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ok, what is fair value for AV? I was thinking to get it we need to trade with a team that is statistically savvy on the defensive end. Portland, Houston, etc. have their own stat-keepers with defensive metrics.

Houston needs a big man and rebounding badly, so I would target them.

AV
Gibson

for

Budinger (he's better than Parsons but stuck on the bench at SF)
C.Lee (at SG, he still wants to attack, they want SGs who can sit and chuck 3s)
J.Hill (very undervalued to me, he contributes when called upon)
J.Flynn (needed to backup Irving so we can trade Sessions + to match salaries)

Houston also owns the Knicks 1st round pick, but I don't even think we need it to make this deal. We get 3 promising youngsters + a top10 pick that hasn't panned out to match salaries. We definitely ask for the Knicks pick and perhaps settle on adding a 2nd rounder.

Anyways, Houston gets their rebounder/defender for this year's run and Gibson gets to go to his hometown team and he fits their role for SGs (and Lee struggles with bigger SGs too so it's not like they are losing anything there).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vxdhrd

nice i was playing around with that and I cant find a way to use picks so just did this. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6sacl3s
I wouldnt make that trade but was fun together. :-)

I guess i should have said if I was the other teams. Here is another example that doesnt really help the lakers but shows them being even better.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86ppaoa

Again on this one I dont see the Lakers making the move but would be fun Ill try to plug in Turk and see if I can make something work. :-)

Oh this would defenitally get us a lottery pick http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7t58f57

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85osdzc

I'm ganna keep tinkering with this, But I'm a fan of it so far

i mean come on orlando, you're only 8 wins worse!

ok, sorry that makes more sense.

hey dont rain on our silly parade. its fun you should try it.

Forget all this trade machine nonsense

This is more fun.

nice Gee is really fun to watch at times no doubt!

I do like the nickname "Gee Force".

Alonzo "OH EM" GEE!!!

On a serious note ....... if Gee can get develop his shot from 12-15 feet, we might just have something there. he definitely has the athleticism to play the spot. He can dunk. He's a really solid defender. He just needs to be able to knock down a jumper with consistency.He doesn't have to be a 3 point shooter, but if he can get to a point where he can pull up and hit a jump shot he'll be even so much more effective ..... and could become a long term solution.

I live in L.A. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin both play in L.A. They are fun to watch every game. That is all.

Given that he was completely thrown under the bus by James I would have to give him a very solid A in both his moves, and his luck of the draw. (Getting the #1 overall in the Baron Davis trade, then being able to dump him under amnesty)

He has found a way to build up the second level players quite nicely while also working on adding plus starters. That is incredibly difficult to do when the team he inherited was built around a superstar, and had sold out much of their maneuverability in order to try to help that superstar. We now have a backup group that can hold their own with just about any other team's backups, and we will add at least one more "plus level" starter in this year's draft.

I think that he has done as good a job as anyone could have given the circumstances, and timing.

haha the ESPN trade machine posts are cracking me up.

Had a very late game last night that went into OT, came home and saw the dunk, daaaamn.

About 50% (give or take) of people on my twitter feed are nba fans, and almost everyone who was tweeting when I got home was talking about it.

Okay, just saw a replay of this dunk ... can I say this was as over-hyped as the Superman dunk? Sure he powered through Perkins and threw it in there, which is no-small feat, but it rattled through the hoop! That's not a dunk, that's a throw in!

Had I known this was considered a dunk, I would of been telling people I could dunk in college for years now. You know ... since I could get the ball in the hoop, while touching a finger or two to the rim! Who cares how much it rattled through in the process.

I'm watching that 3rd video and thinking how fun it would have been in that dunk would have hit Lebron in the head ....... followed by Gee's foot. (both of which came really close)

man between tristan and antwan, i can't pick who sucks more...there is no flow in this offense, its ugly

This team just has too many bad players that need to go.

Why did we trade for Jamison?

Because LeBron asked for him.

The emotional swings in this thread really amuse me.

leadtheway sounded like that when we were winning 60 games a year.

HEY! I resemble that remark. I won't lie, i have a love/hate relationship with the cavs. When we were winning, you could just tell that something was bound to go wrong, something not quite right..now even though I know we are supposed to suck because we don't have anyone, I find myself getting excited because there are glimpses of something, but we have soo many holes it seems like we are another 10 years away from anything..But i still watch every game and yell. Probably because we were so good for awhile. With the browns is just staring at the tv expecting crap. usually aren't disappointed .

With the Browns I'm guilty of being over-excited at that start of the season, mad when they lose the opener, not as mad when they are 2-4 after 6 games, and after that just flat out numb to the rest of it. I just loathe that point in the year when it seems like it'd be better if they just lost out so we would have a higher pick.

With the Cavs the only time I was ever really angry was the 2009 Magic series. The 2010 Celtics series I wasn't so much mad as I was just open-mouth shocked. Ya know? It was like your own mother taking a crow bar to your new car and laughing the entire time.

On a positive note: Kyrie Irving is currently the 15th most efficient player in the NBA with a PER of 22.68.

He is right behind Russell Westbrook and Dwyane Wade.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger...er%2fstatistics

Bud Shaw on Varejao and any potential trade ....

Value Anderson Varejao? Absolutely (especially in a trade): Bud Shaw's Sports Spin | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2012/02/value_anderson_varejao_absolut.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Confessions Of A Former Anderson Varejao Detractor...
I've called him a flopper, an overgrown soccer player. A figment of LeBron James' imagination because of the baskets James created for him. An undersized overachiever playing out of position at center.

Sideshow Andy, just a high energy bench guy on a good team.

Varejao is no longer any of those. He's more stout as a defender. He's improved his shot. Brad Childress would kill for a player with his hands.

So what comes next may surprise you.

I'd trade him. It would take more than a first-round draft pick, mind you. But somebody offers a young promising big man on top of a first-rounder (or more), I wait two days, hold a Varejao Wig Night and say, "Sold."

The deal would be for much different reasons than back when I wrongly doubted The Anderson Varejao Experience. His value, his friendly contract and the Cavs' stage of rebuilding are the ingredients for a Black Friday-style run on him as the trade deadline nears.

The Cavs have to swallow hard and listen harder.

He has never played better. He's money under the basket and at the turnstile but Kyrie Irving can carry the offense and the marquee. Not that keeping him doesn't make sense. It's just that maximizing assets now could have a trampoline effect when this team is good enough to challenge for a championship.

The Cavs spent the No. 4 pick on Tristan Thompson. Granted, his skills aren't identical and he's raw. But there's enough overlap. They made the commitment. They need to follow through on it.

Thompson, Irving, more high draft picks to fill other needs and a legitimate center is what's required to chase a title. Oh, and about three more years.

Varejao will be 32 in three seasons. For reasons that have nothing to do with the Dominican Republic and falsified visas, you can add two or three years of wear and tear. The way Varejao plays the game, when he goes he's going out like a demolition derby car. A big puff of smoke, then kaput.

The Cavs are in a great position because they don't have to move him and teams know it. His terrific season has driven up the price to the point where it'd be bad business to declare him off limits.

I know I've been wrong about him before. But the lights of The Q were in my eyes then. And the dog ate my scouting report.

Absolutely. You unload him if the price is right, but not if the deal isn't right for you. Cavs hold all the cards when it comes to trading Andy.

Yeah ...... I am coming around to trading him ...... but ONLY if a higher 1st round draft pick or a mid/lower 1st in this coming draft PLUS a solid young player are involved in the deal.

I would trade Sessions, simply because this could be his final year in a Cavaliers uniform if he rejects his player's option. If a team like the Lakers wants to slide over a 1st for him in this coming draft, I would absolutely listen.

Obviously, as we get closer to trade deadline time, if we can trade off Parker and/or Jamison for value, I do it. Slid Thompson and Gee into the starting lineup and let the develop. See what you have with Hollins and Erden. Get ready for a bounty in one of the most loaded draft in a long, long time.

My only issue with trading Sessions is that we have no other PG to back up Kyrie, and we have Kyrie on limited minutes. I don't want a month and a half of Gibson getting 15-20 minutes a night at the point. Gibson also has injury issues every season.

a team like Houston can give us a promising young big man (J.Hill), a backup PG (Flynn), along with a 1st rounder (theirs or Knicks). or possibly grab one of their young bench guys like Budinger.

2 weeks ago, I would have jumped at that trade. now, i'd be more hesitant.