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Robert Griffin III wins the press conference Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 24, 2012, 2:23 PM EST APRobert Griffin III stepped up to the podium at the Combine Friday, surveyed the massive throng of reporters getting in position, and whispered under his breath, “It’s really official now.” With a microphone nearby, even that comment was audible to those in the front few rows. Everything Griffin says and does over the next decade is going to be scrutinized. It’s hard to imagine another young man more ready for the responsibility. It’s only a press conference, but Griffin couldn’t have been more impressive, comfortable, intelligent, and funny on Friday. Press conferences are part of the gig to being an NFL quarterback. Teams like the Browns, Redskins, and Dolphins have to be excited about trying to make Griffin the face of their franchise. “I hope somebody falls in love with me — other than my fiancée,” Griffin said when asked about the Browns possibly “falling in love” with him. Some highlights from the session: 1. Griffin won’t throw at the Combine, just his Pro Day. 2. He wore Ninja Turtle socks Friday. Naturally. 3. On playing a lot of out of the shotgun: “It’s not the traditional spread where we’re playing out of shotgun all the time. Although we are in shotgun a lot. So was Tom Brady and Eli Manning in the Super Bowl, but that’s beside the point.” 4. The Eagles met with Griffin Thursday night. He will meet with the Chiefs and Browns Friday night. He mentioned the Browns and Redskins as West Coast offenses he could fit in. Griffin said it would be “an honor to play the Browns.” 5. On possibly playing for the Colts: “I’ve talked to Peyton a few times. It’d be amazing for him to play out his career here — and to play behind him. . . . It would be an honor to sit back and learn. I’d hold that clipboard with pride.” 6. On suggestions the Baylor offense is simple: “I’d like to sit down with those folks and show how simple it is. It’s not a simple offense. It’s a great offense. It’s a quarterback friendly offense, but simple would not be the word to describe it.”
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I think it's like this. Say RGIII is there for us to pick. Isn't it easier to pick him than to not pick him, thereby picking someone who we didn't NOT pick, though we had to probably decide that maybe the guy we really wanted to pick either had already been picked or hadn't been picked, even if those guys don't not get picked by the teams who had or hadn't been bad in an era when bad teams stayed bad but good teams had once been bad but now aren't bad, though they probably will be bad again at some point, unless they aren't bad when they aren't not bad.
I mean, if you can't figure that out, I'm sorry.
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I think all teams use the value chart to at least start the discussions. What other scale system is there ? Heck when we did the trade with The Falcons last year, Mike Mayock was spouting what we would probably get in picks before it was even announced. Toad.. Yea I gotta come up with another signature for a refresher. Just accurately predict for all of us, WHO will be the starting QB for the Browns this year and maybe you can redeem yourself 
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I think it's like this. Say RGIII is there for us to pick. Isn't it easier to pick him than to not pick him, thereby picking someone who we didn't NOT pick, though we had to probably decide that maybe the guy we really wanted to pick either had already been picked or hadn't been picked, even if those guys don't not get picked by the teams who had or hadn't been bad in an era when bad teams stayed bad but good teams had once been bad but now aren't bad, though they probably will be bad again at some point, unless they aren't bad when they aren't not bad.
I mean, if you can't figure that out, I'm sorry.
I can't not figure that out.
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I think it's like this. Say RGIII is there for us to pick. Isn't it easier to pick him than to not pick him, thereby picking someone who we didn't NOT pick, though we had to probably decide that maybe the guy we really wanted to pick either had already been picked or hadn't been picked, even if those guys don't not get picked by the teams who had or hadn't been bad in an era when bad teams stayed bad but good teams had once been bad but now aren't bad, though they probably will be bad again at some point, unless they aren't bad when they aren't not bad.
I mean, if you can't figure that out, I'm sorry.
I can't not figure that out.
Give's me a headache trying to... It's like Nicholson said about writing like a woman.. "I try to think like a man, and then remove all reason or logic"
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I don't know how I could make it any simpler.
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Actually, it was "reason and accountability..." which is actually quite apropos for TL's diatribe about not not picking people. 
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The Eagles met with Griffin Thursday night. He will meet with the Chiefs and Browns Friday night. He mentioned the Browns and Redskins as West Coast offenses he could fit in. Griffin said it would be “an honor to play the Browns.”
I wonder if he meant play FOR the Browns . . . 
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The Raiders traded 2 first rounders for Carson Palmer to the Bengals Mid season last year, the week that their own quarterback went down with an injury .
Show me any Chart that can value either side of that trade with the same value when you factor in the injury, or if you factored in if the injury didn't happen.
They didn't trade two first rounders. But that's besides the point. That trade was insane, it should never be used as an example for anything other than the fact that Hue Jackson is a crazy person. Also, the Raiders already had Kyle Boller on the roster, they should have just kept him as the starter.
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sure seems to me that lots of folks are convinced the browns will do something to move up to get RG3.
1. I'm not convinced he won't be there at 4
2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
Now maybe after the combine we will, or maybe after his pro-day we'll hear something. or maybe, it's fans and media that think he's all that and a bag of chips and the teams will let him fall like quinn or tebow or rodgers....
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
Do me a favor, D...
Next time you're entering a high-stakes poker game...please...I want in.
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
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Cleveland Browns head coach Pat Shurmur speaks to the media during the 2012 NFL Scouting Combine. (Gary A. Vasquez/NFL)
INDIANAPOLIS — Forget everything you know about last autumn’s rather milquetoast Browns outfit.
Coach Pat Shurmur wants you to know that this team, with two first-round picks at its disposal, isn’t afraid to roll the dice come draft day.
“I wouldn’t say we’re hesitant to do anything,” Shurmur said during Thursday’s NFL Scouting Combine news conference. “We’re excited about the fact that we’re going to make our team better with this draft, and I think that’s the way we approach it. We’re not hesitant at all. …
“I think we’re willing (to move up). With two first-round picks (Nos. 4 and 22), we have flexibility. We can just stand pat and take two really fine players, guys that we hope would be starters for us. And then, obviously with two first-round picks, you have flexibility if you want to do something.”
It’s no confirmation that Cleveland will wheel and deal come draft day, but Shurmur has heard the rumors about chasing after Baylor’s Robert Griffin III, and the coach will not pass up the opportunity to spin the dynamic signal-caller through the car wash at this week’s combine.
Griffin remains a logical target for the Browns, but the suddenly daring Shurmur indicated that he and the boys (minus general manager Tom Heckert, who’s back in Cleveland sick) have yet to concede Andrew Luck to the No. 1-picking Colts: “Well, I don’t know how you want to say it or write that. But we’re going to talk to him.”
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
Do me a favor, D...
Next time you're entering a high-stakes poker game...please...I want in.
I think there is some truth to that though - St. Louis is an odd tradeup partner for a few reasons:
1.) Neither St. Louis or Minnesota are a threat to pick RG3 themselves - usually you try to trade up to right before the team that you think will take him.
2.) The almost consensus second best player in this draft is Matt Kalil, who fills the greatest position of need (or one of the two anyway) for St. Louis -- even scouts who love RG3 usually have him at 3-4 on their big boards, and LT is the 2nd most valuable position in the NFL. St. Louis has a lot of reasons to stay put at #2, or require a bounty to move down.
3.) People stupidly make claims like "well, if we trade up to 3 to get RG3, then somebody will trade up to 2 and get him first" - but that's stupid.
Assume for a second that we are in the bidding war for RG3, we're certainly going to try to talk to both teams to bargain St. Louis and Minnesota against each other (just like Washington/Miami or any other interested party would do). We'll have deals set up with every team (and they'll have their set of deals set up). During St. Louis's pick, if they are about to make a trade with Miami - we'll certainly hear about it, and be asked if we want to beat it.
Conclusion - Just like Cleveland/Washington/Miami will be bidding against each other for RG3, Minnesota and St. Louis will be bidding for the chance to trade down and stockpile extra picks. The existence of Kalil as a perfect pick for the Rams means that their tradeup price should be much steeper than the Vikings.
So if there is a tradeup I think it is to #3, and not to #2.
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
R u serious???...Seriously...R u serious???
U r getting sooooo close to Throw Long it's not even funny...
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
R u serious???...Seriously...R u serious???
U r getting sooooo close to Throw Long it's not even funny...
Well it depends on who you believe. I don't think any actual member of the Browns/Washington/Seattle leadership has come out and said they want to trade up. What we have heard is tons of so-called draft experts say that is what they are hearing. Now, since these draft experts have about a 10% rate of being correct, you just have to believe that this is the one time in 10 that they have it right.
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RGIII is going #2. Someone will trade up to get him because they don't want will like him enough that they don't want there to be any chance another team gets him.
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
Do me a favor, D...
Next time you're entering a high-stakes poker game...please...I want in.
Seriously, other than the typical, We've seen some film, he looks good kinda stuff.. has anyone in the browns actually said anything terribly commentment oriented? NO, they haven't
in fact, Shurmur has been pretty complimentary about McCoy..
I grant you, the whole thing could be a smokescreen.. most things are this time of year.
I do hope we get to play poker someday.. I'll clean you out 
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
R u serious???...Seriously...R u serious???
U r getting sooooo close to Throw Long it's not even funny...
Well it depends on who you believe. I don't think any actual member of the Browns/Washington/Seattle leadership has come out and said they want to trade up. What we have heard is tons of so-called draft experts say that is what they are hearing. Now, since these draft experts have about a 10% rate of being correct, you just have to believe that this is the one time in 10 that they have it right.
Right, which is why I said what I said. But of course, you get a few children that get there jollies by trying to make fun of someone who makes that kinda comment..
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Seriously, other than the typical, We've seen some film, he looks good kinda stuff.. has anyone in the browns actually said anything terribly commentment oriented? NO, they haven't
This must mean we aren't drafting anyone. I have listened to all of the interviews with Spytek, Shurmur, Roberts, Sandusky, and Childress. They haven't mentioned any prospect to the length you are describing. And why would they? If we aren't drafting RGIII they want teams to think we are. If we are drafting RGIII they want teams to think we aren't. So the best strategy is to not say anything.
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On the surface, I can't agree with the premise that there will be a bidding war to move down.
As I'm thinking back throughout all the drafts my mind can recall, I cannot seem to pull up a scenario where there were two teams bidding to move down.
Granted, Kalil is accepted to be the best LT in the draft, but I don't believe he's such a lock for the Rams that they won't budge unless they are blown away. It's my opinion that they have too many needs not to take a deal to move down, even if the deal isn't monstrous. They can drop down to 6 or 7 and still get Reiff. LT problem solved.
I think the Rams are the team who would do a deal. With the new CBA, the money between #2 and #3 is no longer the factor/consideration that it's been in the past. Any team who really wants Griffin are going to seal the deal at #2 IMHO.
As each day passes, especially now that he truly is 6'2, I can't see him making it to 3 or 4. I just think the Rams would happily drop down to anywhere between 4-7 and load up on picks since Reiff isn't that far behind Kalil.
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This must mean we aren't drafting anyone. I have listened to all of the interviews with Spytek, Shurmur, Roberts, Sandusky, and Childress. They haven't mentioned any prospect to the length you are describing. And why would they? If we aren't drafting RGIII they want teams to think we are. If we are drafting RGIII they want teams to think we aren't. So the best strategy is to not say anything.
That's the point. The "draft experts" are full of #&%@ and make stuff up so they can write a story/prove their worth. Sure, RGIII is going to go between 2-6 guaranteed, but that doesn't mean anyone is going to trade for him.
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
Do me a favor, D...
Next time you're entering a high-stakes poker game...please...I want in.
Seriously, other than the typical, We've seen some film, he looks good kinda stuff.. has anyone in the browns actually said anything terribly commentment oriented? NO, they haven't
in fact, Shurmur has been pretty complimentary about McCoy..
I grant you, the whole thing could be a smokescreen.. most things are this time of year.
I do hope we get to play poker someday.. I'll clean you out
Well, my point is that any team which blinks first and makes it known that they are after Griffin is the team that deserves to have that person fired from their staff for giving away their position, ergo the comment about poker, hehe. Teams are playing their cards close to the vest. They'd be idiotic to do anything other than that. We don't really hear about teams moving up for a guy until just a couple of days before the draft, and never from the mouth of someone who actually represents the team.
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2. I've heard NOTHING from any member of the browns that would indicate they think highly enough of him to move up.. in fact, I've heard nothing from Washington or seattle or anyone else that say they are interested enough to move up to get him.
Do me a favor, D...
Next time you're entering a high-stakes poker game...please...I want in.
Seriously, other than the typical, We've seen some film, he looks good kinda stuff.. has anyone in the browns actually said anything terribly commentment oriented? NO, they haven't
in fact, Shurmur has been pretty complimentary about McCoy..
I grant you, the whole thing could be a smokescreen.. most things are this time of year.
I do hope we get to play poker someday.. I'll clean you out
Well, my point is that any team which blinks first and makes it known that they are after Griffin is the team that deserves to have that person fired from their staff for giving away their position, ergo the comment about poker, hehe. Teams are playing their cards close to the vest. They'd be idiotic to do anything other than that. We don't really hear about teams moving up for a guy until just a couple of days before the draft, and never from the mouth of someone who actually represents the team.
Except in a case like this where it is possible that Washington want to solidify a trade BEFORE free agency to essentially lock up their QB position. If Washington really wants RGIII, they need to make the trade now so that they don't go into the draft with no QB and then lose a bidding war for the #2 pick.
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I'd say there's somewhere between a 1-2% chance that this trade up to #2 is official before draft day.
I can't in my life remember a "picks for picks" trade which happened before the draft started.
And why would any team ever do that? You have handshake agreements on what every team is going to offer, why submit the paperwork to the league office and risk that something changes on your side? (e.g. you suddenly take all the risk that Griffin blows out his knee during his pro-day)
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R u serious???...Seriously...R u serious???
U r getting sooooo close to Throw Long it's not even funny...
Well it depends on who you believe. I don't think any actual member of the Browns/Washington/Seattle leadership has come out and said they want to trade up. What we have heard is tons of so-called draft experts say that is what they are hearing. Now, since these draft experts have about a 10% rate of being correct, you just have to believe that this is the one time in 10 that they have it right.
Right, which is why I said what I said. But of course, you get a few children that get there jollies by trying to make fun of someone who makes that kinda comment..
It's IGNORANCE...Flat out ignorance...
If u think for one second that ANY team is gonna say ANYTHING and actually MEAN it in February and March of ANY draft...Well then u r right in there with Throw...
Why don't u THINK before u type words...
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I'd say there's somewhere between a 1-2% chance that this trade up to #2 is official before draft day.
I can't in my life remember a "picks for picks" trade which happened before the draft started.
And why would any team ever do that? You have handshake agreements on what every team is going to offer, why submit the paperwork to the league office and risk that something changes on your side? (e.g. you suddenly take all the risk that Griffin blows out his knee during his pro-day)
Atlanta for Vick...But that was for #1...
So can be said for this when we all know for FACT that if it happens it's for a Luck/RGIII 1-2 punch...And if Indy's dumb enuff to satisfy yet another Kiper rant and take RGIII at #1???...All the better...
The Rams WILL NOT accept any trade until at least draft day...If not draft day on the clock...
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I'd say there's somewhere between a 1-2% chance that this trade up to #2 is official before draft day.
Ly, you're a generous person, hehe.
So let's put that to the hypothetical test...
What if I said I'll take that bet at $50. Would you do it?
I can't remember that ever happening either...
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I'd say there's somewhere between a 1-2% chance that this trade up to #2 is official before draft day.
I can't in my life remember a "picks for picks" trade which happened before the draft started.
And why would any team ever do that? You have handshake agreements on what every team is going to offer, why submit the paperwork to the league office and risk that something changes on your side? (e.g. you suddenly take all the risk that Griffin blows out his knee during his pro-day)
Atlanta for Vick...But that was for #1...
So can be said for this when we all know for FACT that if it happens it's for a Luck/RGIII 1-2 punch...And if Indy's dumb enuff to satisfy yet another Kiper rant and take RGIII at #1???...All the better...
The Rams WILL NOT accept any trade until at least draft day...If not draft day on the clock...
They may not, but then they may lose Washington as a bidder, which would drastically lower the value they get for the pick. What I (and others) am suggesting is that Manning's availability dramatically changes this from a "normal" scenario. If Washington loves RGIII they are going to try to get him pre-free agency otherwise they will likely make a run at Manning (since there is no guarantee that they could get RGIII on draft day and don't want to be left holding the Rex Grossman bag. And the Rams will be put in a lurch because (assuming Washington offers a good package of at least 2#1's) they know that if Washington is out of the bidding the best offer they are going to get is likely less than what Washington is going to offer.
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I don't agree with the premise that the availability of Manning reduces the competition for Griffin. Why? Because without Manning, it's unlikely a team like the Jets are in play for Griffin, while it's obvious they would jump at the chance to get Manning. I'd imagine there may be another team or two that would be in play for Manning as a "win now" QB who otherwise aren't interested in a "win later" guy in Griffin.
Furthermore, you're making the assumption that Manning is going to play, and that the rest of the NFL is assuming the same. He isn't ready now, and may not be for quite a while, if at all.
Then there's Flynn. What role does he play? Can't predict that one either.
No, I think Manning is a non-factor for some sorry teams because he wouldn't agree to play their. He'll want a team that looks ready to win now, and that's a team like the Jets.
I also think that the people who look at and are near these stories aren't thinking about Manning. He's a wildcard that can't be counted on for any prognostication right now.
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Luck
RGIII
Blackmon
Kalil
Claiborne
That's my order. I agree, big gap in value over next player at position from there on. I think there are no top-10 DEs in this draft. I like Kirkpatrick, he's probably closest to this group for me.
Mine would probably go like this:
Luck
RG3
Claiborne
Richardson
Blackmon
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I can't in my life remember a "picks for picks" trade which happened before the draft started.
Didn't Washington do that when they drafted Campbell?
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Agreed for the most part - Manning and RG3 are likely to attract to different sets of suitors...
The exception, I think, is Washington - who I expect to be active in perusing both.
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I can't in my life remember a "picks for picks" trade which happened before the draft started.
Didn't Washington do that when they drafted Campbell?
Good memory - hard to tell of course, if they were directly targeting Campbell at the time they made the trade.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=2041491
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Agreed for the most part - Manning and RG3 are likely to attract to different sets of suitors...
The exception, I think, is Washington - who I expect to be active in perusing both.
What if Washington is being honest in their interest in both Manning and Tannehill?
That probably would be a good situation for him ...... sit behind Manning for a couple of years, and then move into the starter's role. That would be far better than going to a team that needs immediate QB help, having him thrown into the fire, and burnt to a crisp.
So if Miami goes Flynn, and the Redskins go Manning/Tannehill ...... that would leave the road fairly clear for us to take RG3. Even if we wanted to move up to 2nd, we could do so at a much lower price because our main competition would have removed themselves from the equation.
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Which is why I put in the caviat that this could all be smokescreens..
But again, outside of what the media and fans are saying, there isn't much coming out of berea that makes me believe they are hot for RG
To be fair, they aren't saying much about anyone. but with all the speculation surronding RG, you'd think there would be more comments.. But no,, just the normal stuff
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Trading the pick now or before the draft would be stupid IMO. Say you get a great offer at the combine, keep that offer and tell any team calling about the pick thats whats on the table, you need to offer us more, and you keep doing that right up until its your turn to hand in the card.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Way to go Ytown, just got back from the hospital with mom saw that RG3 measured at over 6-2, Thats really incredible and you were obviously correct about him slouching in interviews because he sure didnt look 6ft even to be honest. I think it really increased his value.
If there are any merits to the Redskins talking about 2 firsts and a 2nd, I cant see us matching it but Miami might, they are loaded already. Kid is a natural in front of the podium and he is going to sell a lot of tickets. He should go ahead and throw and just continue to pile up the pressure n Luck.
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They should trade the pick at the moment they feel it is maxed. You dont want RG3 to blow out his knee in his proday while you are waiting for a better offer to be made. If you get an offer you feel comfortable with, you take it and move on and prepare to draft from where you trade down to.
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if Washington offers a good package, the Rams may have to take it or risk being left with no offers on draft day.
In which case they get Kalil or Blackmon or Claiborne.... or whoever.. it's not really a bad price to pay.
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