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The Rams wouldn't be stuck at six. They could be one of the teams trading up.
U think this is soooo easy???
Move from 2 to 6 then back to 4???
A move like that has NEVER happened in the history of the draft...Only in all our wanna-be minds... 
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U think this is soooo easy???
Move from 2 to 6 then back to 4???
A move like that has NEVER happened in the history of the draft...
I'm assuming you mean that high, because just last year the Browns traded back and then traded up to take Phil Taylor.
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The Rams wouldn't be stuck at six. They could be one of the teams trading up.
U think this is soooo easy???
Move from 2 to 6 then back to 4???
A move like that has NEVER happened in the history of the draft...Only in all our wanna-be minds...
especially if we were in the bidding for the #2 pick. i can just imagine Heckert fielding the call from St. Louis about how much they'd like to trade up to the #4 pick 
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The question is would the Rams want to fall down to 6 where they have a real possibility of losing out on Kalil and Blackmon? This gives the Browns a better chance of getting that pick for much cheaper than the Redskins. If the Rams trade down to 6, they have to deal with the Vikings, Browns and TB to not pick Kalil or Blackmon, unless they have someone else in mind to pick. And even if none of those teams wants those two, they have to deal with teams trading down to someone who does.
Not to burst any bubbles but I can easily see the Rams being very happy drafting Reiff or Floyd (especially after his 40 time) at 6.
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U think this is soooo easy???
Move from 2 to 6 then back to 4???
A move like that has NEVER happened in the history of the draft...
I'm assuming you mean that high, because just last year the Browns traded back and then traded up to take Phil Taylor.
Of course I mean that high...
We're talking ELITE in the Top 5...Not Taylor...C'mon man...
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Robert Griffin is the best thing that happened to Luck in this draft process.
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I talk about the draft a TON to a few of my buddies in a facebook thread. We have had it going literally for just about 4 years. I was just reviewing some of the stuff we were posting leading up to the draft this past year and aside from the fact that I had posted I doubted I believed the rumor that Atlanta would give up a "reported" 1,2,3,4, and 7 to move up to grab Julio Jones .... I also found myself astonished that the top guy off of the board even as early as a few weeks before the draft was going to be Da'quan Bowers .... even after they saw his medical situation it was looking like Dareus would have been #2 behind Newton and that Fairley would probably be gone by the 8th spot overall. I suppose my point in this is I am wondering if all of this Griffin 'hype' is what it really is ... and while I am just commenting ... I would be surprised at the end of the day if the price to grab griffin ends up being two firsts plus anything else ... especially when even a month ago there were folks who were LAUGHING when they said the price for Andrew Luck (still a better prospect) could be as much as three first rounders. .... and now some people think that it might cost that much for the 2nd best player? I just want to see what actually happens and not just what the 'newest rumor from an unnamed source familiar with the team" is .... 
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And now Schefter says 2 #1's...A 3 and a 5...lmao...
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Lot's of possibilities here.
Say we decide we don't want Griffin, either because the price is too steep or we simply don't want him, and the Rams trade with The Sinks and drop to #6. How about getting them to trade back up with us? They still get the guy they like and we drop to a position where Tannehill makes a bit more sense. We could probably get a 2nd out of them if we tossed in one of our 4th rounders along with the swapped position.
As was said, free agency is going to make all the difference in the word. The team that gets Flynn is out of the hunt to move up and just by the nature of the signing will allow Heck to better gauge who is going to draft who, at least in and around our draft position.
Is #6 too high for Tannehill? I don't know, again, there are workouts on the horizon.
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I'm gonna see a flaming bag of poop on my doorstep from Mourg over this, but yeah, 6 is WAY WAY too early for him.
He's the classic guy who looks the part and goes much higher because teams are desperate for QB's.
That isn't to say he's absolutely going to be a bum. What I am saying is that he's a project with limited experience and lots of question marks and that combination is not what you want when you buy high on a QB, especially at 6.
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especially when even a month ago there were folks who were LAUGHING when they said the price for Andrew Luck (still a better prospect) could be as much as three first rounders. .... and now some people think that it might cost that much for the 2nd best player?
Thank you... I'm glad someone else sees it.
As for Tannehill - prior to the start of Silly Season™, he wasn't considered by many to be better than an early 2nd rounder if I'm correct. Aside from people reaching, I can't see him suddenly now being a Top 10 player.
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Yeah, but it won't stop the pundits when he's "falling" in the 1st round and they're bringing up Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn.
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Is #6 too high for Tannehill?
#37 is too high for me
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Is #6 too high for Tannehill?
#37 is too high for me
Yea, I wouldn't take you at #37 either.
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And now Schefter says 2 #1's...A 3 and a 5...lmao...
If that's the price it ends up being, I bet our FO thinks long and hard about it. We have a ton of issues right now and RGIII presents a potential solution to a lot of them.
- We don't have a franchise QB: I don't think anyone is going to confuse Colt for a franchise QB. He's a solid backup but I don't feel confident that he has the ability to make a team a contender every year. RGIII has that ability and we have the coaches in place to make it happen.
- We lack a good offensive identity: What exactly is our offense? Right now, it's bland vanilla WCO minus the explosive parts of the playbook. RGIII would almost force us to expand what we do and transform us into a WCO that not only does well with the staples but also has big play potential.
- We have few if any playmakers on offense: Who on our offense keeps coaches up at night? RGIII would give opposing coordinators NIGHTMARES. How do you stop him? Heavy focus on the short stuff which is how they beat us now? He'll beat you deep. Stop him deep and he'll beat you short. Oh and he has the ability to run for big yardage outside the pocket. The definition of a playmaker.
- We don't have a face for our franchise: We don't just lack an offensive identity, we lack an organizational identity. Thomas/Haden etc. are great players but they don't get much play outside of Cleveland. RGIII is a phenomenon and he handles himself so well that he would do a great job of selling the Browns (the same way Kyrie is putting the Cavs out there)
- The fanbase needs to be energized: Right now there are some fans (even longtime diehards) who are having trouble getting excited to watch us play, like they could take a bathroom break mid-drive and miss nothing. RGIII is EXCITING to watch. He's a threat to do something incredible with every snap. We NEED a guy like that to help reverse 10+ years of apathy.
I could go on but you get the idea. He provides so much energy and hope that we're lacking right now that even for a price beginning to reach excessive, he could end up being worth it in the end.
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And now Schefter says 2 #1's...A 3 and a 5...lmao...
Schefter is saying that because that's what the Chargers got for Manning from NY.
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Is #6 too high for Tannehill?
#37 is too high for me
Yea, I wouldn't take you at #37 either.
well, I would at least show up to the combine in shape and give really good interviews 
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If all those picks are the ones this year, and it was draft day and WAS still had no QB, I'd do that. We still have a second, two fourths, two 6ths, and whatever comps we get. I'd like to solve the QB position for that. WR depth is great in this draft and we can get two good guys in the fourth, or 1 good one and a RT with the other pick. Target a DE in the second... maybe Curry. 6th round pick a RB (Ganaway, Herron) and BPA the rest of the way out (FS Hartman, OLB D. Davis, ILB JMJ, DT Jaye Howard, DE Julian Miller)
1 (+1+3+5) QB RGIII
2 DE Vinny Curry
4 WR AJ Jenkins
4 OT Andrew Datko
6 RB Terrence Ganaway
6 OLB Demario Davis
6c DT Jaye Howard
6c WR Greg Childs
7c FS Tysyn Hartman
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As for Tannehill - prior to the start of Silly Season™, he wasn't considered by many to be better than an early 2nd rounder if I'm correct. Aside from people reaching, I can't see him suddenly now being a Top 10 player.
He was there in the eyes of a lot of scouts. These sites copy and paste and copy and paste and few actually study film or even watch these kids they write about. It is why most were still pimping Burfict until a few weeks ago. Hell Kiper the guru had him top 15 a couple weeks ago.
The more film study is done the more coaches are going to love what they see in the kid. Hey bottom line the Browns didnt have a large contingent at the Northwestern vs A&M bowl game for no reason and the kid put on a show.
That month of nothing but practice leading up to the bowl game was huge for the growth of the kid. Do they like him enough to take him at 4? If they feel he is a true franchise QB, they just might.
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Lot's of possibilities here.
Say we decide we don't want Griffin, either because the price is too steep or we simply don't want him, and the Rams trade with The Sinks and drop to #6. How about getting them to trade back up with us? They still get the guy they like and we drop to a position where Tannehill makes a bit more sense. We could probably get a 2nd out of them if we tossed in one of our 4th rounders along with the swapped position.
As was said, free agency is going to make all the difference in the word. The team that gets Flynn is out of the hunt to move up and just by the nature of the signing will allow Heck to better gauge who is going to draft who, at least in and around our draft position.
Is #6 too high for Tannehill? I don't know, again, there are workouts on the horizon.
This is what drives me nuts about some fans. Not singling you out but Ive seen this before. If people are willing to give up 2 first round picks a 2nd and perhaps more to move up 2 spots why is moving down 2 spots worth only an additional 2nd?
This why we hold the cards, we show no interest the Rams have to decide if they want to move below us as Django said.
We have in the past shown that we will move down lower in the draft to get more picks and could move down to the teens gaining picks next year.
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Lot's of possibilities here.
Say we decide we don't want Griffin, either because the price is too steep or we simply don't want him, and the Rams trade with The Sinks and drop to #6. How about getting them to trade back up with us? They still get the guy they like and we drop to a position where Tannehill makes a bit more sense. We could probably get a 2nd out of them if we tossed in one of our 4th rounders along with the swapped position.
As was said, free agency is going to make all the difference in the word. The team that gets Flynn is out of the hunt to move up and just by the nature of the signing will allow Heck to better gauge who is going to draft who, at least in and around our draft position.
Is #6 too high for Tannehill? I don't know, again, there are workouts on the horizon.
This is what drives me nuts about some fans. Not singling you out but Ive seen this before. If people are willing to give up 2 first round picks a 2nd and perhaps more to move up 2 spots why is moving down 2 spots worth only an additional 2nd?
This why we hold the cards, we show no interest the Rams have to decide if they want to move below us as Django said.
We have in the past shown that we will move down lower in the draft to get more picks and could move down to the teens gaining picks next year.
OK....I said possibly get a 2nd....what's wrong with that Nick??
What are you talking about?? Explain what you would want.
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This is what drives me nuts about some fans. Not singling you out but Ive seen this before. If people are willing to give up 2 first round picks a 2nd and perhaps more to move up 2 spots why is moving down 2 spots worth only an additional 2nd?
This why we hold the cards, we show no interest the Rams have to decide if they want to move below us as Django said.
We have in the past shown that we will move down lower in the draft to get more picks and could move down to the teens gaining picks next year.
possible because other then the Bengals, we are the only team with two 1st round picks this year and the highest we could hope to get 'this' year would be a 2nd round pick, but that would also come with additional picks, this year and a first next year.
<see last years trade and depending on how far we draft down, (if) then you can get a picture of what we might receive.
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If all those picks are the ones this year, and it was draft day and WAS still had no QB, I'd do that. We still have a second, two fourths, two 6ths, and whatever comps we get. I'd like to solve the QB position for that. WR depth is great in this draft and we can get two good guys in the fourth, or 1 good one and a RT with the other pick. Target a DE in the second... maybe Curry. 6th round pick a RB (Ganaway, Herron) and BPA the rest of the way out (FS Hartman, OLB D. Davis, ILB JMJ, DT Jaye Howard, DE Julian Miller)
1 (+1+3+5) QB RGIII
2 DE Vinny Curry
4 WR AJ Jenkins
4 OT Andrew Datko
6 RB Terrence Ganaway
6 OLB Demario Davis
6c DT Jaye Howard
6c WR Greg Childs
7c FS Tysyn Hartman
7c DE Julian Miller
Now that's what I like...Good one...
SHOW me what we could still do even giving up whatever picks to move to 2...Instead everyone wants to just call it "Giving up our entire draft" 
And there's FA also...
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With ESPN now reporting that the Rams are going to trade the #2, it looks more like a deal will get done before drat day (and likely before free agency). The Rams know the best deal they are going to get will come before free agency with more bidders than after with less. RGIII's stock isn't going higher and selling here will maximize their potential return. Of course, my guess is that this early sale also leaves the Browns out (I don't think we make a play before draft day). My money is still on the Redskins.
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Part of me hope the Skins jump the gun and do the Trade now...
Just get it all over with...
Then we have more time to talk to teams about trading DOWN.. (including Stl..)
Eagles want to jump up and grab Blackmon? Send us Desean Jackson, and Next years 1st to start off (plus This years 1st obviously)
Trading down is always more fun...
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jc http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5...ding-to-combineTop QB prospects on 3rd down Player Blitzes Comp. pct. Sacks INTs Robert Griffin III 79 62 6 0 Andrew Luck 110 57.3 5 5 Ryan Tannehill 140 57.1 2 5 Brandon Weeden 136 62.5 3 5
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again its not just you but as someone said just below your post I would want a 1st next year along with moving down. I guess it just seems that I see some undervalue our pick which is very high is all Im saying.
I guess getting the 6th and 34th isnt bad but If people would give up the 4th the 22nd and the 36th pick to move up 2 I would want something more then just a 2nd or some have said even just a 3rd to move down because we could move below them (#6) and get so much more.
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Claiborne and a DE worth a damn would take this D to another level...
Would have a dominant pass rush...
2 Corners great against the run...
2 Corners who need zero help over the top...
Ward comes closer to the LOS...
Win Win Win...
I'm all over this!
Mario Williams in free agency and Morris Claiborne (I'd take him at 4) and Luke Kuechly (I'd give up the 22 and a 4th to move up and get him) in the draft?
Hmm, that'd be interesting to me!
I'd also like to get Stephen Hill but I think he could be the first WR taken ahead of Blackmon & Floyd.
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I understand what you're saying about free agency possibly putting a damper on a trade for no. 2, but I still think no deal gets done before draft day. I just think the Rams are going to want that last second offer that has a little bit more.
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I'd also like to get Stephen Hill but I think he could be the first WR taken ahead of Blackmon & Floyd.
Not sure what to say -- I'm not sure I've ever seen somebody overstate the importance of the combine by that much....
Somehow a 0.1 second difference in the 40 time is going to erase the fact that Blackmon and Floyd both almost had as many TDs as Hill had receptions?
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Top QB prospects on 3rd down
Player Blitzes Comp. pct. Sacks INTs
Robert Griffin III 79 62 6 0
Andrew Luck 110 57.3 5 5
Ryan Tannehill 140 57.1 2 5
Brandon Weeden 136 62.5 3 5
Interesting but below that found this more interesting
Top QB prospects vs. 3rd down pressure
Player (Comp. pct.) QB Rating
Robert Griffin III 20.0 15.1
Andrew Luck 50.0 139.1
Ryan Tannehill 25.0 33.3
Brandon Weeden 33.0 33.0
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I'd also like to get Stephen Hill but I think he could be the first WR taken ahead of Blackmon & Floyd.
Not sure what to say -- I'm not sure I've ever seen somebody overstate the importance of the combine by that much....
Somehow a 0.1 second difference in the 40 time is going to erase the fact that Blackmon and Floyd both almost had as many TDs as Hill had receptions?
Hill was in a system (option) that didn't really equate to him getting many chances, but his YPC, his speed and the fact that he laid out AT THE FREAKING COMBINE to make a catch is telling to me. He could have simply let the ball fall 'incomplete' but he laid out for it and made the catch. Plus, his height (6'-4") makes him a natural target.
The video of his runs and catching plus the on-air interview with the NFLN at the combine and some video highlights.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d827378aa/Hill-making-a-presence
Then the stats that he had in college.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/483021/stephen-hill
So, take it for what you want but I think he's done himself a very good turn at the combine.
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because of all the hype surrounding RG3,, does anyone actually think that the Colts go that direction rather than Luck?
I mean, seriously, the Hype is so strong about him,, what do you believe.. They pre-combine hype, or the post combine hype.
I mean, there was talk (not much, but some) that RG3 might not go in the top 5,, as the combine approached, more and more folks started to believe that he might be the Real Deal.
Personally, I don't think teams are susceptable to the hype. I think they look at what they see and hear from the guy and pretty much totally disregard what the pundits say.
I am sticking with Luck first.
I think RG3 is going to drop out of the top 3.
Bold and maybe even nuts.
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If no one deals into no. 2 and 3, RGIII falls to us. Easy.
But, someone's going to trade with the Rams. If some other teams that are a little lower in the draft get wind that the Rams couldn't find another trade partner, they'll come calling.
And, if no one trades with the Rams, I gotta think the Vikings would be getting mad trade calls.
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If I was Indy, I would take RG3 ahead of Luck because RG3 on that fast indy track is scary. RG3 has a much stronger arm and is a better deep ball passer and that is what Arians offense is all about, finding the home run.
Luck would be best suited for a pro set but you can put him in anything and he is gonna be pretty good. I dont think he is this perfect guy that some make him out to be but he is good.
Now when you start comparing all 3 QBs in Arm, accuracy, footwork, decision making, pocket presense, athleticism, leadership, intelligence, anticipation and then you throw in the systems they ran and experience and what you get is 3 guys that aren't nearly as far apart as it is made out to be.
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If no one deals into no. 2 and 3, RGIII falls to us. Easy.
But, someone's going to trade with the Rams. If some other teams that are a little lower in the draft get wind that the Rams couldn't find another trade partner, they'll come calling.
And, if no one trades with the Rams, I gotta think the Vikings would be getting mad trade calls.
the problem with that thinking (and its no skin off my back either way) is that we've watched Quinn and Leinert drop. We've seen the big hype surrounding Rogers or Smith and then watched Rogers drop and end up Elite and Smith do nothing for 6 years...
Let's go back to Leaf vs Manning... at the time, the talk was that the Colts were having a hard time deciding between the two. They took manning and all that hype about Leaf Ha.. gone in 4 years.. Manning is heading to the HOF. (I still say that they weren't havng a hard time at all. They knew it was manning all the way, just can't prove it)
What I'm saying is, there have been a whole lotta guys that have flown up draft boards seemingly because of all the hype,, and ended up fallin flat on thier faces..
I really don't think that teams will fall for hype. and right now, Luck looks real.... the trouble is, I've fallin for RG3 also,, I think he's real.,
But odds say,, one will flop..
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If I am Indy and I am hearing that the value for Griffin could be multiple firsts ... then I at least start to consider some more options.
If Washington would want to give up 2 firsts, a second, and a third for Griffin ... would they go 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds (if not a little more) for Luck?
If you are sitting there and you are Indy ... the #6 with an extra 2nd and third this year doesn't look so bad. But add the top 3 picks for next year from Washington and they would add a LOT of talent and fix a LOT of problems fast.
They would also have the ammunition to trade a few of those and move back up to grab Griffin with St. Louis ... or they could even trade down and look to draft a guy like Tannehill ... this would really only work if they thought Peyton could play a few more years ... but wow. (Just for a curveball).
I just keep thinking how funny it was when people suggested Andrew Luck could cost 3 first rounders. If the price of Griffin is 2 firsts and a second then Luck could cost 3 firsts plus another mid or high pick if not more...
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Well, I think what'll be very telling is what happens with Manning. If they let him walk, gotta think they're going for Luck at no. 1. Ok, maybe RGIII at no. 1, but I doubt it.
Now, if they keep Manning, maybe they think about trading down. But, still, I sincerely doubt that, too.
I think Luck is pretty much a lock at no. 1. Picks 2, 3 and 4, though, could be pretty exciting.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Well what I am saying is if you believe all of this hype ... it's kinda silly.
What would you give up for Cam? 3 firsts? the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd when all are at the sixth spot of the round with another first?
How about Bradford? Would you give up the #4, #22 and the #37 (and it still might come up short...?)
Sanchez was had for a 1st, 2nd, and a few scrubbs. In hindsight that could have been a bad trade on Mangini ... but still.
Cassel PLAYED a year - looked somewhat legit - led the Pats to 11 wins .. and was had for a high second rounder ... and the chiefs got a few seasons out of Vrabel as well!
Even Jay Cutler ... who was a pro bowl quarterback ... was ransomed for only 2 firsts, a third and Orton and they had to give back a 5th rounder.
And yet ... when pro bowler Jay Cutler might have been the biggest deal in there .. he was already proven and he was only auctioned off for 2 firsts and a third. We would not only be able to offer more than that ... but it still wouldn't be enough.
So if all of a sudden the price for these top two picks really is that high ... then why wouldn't the Colts want to maximize that sort of value? (or the rams or whoever). It's obviously either just media driven speculation and frenzy to suggest that 2 firsts and a second isn't enough to move up two spots ... or it's really a seller's market.
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