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Ritalin, didn't get enough attention, people were mean to him,video games, movies...take you pick . Execute the little . . I could care less what his reasons were because the bottom line is this deviant killed 2 innocent kids in a cold calculated manner and there is no redemption for this monster .
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I think it had something to do with the girlfriend. The second kid that died (Rusel King Jr.) was dating the killers ex. People have been throwing around "Bullying" retaliation which is a possibility. Maybe Russel and his friends went to the killer and told him to stay away from his girlfriend, or they jumped him because of talking to her. Who knows at this point but I'm sure we will find out at some point in time.
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I think it had something to do with the girlfriend. The second kid that died (Rusel King Jr.) was dating the killers ex. People have been throwing around "Bullying" retaliation which is a possibility. Maybe Russel and his friends went to the killer and told him to stay away from his girlfriend, or they jumped him because of talking to her. Who knows at this point but I'm sure we will find out at some point in time.
That kinda stuff happened when I was a kid also,,, but nobody pulled out a gun and shot anyone over it.. The worst thing that happened was someone got a black eye...
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I am with Ire. He took two innocent kids life. I have brother their age in h.s. If something like this happened to him I couldn't be sure how angry I would be, after the shock and sadness of it wore off. He deserves the death sentence. People saying oh he was bullied. Know what I was bullied pretty bad at times in school. I didn't go off and kill people. Suff like this makes me so angry.
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I think the death sentence won't even come into play. He'll make a "deal" and get something like life without a chance for parole. For all intents and purposes, his life is over either way.
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J/C Parents of teen accused of shootings faced charges Monday, February 27, 2012 By Rachel Dissell, The Plain Dealer CHARDON, Ohio -- It appears that T.J. Lane had violence in his life from the beginning. Geauga County court records show the father of the teen who authorities say shot five students at Chardon High School on Monday had been arrested many times for violent crimes against women in his life, including Lane's mother. More than once, police or courts warned him to stay away from the boy and his mother. Authorities said the teen walked into the high school cafeteria early Monday morning, took out a gun and aimed it at several boys. In the end, three students were seriously wounded and one was killed. A fifth student died early Tuesday. T.J. Lane is to appear in Geauga County Juvenile Court Tuesday. Lawyer Bob Farinacci, who is representing TJ Lane, read a statement from the Lane family, according to WKYC Channel 3. "The family wanted me to convey to the citizens of Geauga County and Northeastern Ohio that the family is devastated by this most recent event. They want to give their most heartfelt and sincere condolences to the family of the young man who passed and their continuing prayers are with all those who were injured. This is something that could never have been predicted. TJ's family has asked for some privacy while they try to understand how such a tragedy could have occurred and while they mourn this terrible loss for their community." Fellow students said the 17-year-old was quiet. Some said he was sweet, while others said he had a simmering temper. His Facebook page, now deleted, had one picture that showed him bare-chested, glaring down toward the camera. In another picture, dated 11 days ago, he is sitting on a bed peering out from behind a giant teddy bear with a heart that says, "Be Mine." He listed his interests as anime and primitive hunting. For his high school, he listed the Pink Floyd lyric, "We don't need no thought control." T.J. Lane attended Lake Academy, an alternative school in Willoughby for students in Lake and Geauga counties. A woman who answered the phone at the school declined to comment Monday. The teen had one prior case in Geauga County Juvenile court two years ago. Officials would not release information on the case. But several at the court said the family's troubles were known to social workers in the county. The father, Thomas Lane Jr., was known to county authorities because of a series of arrests for abusing women in his life, court records show. It's not clear how much contact the father and son had. But between 1995 and 1997, the boy's father and mother, Sara A. Nolan, were each charged with domestic violence against each other. The father was later charged with assaulting a police officer and served time in prison after trying to suffocate another woman he married several years after his son was born, according to court records. He held the woman's head under running water and bashed it into a wall, leaving a dent in the drywall, court records show. But soon after he went to prison, the woman wrote a letter asking that he be released early. She had divorced Thomas Lane but said in the letter that he was always a good father to their twin daughters and a son she had before they married. Some youths who attended a vigil at a church on Chardon's square Monday evening said that the teen lived with his grandparents and had multiple step- and half-siblings. His grandmother declined to comment. One young woman said he attended a church youth group several years ago while he was dating a girl. Many students said he was heartbroken when she broke up with him and later began dating one of the boys who was shot. "He seemed like a nice boy," said Anna Mullet, who met T.J. when he attended the youth group meetings. Anthony Gracco, a junior at Chardon High School, said he and T.J. Lane played basketball together after school several years ago. He said T.J. seemed happy when he was around him. "I was shocked," he said. "I didn't think he would do something like this. He wasn't a violent kid. I'm sad about it." http://www.cleveland.com/chardon-shooting/index.ssf/2012/02/parents_of_teen_accused_of_sho.html
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what caused him to go off like that?
could be a chemical imbalance. the fact that he was remorseful afterwards and scared makes me think he has a switch that goes on and off, just like bi polar people. i bet with this is said and done, he will be in a psychiatric facility
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what caused him to go off like that?
could be a chemical imbalance. the fact that he was remorseful afterwards and scared makes me think he has a switch that goes on and off, just like bi polar people. i bet with this is said and done, he will be in a psychiatric facility
Wouldn't that be more of a 'snap' though? This was premeditated. He announced it on twitter the night before for cripes sake.
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could be a chemical imbalance. the fact that he was remorseful afterwards and scared makes me think he has a switch that goes on and off, just like bi polar people. i bet with this is said and done, he will be in a psychiatric facility
Wouldn't that be more of a 'snap' though? This was premeditated. He announced it on twitter the night before for cripes sake.
Wouldn't really matter to me if it was a "snap", or pre-meditated. He took a gun and fired at 5 innocent people, killing 2 of them.
End of story.
It won't be long til we here "well, he had a bad upbringing......." Yeah? A lot of people have had bad upbringings - so what? He murdered.
Or, soon it will be "we need more gun control laws".... Let's count the laws he already broke: carried concealed without a license. Carried a gun in public while underage. Carried a gun into a no gun zone. Illegally brandished a weapon. Illegally fired a weapon. Attempted murder with a weapon. Murder.
I'm not an attorney - but that's 7 laws he broke right there, just off the top of my head.
2 murders (homicides), 3 attempted. He should never see the light of day again. Prison. Don't try to re-hab him. No mental hospital for him.
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could be a chemical imbalance. the fact that he was remorseful afterwards and scared makes me think he has a switch that goes on and off, just like bi polar people. i bet with this is said and done, he will be in a psychiatric facility
Wouldn't that be more of a 'snap' though? This was premeditated. He announced it on twitter the night before for cripes sake.
ehhh, it's touchy. i have a cousin who is severely bi-polar and sometimes his "snap" lasts for days ... and 99% of the time he's a normal, likeable guy, like these kids are describing.
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I agree with you 100%. And FWIW, the "broken home" crap has already started. hereMy question was that if people are going to use the chemical imbalance theory, wouldn't it have to be a snap as opposed to a planned out homicide. More or less thinking out loud.
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ehhh, it's touchy. i have a cousin who is severely bi-polar and sometimes his "snap" lasts for days ... and 99% of the time he's a normal, likeable guy, like these kids are describing.
Ok, I honestly don't know much about that stuff. Thanks.
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Anyone who brings up the "gun control" issue is off base. Having had 2 family members killed by guns, at no time did I think if we had stricter gun control, they'd be alive. Neither of them were killed with legal guns.
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Anyone who brings up the "gun control" issue is off base. Having had 2 family members killed by guns, at no time did I think if we had stricter gun control, they'd be alive. Neither of them were killed with legal guns.
I agree, but you know it'll happen.
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I agree with you 100%. And FWIW, the "broken home" crap has already started. here
My question was that if people are going to use the chemical imbalance theory, wouldn't it have to be a snap as opposed to a planned out homicide. More or less thinking out loud.
the broken home theory is such utter BS, imo. i believe a crime like this is in someone's nature, not nurture. they are born w the chemical imbalance, they don't just develop it because mommy's a crackhead
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Oh yeah, people will argue the gun control thing. Doesn't change my mind, though.
As for the upbringing, I will say that it doesn't surprise me that, in general, people who commit heinous crimes like this usually come from bad homes. People who commit sexual crimes often were victims themselves. People who commit violent crimes often were brought up in violent homes.
Does that excuse it? Not one bit. I've known lots of people who grew up in bad homes who turned out pretty darn good. And, I think those people are the super-majority.
It's just that we usually only hear about the ones who grow up to do bad things. I guess what I'm saying is that I do think there's a connection between the two. It's not an excuse, not by any stretch of the imagination, but maybe it can be used to help explain at least a little.
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He took a gun and fired at 5 innocent people, killing 2 of them.
End of story.
Yup. I see no reason for keeping this person alive . Being in prison is still being alive and IMO that is more than he deserves .
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there was an article that his older brother was on drugs. maybe drugs are to blame? to quote rick james, cocaine is a heckuva drug
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Maybe the shooter is to blame ?? I'm gonna go with that answer.
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Anyone who brings up the "gun control" issue is off base. Having had 2 family members killed by guns, at no time did I think if we had stricter gun control, they'd be alive. Neither of them were killed with legal guns.
I agree, but you know it'll happen.
I really don't know if this kids gun was considered legal. Certainly not for him to possess, but was it a gun that was registered to his father or mother.. Honestly I don't know the answer to that.
Point is, whether it was legally registered or not, the kid shouldn't have had it and shouldn't have shot the other kids.
Something is wrong with the boy...
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maybe drugs are to blame?
Maybe the shooter is to blame ?? I'm gonna go with that answer.
trust me, i've had a lot of experiences with druggies and bi polar people. any one of them could do this, but today, they are normal people. i feel your thinking is very old fashioned and short sighted.
in no means am i defending the kid, but we were having a discussion about what could have caused this. you took what i said out of context just to make your own point. i bet you feel good about that, but don't let anger and emotions make your decisions/assumptions for you like it did this child.
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Anyone who brings up the "gun control" issue is off base. Having had 2 family members killed by guns, at no time did I think if we had stricter gun control, they'd be alive. Neither of them were killed with legal guns.
I agree, but you know it'll happen.
I really don't know if this kids gun was considered legal. Certainly not for him to possess, but was it a gun that was registered to his father or mother.. Honestly I don't know the answer to that.
Point is, whether it was legally registered or not, the kid shouldn't have had it and shouldn't have shot the other kids.
Something is wrong with the boy...
It doesn't matter one iota if the gun was legally registered or not. I have legally registered guns. I can NOT take them into a school. Period.
I have a concealed carry license. I can NOT take my legally registered guns into a school.
I can NOT pull out a gun in public for no reason. I would get charged with something.
I can NOT shoot at, let alone hit, innocent people. If I do, I would get charged with attempted murder, or murder. Period.
All of those are me, with permission from the state of Ohio to HAVE a gun, to CARRY a gun. (actually, for just having a gun, the permission comes from the constitution of the U.S.)
If the gun was illegal - that's just one more existing law the kid didn't follow.
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You missed my point Arch..
What I was trying to say (and apparently, not very well) was that if someone thinks that guns are the problem,, they are wrong.., guns in the wrong hands are the problem.
Legal or otherwise, it's the user that makes it good or bad.
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I just think as a society we have so many problems
lack of family structure, drugs, guns, lack of respect for one self and others.
and the way that we treat each other-go to walmart to see the family structure of many in this country;
or online to Drudge, vindy.com, cleveland.com or many other sites. A topic is started and about 5 replies later it is name calling, berating, etc.
Look at politics-more of the same.
And many of the tv shows that have this kind of crazy berating behavior have cast members that become huge-look at Simon Cowell, Chef Ramsey, Jersey Shore, etc, etc, etc.
And then with the 24 hour news and social media-as soon as it happens its all over the place. The shooting happened at about 7:38 am yesterday and when I went to lunch at noon, within 15 minutes I saw a name on multiple websites of the suspected shooter and I believe 3 of the victims.
We just live in a crazy world and I don't know what the answer is.
Also, I heard on WTAM on the way home yesterday that a guest on the show thought that this kid would be tried as an adult but in Ohio he could not get the death penalty because he still is under 18.
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you took what i said out of context just to make your own point.
My point was I could care less what the reason he had was . The result of his action is 2 innocent children dead . Save your concern for the ones left behind , the ones who will never hold their children again to hell with this murderer and his "reasons".
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What the kid did is heinous and he should be punished to the full extent of the law... but some folks on here are being awfully flippant on the impact that years of bullying, especially parental bullying, can have on a kid...
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Third student has passed away  http://news.yahoo.com/gunman-kills-one-injures-four-ohio-020427879.htmlAnother student in Ohio school shooting dies CHARDON, Ohio (Reuters) - Hospital officials in Cleveland said on Tuesday that another student shot on Monday at Chardon High School has died. In a statement, a spokesman for MetroHealth Medical Center said Demetrius Hewlin died of his wounds on Tuesday morning. "We are very saddened by the loss of our son and others in our Chardon community," Hewlin's family said in the statement the hospital released. "Demetrius was a happy young man who loved life and his family and friends. We will miss him very much but we are proud that he will be able to help others through organ donation. We ask that you respect our privacy during this difficult time." (Reporting by James Kelleher; editing by Dan Burns)
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Just click,, Apparently, a third student died from this http://www.cleveland.com/chardon-shooting/index.ssf/2012/02/third_student_dies_after_shoot.html Quote:
CHARDON, Ohio -- A third Chardon High School student who was shot Monday morning has died.
Demetrius Hewlin, a junior, died today at MetroHealth Medical Center in Cleveland.
"We are very saddened by the loss of our son and others in our Chardon community," his family said in a statement released by the hospital. "Demetrius was a happy young man who loved life and his family and friends. We will miss him very much but we are proud that he will be able to help others through organ donation. We ask that you respect our privacy during this difficult time."
Demetrius was one of three students taken by helicopter to MetroHealth following the shooting. Russell King Jr., 17, was pronounced brain dead late Monday and died early this morning. Daniel Parmertor, 16, died Monday.
The suspect, T.J. Lane, is in custody and will appear at a 3:30 p.m. detention hearing in Geauga County Juvenile Court. Witnesses said Lane walked up to a table in the cafeteria and began firing about 7:30 a.m. Monday
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Just when you think this situation can't get worse. Just heartbreaking.
I know I want to know a reason why this kid did it. It won't bring these kids back. It won't make anyone feel any better. But, I think I, like a lot of people, want to know that there was something driving this, something that maybe can be avoided in the future.
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I know I want to know a reason why this kid did it. It won't bring these kids back. It won't make anyone feel any better. But, I think I, like a lot of people, want to know that there was something driving this, something that maybe can be avoided in the future.
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I remember seeing something about why people are so gung ho about a conspiracy to kill JFK. One rationale is that it's hard to believe that one person can take down someone so powerful, so therefore, you want it to be a big conspiracy.
In this case, you want there to be a reason, if only so you can say "oh, ok, that's why it happened." If it's just something random, it just makes it scarier, IMO.
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I don't want this to come across as dismissive of the intitial events from yesterday and the young man who died yesterday - but I think what makes this worse and worse is that kids are still passing away from it.
Not that it makes it easier but if three kids die tragically at one time, I think it may be easier to process than 1 kid dies, then some time overnight another kid dies, then the next afternoon another kid dies. Just when you think the worst may be over - it gets worse.
I pray this is the end and I pray for those 3 who's lives were stolen for absolutely no reason.
Just awful.
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This is terrible to be going from a normal monday to making plans to bury your kid. My sympathies to the families.
Not that this is the case here but If I were a public speaker in in the high schools, I would tell the kids if you think bullying another kid in school is cool and a fun thing to do.. you do so at your own peril. If you are doing this.. stop immediately and leave the picked on kid alone. The life you save may be your own.
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reading about this T.J Lane's likes and etc,this whole situation is shocking and not shocking at the same time.
Its evident in his lifetime, love and guidance were foriegn concepts. if its not passed on to him,then how can he pass it on others?
they said his intrests were anime and primitive hunting and he went "goth"
Most kids that are into anime are so out of touch with the real world.
Those anime characters are their closest friends and companions.
the problem is,anime is a fantasy world of comics and characters that are so "out there". Theres no love or guidance around when all you do is get lost in Jap anime.
its so far removed from the comics we know from Marvel and DC.
My best friends son,is a bit similar to this kid in likes and intrests.
socially awkward...small circle of friends, dresses in black clothing...goes to these anime conventions in Baltimore.
I tried to get him to go out for football at Berkshire.....nope.no intrest.
he comes from a broken home...dad lives in Broadview and mom lives in Geauga.
spends countless hours by himself playing Xbox in a dark room.
with all this said,this T.J Lane has scarred a whole community and put a dagger in the families whos kids were gunned down.
I think he deserves the death penalty.
he's a cold person who is incapable if giving anything back to the world..but he sure has taken.
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I'd wager your generalizations against those who are into anime and manga are nothing but negative stereotypes. Although, that's a different thread for a different discussion. I can guarantee you that manga and anime didn't cause the deaths of 3 children.
Why do we always ignore the home life? It's obvious he had a troubled childhood in a broken home. I know a few already brought it up but I'm certain the home life plays a bigger part in these type of situations.
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I think he's a sad, lonely, upset kid.
And I'm willing to bet that right now he regrets what he did. Not just because of the consequences he brought unto himself (jail), but also the consequences his actions brought to other people and their families.
Does it excuse what he did? No.
He should spend the rest of his life in prison.
I'd like to know the whole story of the situation though. He targeted these kids. Why these ones? There's gotta be something behind it to make him go after these ones, yet not attack anyone else (like the teacher chasing after him)
And this in no means excuses what he did, just my feelings on it. A young upset and angry kid, acting on impulse, and probably now waking up to the actual consequences of his actions.
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I agree, it's just like a nightmare that you can't wake up from... the bad just keeps coming. The two remaining will almost certainly suffer some degree of survivor's guilt, too... this is just beginning for them
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I can guarantee you that manga and anime didn't cause the deaths of 3 children.
He didn't say those things caused it. He said those things are sympematic of kids who are sort of detached from society and loners who find their best friends in a virtual world... If you would like to dispute that be my guest but he didn't say anime caused anything.
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Why do we always ignore the home life?
Nobody is exactly ignoring it.. a host of people have already chimed in and said they didn't want to hear anything about his crappy violent homelife because that's no excuse... 
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