And if Russell gets beat out by Pool in camp, all the better for the depth of our secondary.
I have no idea if this has been said on this thread, but if we sign Russell to a sizeable contract (which it would have to be in order to keep him here, no matter how much he "wanted" to stay), that would be silly for us to then have him as an expensive backup.
If Kaesviharn comes here, I almost see it as a short-term plug and backup while Pool gets some experience. Kaesviharn isn't the greatest player, but he's a veteran, so he can help in that way.
Anyway, he just visited. That doesn't mean we're going to sign the guy.
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But when a player visits, were that much more interested in him, or we forget the player altogether.
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I understand that because he visited, that shows we have some interest in him. However, it doesn't mean he's definitely going to sign with us or anything. We may have brought him in because we want to sign him, or we may have brought him in just to pick his brain about the Bengals, who knows? I see it as us covering all the bases and not leaving too many stones unturned. That's all.
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I understand that because he visited, that shows we have some interest in him. However, it doesn't mean he's definitely going to sign with us or anything. We may have brought him in because we want to sign him, or we may have brought him in just to pick his brain about the Bengals, who knows? I see it as us covering all the bases and not leaving too many stones unturned. That's all.
To me it's less about whether or not we sign him.
It's the fact that he visited. It reveals the thought process behind the 'what if' of losing Russell.
That's what I have the most heartache with. I know what you're saying about signing Russell to be a backup.
But I just think a better move for the short to mid-term health of this franchise (and for getting us back on the winning track) would have been to re-sign Russell and if he becomes an expensive backup, so be it. It wouldn't be that way forever.
I just don't like the the thought process behind this one. It's as if Savage and Co. planned to bring in Kae if they lost Russell when I think they should have been thinking about finding a place on the team for him at the right price.
Maybe that's being naive, but I think it could have gotten done. Not to mention the fact that Pool gave really no indication last year that he can play as as or better than Russell.
So what's so bad about paying a little bit extra for an insurance policy?
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I still think it's a non-move and you're worked up over nothing.
Cinci is currently negotiating with Kaes and we just had an offer sheet signed with Smith. If we show interest in Kaes, his agent has a little leverage to jack up the price a bit, that in turn helps us be assured of getting Smith. Note that it all came about within a very, very short timeframe. I don't think it's coincidence.
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I still think it's a non-move and you're worked up over nothing.
Who me? Never...
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Cinci is currently negotiating with Kaes and we just had an offer sheet signed with Smith. If we show interest in Kaes, his agent has a little leverage to jack up the price a bit, that in turn helps us be assured of getting Smith. Note that it all came about within a very, very short timeframe. I don't think it's coincidence.
Well, that certainly sounds plausible. Although I have no idea why Cinci would want to work so hard to keep him unless they feel they have limited options at safety.
But if we end up signing Kae, I'll be pissed, and yes, I will get even more worked up. 
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I get it and I think the rest of the board gets it, you like the guy.
Posting a play of his is not going to change my mind. I don't want him.
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I never said I like the guy... check out my posts more closely... and I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, in fact I was just clicking on your post, hence the j/c. I just put the vid here because it applies to the discussion and it was a crazy sick hit... you like crazy sick hits, don't you? Personally, I don't care if we get the guy or not, but as I said before, I would understand if we did.
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Replying to everyone.... You guys sure don't know much about Football looking at this thread.  Go over to the Cincy board and see what they feel about this guy. He's a tough kid that has gotten better as of late. He IS a playmaker when he's on the field. The guy is someone who will grow on you because of his commitment. Some of you would make horrible GMs Good move Phil!
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You guys sure don't know much about Football looking at this thread.
Go over to the Cincy board and see what they feel about this guy.
He's a tough kid that has gotten better as of late. He IS a playmaker when he's on the field. The guy is someone who will grow on you because of his commitment.
Some of you would make horrible GMs
Good move Phil!
If the guys on this board or any other team's board knew as much as we think we know, we'd probably be working in the NFL under some capacity. Saying people are wrong about a guy because average Joes on that team's message board say different is a silly reason to say people are wrong...IMO.
They probably also like him because he had 6 picks last year. I'm not impressed by that just like I wasn't all that impressed with Holly's picks. I've watched the guy play, and I'm just not impressed and would rather not sign him.
The guys on the Bengals' message board aren't going to change my mind.
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You guys sure don't know much about Football looking at this thread.
Go over to the Cincy board and see what they feel about this guy.
He's a tough kid that has gotten better as of late. He IS a playmaker when he's on the field. The guy is someone who will grow on you because of his commitment.
Some of you would make horrible GMs
Good move Phil!
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You guys sure don't know much about Football looking at this thread.
Go over to the Cincy board and see what they feel about this guy.
He's a tough kid that has gotten better as of late. He IS a playmaker when he's on the field. The guy is someone who will grow on you because of his commitment.
Some of you would make horrible GMs
Good move Phil!
And you think you know everything by reading a Bengal message board!?
I live in Cincinnati. Half my friends are Bengal fans. All of them hated seing Kaesviharn on the field. The guy is terrible.
And you say great move? He just brough the guy in.
Don't question my football knowledge with a stupid post like that.
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You guys sure don't know much about Football looking at this thread.
Go over to the Cincy board and see what they feel about this guy.
He's a tough kid that has gotten better as of late. He IS a playmaker when he's on the field. The guy is someone who will grow on you because of his commitment.
Some of you would make horrible GMs
Good move Phil!
And you think you know everything by reading a Bengal message board!?
I live in Cincinnati. Half my friends are Bengal fans. All of them hated seing Kaesviharn on the field. The guy is terrible.
And you say great move? He just brough the guy in.
Don't question my football knowledge with a stupid post like that.
I question everybody's knowledge except for a few on these boards. Very few!
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So, you are saying Bengal's fans are smarter than Brown's fans?  Get the [censored] outta here.
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FYI, here is what ESPn says about him:
Kaesviharn played quite a bit for injured starting strong safety Dexter Jackson and made a lot of big plays this past year. He is also able to play free safety, but really isn't an ideal fit in either spot because he doesn't have the ideal range for free safety or the ideal power and run-stopping ability for strong safety, but he simply makes a lot of plays. Near the end of the season, with the Bengals' starting safeties healthy, he ended up in a rotation because he was so productive as a fill-in starter. He is an unselfish team player who is very smart and absolutely gets the most out of his abilities, which certainly are not spectacular. He works hard on and off the field to make up for his lack of elite natural tools. He is very quick to diagnose and react, without taking many false steps or biting on play action or misdirection. Kaesviharn has excellent hands for the interception, reads the quarterback well and has fine ball skills. He is tall with a good frame for the safety position. He is also a very good special teams player and the type of guy who can help a football team in many ways. He is a reliable tackler who understands leverage well, but isn't a physical hitter or blow up tackler. He is limited in man-to-man coverage against very fast or lightning quick receiving options. He isn't very fluid or abrupt when changing directions and will get too high at times. He may have reached his peak and maxed out his skills. He also missed two games last year with a knee injury, but is generally considered a durable player. Kaesviharn is a bit of an enigma, as he is not big and strong enough to consistently play in the box or athletic or fast enough for free safety, but he also is the type of player that you simply cannot get off the field.
IMO he sounds like a guy I would want on my team, especially as a back-up. I would like this signing more than the Wright and Peek signings.
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Thanks, imformative post
but from that report, he sounds like Russell.........so why did we not resign Russell, who is familiar with our team/players, IF we are going to sign this guy?
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