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With the ongoing investigation of bounty gate and the distinct possibility that Washington might lose a 1st this year or next, does St. Louis continue to court them if their offering is just a pig in a poke? Does Washington wait around for the shoe to drop or do they just go ahead and move on Manning?
Kinda thought this on my way into work this AM as I heard about the Colts releasing Manning. If there is a possibility that Washington loses a high draft pick over the next year or two .... do they wait to find out or do they just jump on Manning now to play it safe? If they sit back and let Manning sign elsewhere and then lose a #1 this year or next, then they lose out on RG3 as well.
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Why would they ditch Schaub, a QB at the top of his game, and really coming into his own, for a huge injury question mark like Manning? That seems like a rather foolish thing to me. Schaub fits that team quite well, and his ego is not so huge that he won't hand off when they get inside the 5 as the coaches want.
I'd happily take Schaub in Cleveland. He would be the best QB we've had in 20+ years, easily.
As far as Yates, he showed a little last year, but the biggest thing he showed was poise as a rookie. However, they managed him very, very carefully. He threw for an average of 158 yards in his 6 regular season starts. His 2 playoff starts were also s-so. (combined 28-55 for 343 yards, 1 TD and 3 INT)
He might have a future, then again, he might be just a guy they plugged into their system, who didn't blow up. I doubt that they are ready to make him their future after such a "fair" start to his career.
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I think the team that makes the most sense for Peyton is KC.
running game, OL, WRs intact. defense pretty good last year. no dominant team in the division.
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Miami makes a lot of sense as well.
- Franchise LT
- resurgent run game with Bush (who Manning would love running routes out of the backfield),
- Good defense (#6 scoring D in NFL)
- High draft pick to take an explosive offensive playmaker (Floyd?)
- #1 WR in Marshall
I personally think that's the best fit, in terms of winning. Although you could argue that the AFC West absolutely stinks, so KC is a more likely playoff team but Miami has more overall talent IMO.
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You know the networks would love Manning in Miami as he'd be guaranteed to play Brady at least twice a year. Also, playing the Jets would get all kinds of play, too.
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You know the networks would love Manning in Miami as he'd be guaranteed to play Brady at least twice a year. Also, playing the Jets would get all kinds of play, too.
If he takes his talents to South Beach or Washington, it just makes things better for the O&B and the RG3 sweepstakes.
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You know the networks would love Manning in Miami as he'd be guaranteed to play Brady at least twice a year. Also, playing the Jets would get all kinds of play, too.
If he takes his talents to South Beach or Washington, it just makes things better for the O&B and the RG3 sweepstakes.
Which is why the Rams wanted to get the #2 pick traded last week. I think the Skin, Phins and Browns called each other and agreed to wait until Manning, Flynn and the other FA QBs settled in place to keep the trade up price low....like a three-team collusion. 
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Miami makes a lot of sense as well.
I agree. It's whether Peyton wants to take the battle to Brady or whether he wants to make sure those battles are in the playoffs.
Washington makes little sense to me because while I think he is super-competitive with his little brother, I also think that he understands it's a no-win situation (either Peyton usurps his brother, making his life miserable; or Eli continues the Giants train rolling making Peyton's life miserable because he can't leapfrog over Eli).
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Im saying Arizona....Peyton goes to play with Fitz.....Probably brings along Wayne with him......49ers were the div winners last year with Alex Smith..... gets to stay in a dome....and this team was just in the Super Bowl a few years ago with Kurt Warner at the helm.
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And who runs the offense , Manning or Schrmur ?
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But do you think the Cardinals are going to give up on Kolb so quickly?
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retractable roof and real grass. they only close the lid in the hot months (wait, it's AZ, they are all hot months!) actually, by November, they are opening that bad boy since it's only in the upper 80s.
the real grass thing is the kicker though. not the artificial surface he is accustomed to playing with (precision for WRs cuts mostly)
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Who has more experience at winning as a play caller???.... hmmm
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Manning has more experience
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Schaub hasn't exactly been the picture of durability but I would agree with you. Like I said several writers have pointed at Houston. The theory is that Schaub is good enough to get the Texans to the playoffs but Manning puts them over the top and makes them the favorites to win the superbowl. It hinges on wether Texans ownership feels the same way.
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You know the networks would love Manning in Miami as he'd be guaranteed to play Brady at least twice a year. Also, playing the Jets would get all kinds of play, too.
If he takes his talents to South Beach or Washington, it just makes things better for the O&B and the RG3 sweepstakes.
Which is why the Rams wanted to get the #2 pick traded last week. I think the Skin, Phins and Browns called each other and agreed to wait until Manning, Flynn and the other FA QBs settled in place to keep the trade up price low....like a three-team collusion.
More like common sense ...
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But do you think the Cardinals are going to give up on Kolb so quickly?
Yes I do...Kolb might be gone anyway....Word out of AZ was the team was very happy with Skelton....and would have started the year with him had they not just tied their wagon to Kolb. They hoped Kolb would come around as he learned more of the system.....when he went out with injury. The Cards were 1-6 with Kolb and 7-2 with Skelton.
Kolb is due a 7 mill roster bonus March 17th....I think I would cut him and go after Manning.
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But do you think the Cardinals are going to give up on Kolb so quickly?
Yes I do...Kolb might be gone anyway....Word out of AZ was the team was very happy with Skelton....and would have started the year with him had they not just tied their wagon to Kolb. They hoped Kolb would come around as he learned more of the system.....when he went out with injury. The Cards were 1-6 with Kolb and 7-2 with Skelton.
Kolb is due a 7 mill roster bonus March 17th....I think I would cut him and go after Manning.
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Hack, first you have your numbers wrong.
5-2 w/ Skelton
3-6 w/ Kolb
Second, Skelton played worse than Kolb but the AZ defense played better as the year went along (they got healthy, Patterson became a shutdown corner, etc).
Skelton 55% 11TDs 14INTs 7.0 YPA 68.9QBrating
Kolb 58% 9TDs 8INTs 7.7 YPA 81.1QBrating
AZ will either sign Peyton or give Kolb another year. Kolb's numbers and play (including injury) were right on target with what he did in Philly. Anyone expecting greatly different numbers was fooling themselves.
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I stand corrected...although one of the wins for Kolb was a 1 pass effort against San Fran..so I give that to Skelton....6-2....Kolb 2-6 But everything I said about them liking Skelton more was said all season long in AZ...but after paying Kolb all that cash they were hoping he would play out of it. Do you want to pay Kolb 7 mill...and hope he beats out Skelton for the starting QB? I would not. HACK Quote:
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Yes I do...Kolb might be gone anyway....Word out of AZ was the team was very happy with Skelton....and would have started the year with him had they not just tied their wagon to Kolb. They hoped Kolb would come around as he learned more of the system.....when he went out with injury. The Cards were 1-6 with Kolb and 7-2 with Skelton.
Kolb is due a 7 mill roster bonus March 17th....I think I would cut him and go after Manning.
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Hack, first you have your numbers wrong.
5-2 w/ Skelton
3-6 w/ Kolb
Second, Skelton played worse than Kolb but the AZ defense played better as the year went along (they got healthy, Patterson became a shutdown corner, etc).
Skelton 55% 11TDs 14INTs 7.0 YPA 68.9QBrating
Kolb 58% 9TDs 8INTs 7.7 YPA 81.1QBrating
AZ will either sign Peyton or give Kolb another year. Kolb's numbers and play (including injury) were right on target with what he did in Philly. Anyone expecting greatly different numbers was fooling themselves.
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Yeah, but if they like Skelton so much, why bother blowing a big wad of dough on Manning.. It might actually be cheaper to keep Kolb.
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fair enough on the W/L.
still, Kolb played much better than Skelton. I wouldn't worry about him beating him out and $7mil is nothing for a starting QB these days though I think his cap number is $10mil including the bonus (also, wonder what the difference is in a cap hit since if they cut him they'd accelerate that bonus to now).
I think AZ's plan is to sign Peyton. If they don't, then they'll keep Kolb as starter and Skelton as backup (even if they go through a summer "competition").
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Yeah, but if they like Skelton so much, why bother blowing a big wad of dough on Manning.. It might actually be cheaper to keep Kolb.
Word is the like Skelton more than Kolb....Skelton more than Manning...totally different story.
Anyway...AZ is my guess.
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Peyton's officially on the waiver wire. And we're off.
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Raiders expected to cut Wimbley barring “major change” Posted by Evan Silva on March 8, 2012, 1:36 PM EST ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson reports that the Raiders have not spoken to the agent for linebacker Kamerion Wimbley “in several days,” and are expected to release their top edge rusher barring a “major change.” Wimbley, listed Monday among PFT’s top cap casualty candidates, appears no closer to reaching an adjusted contract with the Raiders. Despite Wednesday’s restructurings of safety Michael Huff and defensive tackle Richard Seymour, Oakland remains out of position to pay Wimbley’s scheduled $11 million base salary. Williamson speculates that the San Diego Chargers “could be a favorite” to land Wimbley after he hits the free agent market. The Chargers are pursuing pass rushers this offseason, and Wimbley could be a more affordable target than top free agent Mario Williams. All along, Wimbley has had little or no incentive to accept a pay reduction. As an unrestricted free agent, Wimbley would be a highly valued commodity around the NFL and can expect a first-year payment from his next team that dwarfs the $11 million Oakland would have paid him.
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Wimbley would be a highly valued commodity around the NFL and can expect a first-year payment from his next team that dwarfs the $11 million Oakland would have paid him.
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I always liked Wimbley. Thought he was a good guy who tried his hardest. Does that mean I'd want him back at that kind of salary? I don't think so.
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could be 5 years, $35 mil, $15 guaranteed, inc $10mil to sign.
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That's only 7ish a year... Oakland was set to pay him 11 and they're saying he can get more...
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That said more than $11 mil this year, not per year.
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What's the difference? Barring a extremely front loaded contract... If they stat he's going to make more than the 11 mil this year Oak was going to have to pay him, then he'd make around that every following year of the contract...
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What's the difference? Barring a extremely front loaded contract... If they stat he's going to make more than the 11 mil this year Oak was going to have to pay him, then he'd make around that every following year of the contract...
No - because you get all the signing bonus in the first year. A 5 year $25 Million deal with $10M signing bonus gets you around $13M this year, with cap hits of $5M/year
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I base contract talks on my dealings with Madden. Because that's the only time I ever really care about cap numbers...
Wimbley is worth 5 mil a year. Production wise. I guess.
I just don't think he's a guy anyone should bring in to try to "solve" their pass rushing problems...
I could see him ending up in NE if they don't break the bank (do they ever?) for Mario..
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www.KFFL.comGiants | Will release Brandon Jacobs Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:55:40 -0800 The New York Giants will release RB Brandon Jacobs after the two sides were not able to agree on a restructured contract.
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He's a very unique running back.
As for us, we don't need a more worn-down, older version of Hillis.
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I always liked Jacobs, but I just have a feeling he's going to want bigger money than he's really worth. Some team out there will gamble on him, though.
I'd rather bring Hillis back than bring on Jacobs.
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cool, this should make Hillis cheaper and therefore more likely to be back. Unless the Giants sign him. 
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As for us, we don't need a more worn-down, older version of Hillis.
who doesn't catch many passes.
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My first thought on the way home from work when I heard of Jacobs release was that Hillis would probably fill his role in N.Y.
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