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I don't know what happened to Blount, but he also finished the year horribly. He had less than 25 yards in 4 of his last 5 games, and the 5th game was only 74 yards.
He had "efforts" last year of 15, 34, 34, 19, 21, 11, and 12 yards. In addition, he did not play in 2 other games. That accounts for 9 games out of 16.
He also looked rather ........ large last year.
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I'll just state up front that he might NEVER get right with the world...
But I do think that he would stand a better chance if he went to an established organization with veteran leadership where he was just a small piece of the puzzle as opposed to going somewhere that he was a BMOC and in the spotlight from day 1..
Rest assured though, players like Ray Lewis and coaches like Belichick will work with you and help keep you straight.. but at the same time, they aren't going to be somebodys babysitter.. at least not for very long...
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I'd take him at the bottom of the 2nd round....for us, the top of the 3rd round.....at that point the talent is worth the risk.
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Clubs are beginning to shy away from Jenkins because he did do poorly in interviews. While Jenkins has excellent talent, many are feeling he’s not worth the baggage. As most of you know he was dismissed from Florida because of a number of failed drug tests. He also has a number of children each from a different woman. The thought process is he is unaccountable and just doesn’t get it and maybe never will. It’s too bad because he has great talent. But that is all part of the process; finding out everything about a player, not just his football talent.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-importance-of-Pro-Days.html
Is this supposed to be substantiated fact? No it's not ... It's a fan sight.
Nothing I watched of his Combine media interview, struck me as him just not getting it. On the contrary ... I thought that he sounded humbled by his mistakes.
Joe Haden endorses his former team mate and friend. That's holds more weight with my opinion, then the lynching mob,
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If Jenkins could pick and chose where he lands ... It would be Cleveland as his first choice. He has stated his wishes
and spoke highly of the Dawg Pound and the history of this once great Franchise.
Wow! Somebody actually want's to come to Cleveland and play for our Browns ... Who da thunk it. Right?
But Noooooo way ... We should hang'em by the nearest tree. 
Good Grief! You should hear yourselves 
So, here's to hoping you naysayers are correct and he falls in the Draft ... Right in our laps 
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jc Great read, I recommend....guy knows football and actually watches the tape....here's his take on the underclassmen....disagree on some specs, but always consider his evaluation: http://footballdiner.com/ncaa2012underclassmen2.html
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Mike Holmgren would love to bring in Flynn to run his West Coast offense.
I'm curious as to where this comes from. Obviously Holmgren would love to have Colt McCoy run his West Coast offense too. If he'd love to have Flynn then he'd love to have any inexperienced WCO quarterback who's been in it a couple of years.
I really don't get the Flynn love. I Really don't.
I think you're partially right. I just think that Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur would like a QB familiar with the WCO running the offense.
In regards to Flynn, he's been an understudy for 4 years in that system and it would apparently be enough for someone to take a flyer on him. I'm sure that he would interview with a number of teams, including the Browns and that the FO would do their due diligence to make sure that he truly had a grasp of the system before signing him.
If he's legitimately been learning for 4 years behind a great QB and with a very good QB coach, it's quite possible that he really is ready. It would have to be at the right price though. I wouldn't expect that the Browns would drain the treasury for him. I could see that he signs at 3 year, $12 million deal with a club option for a 4th year. I don't see the $50 million deal that everyone keeps chucking out there.
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Thanks for the link DJ, like you I don't agree with some of his opinions, but he seems pretty knowledgeable and it's always good to hear other opinions.
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I agree he is a egghead...I was hoping getting dumped by Florida and having to go to South Alabama might have humbled and matured him a bit..the more I think about it he always seemed like a Pac Man Jones, thuggish type.
You hope people grow out of it, but apparently not in this case. It's a shame because he is as good a corner as any. He can play.....if he can keep from breaking team/league rules....
The big question you always have to ask about a guy like this:
What's he gonna become when he suddenly has a bank account filled with a couple million dollars?
I'm scared crapless if I hand this kid that kind of money.
Here's how I feel about taking a risk on him: 
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I could see that he signs at 3 year, $12 million deal with a club option for a 4th year.
That's kicker money, unless you are talking $12mil a year.
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I'll just state up front that he might NEVER get right with the world...
But I do think that he would stand a better chance if he went to an established organization with veteran leadership where he was just a small piece of the puzzle as opposed to going somewhere that he was a BMOC and in the spotlight from day 1..
Rest assured though, players like Ray Lewis and coaches like Belichick will work with you and help keep you straight.. but at the same time, they aren't going to be somebodys babysitter.. at least not for very long...
I guess we are on the same page, I mentioned a couple of tough coaches and you added in the team maturity., but yeah,, the right mix of folks around him and maybe he reaches his potential without many issues off the field..
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Your name isn't Paul is it?
Hehe, no it's not....I'd never have the discipline to watch that many prospects throughout the season and if you read his player evaluations you'd see the difference between us, but I really value his opinion on prospects
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I could see that he signs at 3 year, $12 million deal with a club option for a 4th year.
That's kicker money, unless you are talking $12mil a year.
That's franchise kicker money. Matt Flynn hasn't proven a whole lot to anyone to demand some insane 5 year, $50 million contract.
If that's what he demands, the Browns should just say to him and his agent, "Good luck with that." and laugh in his face. "Don't call us, not interested."
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it's 5 $10mil 1 year deals essentially. and it's the going rate for an average or slightly below average QB. he'll sign somewhere near it (just above or just below)
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it's 5 $10mil 1 year deals essentially. and it's the going rate for an average or slightly below average QB. he'll sign somewhere near it (just above or just below)
Sorry, but I don't think that's the case.
Just because some team had a bad experience and overpaid (Arizona & Kolb), doesn't mean that's the 'going rate'.
This may seem a bit dated because they list Carson Palmer with Cincy (but they're the one's paying his salary, not Oakland).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multime.../content.1.html
$10 million/yr is the going rate? Yeah, in monopoly money!  Just because some nincompoop 'anal'yst wrote that's what it would take to sign Flynn, doesn't mean that's what it will take. That 'anal'yst is an idiot. They said it would take 3 first rounders for the Browns to get RG3 if they want him. They likely could stand pat and get him if he's who they want.
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what if I'm the nincompoop analyst?
I've been touting Flynn the whole year. So, when he blew up vs. Detroit, I knew that he pushed himself into Schaub / Cassel territory as backup QBs who would be paid starting QB money. I looked at the most recent deals for QBs who were considered okay, but not great.
Fitzpatrick $59mil over 6 yrs w/ $24 mil guaranteed
Cassel $64mil over 6yrs w/ $28mil guaranteed
Kolb $65mil over 6 yrs w/ $12mil guaranteed
Other guys like Schaub (and your Carson example) signed too long ago. Things change quickly in the NFL and people are one-upping over each other. It stinks, but it's how it works.
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oh, and the CNNSI thing doesn't account for signing bonus'. So, Kolb only made $900K last year. Except for that little $10mil signing bonus he also received.
I would suspect that roster bonus' are not included on that either and it may not be adjusted for easily attained performance bonus'.
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Not that anyone on here is going to care because he's a short, slow receiver who can't get separation but Justin Blackmon clocked a 4.46 at his pro day today.
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Not that anyone on here is going to care because he's a short, slow receiver who can't get separation but Justin Blackmon clocked a 4.46 at his pro day today.
Well, he was on a good surface, had a 90 mph wind at his back, and the guy keeping the clock didn't start until he was 15 yards in. In other words, all teams should pass on him so he's available for us to unfortunately draft him at 22. 
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He's looking better and better at #4.
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He's looking better and better at #4.
anyone who saw the Fiesta Bowl agrees with that one.
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As much of a man crush as I have on him, my biggest concern isn't his size or speed, it's his head. Is he going to be able to handle it if he's not getting the ball a lot. Is he going to be willing to block when needed?
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Or against Arizona.
Or last year when he torched amukamara.
OKST Pro day coverage is supposed to be on 5pm NFL total access today.
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Watch the first play v AZ. Completely wipes the corner out of the play for a big run.
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Blackmon ran in the 4.4's. Quote:
ESPN’s Josina Anderson is live in Stillwater for Friday’s Oklahoma State Pro Day. Wide receiver Justin Blackmon finished running two forty-yard dashes just minutes ago.
According to Anderson, Blackmon was clocked in the 4.45-4.50 range on his first forty attempt. His second run brought better results, with Blackmon timing between 4.41 and 4.46.
The forty times are impressive for Blackmon on paper, though it should be noted Oklahoma State has a notoriously fast track and NFL teams will adjust accordingly. As much as a full tenth of a second could be tacked onto Blackmon’s Pro Day time.
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Now the only concern is his weight. He weighed in a 207 at the combine but played at 215. He might've just shed the weight to get a faster 40 time.
I still wouldn't take him in the top five. He is faster than I thought, but now he's not as big as I thought.
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I guess I can understand height concerns. I'm assuming you may think he'd play too light and get jammed too easily?
Speed wise, I know people have said he doesn't have top shelf speed, but I don't remember seeing him get caught from behind. Also, I remember him being a very physical WR. I like the thought of him and Little punishing guys.
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I agree that he physically overpowered college players at times. But he is not going to be playing college players anymore.
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I agree. But, he's not a weakling either. I think he'll be able to hold his own when it comes to getting jammed, etc. But, that's my unbelievably uneducated opinion.
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If I am drafting a wide receiver with the fourth pick I want to be sure that guy is a Calvin Johnson type freak. I don't think Blackmon is that. I can see why some people (like yourself) would want to draft him though.
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Is Levy Adcock taking place in the OK St pro day?
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Please post this in purple
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man, i really hope you were talking about Blackmon.
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his name is Levy Ad....
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Impressive pro day helps quarterback Brandon Weeden Posted by Michael David Smith on March 9, 2012, 6:26 PM EST Brandon Weeden AP The reviews are in on the pro day performance from Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden, and observers said he looked good. NFL Network’s Mike Mayock lists Weeden as his No. 4 quarterback in this year’s draft, behind Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill. Weeden isn’t as good an athlete as any of those quarterbacks, but he showed good enough measurables that his athleticism isn’t a concern. “I’m guessing he’s going to go in the second round,” Mayock said. “He ran a 4.9 40, he did all the shuttles, he did all the jumps, he’s more athletic than people thought he was.” Also not a concern is Weeden’s arm: He had good passing numbers at Oklahoma State and threw well today. “He made every throw you can make,” Mayock said. “The ones I wanted to see were outside the numbers. I know he can drive it inside the numbers, I know he can throw the seam, the deep in cuts — he showed me that in the game. What I saw today was the ability to drive it outside the numbers. . . . He showed every throw, he made every throw, and it was really impressive.” What is a concern is age: Weeden is 28, having played five years of minor league baseball before committing himself to college football, and NFL teams wonder how many good years they’ll get out of him. He’s not a quarterback to draft as a long-term project, he’s a quarterback to draft if a team wants a rookie who’s capable of starting in Week One. Peter King quoted one general manager comparing Weeden to Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton as someone who’s able to learn an NFL offense quickly and start as a rookie. If Weeden is that kind of player, he’ll be a good deal for some team — even if he is two months older than Aaron Rodgers. web page
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I've been touting Flynn the whole year. So, when he blew up vs. Detroit, I knew that he pushed himself into Schaub / Cassel territory as backup QBs who would be paid starting QB money. I looked at the most recent deals for QBs who were considered okay, but not great.
They are irrelevant. Teams overpaid. I don't think paying Matt Flynn more than what Aaron Rodgers is making is smart. I don't think they'll do it and I don't care about what the trend has been. There is a new CBA and it's lowered the value of unproven players.
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Fitzpatrick $59mil over 6 yrs w/ $24 mil guaranteed
And the Bills are going to be setback by that contract. Also, he was their starting QB. He did diddly squat after signing that contract mid-season last year.
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Cassel $64mil over 6yrs w/ $28mil guaranteed
Kolb $65mil over 6 yrs w/ $12mil guaranteed
Different CBA (although I'm not sure it expressly addresses FA contracts), but with the new CBA, these contracts will be a thing of the past. These contracts will look more like rookie contracts than proven player contracts. I guess we'll find out though.
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Other guys like Schaub (and your Carson example) signed too long ago. Things change quickly in the NFL and people are one-upping over each other. It stinks, but it's how it works.
It is a completely different era and the HUGE contracts of old for inexperienced backups getting 5 or 6 year deals worth tens of millions of dollars have ended. Mark it!
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We couldn't use another slow receiver like that. 4.46! Ha! What a bum!
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Maybe it is one of those fast tracks like Miami used to have that was on a downhill slop and only 39 meters lol.
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