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You've said before that there is a better helmet available today. You've listed some players that wore it.
Since players can choose any helmet, by any manufacturer - why aren't they?
arch...Just what makes you believe players can choose any helmet, made by any manufacturer?
It is my understanding that the NFL commissioners office has to approve the companies that manufacture helmets for the NFL.
The players are allowed to choose between the helmets manufactured by "NFL" approved manufacturers.
If you find info to the contrary, let me know.
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You've said before that there is a better helmet available today. You've listed some players that wore it.
Since players can choose any helmet, by any manufacturer - why aren't they?
arch...Just what makes you believe players can choose any helmet, made by any manufacturer?
It is my understanding that the NFL commissioners office has to approve the companies that manufacture helmets for the NFL.
The players are allowed to choose between the helmets manufactured by "NFL" approved manufacturers.
If you find info to the contrary, let me know.
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You've said before that there is a better helmet available today. You've listed some players that wore it.
Since players can choose any helmet, by any manufacturer - why aren't they?
arch...Just what makes you believe players can choose any helmet, made by any manufacturer?
It is my understanding that the NFL commissioners office has to approve the companies that manufacture helmets for the NFL.
The players are allowed to choose between the helmets manufactured by "NFL" approved manufacturers.
If you find info to the contrary, let me know.
Well - duh - of course the helmet has to be approved by the nfl.
Since you refuse to answer a simple question - let me ask an even simpler one: If there is a company that is making a helmet that is better, why isn't it approved?
Anyway, either here or in the other thread, I linked to an article that said players CAN choose.
You yourself have said/named some players that used a "better" helmet.
Another question for you - preventing injury is the goal of any helmet, correct? Some of these "soft outer shell" things may just in fact reduce concussions, BUT may just increase the risk of neck injuries.
I would assume part of the idea with the hard, slippery outer shell is to allow current helmets to "slide" off the other helmet - reducing neck injuries. Put a soft shell on helmets, and the helmets would, in essence, "stick" (not the best term, but you know what I mean), thereby creating excessive strain on a neck.
You want a risk of a concussion, or a risk of a broken neck?
Football is a contact sport - by its very nature, that implies contact. If you want to eliminate concussions, simply mandate that ANY contact to an opposing players head/helmet is a 15 yd. penalty, $20,000 fine, and automatic 2 game suspension. That will eliminate concussions.
That's a stupid idea, right?
Anyway, I've linked to an NBC report that players CAN choose their helmet. (I think it was in the other thread) It's not my fault if you don't believe it.
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I would be interested to see how the latest Riddell stacks up against the ProCap, or that companies latest helmet "The Gladiator".
Are you familiar with any concussion testing on the ProCap design to genuinely prove it reduces concussions Mac? I'm a bit prone to conspiracy theory, so the line of "Some underdog company has a superior helmet, but the MAN is keeping him down" appeals a lot to me. But I'd like to see some evidence that it is actually superior to Riddell. If it is I would find it kind of baffling why at least 2-3 modern players aren't currently sporting them. Maybe we can all chip in on one for Evan Moore.
I see no reason not to wear it if it does, especially for lineman who sustain silly amounts of headbanging throughout their careers.
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I would think that the NFLPA would be all over it if there was a helmet that was significantly better at preventing injuries, but was being blocked by the owners from use on the field.
However, I would bet that the players being able to choose their own helmet was negotiated by the NFLPA, and that those choices are the cause of some injuires. It can't be just the owners telling the players what to wear. This stuff is all negotiated between the players and owners.
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I don't know why they could take a normal type helmet, and add a 2nd hard shell with a memory foam type material between the 2 hard surfaces. It would seem to me that if it went foam around the head, with air pockets for further protection, than a hard shell, a layer of memory type foam, then a 2nd hard shell, with room for that middle layer to move/absorb collision force, that might be a way to go. It might add maybe 3/4 of an inch to an inch to the overall size of the helmet, but I think that players could adjust. Players had to adjust to helmets to start with.
It seems like they make cars these days to give as much as they can to absorb impact. They use breakaway parts in cars, but with lesser collision forces on the football field, I would think that they could use foams and such in multiple layers to do the same task.
It's not the movement of the head in the helmet that is the real problem, it is the sudden acceleration or deceleration of the brain within the skull that causes the concussion. The only way to stop that is the slow the rate of acc/decleration, and in an impact that is hard to do. The only thing i can think of would be to lessen the incentive of using the head as a battering ram.
Did we lead with our heads in the backyard helmetless games? Heck no. But put a helmet and pads on and that changed.
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That's why I think that memory foam type stuff in between 2 hard shells might help. The head would be protected, and would be able to decelerate somewhat more slowly. It;s not perfect, and nothing is a perfect solution, but it would seem that something like that would be a better answer than what they have going now. The outer shell could be kind of a floating shell that would be clipped to the inner ..... and would move when hit while allowing the inner shell to be more protected, and thus the head to be more protected. Then again, what do I know?  It seems logical though.
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what if they had to play football under water?
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what if they had to play football under water?
Then everyone's offense would look as slow as the Browns
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If there is a company that is making a helmet that is better, why isn't it approved?
arch...it (the ProCap) is approved by NOCSAE but only sort of approved by the NFL.
Even though the ProCap had been "successfully" used by NFL players who were facing premature retirement due to concussions, dating back to the 1980s...the NFL would not give the ProCap their stamp of approval without issuing an "opinion" on the product.
The NFL gave an opinion about the ProCap without even testing the product...it is simply the opinion of someone within the NFL that using the ProCap could result in neck injuries...it is just an opinion..no testing..just an opinion.
The company that produces the ProCap disputes the opinion but they are no match for the opinion of the NFL.
Now you know why NFL players are not choosing to wear the ProCap and their is no way the NFL will mandate the use of it, even though it has proven to cut the chance of concussion...and proven on the football field...even with the following endorsements... web page
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