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Terry Pluto's Talkin' ... about the shotgun and the Browns, McCoy took the majority of his snaps this year under center, but performed more productively from the shotgun. That reflects the growing number of NFL quarterbacks who arrive from extensive shotgun offenses in college, says Terry Pluto. CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Pitchers and catchers may soon report, but this is Brownstown, so ... About the Browns and the shotgun 1. One of the major issues for teams scouting the NFL draft is how so many college offenses are spread, with the quarterback receiving snaps from center at least five yards behind the line of scrimmage. Stanford's Andrew Luck is so loved by the pros in part because he typically took snaps straight from the center. Luck ran a variety of offenses at Stanford, and many scouts believe he is the most polished quarterback to come into NFL since Peyton Manning. 2. The Browns would love to grab Luck, and probably will try to at least make some attempt to deal for him. Indianapolis would be foolish to trade the pick and come back with only Peyton Manning for another season -- after Manning has had either three or four surgeries (depending on reports) on his neck. 3. That's why all the conversation is about the Browns and other quarterback-hungry teams trading up for with the Rams for the No. 2 pick, then taking Robert Griffin III. The Baylor quarterback has worked mostly out of the spread, one scout estimating more than 90 percent of his passes coming from the shotgun. 4. Last season, the Browns threw 47.7 percent of their passes from the shotgun, according to Profootballfocus.com. The Browns ranked 27th out of 32 teams. In 2010 when Pat Shurmur was in St. Louis calling the plays in the same West Coast offense (WCO), the Rams were in the shotgun 49.8 percent, ranking 25th. So that's about the same in both places. 5. Those stats reveal that Shurmur prefers his quarterback under center. At a press conference, I asked him why ... and he said it's because it gives the quarterback and more options in terms of running and passing plays. The father of the WCO, Bill Walsh, hated the idea of a quarterback in the shotgun. Walsh believed a quarterback could see the defense better from under center because he is closer to the line of scrimmage. 6. In 2010, the offense of Eric Mangini and Brian Daboll had quarterbacks in the shotgun 56 percent, ranking 15th. 7. On the field, it was about the same. In 2010, Browns quarterbacks had a 75.0 rating with 13 touchdowns compared to 18 interceptions. In 2011, it was a 72.8 rating with 16 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. The shotgun is not a magic formula. 8. Teams do change. In 2010, Carolina ranked 17th (55.2 percent) before Cam Newton. After making the Auburn quarterback the No. 1 pick in the draft, the Panthers ranked sixth (69.4 percent). Denver stayed at No. 4, but increased the use of the shotgun from 65.5 percent to 73.8 percent with Tim Tebow. 9. Each year, the shotgun is being used more often. This season, 58.6 percent of passes were thrown from that formation. 10. Colt McCoy's QB rating was 69.2 under center with five touchdowns and six interceptions. It was 79.6 in the shotgun with nine touchdowns and fine interceptions. This is not say all will be well if only they let McCoy throw more from the shotgun. But it does show he is more effective there. 11. There are different versions of the WCO. Green Bay has its own, and the Packers were ninth (66.6 percent) in playing from the shotgun with Aaron Rodgers. New offensive coordinator Brad Childress and Shurmur are disciples of Andy Reid, and the Eagles were 17th (59.9 percent) in 2011, eighth (61 percent) in 2010 with Michael Vick. 12. The teams using it the most were Detroit (80.5 percent), Buffalo (75.1 percent) and New England (74 percent). The three lowest were Chicago (21.8 percent), Houston (33.9 percent) and Oakland (38.1 percent). 13. Members of the Browns coaching staff worked with Kevin Kolb and Sam Bradford when they came out of college -- and both were far more in the shotgun than under center. Both were able to make the adjustment, learning the footwork to drop back and throw. 14. So what's the point of all these numbers? I agree with Mike Mayock, who told the PD's Mary Kay Cabot: "If Cleveland moves up to get [Griffin], they have to make this kid comfortable. He's too explosive and too much of a playmaker to have him just sit there and read the triangle the West Coast offense is. In other words, Brad Childress and that group of coaches in Cleveland is going to have to change some things to make this kid the playmaker he is." 15. Browns defensive back Joe Haden and former Cavs broadcaster Joe Tait will be at the Wahoo Club Luncheon on March 3. For more information, call Bob Rosen at 440-724-8350 or go to wahooclub.com. web page
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12. The teams using it the most were Detroit (80.5 percent), Buffalo (75.1 percent) and New England (74 percent). The three lowest were Chicago (21.8 percent), Houston (33.9 percent) and Oakland (38.1 percent).
Detroit and NE both made the playoffs. Buffalo gave up the fewest sacks in the NFL this season (23.)
Chicago, Houston, and Oakland's QBs all ended the season on IR.
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12. The teams using it the most were Detroit (80.5 percent), Buffalo (75.1 percent) and New England (74 percent). The three lowest were Chicago (21.8 percent), Houston (33.9 percent) and Oakland (38.1 percent).
Detroit and NE both made the playoffs. Buffalo gave up the fewest sacks in the NFL this season (23.)
Chicago, Houston, and Oakland's QBs all ended the season on IR.
I'm just sayin'.
Wow .... I didn't realize that. That's pretty amazing, actually ..... because it would seem, using conventional wisdom, that the opposite would be true.
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Just rewatched the Harrison hit on McCoy cause I got curious....McCoy took the hit 6 (!!) seconds after the snap...that's an eternity He had a clean pocket...didn't make a throw when he probably should have (it was 2nd&5 after all) and pretty much ran himself into Harrison...he looked right for 3 seconds and then aborted the play and did the chicken run into Harrison, never trusting Thomas and Pinkston to pick up the guy who he saw coming on 2nd effort I never realized how symptomatic that play was for McCoy's game...perfect example of why he isn't a NFL QB...1read'n'tuck, no pocket awareness, takes too long to get rid of the ball DESPITE only 1 reading the field and getting himself on IR...it's all there in 1 play http://www.youtube.com/v/IfFW-Yezv0k
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Just rewatched the Harrison hit on McCoy cause I got curious....McCoy took the hit 6 (!!) seconds after the snap...that's an eternity
He had a clean pocket...didn't make a throw when he probably should have (it was 2nd&5 after all) and pretty much ran himself into Harrison...he looked right for 3 seconds and then aborted the play and did the chicken run into Harrison, never trusting Thomas and Pinkston to pick up the guy who he saw coming on 2nd effort
I never realized how symptomatic that play was for McCoy's game...perfect example of why he isn't a NFL QB...1read'n'tuck, no pocket awareness, takes too long to get rid of the ball DESPITE only 1 reading the field and getting himself on IR...it's all there in 1 play
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Yes, it took six seconds.. yes, he got the ball out and we got the first down.. Yes, he had a clean pocket until he was flushed out of the pocket, NO, he didn't run into harrison, Harrison ran into him.
What you fail to mention is, dispite all that, he made the play and it was successful.. THEN he got hammered by Harrison.
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illegal hits are illegal hits no matter how long it took to throw the ball. not sure what you mean by that observation.
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Grasp 4 any straws lately???...lol...
Exactly what is this suppose to prove???...U just takin' a shot at Griffin...Cool...
Does tell me one thing...We aren't in the "Gun" enough...
Also...Walsh???...Please...Times have changed but this will never change...The further away from something u r...The LESS ANGLE of view needed to see a larger part of what's in front of u...Tell me u can read a D better by being 15 feet closer to the LOS...Whatever...That's a damn JOKE...Here...Go tell Brady that since he's one of the highest % Gun QB's in the NFL...
Under center is great and it's a necessary evil if u wanna have ANY Play-Action options...
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This is a real issue with Qbs from the spread and not just Colt. You look at most of the QBs that operated from the spread and they have a very hard time finding receivers, hold the ball to long and get clobbered. Akili Smith, Tim couch, Joey Harrington, david Klingler, Andre Ware even Bradford, Alex Smith and Vick struggled or continue to struggle and take the big hits. CAm Newton and Tebow take the big hits but they have the body to absorb them at least for a few years like Couch did until his shoulder was destroyed as well as his confidence
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It was a 7 step drop. He had about 3 1/2 seconds of "clean" pocket.
After the 3 1/2 seconds, he had someone coming in his face - as he was doing what people say he doesn't do - he was stepping up in the pocket.
Now, if you call 3 1/2 seconds a "clean" pocket on a 7 step drop pass play, I don't know what to say.
Also not shown is exactly what the receivers were doing - what routes.
And lastly - an illegal hit is an illegal hit. Period.
Had the jerk hit mccoy in the chest - this play probably isn't ever brought up. But, since the jerk cheapshotted the qb, now people want to say it was the qb's fault?
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It was just Karma for all the times he has gotten his targets killed in the past 2 seasons.
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To whom? The only guy in the video is coming across the middle and gets popped by Troy P even when the ball is NOT thrown to him... so do you see somebody open or are you just guessing?
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Mack and the right side of the line did a nice job, Thomas and Pinkston initially made their double team, then Pinkston was thrown 2 yards backwards and out of position, which is what allowed the guy to bounce toward the middle and get right into McCoys face before Pinkston made a last ditch effort to get a body on him, which he partially did.. but if McCoy doesn't get out of the pocket, he gets sacked right there..
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Getting back to the original idea of the article ..... and spread QBs, and such ...... I found this interesting ..... From last year right before the draft ........ I'm only going to post the pertinent portion, but anyone who wants is free (obviously) to read the rest at their leisure. NFL draft 2011: The truth about spread offenses and young QBs - ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6355471Of the 24 quarterbacks taken in the first or second round of the draft since 2005, 11 ran a variation of the spread offense in college. Despite starting fewer games in the NFL than their non-spread counterparts, their career statistics are almost identical. (There is a table showing the comparison, with each side having advantages overall) The 11 spread quarterbacks had a slightly higher passer rating in the NFL than the non-spread quarterbacks. They also had a higher completion percentage and winning percentage. It is reasonable to believe the players who ran the spread in college would struggle in their first year in the league. Again, that is not the case. Of the quarterbacks drafted in the first two rounds since 2005, 11 of them took 150 or more snaps in their rookie seasons. Of those players, the spread quarterbacks started fewer games but had a higher completion percentage and TD-to-INT ratio. However, the spread quarterbacks were sacked at a higher rate, which could point to an inability to read defenses and make decisions as efficiently.
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some people want to believe that McCoy had a supporting cast of very intelligent football players around him.
the truth is,he didn't.
The Browns really lack a pure WR and it showed with inconsistant route running and drops.
very rarely did I see when McCoy had to vacate the pocket cause his interior o-line was getting whipped,did a WR break off his route and come back toward Colt.
It finally happened I think in the Cards game when Little when left to right and took it 75 yards for a TD.
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Did it "finally" happen then ...... or did the QB "finally" notice a receiver doing so?
I honestly can't say for sure.
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I dislike the spread.
But,many of you have a complete misunderstanding of what it is about.
My HS team runs a spread,sometimes.(Also runs a Stack-I,now that's football at it's most brutal)Each play the QB has 3 reads,starting with an initial "hot" between he and a specific WR.
At most college programs that is expanded upon.
Here is the confusing part,the athletic QB.There is a long list of them,Pryor,T.Smith,the big armed guy that went to Oakland.Simple reads (in Pryor's case the Mike for God's sake) if this,then that,then run.
3rd and long,no one's fooled,you're going to throw the ball.Getting the D to spread out and having your QB at depth is the most efficient way to do it.
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Did it "finally" happen then ...... or did the QB "finally" notice a receiver doing so?
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Ok,, Something really cool happens in a game (and it was pretty cool right) and you can't say if it finally happened or if he finally noticed it, But you are SURE HE'S NOT THE ONE 
Now that right there is FUNNY 
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Correct. We don't know.
I'm going to put this out here, though.
First, I don't think our qb was as bad as some think.
Secondly, I don't think our o line was as bad as some think.
Third, I DO think our receivers were probably as bad as most think.
Fourth, our running game was as bad, if not worse, than some think.
To anyone that wants to talk stats - save it. We've seen them all anyway.
Bottom line? Our O line was not good enough to hide our receivers, lack of running game, and need for improvement from the qb position.
Our qb was not good enough to hide the o-line play, the receivers play, or the lack of a running game.
Our receivers didn't hide anything.
Our running game didn't help anything.
I don't think the Browns were a "terrible" team - they just didn't have enough to over come the deficiencies that existed in EVERY offensive "unit".
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Well, we'll probably find out about our receivers and QB this coming year, because someone is almost certain to be replaced from one side or the other. (if not both)
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Did it "finally" happen then ...... or did the QB "finally" notice a receiver doing so?
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Ok,, Something really cool happens in a game (and it was pretty cool right) and you can't say if it finally happened or if he finally noticed it, But you are SURE HE'S NOT THE ONE
Now that right there is FUNNY
You do realize that it was Wallace who made the throw to Little for the long TD ... right? 
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Well, we'll probably find out about our receivers and QB this coming year, because someone is almost certain to be replaced from one side or the other. (if not both)
And that is wonderful! SOMETHING needs to be done. But, did you catch my drift in the post? The fact that we are lacking in some extent at qb, and line, and desperate at receiver and running? (now, I'll grant - and I also take into consideration, that our running game was hampered by having our starting back out for how many games???? Our second string running back would have trouble staying healthy if he worked at a car wash. Shoot - didn't he get hurt in pre-game one time this year?)
We don't have a dominate anything on offense. We don't have (or should I say didn't have last year) a good anything.
It's tough to blame the qb, or the o line - when the lack in receiving and running were the main themes.
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Did it "finally" happen then ...... or did the QB "finally" notice a receiver doing so?
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Ok,, Something really cool happens in a game (and it was pretty cool right) and you can't say if it finally happened or if he finally noticed it, But you are SURE HE'S NOT THE ONE
Now that right there is FUNNY
You do realize that it was Wallace who made the throw to Little for the long TD ... right?
Now THAT right there is funny...lmao...
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And that is wonderful! SOMETHING needs to be done. But, did you catch my drift in the post? The fact that we are lacking in some extent at qb, and line, and desperate at receiver and running? (now, I'll grant - and I also take into consideration, that our running game was hampered by having our starting back out for how many games???? Our second string running back would have trouble staying healthy if he worked at a car wash. Shoot - didn't he get hurt in pre-game one time this year?)
We don't have a dominate anything on offense. We don't have (or should I say didn't have last year) a good anything.
It's tough to blame the qb, or the o line - when the lack in receiving and running were the main themes.
U STILL DO NOT GET IT... 
We all understand the lack of supporting cast...We get it...
What YOU don't get is the fact that McCoy is LIMITED in what he can do even WITH a supporting cast...
That's what u and others fail to see...
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Well, we'll probably find out about our receivers and QB this coming year, because someone is almost certain to be replaced from one side or the other. (if not both)
And that is wonderful! SOMETHING needs to be done. But, did you catch my drift in the post? The fact that we are lacking in some extent at qb, and line, and desperate at receiver and running? (now, I'll grant - and I also take into consideration, that our running game was hampered by having our starting back out for how many games???? Our second string running back would have trouble staying healthy if he worked at a car wash. Shoot - didn't he get hurt in pre-game one time this year?)
We don't have a dominate anything on offense. We don't have (or should I say didn't have last year) a good anything.
It's tough to blame the qb, or the o line - when the lack in receiving and running were the main themes.
U STILL DO NOT GET IT...
We all understand the lack of supporting cast...We get it...
What YOU don't get is the fact that McCoy is LIMITED in what he can do even WITH a supporting cast...
That's what u and others fail to see...
Oh. 
Try re-reading my post - but do it slower. You would even be allowed to have a dictionary, AND a translator if you so choose.
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I look at each unit and try to prioritize though.
I look at McCoy and see a guy whose maximum upside might approach average. That's simply not good enough to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL. You need a guy who can punish defenses when they cheat. That's not McCoy ... no matter who his receivers, running backs, or line are.
I do think that we need to add a WR, RB, and a RT ....... however, IMHO, the biggest need we have is the guy who takes damn near each and every offensive snap. If we get that piece right, the others might get better at the same time.
I know that you disagree ... and that's your right .... but again, I look back to the Frye years ..... when the receivers sucked .... the line sucked ...... we couldn't run ....... and then it all changed when we removed Frye and installed Anderson as QB. He was far from perfect, and in fact had some major flaws, but he was 1000% better than Frye, and he helped make the rest of the team look better, as opposed to dragging them down with his ineffective play.
I know that you feel that we can win with Frye if we get the rest of the offense right. I don't. I think that McCoy is a drag on the entire offense, and is the single biggest limiting factor. We'll see how the front office feels within the next couple f months.
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So many excuses alreaday after my post..and I didn't even read them all:
1. You can look at Thomas body language (yes it was him that released the 2nd effort DL too early btw) hat he expected the ball to be in the air already...if he's not open, throw it away...or at least go to your 2nd read...instead McCoy froze for half a second and looked around him (a QB should NEVER do that), so he panicked at a 2nd effort guy (I keep stressing that to illustrate that he had enough time before as everything was blocked on the 1st rush) who would have been blocked away from him if he kept his eyes downfield or to his 2nd/3rd read, which he NEVER did...my point is: you either get rid of the ball throwing it away or go to your second read..but NEVER EVER do you take your eyes off to see IF you have enought time left...that's a precious second you lose and never get back to make a play...he did the same thing on the Moore TD, who was open on blown coverage 2-3 seconds before he ever looked his way because he scrambled in the pocket because of "phantom pressure"...he has no pocket awareness whatsoever
2. McCoy did NOT step into the pocket...he ran outside and away from it...and no, he would NOT have been sacked..all it took was a step to his left, REMAIN in the pocket and go to your progressions...I mean, how many times have we seen that from real QBs like Roethli, Manning, Rodgers? I even think the step to his left wasn't necessary as the DL would have been thrown away by Pinkston at the last second...but since he took his eyes from downfield and froze at the D approching him (there are ALWAYS defenders coming at ya, in any play in the NFL...if you concentrate on them, which is the OL's job, you won't make plays...and that's a BIG part of Colt's problems) he took off...it was totally unnecessary and once he was outside the pocket he was unprotected and a freelancing defender's dream come true...Roethli eludes thos defenders on 1st rush (ask Rubin about that, who got to him unblocked multiple times without getting him)
3. What Roethli does is pocket awareness...what Colt does is guessing, freezing at defenders and run around panicked because of it...Roethli keeps his eyes downfield and makes plays 5+ seconds AFTER the snap and being pressured (we've all seen him do it multiple times)....Colt scrambles, runs around, either gets sacked, dumps it off to Mack or a RB whoever he sees in his jersey colours or if he gets lucky gets some yds with his feet...have ou ever seen him make a play downfield keeping his eyes there? The Moore TD was a rare occasion as it was only phantom pressure, so he had time to regroup and get his eyes downfield for the 2nd read...but it took him 6+ seconds, where good QB's eyes are after 2 seconds...and THAT EXACTLY is the problem....that makes the OL look worse, the receivers....everyone...if your QB doesn't go through his progressions at all or not quick enough, everyone will look bad...after all he's the guy that holds the ball for all those seconds without throwing it to someone who could make a play THEN...the decision/non-decision of throwing comes first though....he's slow to process, doesn't trust what he sees and what he can do and has no feel for hte pocket....and there are really guys out there who want to see more of that...Jesus
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Tell me u can read a D better by being 15 feet closer to the LOS...Whatever...That's a damn JOKE...
No, it's because the QB has to take his eye's off the defense to concentrate on the snap. Defenses disguise the coverage very well at this level and the shotgun QB is at a disadvantage, (Tom Brady is a poor example, because we are talking about a seasoned vet who has seem most anything a defense can throw at him) because most of the time a defense will look much different after the snap.
Also learning to take 3, 5 or 7 step drops is as much about timing as it is about footwork and that takes any QB time to master. The less familiar a rookie QB is under center, then the more he will have to work on that aspect of his game.
As much as some of you don't want to concede to the fact that Griffen has a lot of work to do at this level. It's true, no matter how you or he spins it.
Griffen has nothing to compare his experience against.
With that said I think he has as good a chance to be successful at this level as the next guy, but I have no illusions that he will come in this offense and not struggle some at the on set.
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1. You can look at Thomas body language (yes it was him that released the 2nd effort DL too early btw) hat he expected the ball to be in the air already..
Wrong. He looked to see where his help was......and it was 2 yds behind him.
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.if he's not open, throw it away...or at least go to your 2nd read...instead McCoy froze for half a second and looked around him (a QB should NEVER do that),
So, on a 7 step drop - (here's a clue for you: that means the primary receiver is going deep), a qb isn't allowed, or supposed, to read the d? Got it.
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so he panicked at a 2nd effort guy (I keep stressing that to illustrate that he had enough time before as everything was blocked on the 1st rush)
Panicked at a second effort guy that was in his face after 3 or 3 1/2 seconds? Yeah - he should've just stood there to wait for someone to get open. And he'd have had his bell rung and been sacked. Duh. What video are you watching?
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2. McCoy did NOT step into the pocket...
Honestly - for you to be taken seriously - you need to watch the video. Colt DID step into the pocket. The pocket was great - except for that steeler d lineman that was in the middle of it. Colt DID step up. If you can't see that, it is NOT my fault you are blind.
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so he had time to regroup and get his eyes downfield for the 2nd read...but it took him 6+ seconds, where good QB's eyes are after 2 seconds..
7 step drop bud. 7 step drop. After 2 seconds he's supposed to be on his second read? Wow.
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.and THAT EXACTLY is the problem....that makes the OL look worse, the receivers....everyone...if your QB doesn't go through his progressions at all or not quick enough, everyone will look bad...after all he's the guy that holds the ball for all those seconds without throwing it to someone who could make a play THEN...the decision/non-decision of throwing comes first though....he's slow to process, doesn't trust what he sees and what he can do and has no feel for hte pocket....and there are really guys out there who want to see more of that...Jesus
So, on a 7 step drop - he's supposed to, within 2 seconds of the snap - know if his first read is open - when the first read isn't 1/3 of the way into his route? Got it. I'm sure the safeties were broadcasting exactly where they were going, right? After all, it was 2 seconds, right?
And further, on a 7 step drop - you want our qb checking down after 2 seconds? Wow. At 2 seconds, he was about 4 to 4 1/2 steps into is drop.
At 3 to 3 1/2 seconds he had someone getting ready to truck him. Because his left guard got his ass shoved back 2 or 3 yards.
Honestly - you know some football - but in this conversation - you're showing a ridiculous inability to actually process what happened in this play.
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DJ...either you don't know how to read the video or you are too biased to give an honest opinion...
first I will give you this break down...
Time....at 5:59, ball is snapped...
...........at 5:58, McCoy has covered about half of his 7 step drop
...........at 5:57, McCoy has dropped 7 steps and plants, reading coverage on his LTE running a 3 yd left to right pass over the middle, in front of Steeler LBs and the SS. Then McCoy appears to look down field in the direction of Little who may have been running a left seam route, as McCoy cocks his arm to throw.
...........at 5:56, McCoy appears to come off the left seam route and begin to look toward the left flat where Hardesty has flared. Then McCoy begins to run left toward the sidelines. Harrison, who is covering Hardesty, is 8 yds in front of Hardesty.
..........at 5:55, McCoy is still 6 yds behind the LOS, running toward the sidelines and begins to turn upfield toward the first down marker. Harrison begins to come off his pass coverage, and toward McCoy.
..........at 5:54, McCoy is within 3 yds of the LOS and 7 yds from Hardesty, reading the LB Harrison who is between McCoy and Hardesty, trying to decide if he should cover Hardesty or go after McCoy. Just before the clock turns to 5:53, McCoy dumps the ball to Hardesty as Harrison went for McCoy.
...........at 5:53, just as the clock turns to 5:53, the pass is over Harrison's head and almost to Hardesty, just Harrison begins to hit McCoy.
............at 5:52, just as the clock turns to 5:52, McCoy is flat on his back and Hardesty is beginning to run up the sideline
............at 5:51, Hardesty's knee touches the ground..a 5 yd gain.
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11. There are different versions of the WCO. Green Bay has its own
I think that this is a common misconception.
The WCO is but a foundation from witch everything else derives from.
I think that it is also a misconception that Bill Walsh's original version was vanilla WCO 101.
He might have preferred his QB's under center and Shurmur reiterated some of the reasons why he did above, but there wasn't a game plan Bill Walsh helped draw up that didn't include a new wrinkle or two ect.....
He went deep too, but he knew how to set it up and to get the looks he wanted to go deep on.
The man was simply brilliant and ahead of the curb for his time.
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11. There are different versions of the WCO. Green Bay has its own
I think that this is a common misconception.
The WCO is but a foundation from witch everything else derives from.
I think that it is also a misconception that Bill Walsh's original version was vanilla WCO 101.
He might have preferred his QB's under center and Shurmur reiterated some of the reasons why he did above, but there wasn't a game plan Bill Walsh helped draw up that didn't include a new wrinkle or two ect.....
He went deep too, but he knew how to set it up and to get the looks he wanted to go deep on.
The man was simply brilliant and ahead of the curb for his time.
If Bill Walsh was the father of the foundation of the WCO, Then Paul Brown is the footer that anchors it
There are many different things that you can build from a single foundation.
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Now I will give you the break down of the offensive line...
Time....at 5:59, ball is snapped...the Steelers are presenting a 5 man front with RLB Harrison and LLB Worilds lined up over the Browns TEs
...........at 5:58, Harrison flows to the flat in pass coverage while the LLB Worilds rushs the QB, leaving the Browns with 5 Olineman to block 4 defensemen. Thomas has no one to block because Harrison dropped into coverage, Pinkston is on Keisel DE #99, Mack has Hampton NT #98, Lauvao has McLenden NT #90, Pashos is on Worilds LLB #93
...........at 5:57, Joe Thomas looks to the inside to help Pinkston double team Keisel DE #99...Pinkston fails to maintain good form (no bend at the knee) loses his balance and contact with #99 while JT is blocking #99 to the inside..that allows #99 an open path to McCoy. Just before the clock turns to 5:56, as McCoy comes off the seam route to Little and begins to look to the left flat, he is looking at Keisel who has a clear path to McCoy 5 yds away.
...........at 5:56, McCoy seeing the pressure coming pulls the ball down and starts running toward the sidelines and away from #99 Keisel who is just 2 yds away. Joe Thomas has lost contact with #99 and Pinkston has regained his balance and shields #99 as McCoy is escaping the collapsed pocket.
..........at 5:55, McCoy has two options, run for the first down or pass to Hardesty who is in flat. McCoy is being pursued from behind #90 as Lauvao lost contact with his man.
..........at 5:54, McCoy is looking at Harrison who is 5yds away
...........at 5:53, just as the clock turns to 5:53, McCoy passes to Hardesty and gets leveled by Harrison.
On this play, the Browns offensive line gave McCoy 3 seconds of pass protection before McCoy was forced to pull the ball down and run for his life. Even that (3 seconds) is misleading...from the time McCoy sets after dropping back to the time he is forced to run, McCoy has less than 1 second before he is forced to run for his life.
Pinkston maintains his pass block for just over 2 seconds...that is unacceptable.
Regardless of who the Browns have at QB, if they don't improve the Oline pass protection, they might as well run the entire offense from the shotgun.
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Sorry, but I laughed so hard at "Keisel is just 2 yds away"...are you kidding me? Every DL is "2yds away" from the QB on any given pass play...he was unblocked for a nanosecond and then got thrown away and was out of balance...he was no threat to McCoy anymore...there was no need to completely vacate the area...sidestep? Sure...and that's what pocket QBs do in that situation....sidestep and let your OL counter the 2nd effort
Also, I never see McCoy look anywhere but to his right on that play...I don't know when you see him "look left" but that's already when he decided to tuck it...I doubt he "looked left" to throw....for me it's pretty clear: 1 read, over-panic and run, looking to dump off or tuck it
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Also, I never see McCoy look anywhere but to his right on that play...I don't know when you see him "look left" but that's already when he decided to tuck it...I doubt he "looked left" to throw....for me it's pretty clear: 1 read, over-panic and run, looking to dump off or tuck it
Once again - take off your glasses - or put them on - and watch your link. Colt looks downfield - straight down field. He never once looked right.
Seriously, if you're going to post a video for everyone to watch - it would be smart to see exactly what the video shows - NOT what you want it to show.
Anyone that watches that will see Colt looking downfield - NOT right.
Anyone that watches your video will see it for themselves - and what you have posted about that video is just wrong.
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Put me in the looking down field group. I didn't see him look right at all.
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Sorry, but I laughed so hard at "Keisel is just 2 yds away"...are you kidding me? Every DL is "2yds away" from the QB on any given pass play...he was unblocked for a nanosecond and then got thrown away and was out of balance...he was no threat to McCoy anymore...there was no need to completely vacate the area...sidestep? Sure...and that's what pocket QBs do in that situation....sidestep and let your OL counter the 2nd effort
Also, I never see McCoy look anywhere but to his right on that play...I don't know when you see him "look left" but that's already when he decided to tuck it...I doubt he "looked left" to throw....for me it's pretty clear: 1 read, over-panic and run, looking to dump off or tuck it
DJ...I'm gonna be honest with you...I thought you knew football.
Forget the yards...I was going by the hash marks on the field...they may not be 36" apart...can you read the clock?
From the time McCoy sets up... to the time he is forced to run due to Pinkston blowing his assignment, allowing Keisel a clear path to the QB, is just shy of 1 second, by the clock.
I can say with certainty that the Browns Oline coach gave Pinkston a failing grade on his pass protection on this play. The last guy on the Steelers defensive line to pressure our QB should have been Keisel because of the double team.
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DJ...I'm gonna be honest with you...I thought you knew football.
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Pinkston was totally guilty on that play.
I could be wrong but it looked like the RTE(Moore?) was Colt's 1st read on that on a seam route.
Polumalu came up and I think trucked Cameron from behind in redirecting himself to pursue the play.
I think Troy was expecting some kind of draw play?
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you are right its all McCoys fault for leaving the pocket and scrambling around lets get a guy who leaves the pocket faster and scrables faster. We get it becuase if you want a POCKET PASSER RG3 is NOT your guy.
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Heres a new sig for anyone wants it
Colt moves ouf of the pocket to fast, RG3 extends plays by moving out of the pocket
Colt runs when under pressure, RG3 can beat pressure using his legs.
Colt couldnt learn the system, The Browns need to taylor their system to fit RG3.
That should pretty much sum's it up.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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