Quote: Just to play devil's advocate....if Haden, who was a year or two ahead of Jenkins at Florida, couldn't mentor him there, how is he going to do it here??
Joe was one of the leaders on that Gator team.
I like Jenkins as a player. As a person he isn't all that swell. I think he has a big head and has a me before team mentality. I think I pass. I think he will be a problem and just as soon let it be someone elses.
It's to bad, the kid can flat out play. For his sake I hope I am wrong and he had matured and straightened out a bit.
Fair enough, but you and I know it is the sign of the times (and I believe that too will change), but if we would have condemned College prospects for smoking pot in College back in the 70's .... we wouldn't have had a League.
Stakes are higher? Higher then having NOTHING with the chance to earn millions and STILL mess up time after time? He doesn't show ANY sign of self-discipline
You think a guy like that will work hard for the 4th and 5th million the day after he got 3mil signing bonus? He phones his old friends screams "I made it" and throws a party
He has undoubtedly top talent but he has the brains of a brick...no way I gamble multiple millions on this guy...if he falls past the 2nd round where he gets less money I'd think about it but whoever gives this guy millions of dollars betting not only to CHANGE his behaviour but also to BETTER it (it's the NFL after all, he gotta be a pro now)
It takes more than talent to play in this league...there are multiple examples for that by now
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So? That makes him better? I don't care about the pot...it's about being dumb enough to get caught TWICE and managing to $%&@ women without even thinking of the consequences...and ALL THAT not once...he did it MULTIPLE times without EVER learning from the 1st mistake...he comes into the league as a marked player...he got himself kicked from Florida...how dumb or selfish do you have to be to accomplish that?
Whoever gives this guy millions of dollars is like Homer getting the electric shock yet again reaching for the donut... DOH !
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DJ, your welcome to your opinion, but most people will chose their profession over their recreational choices when it comes to employment. Football or otherwise.
Quote: DJ, your welcome to your opinion, but most people will chose their profession over their recreational choices when it comes to employment. Football or otherwise.
the question is if JJ is in the "most" category or not. like DJ, I worry that he is going to end up one of the players that simply is not learning from his mistakes.
however, I did listen to an extended interview of his over the weekend and was impressed that he is at least saying all of the right things. I'd definitely have a PI on him for awhile if I was thinking of drafting him though.
Quote: DJ, your welcome to your opinion, but most people will chose their profession over their recreational choices when it comes to employment. Football or otherwise.
the question is if JJ is in the "most" category or not. like DJ, I worry that he is going to end up one of the players that simply is not learning from his mistakes.
however, I did listen to an extended interview of his over the weekend and was impressed that he is at least saying all of the right things. I'd definitely have a PI on him for awhile if I was thinking of drafting him though.
No doubt he has some proving to do.
I liked the fact that he measured a full 5' 10", as there was some who doubted that he would be a full 5'9". He is only an inch shorter then Claiborne and 5 lbs heavier and still ran a sub 4.5 40:
Hill looks the part. Talking him up big time on NFL network's path to the draft. Gotta love those GT receivers.
Good stuff on tannehill as well. Casserly was praising him on how well he goes through his progressions but his negative was he didnt see the big time NFL throw like you see from Griffin and Luck. He also said he liked him better than Locker, Ponder, Dalton, Flacco and the kid from Tampa but he wasn't true top 10 talent but would be pushed into the top 10 due to position and upside.
Thanks for the info, Mourg. How do you think hill would do in our offense? He seems like a natural fit for the pats or maybe the giants in the bottom of the first. Or how about the Donks reuniting him with Thomas? I read on CBS that he's a real strong run blocker. I'm hoping Hill's ascent and Floyd's great 40 pushes wright down to our 22, where he's my number 1 target regardless of what we do at 4.
Hill's climb is a bit exagerated but I could see him going early 2nd. I think the 2nd round there we may have our choice of Hill, Alshon Jeffery, Sanu, Dwight Jones or go defense with a Vinny Curry.
I could see this kid in our offense but I would like to see him more aggressive and violent beating the press and really focus on being that power receiver running his routes with that power and precision. He is a good blocker, a lot like Braylon. Uses those long arms to wall off smaller dbs.
Quote: Hill looks the part. Talking him up big time on NFL network's path to the draft. Gotta love those GT receivers.
Didn't see the path to the draft, and I admit I don't know anything about the kid, but being 6'4 with that speed, wow he is intriguing. And with the GT option, he probably is a pretty damn good blocker as well.
Couple questions though. Why in the hell would a kid with that size and speed commit to a school that primarily runs the option? What round was he projected to go in pre combine?
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Quote: Hill looks the part. Talking him up big time on NFL network's path to the draft. Gotta love those GT receivers.
Didn't see the path to the draft, and I admit I don't know anything about the kid, but being 6'4 with that speed, wow he is intriguing. And with the GT option, he probably is a pretty damn good blocker as well.
Couple questions though. Why in the hell would a kid with that size and speed commit to a school that primarily runs the option? What round was he projected to go in pre combine?
2-3. Rated # 60 OA by NFL Draft Scout.
He will need to be developed, but with his size and speed I could see him being picked in the 2nd round. I'm not sure I would draft him with the 37th selection though.
Also, out of HS he wasn't a super blue chip with unlimited offers, so with Tech being close to Lithonia, Ga.,maybe 20 miles....it was a natural choice.
He probably grew up a fan of the Rambling Wreck.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
He will need to be developed, but with his size and speed I could see him being picked in the 2nd round. I'm not sure I would draft him with the 37th selection though.
Currently, CBS Sports has him as the #31 prospect.
He will need to be developed, but with his size and speed I could see him being picked in the 2nd round. I'm not sure I would draft him with the 37th selection though.
Currently, CBS Sports has him as the #31 prospect.
The question was were was Hill rated before the Combine and I think #31 is a little too high for a project type WR, although he has a lot of 'potential'.
He is not a guy that can come in a take over the #1WR role, but I'm hoping we get that need in FA.
Quote: Can you imagine if he was a bigger! stronger! faster! version of Carlton Mitchell?!?
Man that would be SWEET!
Honestly I know nothing of this guy and didn't watch a single GT game.
I abstain.
I can't say that I know a lot about him. I didn't watch a single GT game either but I did notice the stats line ( http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/483021/stephen-hill ) and I saw him at the combine. He's tall and has blazing speed. He also dove for a pass that was bad and caught it.
He will need to be developed, but with his size and speed I could see him being picked in the 2nd round. I'm not sure I would draft him with the 37th selection though.
Currently, CBS Sports has him as the #31 prospect.
The question was were was Hill rated before the Combine and I think #31 is a little too high for a project type WR, although he has a lot of 'potential'.
He is not a guy that can come in a take over the #1WR role, but I'm hoping we get that need in FA.
As one caller to Bruce Drennan's show, Andre Knott was subbing called in to say, the Browns don't have a #1 or even a #2 receiver. None of the receivers on the Browns roster would be a primary or even secondary target on any other team in the league. Not a single one, including Greg Little.
It's another offseason, which means a number of teams will be searching for quarterbacks. Here are my predictions for how each quarterback-needy team will address the position this spring, in 2012 NFL Draft order (excluding the obvious Colts):
Cleveland Browns: Sign Matt Flynn Everyone expects the Dolphins to sign Matt Flynn, and they very well could. Of course, Miami could agree to terms with Peyton Manning. And if they don't, what if they're too focused on courting Manning while Flynn is looking for a new home? And what if Joe Philbin doesn't even want Flynn as his quarterback?
If the Dolphins are set on pursuing Manning, Flynn could easily sign with the Browns. Mike Holmgren would love to bring in Flynn to run his West Coast offense. The Packer signal-caller is perfect for Holmgren's system.
Washington Redskins: Trade for Robert Griffin I had Peyton Manning going to the Redskins in my previous update. Washington remains a strong possibility because of its cap room, but Manning may not want to play for someone like Daniel Snyder. The fact that he would have to battle his brother twice a year doesn't help matters.
If the Redskins swing and miss on Manning, there's no question that they'll become the favorites to trade up for Robert Griffin. Snyder will do everything in his power to secure a blue-chip quarterback prospect, and unlike the Browns, he won't be scared to part with a draft pick that could be relatively inconsequential in the long run.
Jacksonville Jaguars: Sign Josh Johnson Josh Johnson has been linked to the 49ers because of the Jim Harbaugh connection. I believe Jacksonville is the favorite to sign the athletic, high-upside quarterback, however.
Greg Olson, the offensive coordinator for the Buccaneers last year, was recently hired to be the quarterbacks' coach for the Jaguars. Both Olson and Johnson love working with each other, and Olson will push for general manager Gene Smith to sign Josh Freeman's backup.
Olson will understandably want his own guy to compete with Blaine Gabbert. Gabbert showed no signs of becoming a legitimate starting quarterback in this league last year, so Jacksonville will need a fallback option just in case he doesn't improve.
Miami Dolphins: Draft Ryan Tannehill I already discussed Flynn to Miami. He could reunite with his former coach, but the Dolphins seem set on pursuing Manning.
I don't think it'll be Manning. It very well could be, but there are two reasons why I think No. 18 will play elsewhere. First, Stephen Ross is the same as Daniel Snyder. He's an overzealous owner who will have trouble maintaining (or ever achieving) success because he does stupid things. Snyder signs old, washed-up players; Ross is more interested in surrounding himself with B-list celebrities and presenting the Dolphins as a show rather than a football team. Why would Manning want to play for Ross?
Second, Manning will have to battle Tom Brady twice per year as a member of the Dolphins. It'll be difficult for him to reach the playoffs under those circumstances.
As for Robert Griffin, I doubt the Rams would want to miss out on Justin Blackmon by moving down to No. 8. Jacksonville won't hesitate to snatch the Oklahoma State wideout off the board.
So, if Miami can't net Manning, Flynn or Griffin, it'll have to settle for Ryan Tannehill. Ross' B-list celebrity friends won't be too happy about that.
Kansas City Chiefs: Sign Chad Henne The Chiefs aren't really in a position to do anything with the quarterback position this offseason. Scott Pioli will give Matt Cassel another year, as his options are very limited right now.
I do think Kansas City will sign Chad Henne to be a solid backup in the event of another Cassel injury. Brian Daboll, the team's current offensive coordinator, worked with Henne when the two were in Miami.
Seattle Seahawks: Draft QB on Day 2 Pete Carroll recently stated that Tarvaris Jackson will be the starting quarterback in 2012. But that doesn't mean that he won't spend a second-day pick on a quarterback.
But which one? Most of the prospects are in play. Ryan Tannehill is very talented, but Seattle will have to move up for him in the back end of the first round to get him. Carroll still has Pac-10/12 ties, so he will likely have inside information on Brock Osweiler and Nick Foles. Brandon Weeden had a great Senior Bowl week, so he's certainly an option in Round 2.
The current favorite is Kirk Cousins. He comes from a pro-style offense, and the Seahawks have shown interest in him. USC and Seahawks beat writer Scott Enyeart tweeted, "(Pete) Carroll has been evaluating Kirk Cousins since this summer at the Elite 11 camp in Malibu, where Kirk was a counselor."
Arizona Cardinals: Sign Peyton Manning There are five reasons why I think the Cardinals are the favorites to sign Peyton Manning:
1. Larry Fitzgerald. Manning and Fitzgerald are friends, and the two of them have met during the offseason, presumably to talk about playing with each other. Manning has to love the prospect of airing it out to Fitzgerald every week.
2. Cap room. Arizona has about $22 million available, so it can sign Reggie Wayne (and perhaps Dallas Clark and Dwight Freeney if they're cut). Manning and Wayne come as a package, and the Cardinals could use a No. 2 receiver.
3. NFC West. Manning gets to avoid Tom Brady and his brother. Even better, he'll be part of a division that was won by Alex Smith last year.
4. Dome. All of the teams on this page, save for the Cardinals, play outdoors. Manning has enjoyed having a roof over his head for all of his home games throughout his career. Why change now?
5. Proven success. The Cardinals reached the Super Bowl with Kurt Warner. The coaching staff knows how to handle a veteran, Hall of Fame-bound quarterback. Manning might have this in mind when he's making this difficult decision.
New York Jets: Sign Jason Campbell The Jets need some competition for Mark Sanchez. They've been linked to Jason Campbell for good reason. If Sanchez starts throwing multiple interceptions to 320-pound defensive linemen again, Rex Ryan will want to insert a quarterback with some experience. Campbell's not a great quarterback by any means, but he's solid enough to play the role of a game manager on a talented team.
He has really nice prospects going behind DT Howard, like WR Jenkins, WR Hilton, RB Gray, G Nix, DE Bequette, OT Potter...goes to show that the 3rd to 5th is the value area of this draft...I would punt that #37 into a 1st in 2013 and mid rounder in this draft, as I think 1 of M.Jones/D.Jones/Hilton/JWright/Jenkins + 2013 1st rounder >>> #37 Jeffery....he got good value for the Browns though in his mock and I'd be ok with it, although there is no QB, because he has us signing Flynn
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Quote: Cleveland Browns: Sign Matt Flynn Everyone expects the Dolphins to sign Matt Flynn, and they very well could. Of course, Miami could agree to terms with Peyton Manning. And if they don't, what if they're too focused on courting Manning while Flynn is looking for a new home? And what if Joe Philbin doesn't even want Flynn as his quarterback?
If Philbin doesn't want Flynn, that should be a clear sign for the buyer to beware. And to pass.
Quote: The fact that he would have to battle his brother twice a year doesn't help matters.
I've seen this before, and I dismiss it. I can see Peyton not interested in going to Washington, but I do not think it would be to avoid playing his brother. No way is he afraid to play anyone.
Quote: Snyder will do everything in his power to secure a blue-chip quarterback prospect, and unlike the Browns, he won't be scared to part with a draft pick that could be relatively inconsequential in the long run.
The #22 this year, our first next year .... not inconsequential IMHO
Quote: As for Robert Griffin, I doubt the Rams would want to miss out on Justin Blackmon by moving down to No. 8. Jacksonville won't hesitate to snatch the Oklahoma State wideout off the board.
If this plays out as he thinks, with us signing Flynn, and Washington trading up for RG3, then Blackmon does not fall to #6 so the Rams miss out on him anyway. Someone will trade up with us to grab Blackmon at #4. Or we take him. I think the trade is more likely.
I would agree that if Philbin doesn't want Flynn, then buyer beware.
Except, we are talking about Peyton Manning. The best pedigree QB of this generation. It may even be a directive from the Miami owner (Ross). So, as the writer states, Flynn would only escape the Miami grasp if they either sign Peyton or if all of their energies are tied up with Peyton and he slips past them.
Quote: I would agree that if Philbin doesn't want Flynn, then buyer beware.
True, but if Philbin wants Flynn and the owner trumps him by bringing in Manning, we may never know that Philbin's interest was there - making it APPEAR that he didn't want him.
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
Quote: I would agree that if Philbin doesn't want Flynn, then buyer beware.
True, but if Philbin wants Flynn and the owner trumps him by bringing in Manning, we may never know that Philbin's interest was there - making it APPEAR that he didn't want him.
which is exactly what I said in the portion of the post you didn't quote
Clubs are beginning to shy away from Jenkins because he did do poorly in interviews. While Jenkins has excellent talent, many are feeling he’s not worth the baggage. As most of you know he was dismissed from Florida because of a number of failed drug tests. He also has a number of children each from a different woman. The thought process is he is unaccountable and just doesn’t get it and maybe never will. It’s too bad because he has great talent. But that is all part of the process; finding out everything about a player, not just his football talent.
I agree he is a egghead...I was hoping getting dumped by Florida and having to go to South Alabama might have humbled and matured him a bit..the more I think about it he always seemed like a Pac Man Jones, thuggish type.
You hope people grow out of it, but apparently not in this case. It's a shame because he is as good a corner as any. He can play.....if he can keep from breaking team/league rules....
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I think people are more intrigued because he went to Florida, and at the time they were pretty darn good as a team. He definitely had something to do with that, but him being in the league.. I dont think he will amount to much.
Quote: No, that's just not true. He played great at Fla and played like a wild man at South Alabama....player of the year at that level I think.
He can play football. He just doesn't know how to act in society.
Sounds like the ideal guy to take late if he drops far enough. I'd rather use a later round pick on a guy that I know can play and hope he matures than a real great guy and hope he can play.
He has the skill and a team desperate will take him late first early 2nd because, he does have talent. Detroit is his best shot to go in the first. He could slip out of the first easy enough especially with Boykin and Gilmore showing teams they are first round caliber talent. Also those bottom 1/3 teams are pretty much all going to go trench warriors.
After Detroit, his next best shot may be with the Browns at 37. Heckert is more inclined to give him a chance than most. A lot of teams didnt want Taylor and Sheard early because of off the field stuff.
Quote: Sure...but problem with Jenkins is he is projected to go in the top 50, as early as mid/late 1st...of course I'd spend a day 3 flyer on him
And if he goes anywhere near that high.. good luck to him... I'm just saying I would start considering him at about the 4th round...
Look at LeGarette Blount.. guy was what.. 10th rated RB in the draft in 2010 and went undrafted because he's a loose canon.. He had a 1000 yard year in 2010.. he still has issues if I recall he did punch a guy in a game last year... odds are greater that he will snap than they are that he will adjust.. but it's worth the risk if a guy like that falls.
Really, it kinda depends on where he goes.. The right coach and the right players around him may make the difference.. who knows..
I suspect that if he went to the Giants,, Coughlin would cause him to straighten up and fly right.. No question in my mind that Belichick would keep him on the straight and narrow,, both wouldn't hesitate to kick him to the curb....
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Quote: Mike Holmgren would love to bring in Flynn to run his West Coast offense.
I'm curious as to where this comes from. Obviously Holmgren would love to have Colt McCoy run his West Coast offense too. If he'd love to have Flynn then he'd love to have any inexperienced WCO quarterback who's been in it a couple of years.
I really don't get the Flynn love. I Really don't.
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