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link He has us trading 4 and 22 to move up to no. 2 to take RGIII. If our FO feels he's the guy, then ok. I just don't want to give up picks next year. That being said, I really think our approach depends on Hillis. If we don't re-sign him, I think we sit at 4 and take Richardson. I doubt the FO would put Griffin out there (which, let's face it, he'd be playing at some point in season 1) with Hardesty, OG/BYN and Jackson back there.
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You think if we don't re-sign Hillis we won't try and sign a different running back? And if we don't we re-sign him it means we are taking Richardson? After all, there are no free agent running backs and none available in the draft other than Richardson.
I don't get that at all.
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I just don't believe giving up the 4 and 22 pick will get you the 2. I expect it to cost more..
Not a comment on any player, but I was just reading a few things (can't read a lot, the eye is kinda hurting a little) from various sites..
I keep hearing all the good stuff on RG3 and Luck and I keep thinking about Brady Quinn and how he was thought to be a top 5 pick and the same with Matt Leinert.. How thier stock was beefed up by various media types.
Quinn went late and Leinert fell to 10 But certainly not top 5 as expected.
Of course, neither of them were talked about much as the number 1 overall. Leinert a little, Quinn never.
Both have, as it turned out, been busts so far.
So, despite the hype, will RG or Luck fall, will tannehill fall out of the 1st round?
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That being said, I really think our approach depends on Hillis. If we don't re-sign him, I think we sit at 4 and take Richardson. I doubt the FO would put Griffin out there (which, let's face it, he'd be playing at some point in season 1) with Hardesty, OG/BYN and Jackson back there.
I think that is overly simplistic.. If you think RGIII is the guy then you take him.. if that means you take Lamar Miller or David Wilson late in the first or early in the second then so be it... or you get a FA.. or worst case your rookie QB has a substandard backfield his first year... any way you slice it, if you think RGIII is the guy, your status at RB should have zero impact on whether or not you draft him.
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I think he's a World of Warcraft character or something.
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dont you use the google?
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I understand what you're saying. I've just got this feeling that a lot of our decisions will hinge on Hillis. Might make no sense at all to anyone with any brains (of which I am not one).
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Does that tell u something Mr. I can't make up my mind on ANYTHING... 
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He has us trading 4 and 22 to move up to no. 2 to take RGIII. If our FO feels he's the guy, then ok. I just don't want to give up picks next year.
That being said, I really think our approach depends on Hillis. If we don't re-sign him, I think we sit at 4 and take Richardson. I doubt the FO would put Griffin out there (which, let's face it, he'd be playing at some point in season 1) with Hardesty, OG/BYN and Jackson back there.
I am soooooo completely against the idea of trading away ANY high picks, but if they decide to do it, I'll buy in (like I have a choice to do anything other than accept it, lol).
I'd MUCH rather see us get TWO quality players instead of just one.
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I still don't think we will have to trade to get Griffin.
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.. " I am soooooo completely against the idea of trading away ANY high picks, but if they decide to do it, I'll buy in (like I have a choice to do anything other than accept it, lol).
I'd MUCH rather see us get TWO quality players instead of just one.. "
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I am really torn on this one ! .. Would love , I mean Love to see Rg3 in a Browns uniform ,,, But ,,, # 4 & # 22 in the first ???
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That is my feeling too....but it's based on what Flynn and Peyton Manning do in free agency. Maybe Washington pays through the moon to get Peyton and then the Phins sign Flynn. That would dry up the "trade up to get RG3" market. Heck, maybe we sign Flynn and don't want RG3 at all.
Free agency is going to really set up the draft and it's a bit early to say things are going to be one way or the other. I know it's all we have to talk about right now, but it's meaningless talk until FA is over.
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I think it will take more then 4 & 22 to move to 2.
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Our buying power is too strong. Washington knows this. They can't afford to not go after a QB in FA and expect to outbid us for Griffin. Seattle can't dream of moving up to #2 or #3 and STL and MIN still want to get elite players. MIA and WAS will have to get QBs in FA or risk not getting one at all. Most likely:
1. IND - Luck
2. STL - Blackmon
3. MIN - Kalil
4. CLE - Griffin *copy/paste mistake*
but if the QB that WAS signs is Manning, they are in win-now mode.
1. IND - Luck
2. STL - Blackmon
3. MIN - Kalil
4. WAS (f/ CLE) - Richardson
5. TB - Claiborne
6. CLE (f/ WAS) - Griffin III [+2013 2nd rounder]
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I'd MUCH rather see us get TWO quality players instead of just one.
Of course, but... would you rather get 2 quality players at random positions or a quality player at the most important position in the NFL?
That's why I'm entirely willing to trade up for RGIII... QB is just too darn important.
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I like the idea of that 2nd option, but really, I think if Seattle were still in the market for a QB at that point (assuming Peyton to Wash, Flynn to MIA as you did), then they would likely be offering a boatload to TB for RGIII.
I wouldn't risk it if we want RGIII and he falls to #4. Just be happy and make the pick.
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Of course, but... would you rather get 2 quality players at random positions or a quality player at the most important position in the NFL?
That's why I'm entirely willing to trade up for RGIII... QB is just too darn important.
I wish I was that sold on him...
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Quinn went late and Leinert fell to 10 But certainly not top 5 as expected.
Does that tell u something Mr. I can't make up my mind on ANYTHING...
Yeah it does Mr, I need to belittle people in order to feel smart 
It tells me the media/draft gurus don't know squat and those that believe in them are even dumber..
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You think if we don't re-sign Hillis we won't try and sign a different running back? And if we don't we re-sign him it means we are taking Richardson? After all, there are no free agent running backs and none available in the draft other than Richardson.
I don't get that at all.
Cedric Benson is said to NOT be signing with the Bungles. You want him?
Richardson is as near to cant miss as there is. It would be nice.
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For the seahawks I think plan A would be Peyton manning and Play B would be trading back and getting picks for next year in order to make a run at Barkley.
I think it is similar with the Skins, they will go hard at Peyton and plan B will be go after RG3, Plan C probably Tannehill.
Then you have miami, I would say Peyton is plan A and Flynn is plan B and Rg3 is plan C.
Browns, we all have ideas but no one knows Colt? RG3? Flynn? Tannehill?
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Cedric Benson is said to NOT be signing with the Bungles. You want him?
sure, why not. I have some gardening that needs done. A deck that needs to be built and some other landscaping stuff.
at least it'll help keep him out of trouble when he's here in Austin.
but, no, I don't want the Browns to sign him.
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Of course, but... would you rather get 2 quality players at random positions or a quality player at the most important position in the NFL?
That's why I'm entirely willing to trade up for RGIII... QB is just too darn important.
Define random.
Are you suggesting that we walk into the draft with a 20-sided die and let it pick which position we draft? 
I think that it would be hardly random at all, in fact I'm certain that it would be quite well targetted... and we are not so good all around that we couldn't stand to upgrade a player at ANY position.
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dont you use the google?
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Are you suggesting that we walk into the draft with a 20-sided die and let it pick which position we draft?
I think that it would be hardly random at all, in fact I'm certain that it would be quite well targetted... and we are not so good all around that we couldn't stand to upgrade a player at ANY position.
Lol no, I'm saying pick 2 of any position of need other than QB. I certainly agree that we need upgrades in those areas but none of them are as important as quarterback. Think of it like a car... there are tons of improvements/repairs that can be made and maybe several for the price of one... but if we're putting big money into high end tires or getting a busted AC working when the engine is locked up, it's a poor allocation of resources.
QB is the engine of most any offense in the NFL. A QB is THE piece that makes most offenses work. Offenses underachieve without them. Offenses overachieve with them. We can argue weapons/protection until we're blue in the face but if we don't have a guy behind center who can take advantage of all of that, then it all goes to waste. Sure, it'll end up costing us a couple picks to fill the need but once we have RGIII in place, we have a face for our franchise, an identity and a QB who finally has all the tools to change our fortunes around.
To me, filling the most important position in the NFL (and likely sports) is well worth the missed chance to fill two lesser holes.
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Or almost EVERY position. Just need some more for the high picks, I think. 
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Yeah, but if your engine is serviceable, and you've got flat tires, a leaky tank, a slipping transmission, no fenders and your airbags deployed 7 months ago ... why replace the engine first? 
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Yeah, but if your engine is serviceable, and you've got flat tires, a leaky tank, a slipping transmission, no fenders and your airbags deployed 7 months ago ... why replace the engine first?
The problem for some with that thinking is that they don't think the engine is serviceable. Theres the rub
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Yeah, I know.... and in my opinion those people fail to realize that they were connecting the spark plugs one by one as we went while changing the belts, oil and filters at the same time.
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Yeah, but if your engine is serviceable, and you've got flat tires, a leaky tank, a slipping transmission, no fenders and your airbags deployed 7 months ago ... why replace the engine first?
The problem for some with that thinking is that they don't think the engine is serviceable. Theres the rub
Do you want an engine firing on 4 cylinders that can barely keep up with the pace car, or a v8 that can win the race? 
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Is it also fair to say that as a first time coach Shurmur was like the kid with his lerner's permit so there might not have been a lot of performance to help out that engine?
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Of course, but... would you rather get 2 quality players at random positions or a quality player at the most important position in the NFL?
That's why I'm entirely willing to trade up for RGIII... QB is just too darn important.
I would rather, on a team without truly great players, move up (if necessary) to get a great player, as opposed to adding "pretty good" players.
This is no knock on pretty good players. Teams are built on a lot of pretty good players who are mixed in with a few really great players who help make those other pretty good players just a little better than they otherwise would be.
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Yeah, but if your engine is serviceable, and you've got flat tires, a leaky tank, a slipping transmission, no fenders and your airbags deployed 7 months ago ... why replace the engine first?
Because a great and powerful engine is the hardest part to find and its also the most expensive and it's the hardest to install... so if you are in a position to get the right engine and get working on it, you get it. You can get the tires at Merchants, the battery at TrakAuto and the belts at Wal-mart for all I care.. because they are much easier to replace and install... 
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J/C, I wish folks would just leave my 22nd selection out of any trade scenario. No other team has two first round picks and would have to package together picks to come up with enough points to come up with the value of #2 and guess what our package would still be better then theirs without the 22nd selection. So please leave #22 alone ... it's vorboden already Jeff Fisher is all about the OL and it's in their best interest to protect their muliti-million dollar man. There is no way he trades #2 if that involves moving out of range of the Top 2 LT's. If there is a trade at #2 for Griffen, then Kalil will go to the Vikings, leaving but one option available, so I see a scenario that will only work for both teams that is limited to the top 10 picks or less. Witch leaves Seattle outside looking in.
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Because a great and powerful engine is the hardest part to find and its also the most expensive and it's the hardest to install... so if you are in a position to get the right engine and get working on it, you get it. You can get the tires at Merchants, the battery at TrakAuto and the belts at Wal-mart for all I care.. because they are much easier to replace and install...
Yep. You can even replace the transmission while you have the engine out. (and sometimes the transmission winds up being just fine ......... there just isn't enough power coming from the engine for an automatic transmission to work right. I know that one from experience, as a tune up actually fixed a "bad transmission" on one of my mom's cars.
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No I don't want him. But there are also free agent running backs not named Cedric Benson. Guys like Justin Forsett, Tashard Choice, and Tim Hightower (coming off an injury) all interest me. Pair one of those guys with the guys we already have and I'd say we have an above-average backfield.
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As myself and others have pointed out, running backs shouldn't be drafted in the top ten. I wouldn't even draft them in the first round at all. (There are exceptions of course. For example, if Richardson fell to our #22 pick.) Why wouldn't I pick them early? They wear down quickly and you can sign three different guys to do three different jobs.
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The problem for some with that thinking is that they don't think the engine is serviceable. Theres the rub
Do you want an engine firing on 4 cylinders that can barely keep up with the pace car, or a v8 that can win the race?
Put the best engine,, maybe a Chevy or Ford Crate motor,, 600 HP at the Crank,,, in a crapbox that has a rusty frame,,, and what you have is a VERY fast rust bucket that probably won't finish the quarter mile with out the driver falling through the floor....
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Not at all sure of your background,, but have you ever tried to restore a used car?
If you have, then you know, it's easy to find a engine.. hard to find a straight body to build on.
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