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Im all for giving Childress a shot....he was decent in Minn and in Philly.....he can't be any worse then Shurmur calling plays last year.
I actually think this was a good hire by Holmgren...he has brought in a guy with experience that has had past success...that can only help our team as a whole.
Even though im not a big fan of this current Ffront Office, they deserve the length of their contract(another 3 years) to see if they can turn this ship around....
i just want to win, I think childress will help in that regard...we have cap money and a good draft position...we should make strides next year....we just gotta be patient, stay the course and hope to win.
i think this is a good hire.
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It's the "Packer Way" for everyone involved to have a voice in matters relating to their experience. They will solicit advice and opinions from the entire group as it relates to their experience. They will leave no stone unturned and no opinion unconsidered.
There is no dictator or know-it-all. There are decision makers with final say whomever they may be concerning different issues but all the thinking is not done by that one mind.
I highly suggest everyone read "The Packer Way" by Ron Wolf. It gives great insight into the way they dug that franchise out of a losing culture and built a team that still is in contention each season. They went from laughable awful to two super bowls winning one of them while Holmgren was still there. They continue to be highly competitive all the way to winning the Superbowl last season.
Holmgren ran Seattle under the same policy and guidelines and took them to a super bowl.
Now the Browns are being run under the same policy and guidelines.
Read the book. I bought one used from Amazon for like $2.50 plus shipping. Reading that will stop a lot of speculating, conjuring of conspiracies and questions. Wolf lays it all out there for all to see.
I can't tell you that I know what will happen or what decisions they will make going forward. But after reading the book I've not been too surprised by anything they've done as it seems to be pretty much by the book.
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Chilly coached at the East west game, so his input into players practice habits and ability to grasp his offense will be sought.
Saying the above statement does not imply that Childress would not have anything to add to the table, but he is not "critical" in the process.
To imply this I think undermines Heckert and his scouting department, who he relies heavily on to make those decisions. Furthermore decisions such as what their plans are with Hillis is probably already a foregone conclusion either way. I'm sure they no what figures they want to spend and are willing to offer and a OC has no hand in the dealings with contracts.
OH Come on Fl
Heckert, Shurmur and Chilly have known each other for years and years. They come from a very successfull program run by a Holmgren diciple
If you think they won't take his thoughts seriously, you are smoking some seriously bad weed man..
They brought him in as OC.. While the principle job description is to run the O, it doesn't mean they won't count on his thoughts about free agents and draft picks.
They will listen, they will take his knowledge and put it to good use.
And what I've maintained from the start of our little Minibattle here is that they didn't hire him to sit on a shelf.. he'll be included..
But no, he won't make the final decisions.. that's not his job..
To quote big Mike ... "It's Tom's show"
And the point that seems to be lost in translation here is the fact that he already has plans laid.
Childress is coming into the process at a very late date.
Heckert takes input from his head Coach and he would be negligent not to. (Imo)
I think Childress was a good hire, but he was brought in to help out the offensive Coaching duties and I think that is where his head will be and I think that he will offer his advice or opinion when asked.
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"you are smoking some seriously bad weed man.."
You say that as tho it's a bad thing
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You say that as tho it's a bad thing
Ok,, you do have a point there 
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Chilly coached at the East west game, so his input into players practice habits and ability to grasp his offense will be sought.
Saying the above statement does not imply that Childress would not have anything to add to the table, but he is not "critical" in the process.
To imply this I think undermines Heckert and his scouting department, who he relies heavily on to make those decisions. Furthermore decisions such as what their plans are with Hillis is probably already a foregone conclusion either way. I'm sure they no what figures they want to spend and are willing to offer and a OC has no hand in the dealings with contracts.
OH Come on Fl
Heckert, Shurmur and Chilly have known each other for years and years. They come from a very successfull program run by a Holmgren diciple
If you think they won't take his thoughts seriously, you are smoking some seriously bad weed man..
They brought him in as OC.. While the principle job description is to run the O, it doesn't mean they won't count on his thoughts about free agents and draft picks.
They will listen, they will take his knowledge and put it to good use.
And what I've maintained from the start of our little Minibattle here is that they didn't hire him to sit on a shelf.. he'll be included..
But no, he won't make the final decisions.. that's not his job..
To quote big Mike ... "It's Tom's show"
And the point that seems to be lost in translation here is the fact that he already has plans laid.
Childress is coming into the process at a very late date.
Heckert takes input from his head Coach and he would be negligent not to. (Imo)
I think Childress was a good hire, but he was brought in to help out the offensive Coaching duties and I think that is where his head will be and I think that he will offer his advice or opinion when asked.
There is no question that it's Toms show.. I think that's been made damn clear.
ANY GM worth a plug nickle takes input from wherever he finds it. And he'd be negligent not to. that means, everyone on staff.. Scouts, position coaches, OC, DC, HC, ST coach and in this case, the president of the team given his skill set.
To sit here and say,, Heckert has his plan in place, probably true.. but to sit there and tell me he won't change it if Chilly says something that makes him think twice is just like saying Heckert isn't any better at this than Butch Davis.
And if that's the case, we in for a long long trip down miserable lane.... And that I just don't even want to consider.. don't wanna wrap my mind around that.
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Viewing this spat between you and FL,is like watching my neighbor's wife thru the bedroom window,camaflouged,lying in the weeds with my binoculars.It placates my vouyeristic urges but does nothing for my quest of sexual knowledge.
If both of you go back and read what the other has written,you'll find that each of you are saying the same thing,just in a different way.
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Viewing this spat between you and FL,is like watching my neighbor's wife thru the bedroom window,camaflouged,lying in the weeds with my binoculars.It placates my vouyeristic urges but does nothing for my quest of sexual knowledge.
So ...... that's how you spend the off-season?
I had no idea ....... 
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Viewing this spat between you and FL,is like watching my neighbor's wife thru the bedroom window,camaflouged,lying in the weeds with my binoculars.It placates my vouyeristic urges but does nothing for my quest of sexual knowledge.
If both of you go back and read what the other has written,you'll find that each of you are saying the same thing,just in a different way.
Kinda. the difference is, Fl thinks that the plan is set and Chilly will have no input.. I disagree..
that's the crux of the matter..
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"you are smoking some seriously bad weed man.."
You say that as tho it's a bad thing
Smoking bad weed is bad, smoking good weed isn't 
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Viewing this spat between you and FL,is like watching my neighbor's wife thru the bedroom window,camaflouged,lying in the weeds with my binoculars.It placates my vouyeristic urges but does nothing for my quest of sexual knowledge.
If both of you go back and read what the other has written,you'll find that each of you are saying the same thing,just in a different way.
Kinda. the difference is, Fl thinks that the plan is set and Chilly will have no input.. I disagree..
that's the crux of the matter..
Getting down to this little peeing contest .......
I think that everyone on the coaching staff will have some input ...... but Heckert has already said that his board is set, and only minor changes will take place from here out. He has said that he puts more weight into what a guy does during the season than he does what that guy does when he is done playing football as a college player. A guy might hurt himself with an abysmal performance at a combine or something ...... but I really do think that Heckert already has a pretty good idea who he wants ...... and the only questions will be stuff like when a team brings a QB in to talk to them, and gauge their NFL acumen and have them diagnose plays and such. I do think that a prospect could help/hurt himself in this arena.
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This hire does nothing for me.
We have all this experience in the FO and Coaching Staff now, so it would be nice to see some 500+ seasons. Personally I don't think Shurmur has a chance of doing that, IMHO he is Holmgren's big fail.
By the end of next season we'll be looking for a new HC.
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Viewing this spat between you and FL,is like watching my neighbor's wife thru the bedroom window,camaflouged,lying in the weeds with my binoculars.It placates my vouyeristic urges but does nothing for my quest of sexual knowledge.
If both of you go back and read what the other has written,you'll find that each of you are saying the same thing,just in a different way.
Kinda. the difference is, Fl thinks that the plan is set and Chilly will have no input.. I disagree..
that's the crux of the matter..
Getting down to this little peeing contest .......
I think that everyone on the coaching staff will have some input ...... but Heckert has already said that his board is set, and only minor changes will take place from here out. He has said that he puts more weight into what a guy does during the season than he does what that guy does when he is done playing football as a college player. A guy might hurt himself with an abysmal performance at a combine or something ...... but I really do think that Heckert already has a pretty good idea who he wants ...... and the only questions will be stuff like when a team brings a QB in to talk to them, and gauge their NFL acumen and have them diagnose plays and such. I do think that a prospect could help/hurt himself in this arena.
So, do you then believe that if RG3 isn't in the plans as they are now, and Chilly says,,, but Tom, he's the guy, he's the one that can take us to the top.. that Tom wouldn't look at that? Maybe change his thinking.
Keep in mind, Chilly can't say, "he's the man" and not offer sound reasoning why.. otherwise heckert won't change his thinking.
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I think Tom would probably respond simply by saying "Tavaris Jackson".
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J/C. Well so far the "trifecta of failure" is heading right down 5-11 alley as planned. I do not like the hire.( No. I do not have a better option) I agree we needed a OC. But I do not dig the changes that most everyone seems to agree on, are the things that will make our Browns win in this division. I hope and pray that Childress helps bring success to the Facotry of Sadness. He has not been very succesfull when he has not had someone hold his hand. This is no different than starting all over again IMO. Especially if we bring in RG3 and let go of Hillis. Another green QB learning a new system, With no RB and no blocking. This whole "rebuilding" started going south when the new powers that be started messing with the stuff that was not broken. Stop fixing the wrong stuff! Just my humble opinion. I will always be a Browns fan. But if all of this comes to pass before the season starts. I see another long year of lame.( It was in the cards)  Please for the love of God! Get us a blocking fullback. BEG Vickers to come back!! Or shake some sense into Marecic I do not care how. Just do it. Get some playmakers in the WR corps! Possibly a vet? Or in the very least someone who can seperate from defenders in his timing route. Get the O-line working consistantly as a unit. Get 1 STUD linebacker! And then GAMEPLAN + ADJUSTMENTS. I do not ask for the world. But eveyone who thinks getting a QB is the answer is just falling into the same lameness we have been seeing since the Browns left. I may just spend my Sundays looking at the scores after the games are over. But it is hard to not look at a train wreck too.  See y'all on on draftday. 
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LOL,, maybe.. OK,, let's switch that up.. RG3 is the guy heckert plans on at 4. Chilly comes in and says.. Hey,, he's wonderful..
Does Tom still think of Tavaris Jackson
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He might take a 2nd look at a guy if one of his coaches was arguing passionately for the guy. However, I do not think that Heckert is a guy who has his board fluctuate a great deal. I think that he trusts the process he has in place.
I think that Childress will help more by helping evaluate the players currently on the team ..... with one more set of eyes seeing players based on their value in the same system. Perhaps he might see a young player on another team that other people have missed. This is where I think he will be most valuable. He is one more set of eyes with the same player values.
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Probably. I'm sure Tom is quite capable of forming his own opinions of potential draftees, and I doubt that, if he weren't sold on a player, Childress's input would do much to sway him (nor do I think that he would suddenly dismiss a potential player that he liked because Childress didn't like him).
The book on Heckert's drafting is still an open one. At this point it looks to be pretty good (I'm not going to be quick to hail him as the drafting genius that some on here seem to think he is), but for better or worse I believe it will be a book largely written by Heckert and Heckert alone, with the occasional contributions of his colleagues.
As for Childress, at this point I view him as little more than a control freak and an egomaniac. I think he's getting an awful lot of credit for successes that were largely the result of having tremendous talent, something the roster he's inheriting is devoid of at present. Hopefully he dispels that notion during his time in Cleveland.
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I find it funny that Childress has been successful as an OC, yet many think he hasn't due to his last year as a HC. His first couple years as HC he had winning seasons. IMO this is all just a case of many fans thinking they know things they don't.
He didn't call the plays in Philly, but Reid himself said in the interveiw above that he had input, as did Shurmur. IMO coachs that call their own plays have to be relying on their OC for input. The gameplan is made using the whole coaching staff. Those that think these head coaches that call their own plays don't have input from coordinators are fooling themselves.
Childress has a ton of knowledge in this offense, and is a quality coach. His hiring is a major move by the organization. This "playcalling" squabble being brought up by the fans and the media is rediculous. I have to wonder if all those drops were caught, and the first downs were obtained, if Steinbach would have been available to pull and lead the runner, if Hillis would have been healthy, and Watson would have remained healthy, if the playcalling would have looked different.
It is easy to sit at home and claim you can call better plays, but you are looking at the situation after the fact. Playcalling is overrated, and is used here for furthering agendas. All coaches call bad plays at times. Many times the wrong playcall turns out to work and they are looked at as geniuses. Many times the "right" play is called and the defense stops it, does that make it a bad call?
Unless you've stood on the sidelines and actually called plays during a game, IMO you have no ideas what is a right or wrong call. Shurmur almost beat a far more superior team in the Steelers with his "lame" playcalling, but that doesn't fit the agendas of many so it is not talked about.
If the right talent is acquired, the experience we now have on the coaching staff will erase all these lame excuses to bash the staff.
When a play works, it works, when it doesn't it doesn't. The ones that do are looked at as good call the others aren't. It is just that simple.
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I find it funny that Childress has been successful as an OC, yet many think he hasn't due to his last year as a HC. His first couple years as HC he had winning seasons. IMO this is all just a case of many fans thinking they know things they don't.
He didn't call the plays in Philly, but Reid himself said in the interveiw above that he had input, as did Shurmur. IMO coachs that call their own plays have to be relying on their OC for input. The gameplan is made using the whole coaching staff. Those that think these head coaches that call their own plays don't have input from coordinators are fooling themselves.
Childress has a ton of knowledge in this offense, and is a quality coach. His hiring is a major move by the organization. This "playcalling" squabble being brought up by the fans and the media is rediculous. I have to wonder if all those drops were caught, and the first downs were obtained, if Steinbach would have been available to pull and lead the runner, if Hillis would have been healthy, and Watson would have remained healthy, if the playcalling would have looked different.
It is easy to sit at home and claim you can call better plays, but you are looking at the situation after the fact. Playcalling is overrated, and is used here for furthering agendas. All coaches call bad plays at times. Many times the wrong playcall turns out to work and they are looked at as geniuses. Many times the "right" play is called and the defense stops it, does that make it a bad call?
Unless you've stood on the sidelines and actually called plays during a game, IMO you have no ideas what is a right or wrong call. Shurmur almost beat a far more superior team in the Steelers with his "lame" playcalling, but that doesn't fit the agendas of many so it is not talked about.
If the right talent is acquired, the experience we now have on the coaching staff will erase all these lame excuses to bash the staff.
When a play works, it works, when it doesn't it doesn't. The ones that do are looked at as good call the others aren't. It is just that simple.
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I find it funny that Childress has been successful as an OC, yet many think he hasn't due to his last year as a HC. His first couple years as HC he had winning seasons. IMO this is all just a case of many fans thinking they know things they don't.
It's a good thing that its "I[Y]O", because the facts will tell you that he didn't have a winning season in his first couple years as a head coach
In his first winning season, he had the offensive rookie of the year at wide receiver, the offensive rookie of the year from two years prior at running back, a HoF quarterback who posted one of the best statistical seasons of his career, an excellent pass catching tight end, arguably the NFL's best pass rusher at DE, one of the best DT combos in the league, and a Pro Bowl cornerback. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure we don't have any of that here in Cleveland.
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I think that Childress will help more by helping evaluate the players currently on the team ..... with one more set of eyes seeing players based on their value in the same system. Perhaps he might see a young player on another team that other people have missed. This is where I think he will be most valuable. He is one more set of eyes with the same player values.
I agree with that ... Also Childress is probably not as qualified as the 'new' guy to make those determinations at this point.
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I get the feeling that what worries some is that he's only been a playcaller one year. (reportedly his first in Minn).
Reid did that for Philly and Chilly hired an OC in Minn after his first year.
I don't know what's going to happen with playcalling., don't even wanna guess..
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Get us a blocking fullback. BEG Vickers to come back!!
Or shake some sense into Marecic I do not care how. Just do it.
Give Marecic time..... Vickers wasn't our starting FB when he was a rookie. Terrelle Smith was. Have some faith. I think Marecic will actually turn out to be a pretty darn good player........ Coming out of college, he was supposed to be very smart, a weight room nut, and one of the leaders of that Stanford team.
He was just a rookie last year, give him some time to adjust to the NFL
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I'll venture a guess.
Less than 50% of our plays willbe sucessful,those willbe the good plays called.
More than 50% of our plays will fail,those willbe the bad plays called.
That will put us at sligthly less than avg.next year.
The teams with good play callers willbe successful more than 50%of the time.
The teams with great playcallers,you know the ones that call play for Brady,Rodgers and Brees,wiil hit on about 60% of thier plays.
It's wierd,but the teams with the best talent also seem to have the best playcallers.
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Coming out of college, he was supposed to be very smart, a weight room nut, and one of the leaders of that Stanford team.
I'd guess that just about every player that comes out of Stanford is very smart. Being a "weight room nut" isn't really relevant to determining the caliber of football player that you'll become. Marecic is also a couple more concussions away from having his bell permanently rung.
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I don't know how to respond to that..
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I'll venture a guess.
Less than 50% of our plays willbe sucessful,those willbe the good plays called.
More than 50% of our plays will fail,those willbe the bad plays called.
That will put us at sligthly less than avg.next year.
The teams with good play callers willbe successful more than 50%of the time.
The teams with great playcallers,you know the ones that call play for Brady,Rodgers and Brees,wiil hit on about 60% of thier plays.
It's wierd,but the teams with the best talent also seem to have the best playcallers.
I agree, talent has a way of making their coordinator look like a genius or a goat.
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Marecic is also a couple more concussions away from having his bell permanently rung.
Agreed. I'd be willing to bet he's out of the NFL by the 2014 season.
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I'll venture a guess.
Less than 50% of our plays willbe sucessful,those willbe the good plays called.
More than 50% of our plays will fail,those willbe the bad plays called.
That will put us at sligthly less than avg.next year.
The teams with good play callers willbe successful more than 50%of the time.
The teams with great playcallers,you know the ones that call play for Brady,Rodgers and Brees,wiil hit on about 60% of thier plays.
It's wierd,but the teams with the best talent also seem to have the best playcallers.
Dude you are killing me today! Hilarious
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j/c
We hired Chilly as our OC, who has no real history of calling plays.
We have a head coach who loves to call the plays, as he said, "it's the fun part".
Does anyone really believe when we hired an OC with little to no play calling experience, it was a coincidence?
Does anyone really believe that Chilly will be making calls for anything more than takeout pizza?
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He might try to make some calls to trade or cut players without telling anyone else first.
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Viewing this spat between you and FL,is like watching my neighbor's wife thru the bedroom window,camaflouged,lying in the weeds with my binoculars.It placates my vouyeristic urges but does nothing for my quest of sexual knowledge.
If both of you go back and read what the other has written,you'll find that each of you are saying the same thing,just in a different way.
Most I have laughed in quite a while, Thanks. 
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A QueBee who is good at fleeing in panic is not a good lifestyle to build a playbook around. Scrambling is a plus, but hardly a good first option. I like it when the play is set up to go downfield vertically myself. This has been a rarity, but we might try it more often.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
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Plain Dealer Quote:
INDIANAPOLIS -- Former Eagles Super Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb strongly endorsed former Eagles assistant Brad Childress as the Browns' new offensive coordinator on Wednesday.
"I think he'll do a good job with Colt McCoy and the rest of the quarterbacks that he has," McNabb said Wednesday on Radio Row in Indianapolis. "He'll cater to their strengths and put [McCoy] in a great position. They have a lot of young talent. I'm sure they'll build the offense and defensive lines throughout the draft. That's sort of what Brad is all about. It's going to be a fun time for Brad and Pat [Shurmur] both."
McNabb went to four straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl with Childress as his quarterbacks coach and then his offensive coordinator. He went to three Pro Bowls with Childress as his position coach and three with Shurmur in that capacity.
"They'll do a great job together," McNabb said. "They're offensive-minded guys, so it will work out in Colt McCoy's favor this time, I hope."
Former Eagles Pro Bowl running back Brian Westbrook agreed that adding Childress was a good move.
"Brad is a very good coach," Westbrook said. "He knows defenses, he understands schemes, he understands personnel. He's a very cerebral type of guy, a guy that can get it done. I'm happy for Brad."
Westbrook, who played in the Eagles' loss to the Patriots in the Super Bowl following the 2004 season, said Childress would make a good play-caller if that's what Shurmur decides.
"In Philadelphia, he formulated the offense and he got the offense ready to go and that's what you expect from your offensive coordinator," Westbrook said. "I know he also called plays in Minnesota, so he has experience at it."
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Is McNabb looking for a job?
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i'm going to be less cynical and say it's good that these two long-time pros have something positive to say about our new OC.
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i'm going to be less cynical and say it's good that these two long-time pros have something positive to say about our new OC.
I agree.
At least they aren't making fun of the guy. 
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Is McNabb looking for a job?
He's looking for a buffet . . .
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I would not be surprised to see McNabb, Colt and our rookie QB in a 3 way competition in camp.
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