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This is motivated by an excellent post by WSU Willie. The idea is simple - everybody lists where the stand on the various QBs in the draft, where would you take them, what would you trade to go up and get them, how much would you pay to various FA QBs - at what point would you just stick with McCoy. Ect.

Template (pick an option from each category -- the options go in increasing order of cost, so you can just pick the maximum option you would take):

It may also make sense to list each person in the order that you would want them. Feel free to add other prospects you want to comment on. Remember that the point is not to worry about how other people have evaluated each player (for instance - a GM might say "I would pick up Andrew Luck if he feel to #36, but wouldn't draft him earlier" -- that GM is unlikely to get Andrew Luck, but that's still a valid hypothetical scenario)

I will make a plot of the relative value for each player - once we have input from many people.

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Andrew Luck - (Would not draft at #4), (Would draft at #4), (Would trade #4 and #22), (Would trade #4, #22, 2013 1st Round pick), (Would trade #4, #22, #37, 2012 1st round pick - or more)

Robert Griffin III - (Would not draft at #22), (Would draft at #22), (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4), (Would trade #4 and #22), (Would trade #4, #22, 2012 1st Round pick), (Would trade #4, #22, #37, 2013 1st round pick - or more)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would not draft at #37). (Would draft at #37), (Would draft at #22), (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4), (Would trade #4 and #22)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round), (Would draft in 3rd round), (Would draft at #37), (Would draft at #22), (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round), (Would draft in 3rd round), (Would draft at #37), (Would draft at #22), (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4)

Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round), (Would draft in 3rd round), (Would draft at #37), (Would draft at #22), (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4)

Matt Flynn - (Would not sign), (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~25 million guaranteed), (Would sign for 5 year deal ~35M guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~50M guaranteed)

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign), (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~25 million guaranteed), (Would sign for 5 year deal ~35M guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~50M guaranteed)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign), (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~25 million guaranteed), (Would sign for 5 year deal ~35M guaranteed)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign), (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~25 million guaranteed)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign), (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed), (Would sign 5 year deal ~25 million guaranteed)

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Andrew Luck - (Would not draft at #4), (Would draft at #4), (Would trade #4 and #22), (Would trade #4, #22, 2013 1st Round pick), (Would trade #4, #22, #37, 2013 1st round pick - or more)

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #22)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would not draft at #37)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would not sign)

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

So I'm pretty much saying that if we can't get Luck (which we can't), I want to stay with Colt McCoy. I wouldn't be upset if we took RGIII at pick #4, but it is not my preference.

(Also when listing what you would trade I think you mean 2013 1st round pick)

Andrew Luck - (Would draft at #4)

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #22)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #37)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)
Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)
Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would not sign)

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4 and #22)
Robert Griffin III - (Would trade #22 and #37 to draft ~10)
Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #37)
Brock Osweiler - (Would draft in 3rd round)
Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)
Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round)
Matt Flynn - (Would sign for 2 years ~10 million)
Kevin Kolb - (Would sign for 2 years ~10 million)
Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)
Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)
Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

DRAFT:

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4 and #22 + 2013 1st and a mid round pick this draft)

Robert Griffin III - (Would be "ok" to trade #4 and #22 and "love" to just get him at #4)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would "love" to draft at #22, would be "ok" after a tradedown from #4 for additional, preferably future, picks or trade up from #22 but prefer trade down from #4)

Brandon Weedon - (Would draft as soon as #37, the later the better the value)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in top 5 rounds, dont want him)
Nick Foles - (Would not draft in top 5 rounds, dont want him)

FA:
Jason Campbell - (Perfect fit, thus would sign him regardless of who(if) we draft a QB, but would prefer to draft 1...if we draft a QB high, then trade McCoy...)

Matt Flynn - (upgrade over McCoy, but would not sign him, as I don't believe he has the ceiling....how many backups have panned out? Favre and Schaub....1 every 10 years. For every Favre/Schaub there are 10 AJ Feeleys)

Kevin Kolb - (Torn...hope there are better options)

Kyle Orton - (Would sign if we select Tannehill or Griffin and trade McCoy)

Donovon McNabb - (Really?)

No way I stay with McCoy another season....he'd be lucky to be on the roster if I were GM because I'm convinced he has some trade value now and his trade value far exceeds what he'd bring to the Browns going forward...I think a conditional 5th or 4th isn't unrealistic

Draft:

Andrew Luck - (Would draft at #4), (Would not trade any picks for)
Robert Griffin III - (Would not draft at #4), (Would draft at #22), (Would not trade any picks for)
Ryan Tannehill - (Would not draft at #22), (Would not draft at #37), (Would not trade any picks for)
Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round), (Would draft in 5th round)
Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round), (Would draft with 2nd 4th rounder)
Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft)

I added one more
BJ Coleman - (Would draft with 2nd 4th rounder)

Free Agents:

Matt Flynn - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)
Kevin Kolb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)
Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)
Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)
Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

I added 2 more:

Drew Brees - (Would sign 5 year deal ~50M guaranteed)
Alex Smith - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4 and #37 to draft # 1)
Robert Griffin III - (Would draft @ #22, but would not trade up for)
Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at 4th)
Brock Osweiler - (Would draft in 3rd round)
Nick Foles - (Would not draft)
Brandon Weedon - (Would draft in 5th round)
Matt Flynn - (Would pursue in FA)
Kevin Kolb - (Would not pursue in FA)
Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)
Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)
Kyle Orton - (Would pursue in FA)

Andrew Luck - Would trade #4, #22, #37, 2012 1st round pick - or more if needed.

Robert Griffin III - Would not draft at #22 may consider him after that.

Ryan Tannehill - Would draft at #37

Brock Osweiler - Would draft between #50-#70

Nick Foles - Would not draft in 3rd round

Brandon Weedon - Would draft between #37 and #50

Matt Flynn - Would sign for 4 year deal ~ 20+mil guaranteed

Kevin Kolb - Would sign for 4 year deal ~ 20+ mil guaranteed

Jason Campbell - Would not sign

Donovon McNabb - Would not sign

Kyle Orton - Would not sign

Luck (would draft at 4) (No Chance)
RG3 (would draft at 4) (Possible)
Tannehill (Would draft at 22) He may be gone
Flynn, (would take him as a FA at what it takes moneywise) Miami has this I think

To be honest, if Luck or RG would fall to us at 4, you'd almost have to pull the trigger even if you love McCoy..

I have no idea what Berea is going to do. But I suspect they stick with McCoy and not draft any of the top three QB's.

Andrew Luck -Would trade #4 and #22
Robert Griffin III -Would draft at #4 [Would trade #4 and #37, but it wasn't an option]
Ryan Tannehill - Would not draft at #37
Brock Osweiler - Would not draft in 3rd round
Nick Foles - Would not draft in 3rd round
Brandon Weedon - Would not draft in 3rd round

Matt Flynn - Would not sign
Kevin Kolb - Would not sign
Jason Campbell - Would not sign
Donovon McNabb - Would not sign
Kyle Orton - Would not sign

My basic guideline here is that only Griffin and Luck provide significant improvement over McCoy. Maybe you could talk me into Tannehill eventually being better, but I'd rather have a good player immediately at 37. I thought about checking 'yes' to Weeden in the third, but both he and McCoy will need time to get the offense down, and I like McCoy's mobility. The Flynn thing really increased my hopes that McCoy can significantly improve with more time and talent around him, but if I can get a talent like Luck or Griffin at QB without blowing all of my picks, I do it.

to put a more positive spin on it, I put where I would draft the prospects I wouldn't take in the top3 rounds.

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4 and #22)
Robert Griffin III - (Would trade #22 and #37 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4)
Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft in 3rd round)
Brock Osweiler - (Would draft in 5th round)
Nick Foles - (Would draft in 3rd round)
Brandon Weedon - (Would draft in 4th round)

Matt Flynn - (Would sign 5 year deal ~25 million guaranteed)

Kevin Kolb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed) - do not expect him to be available unless AZ signs Peyton (even then doubtful because of contract ramifications to their cap)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)
Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)
Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - Would trade #4, #22, and probably something else, maybe 2nd or 3rd.

Robert Griffin III - Would draft at 4 or give up 4 and 2nd round

Ryan Tannehill - Would draft at 22.

Brock Osweiler - No TY

Nick Foles - No TY

Brandon Weedon - No TY

Matt Flynn - Would sign if price is right - guess maybe 5 year 25 mill

Kevin Kolb - No TY

Jason Campbell - No TY

Donovon McNabb - No TY

Kyle Orton - No TY

Honestly, I don't know enough about any of them to make an educated decision on them. However, assuming that also goes for the vast majority on here who also get their opinion from other people's opinions I'll enter my stance so you have more to work with.



Andrew Luck -(Would trade #4 and #22)

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #22)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #37)

Brandon Weedon - (Would draft in 3rd round)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would not sign)

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck -(Would trade #4 and #22 and next yr first round pick)

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #4)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #22)

Brandon Weedon - (Would draft in 3rd round)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would sign for right price)

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - Would take at #4, but I think the Colts are set on keeping the pick.

Robert Griffin III - Would draft him at #4, even though I like Blackmon (who could be taken at #2 or #3) I must concede that our FO probable does not value the position as highly as I do.
I want to come away with a play maker on offense at WR or QB, or I'm looking to trade down a few spots with our 4th selection. With that said ... I don't think that he is the end all to end all to solving our QB dilemma and do not favor trading away a chance at 3 prospects in the top 37 selections that can go a long way in improving the 'Team'.

Ryan Tannehill - Would draft at #22, but I don't realistically expect him to fall this far.
His range could be between 6 and 19.

Brock Osweiler - Would draft in the 4th round.

Nick Foles - Would draft in the 4th round a or b.

Brandon Weedon - Would trade back into the 2nd round around #50 or above or take him with our #68 3rd round selection.

Matt Flynn - Would test the waters, but won't get in too deep if it becomes a bidding war.

Kevin Kolb - Would offer a 3rd round pick contingent on signing him to a new contract.

Jason Campbell - Would not sign. Not a big enough up grade over McCoy along with a 3rd or 4th round QB prospect.

Donovon McNabb - Would not sign. Ever!

Kyle Orton - Would not sign. Ever!

Andrew Luck - Would draft at #4

Robert Griffin III - Would trade at #4 Would draft at #22

Ryan Tannehill - Would draft at #37

Brock Osweiler - Would not draft in 3rd round

Nick Foles - Would not draft in 3rd round

Brandon Weedon - Would draft in 3rd round

Matt Flynn - Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed

Kevin Kolb - Would not sign

Jason Campbell - Would not sign

Donovon McNabb - Would not sign

Kyle Orton - Would not sign

Luck: I would trade as many as 3 first round picks to move up to get him. He has as much potential as any QB I have seen coming into the league in a long time. He is experienced in a pro style offense, yet has the ability to handle any offensive style. He can make every throw on the field, and has a solid, if not overwhelming arm. His mechanics are rock solid, as is his footwork. He is as close to a sure thing as the NFL has seen in a long time.

RG3: I would give up both first round picks to get him. He has more risk than Luck, but that's not to say that he is a risky pick. He can make every throw on the field, has excellent mobility, a strong arm, intelligence, and leadership. I think that he has superstar written all over him.

Tannehill: I would not take him before the 2nd, and maybe not even then. He basically needs built. His mechanics and footwork need a lot of work. He is good on short passes, but his strength and accuracy down the field is not NFL quality. He needs a lot of work on his decision making processes ...... due to being so inexperienced at the QB position. I see huge bust potential here, despite having prototypical size and a decent arm.

Weeden: Maybe in the 3rd round. I like a lot about him, but there is still the age thing hanging over his head. He can make all of the throws though, and his maturity would be a plus if forced into immediate action.

Foles and Osweiler: Meh. More developmental types than potential starters in their first few years. I wouldn't look at them at all at this point.

Flynn: No thanks. He was an inexperienced QB when he entered the league, and he hasn't gained experience since. You want to talk about a high risk guy ..... this is it. I just don't see a sudden influx of upside because he sat behind Flynn.

Kolb: I think that the front office would get him if he was available. He is a pure WCO type QB. He really doesn't fit a vertical type offense. This is the thing that concerns me about the WCO .... that there is this arrogance that says that even a lesser QB can succeed. Not really. Favre wasn't a throw short guy. Neither is Rodgers. There hasn't been a "2nd tier" type QB win a Super Bowl from this offense in the past 10 years. That worries me. I see no reason to say that we can't go get a guy with superior tools to run the WCO. It's worked out pretty well for Green Bay on a couple of occasions.

Campbell: Maybe. He would be an upgrade, and he would definitely involve the receivers more. I worry that a guy like this might be "good enough for a few years", at which time we haven't won anything, and are now looking to fill holes again. I would probably sign him if I could do so to maybe a 2 year deal.

McNabb: McDone. No thanks. No interest. I would rather have McCoy start than McNabb. His day has come, and gone, and then gone again just for good measure.

Orton: I think there will be some competition for Orton. He has always worried me for some reason. He can make throws down the field, and has a fairly solid track record ..... but he always seems one throw away from disaster to me. I dunno why. Anyway, I think there is a strong possibility that he winds up staying in KC ...... and maybe Matt Cassel becomes the next name fans want to chase.

Luck: Would give up 2 firsts

RG3: Would take in the 2nd. Another undersized running QB out of the spread

Tannehill: I would probably pull the plug at 4. I believe he is a franchise QB tailor made for this offense.

Weeden has dropped on my boards due to just lousy footwork. 5th rounder

Foles and Osweiler: 5th rounders probably take the kid from Yale over them

Flynn: Love what I have seen from the kid but the history of these backups are total busts with Schaub being the exception and he can't stay healthy.

Campbell: Sucked before the injury

Kolb: We already have a Kolb named Colt

McNabb: I would sign immediatley and explain. You are my backup unless I don't get my QB in the draft. If I dont get him, then you get your shot.

Orton: Can't hit a moving target

Andrew Luck - Would be OK with any deal that lands him.

Robert Griffin III - Not crazy about him but won't be mad if they take him without trading up. Would prefer Blackmon at #4.

Ryan Tannehill - Would draft in the 3rd round. Don't think he's the answer we're looking for.

Brock Osweiler - Would not draft.

Nick Foles - Would not draft.

Brandon Weedon - Would draft in 2nd or 3rd. I know he's older but I think he'll be a good QB in the NFL.

Matt Flynn - Would sign him before drafting anyone (except Luck). Would rather see him and Colt compete while using the draft picks to fill other needs.

Kevin Kolb - Not interested.

Jason Campbell - Not interested.

Donovon McNabb - Not interested.

Kyle Orton - Not interested.

Andrew Luck - (Would draft at #4), (Would trade #4 and #22), (Would trade #4, #22, 2013 2nd Round pick),

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #22), (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would draft at #4),

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #37),

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Brandon Weedon - (Would draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would not sign)

Kevin Kolb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)

Jason Campbell - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - Would draft at #4, Would trade #4 and #22,

Robert Griffin III - Would draft at #4, Would draft at #22

Ryan Tannehill - Would draft at #37

Brock Osweiler - Would draft in 5th round

Nick Foles - Would draft in 5th round

Brandon Weedon - Would not draft

Matt Flynn - Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed

Kevin Kolb - Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed

Jason Campbell - Would not sign

Donovan McNabb - Would not sign

Kyle Orton - Would not sign

Seneca Wallace - Would trade

Colt McCoy - Would keep

Thaddeus Lewis - Would work him hard in camp and OTA's to see what he's got.

Andrew Luck - I would be willing to give up both 1sts plus a 3rd and 4th this year and a 2nd and 4th next year.

Robert Griffin III - Not sure about him, would probably use #22 on him.

Ryan Tannehill - Like him but a bit of a project, i would use pick 37 on him

Brock Osweiler - wouldn't draft

Nick Foles - Would be willing to use a 4th rnd pick

Brandon Weedon - Wouldn't draft

Matt Flynn - Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed

Kevin Kolb - Wouldn't sign

Jason Campbell - Wouldn't sign

Donovon McNabb - Wouldn't sign

Kyle Orton - Wouldn't sign

I thought that I would make a list of starters and backups currently on NFL teams ...... just for reference ....... (I am not checking contract statuses though)

Baltimore: Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor
Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon, Byron Leftwich (IR)
Cincinnati: Andy Dalton, Bruce Gradkowski
Cleveland: Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace, Thad Lewis

New England: Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallet
NY Jets: Mark Sanchez, Mark Brunnel, Kevin O'Connel, Greg McElroy (IR)
Miami: Matt Moore, JP Losman, Pat Devlin, Chad Henne (IR)
Buffalo: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Thigpen

Houston: TJ Yates, Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia, Matt Schaub, (IR) Matt Leinart (IR)
Tennessee: Matt Hasselbeck, Jake Locker, Rusty Smith
Jacksonville: Blaine Gabbert, Luke McCown, Dan LeFevour
Indy: Dan Orlovsky, Curtis Painter, Peyton Manning, Kerry Collins (IR)

Denver: Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn
San Diego: Phillip Rivers, Billy Volek
Oakland: Carson Palmer, Kyle Boller, Terrelle Pryor, Jason Campbell
Kansas City: Kyle Orton, Ricky Stanzi, Tyler Palko, Matt Cassel (IR)

NY Giants: Eli Manning, David Carr
Philly: Michael Vick, Vince Young, Mike Kafka
Dallas: Tony Romo, Stephen McGee, Jon Kitna (IR)
Washington: Rex Grossman, John Beck

Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Graham Harrell
Detroit: Matthew Stafford, Shaun Hill, Drew Stanton
Chicago: Josh McCown, Caleb Haney, Nathan Enderle, Jay Cutler (IR)
Minnesota: Christian Ponder, Joe Webb, Sage Rosenfels

New Orleans: Drew Brees, Chase Daniel
Atlanta: Matt Ryan, Chris Redman, John Parker Wilson
Carolina: Cam Newton, Derek Anderson, Jimmy Claussen
Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman, Josh Johnson, Rudy Carpenter (How weird is it for one team to have 2 QB named "Josh"?)

San Francisco: Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Scott Tolzien
Arizona: John Skelton, Richard Bartel, Kevin Kolb, Max Hall (IR)
Seattle: Tavaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst, Josh Portis
St Louis: Kellen Clemons, Tom Brandstater, Sam Bradford, AJ Feeley

I think that's fairly complete. I checked depth charts and IR lists ..... but if I missed anyone, feel free to update the list. As I said above, I didn;t check contract statuses .... but we know that Matt Flynn, Brady Quinn, and Drew Brees are all UFA when free agency starts.

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4, #22, #37, 2012 1st round pick - or more) Lock him up and trade down the next 2-3 years to make up for it. (Not likely to happen)

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #37)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #22) (Rather trade down from #4 and take at 10)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed) Hard to say how he'll turn out, and I figure he's going to Miami anyways.

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign),

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed) Mostly to mentor and be a servicable backup.

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

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Andrew Luck - Would trade #4, #22, #37, 2013 1st round pick and MORE

Robert Griffin III - Would draft at #4, Would trade #4 and #22

Ryan Tannehill - Would not draft anywhere

Brock Osweiler - Would not draft anywhere

Nick Foles - Would not draft anywhere

Brandon Weedon -Would not draft anywhere

Matt Flynn - Would not trade for---Would not sign---Kelly Holcomb II

Kevin Kolb - Would not trade for---Would not sign

Jason Campbell - Would not sign

Donovon McNabb - Would not sign

Kyle Orton - Would not sign

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Pretty simple...

1) Go get Luck---And keep building
2) Go get RGIII (IF the FO likes what they see)---And keep building
3) Stick with McCoy---Use all the picks and FA---And keep building

This is our last chance to secure a TOP QB in a draft...

U guys talk about wasting an entire draft to move up for a QB???...Wait till u see what it takes to go from 12-17 to the Top 2 in future years...And there is no Luck coming anytime soon...

I agree.

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4 and #22),

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #4)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #22)

Brock Osweiler - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would sign for 5 year deal ~35M guaranteed)

Kevin Kolb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4, #22, 2013 1st Round pick), (Would think about trading #4, #22, #37, 2012 1st round pick - or more)

Robert Griffin III - (Would trade #22 and #36 to draft ~10), (Would think about drafting at #4)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #22)

Brock Osweiler - (Would draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Brandon Weedon - (Would draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would not sign)

Kevin Kolb - (Would not sign)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - (Would trade #4 and #22),

Robert Griffin III - (Would draft at #4)

Ryan Tannehill - (Would draft at #22)

Brock Osweiler - (Would draft in 3rd round)

Nick Foles - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Brandon Weedon - (Would not draft in 3rd round)

Matt Flynn - (Would sign for 5 year deal ~35M guaranteed)

Kevin Kolb - (Would sign for 2 year deal ~10 million guaranteed)

Jason Campbell - (Would not sign)

Donovon McNabb - (Would not sign)

Kyle Orton - (Would not sign)

Andrew Luck - Would trade #4 and #22

Robert Griffin III - Would draft at #22

Ryan Tannehill - Would not draft at #37

Brock Osweiler - Would not draft in 3rd round

Nick Foles - Would not draft in 3rd round

Brandon Weedon - Would not draft in 3rd round

Matt Flynn - Would not sign

Kevin Kolb - Would not sign

Jason Campbell - Would sign for 2 year deal

Donovan McNabb - Would not sign

Kyle Orton - Would not sign

I'm surprised there are not more post already.

I just wanted to correct a common mistake I see over and over and that is our 2nd round pick ... We will be selecting behind TB in Round 2 (even rounds), so that gives us the 37th selection and not the 36th.

Lyuokdea sorry man, I didn't adhere to your criteria, but you being the smart guy I think you are can figure it out.

Jaybird what does "NO TY" mean?

I'm guessing it is "No Thank You"

I would trade the 4 and 22 for Luck..

I would draft Griffin at 4

If the above doesn't happen.. Keep Colt and ignore the rest of the QB's in this class.

But, we have Heckert and Holmgren on our staff helping with the draft who both believe there is a high ROI for drafting a QB in the middle rounds. Both Philly and GB were known for drafting QBs as backups, mentoring them, then flipping them for draft picks later.

I can fully see the Browns drafting a guy like Foles in the 3rd or some QB in the 4th even if they decide to go 1 more year with Colt. We pretty much have the QB3 spot open anyway.

Just a general question here ...... because I really am curious about this .....

For those who would sign Flynn ..... and let's be honest, it will almost certainly take more than $10 million guaranteed to do so ........ why do you want him? What have you seen him do, specifically, that makes you think that he will be a great QB? Let's remember that Derek Anderson put up 51 against Cincinnati in his 1st start of the 2007 season, throwing 5 TD passes, and also had nice games against Miami and St Louis, with 72% completion rates, and a total of 6 TD passes to 0 INT. If those had been the first 3 games (or 3 of the 1st 4 after the change was made) he would have had 11 TD passes to only 1 INT.

Flynn played against a very overrated Detroit defense. They were giving up points by the bucket full at the end of last year. They allowed 37, (Chicago) 35, (Carolina) 27, (Green Bay) 31 (New Orleans) 28, (Minnesota) 27, (Oakland) 10, (San Diego) 45 (Green Bay) and 45, (New Orleans) in their last 9 games. They were not some defensive powerhouse. In the 1st half of last season they only allowed over 24 points twice. In the 2nd half, they only allowed under 27 once.

I see a lot of stuff to be concerned about with Flynn. You know that the Detroit defense, which at this point wasn't playing very well anyway) had to be thinking "No Aaron Rodgers? Oh thank goodness, we get the game off.", because that's how they played that game. I didn't get to see the game, and I wonder how many people who back Flynn did?

What is it, specifically, that you saw/know that convinces you that he is worth a huge investment?