Quote: there's legit receivers in just about all levels of this draft.
Do you mean, there's value at the receiver position all over the draft?
I mean, if all those guys are legit (at least in the eyes of the GMs), the ones you have projected in lower rounds would be picked in the higher rounds.
Just one manager has to be high on a guy for someone to get chosen.
That's why everyone's got their own draft board with players at different positions...........
Another receiver I didn't consider a first rounder. He's a guy that Griffin helped become more than he was supposed to be. I'm not saying he won't be productive, but he doesn't look like a star to my eye, and I don't take a WR in the 1st that won't be a star. I know his rep is that he "plays faster" but I never saw that.
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Wright, Sanu and J.White had a sub 7sec 3 cone...around the same 4.3 Hill had
3 cone and 20yd shuffle are more important to scouts anyway, as that simulates more the way you have to run on gamedays...you don't get to run un-bumped 40 yds downfield a whole lot in the NFL
From a tape/game performance-size-combine numbers mix Marvin Jones is really growing on me...he has done good in all areas and looks like a value pick in the mid rounds
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Quote: there's legit receivers in just about all levels of this draft.
Do you mean, there's value at the receiver position all over the draft?
I mean, if all those guys are legit (at least in the eyes of the GMs), the ones you have projected in lower rounds would be picked in the higher rounds.
Just one manager has to be high on a guy for someone to get chosen.
That's why everyone's got their own draft board with players at different positions...........
Quote: If Moore is Danarius Moore (sp?) from Tennessee, then that is pretty ridiculous. I still think Brown will be better (I believe he's a top 100 talent easily) but Moore should be taken around 150. Of the guys left I'd look at:
Byron Maxwell - the guy is fast, can play the ball in the air, and hits like Sheldon brown. I think with the other guys all coming out of clemson's secondary he doesn't get his due. Stanley Havili - if somebody sat down in a video game to make a fullback in a WCO, they would make Havili. He's got decent speed, good hands, gobbles up YAC, and is tough. Tyrod Taylor - he's athletic, he's got a cannon, and most importantly he's a leader. We saw the difference in the Browns with colt and without, and the biggest difference may have been that intangible leadership. DE/OLB Bruce Miller - his production with the golden knights really is off the charts and he showed athleticism at the combine. I haven't seen him play but his numbers were terrific and if you wanted to double up on undersized pass rush projects to have a backup/push Moch this might be the way to go.
Those to me are the top guys. I know you like lee smith with his big body and catching ability. Kind of reminds me of Heiden. Fannin seems like a strong value in the 7th as well.
Vincent Brown: "a top 100 talent easily" -- actual pick #82 D. Moore: "taken around 150" -- actual pick #148
I mocked V.Brown last year and liked Moore too...AJ Jenkins is really a player that is in a similar pool ths draft...underrated, has speed and I think he can play both outside and in the slot
Watching the DL drills right now and was really impressed with Bequette, Cox, Crick, and J.Howard...T.Crawford and Cam Johnson looked ok too changing directions
otoh: Branch, Coples, Brockers, Guyton and C.Jones looked real choppy and unbalanced moving around
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I liked Howard and Cam Johnson a lot at the senior bowl. Like what I saw out of Crick in 2010 season. Bequette was a big time player at left end for Arkansas all year.
I can't comment on Cox or Crawford, don't think I've ever watched them.
Unless Andrew Datko is one of the best five OTs to come into the league in the last five years, Branch is nothing special. Datko owned Branch all game in FSU v. Clemson this year.
I don't know where the hype for Chandler Jones is coming from. Pretty low production from a mediocre conference and then people are knocking Mercilus for being a one-year wonder.
I'm interested to see how Massaquoi does. Is he in the first group or the second? I haven't seen him play, but he's got a good body type.
I was really high on AJ Jenkins.. but the more I watch him.. the more I dislike.. he has the numbers.. but I don't think he is physical enough. If teams jam him and bump him all over the place I don't think he can fight through it..
thats just something I noticed.. I could be wrong though.
Massa is in the 2nd group, 1st group ended with Kuhn
Coples is really disappointing me and I'm close to do a 180 on him as I liked what I read about him but the more I see him play, the less I like him and don't get all the hype around him
Irvin looked pretty good all around too, he's widely seen as a 34 OLB but I wonder if he could play RDE? Heckert liked to draft those tweeners for the Philly 43 too
Curious to see the 2nd group with Mercilus, Perry and a bunch of mid/late rounders I want to see more of (Massa, M.Martin, McClellan, Reyes, J.Smith, Taamu, Wolfe)
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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2012, 12:12 PM EST
AP
Robert Griffin III won the press conference. Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe could be winning the Combine on the field.
The 346-pounder has put together a crazy combination of size and strength at Lucas Oil Field.
The Memphis product put up 44 reps at 225 pounds, which was the most of any player at the Combine. That was impressive, but not shocking. Poe’s times while running on Monday were more eye-opening.
Poe ran an “unofficial” 4.87 forty-yard dash. That is a preposterous number for a man that big. Poe’s 1.7 ten-yard split is even more telling and more impressive.
Many 3-4 teams will see Poe as a nose tackle. That’s probably where he will get drafted, but Monday’s workout shows that Poe could be moved around in a variety of defensive line positions on a 3-4 or 4-3 defense.
While Poe didn’t play quite like a top-20 pick in college just yet, he was already seen as a first round pick. This workout should push him into the top 20 or higher. Athletic 3-4 nose tackles don’t come along every year.
346 and pressing 225 pounds 44 times ...... and also running under a 5 second 40 yard dash?
That's freakish physical ability.
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I realize there are always workout warriors that blow up the field in college and @ the combine that don't pan out. But if this guy's the real deal, please tell me he won't end up a Steeler . . .
The article said that he didn't really show up on the field though. That's a major concern.
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Posted by Michael David Smith on February 27, 2012, 11:35 AM EST
AP
Whitney Mercilus of Illinois was one of the best pass rushers in college football last season, and he’s showing at the Scouting Combine that he has just the kind of quick first step that NFL teams look for in a pass rusher.
Mercilus ran the 40-yard dash in an unofficial time of 4.63 seconds, but the 10-yard split may be more important than the full 40-yard time for defensive linemen, and Mercilus had a very good 10-yard split of 1.57 seconds.
“I come off the line — I have a good first step,” Mercilus told reporters over the weekend. “I’m able to come off the line pretty quickly. Definitely I’m able to wear out players, too. I have a never-ending motor, and I’m able to keep going until the fourth quarter until somebody is dog tired and just take advantage of them.”
Although his workout numbers are great, the more important number is 16: That’s how many sacks Mercilus had last season.
“It’s just going out and there and getting it each and every down, each and every game,” Mercilus said. “There’s no fluke to it, 16 is 16. There’s no way you can just fall onto a sack.”
Mercilus decided to leave Illinois with one year of eligibility remaining after the NFL draft advisory board gave him a third-round grade. He may be boosting that stock today.
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2012, 12:51 PM EST AP This is an impressive class of defensive tackles. They showed up in a big way on Monday.
Mississippi State product Fletcher Cox ran “unofficial” forty times of 4.79 and 4.85 at the NFL Combine. His 10-yard split was 1.63, which is outrageous for a player at 298 pounds.
Cox also finished among the bench press leaders among his defensive linemen. Cox has been relatively under the radar in this draft process, but he could get taken a lot higher in the first round than originally anticipated.
Quote: Yeah, but the question still remains: Can he play football?
It doesn't matter, with that speed he can chase the runner down and tackle him just after the 1st down marker, thus fitting in perfectly.
Yes, but only if it's on 3rd and more than 15.
of course, on 1st down, he'll tackle him 1 yard short of the marker. that way the offense has many more options on what they can do for their 2nd and 1 play.
Quote: Yeah, but the question still remains: Can he play football?
It doesn't matter, with that speed he can chase the runner down and tackle him just after the 1st down marker, thus fitting in perfectly.
Yes, but only if it's on 3rd and more than 15.
of course, on 1st down, he'll tackle him 1 yard short of the marker. that way the offense has many more options on what they can do for their 2nd and 1 play.
Y'all are missing the boat on this one...Put him in at RB.
Quote: He can play football but most teams are smart enough to run away from the 350lb monster in the middle. Love the kids feet. He is the dancing bear lol
Anyone thinking Dontari Poe is going to set the NFL on fire in 2012 needs to watch some video of the guy.
Quote: j/c, I would be pretty pumped if Kendall Wright's 4.61 pushed him down to 22.
Not that I'd expect anyone with a sane-mind to listen to me, but I had said weeks ago Wright didn't look like a 1st rounder to me. He looked like any one of a myriad of college "stars" who are destined to become slot-receivers in the NFL.
So here we are at the combine. He's 5'10. He's 190. He ran a 4.61 in a straight-line but ran faster in the quickness drills.
Yup. Slot guy. Slot guys aren't 1st rounders.
Get your hopes up, Steve, 'cause he's just as likely to be there at 37 as he is at 22.
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Quote: I'd much rather have Stephen Hill who jumped onto the radars of a lot of people with his performance at the combine.
Hill ran like two routes in College ...He's very raw and I think there is a 0% chance that he is a first round pick.
With that said, I think that he is an intriguing project.
Yeah - it's hard to evaluate Hill, because there is almost no game tape to go on. I know he drops a lot of passes, and he runs the go route.
The numbers are certainly intriguing - but he makes Greg Little look polished coming out of college.
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