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I also think that you have to look at each year/player separately. After all, before the Rams found Kurt Warner, there were no guys signed from the checkout line who led their teams to a Super Bowl either. Before Tom Brady there were probably no 6th round QBs who led their team to 5 Super Bowl berths. There are always exceptions, and each player has to be looked at on his own merits.

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please redirect this thought to the Flynn thread

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I do like Wes Bunting. He puts out good, well thought out pieces. Stuff gleamed from watching tape, not gauged on what other GMs/Scouts are offering.

Slight digression....most of the ESPN people know very little and rely on their connections for their opinions. Once you peel back the onion on these guys, their backgrounds and their jobs now....

I can't think of one that was a legit scout who loved watching football.

Most of these guys like Mort, Shefter, Glazer and Clayton are wannabe gumshoes...guys who came up through journalism, got in with a team, then parlayed that into sources and brokers of inside information.

These aren't guys like Wes Bunting who want to spend time watching football! ugh, blech! football!

These are reporters. That's it. Finito.

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There's 1 problem with Bunting...there are tape watchers with a backbone and there are Bunting's

I have follwed his rankings since the 1st day he released them and he has dropped (or upped) some prospects by as much as 1+ point without changing the text...how come? Me thinks he "heard" stuff and changed his rankings accordingly...without explaining any of them...he wants to be a "tape guy" but he's a weather vane as most of the others 1st and foremost

Right or wrong, THIS is a tape guy with a backbone:

http://footballdiner.com/ncaa2012underclassmen2.html

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Are you really quoting this guy? LOL http://paul-emery.suite101.com/

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Mac, I'd like you and others who believe in that fallacy to explain in detail why that will give Tannehill an edge. Tell me what it exactly is that he's going to understand that the other 31 starting QB's in the NFL won't.

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Toad...someone said the following...


“Even though it wasn’t at the quarterback position, I did get experience playing football and seeing the game out there,” he said. “I learned a lot from it, and fortunately I was able to get back to where I wanted to be under center.”
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You're quoting Tannehill. That's just

You didn't answer my question. All you did was quote the guy in question.

One personnel executive who agrees that Tannehill is on the right track is Seattle general manager John Schneider, who pointed to Tannehill this week as the perfect example of the kind of player he wants running his offense -- as much an athlete as a quarterback.

"First and foremost, that's what we're looking for," Schneider said on Thursday. "Especially at that position. Guys that have always been in the quarterback schools, the special camps, and all that kind of stuff. They make me a little nervous to a certain extent. This guy is a real football player.
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Again, you didn't answer my question. Again, you're spinning.

So I'm going to ask you again: What about playing WR is going to give him inside knowledge that any other NFL QB won't know?


Toad...anyone with a lick of football sense can see why Tannehill's experience at WR might help him become a better QB.

Instead of standing around for 2.5 yrs holding a clipboard, waiting his turn to play QB, Tannehill was gaining "football experience" on the football field. Tannehill not only played WR...he was good at that too, showing that he is more than just a QB...he is an athlete.

More spin, and you still haven't answered the question.
Tannehill improved himself as a football player and an athlete by playing WR rather than holding a clipboard, waiting for the opportunity to play QB.
Redundant spin without answering the question.
As for my comment "Tannehill has a unique perspective as a QB, being a very good WR for his team before returning to the QB position. That experience might lead to his quality of getting the ball out quickly once he sees his target..quick release."

...how could playing QB help Tannehill develop a quick release?...simple, his experience as WR allows him to envision the WRs pass pattern and better anticipate the timing and placement needed to complete the pass.

What, like no other QB in the league can do that?

My bad. I guess only a guy who used to play QB can know how to anticipate a route coming open...

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I don't know Mac....and I like Tannehill...his playing couldn't hurt anything, but I don't see how his playing WR is going to make him a better QB.


Cribbs played QB in college and it hasn't made him a better receiver.

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I don't know Mac....and I like Tannehill...his playing couldn't hurt anything, but I don't see how his playing WR is going to make him a better QB.


Cribbs played QB in college and it hasn't made him a better receiver.

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I don't know Mac....and I like Tannehill...his playing couldn't hurt anything, but I don't see how his playing WR is going to make him a better QB.


Cribbs played QB in college and it hasn't made him a better receiver.

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It certainly is not going to help him anticipate anything, but it will help him relate to his WR's when he talks to them about what they were both seeing on a play.
One could argue that it *might* help him make reads as he's already had to do it to a degree as a WR, but that's pretty thin.

If absolutely nothing else - it is experience, and that can never be overstated.

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Cribbs played QB in college and it hasn't made him a better receiver.

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But in the case of Tannehill...if the kid himself says playing WR helped him become a better QB...we have folks on this message board that believe they know more about Tannehill's unique college career than Tannehill, himself knows about his own college career....

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Cribbs played QB in college and it hasn't made him a better receiver.

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I'm curious how you think you know that. It may not have made him a GREAT NFL WR but how do you know it didn't make him better than he would have been? The guy had never played WR in his life and is now a servicable WR in the NFL... Not sure how you can say definitively that some of that success isn't because he played QB in college...

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Cribbs played QB in college and it hasn't made him a better receiver.

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I'm curious how you think you know that. It may not have made him a GREAT NFL WR but how do you know it didn't make him better than he would have been? The guy had never played WR in his life and is now a servicable WR in the NFL... Not sure how you can say definitively that some of that success isn't because he played QB in college...

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STOP USING YOUR BRAIN

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Please....I'll play Daman....Prove it made him better.





Like I said in my first post, it couldn't hurt anything which is my quick way of saying what Purp said....it is experience. And sure, as DC said, maybe it helps when talking to the QB or receivers, and something not mentioned, it is terminology...at least you are talking it and thinking it.


But...I still don't think it makes him a better QB....playing the position does.

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I'm relieved we didnt pull that trigger for RG3. Youre not outbidding Snyder! He's a spoiled kid and will not be outdone!

However RG3 turns out I'm not looking at a woulda, coulda, shoulda scenario. I dont choose to live that way.

It's time for this regime though to swing the pendulum to the winning side this year.

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Please....I'll play Daman....Prove it made him better.

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Now your talkin

to you Mourg for being able to answer the question. While I'm going to argue your thoughts, you did what Mac couldn't do on multiple occasions.

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1. When flushed he becomes a 6-4 225lb receiver out in the flat not just a stumbling bumbling Qb. He will also understand how to use the blockers out in front of him more than a normal QB.

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His natural ability was what gave him the ability to transition to WR in the first place. Griffin never played WR but his natural instincts make him a good runner. Speed has a way of doing that. Besides, he isn't going to be a great or bad QB based on his running. He's going to make-or-break based on his throwing.

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2. Not afraid to take the big hit to catch the ball. Not afraid to take the big hit to throw the ball.

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I haven't seen anything that said he isn't afraid to take a big hit. In fact, one of his knocks is that he falters under pressure. Besides, the good QB's in the NFL aren't afraid to stand in the pocket, and I'm fairly confident Bernie Kosar never played receiver. Can you imagine?

I can actually argue that because he's spent time at WR and not time at QB, these things have not been instilled into him. Can you suggest he is less afraid to be tackled? Ok, I can get on board with that. However, being tackled isn't the same as standing in the face of a blitz when you're unprotected and delivering the ball. That isn't something he has experience with, which I can argue stems from his time wasted as a WR.

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3. Excellent balance and footwork. Nothing is worse than a flat footed QB. The footwork drills they go through has to translate.

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I disagree with that. He doesn't have excellent balance and footwork for a QB. He takes extra steps and has wasted motion in his throws more than he should. The footwork and agility drills for WR's and RB's are different than the agility drills QB's go through. So again, I can argue that his time as a WR has left him without the experience needed to fine-tune his mechanics.

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4. I would think it would certainly give a better understanding of the routes the receivers are going to run, if you have been running them yourself.

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That's a thin one, Mourg. From a QB's standpoint, he doesn't need to have been in a receivers shoes to know when a receiver is supposed to break, whether or not a receiver is covered, and whether or not he has timing and anticipation with his receiver.

Put another way, what the receiver has to do to get open has no bearing on whether or not the QB makes a decision to throw the ball....unless he's throwing to himself.

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5. I think it will be also be much easier to relate to the ego's of the NFL receiver since Tannehill was a very good college receiver in his own right

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Your first three were good arguments, though I disagree. You started reaching on #4 and #5, hehe.

NFL receivers aren't going to give a rats-ass if he played receiver. They will only care if he's a good leader and can make the throws.

Good discussion though.

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It all started because I said he had 50 starts 30 of which just happened to be at receiver. It isn't the greatest experience but it is experience and there are some positives to be taken from it. Now the RG3 devotees took it upon themselves to rip anything and everything said about Tannehill.

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Well, I dunno if you're lumping me in with that crowd or not (I didn't see me named specifically so ) but in general terms, I'm arguing against two things with Tannehill:

1) I argue where he should get drafted. I view him as a 2nd round guy, not a first rounder, and certainly not a high first rounder.

2) I'm arguing whether or not his time as a WR gives him an edge to other QB's. Keep in mind that's how I got involved in the discussion.

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In fact, one of his knocks is that he falters under pressure.

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In fact, one of his knocks is that he falters under pressure.

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IF you provided a link to that statement it would lead to Ytown's house lol.

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Yep. Let's see .... I want so desperately to have great players on the Browns that it actually hurts ......

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YTown, does it hurt so bad you are going to cry? Seriously man, pick yourself up and pull yourself together! Get a grip, Griffin is gone! Have patience and faith because there is nothing you can do to change it. This is their plan and we will be fine.

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Yep. Let's see .... I want so desperately to have great players on the Browns that it actually hurts ......

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YTown, does it hurt so bad you are going to cry? Seriously man, pick yourself up and pull yourself together! Get a grip, Griffin is gone! Have patience and faith because there is nothing you can do to change it. This is their plan and we will be fine.

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