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Not that there's anything wrong with it,but it's probably nota good idea to have that on the internet.
Ehh, There are plenty of women floating around the Country that can attest to my preference so I worry not. Thanks for the catch though.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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It's hard to be optimistic at times, when you look at the knuckleheads that have ran this team the past decade or so. Most of these guys have been exiled from football all together. It's not a who's who list. Not to mention the current regime is 9-23 in 2 years. They have to start producing this year, or year 4 might be their last, and once again we will start from scratch.
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I know a Trella, he's an electrician. Anyway, I know it's hard. I think the negativity that surrounds this team from a fanbase has an effect but do you think people will stop? You don't think those guys in the locker room don't know that you have no faith in them or that they don't hear the Boos or are cringing and fear throwing that first interception? What is not supporting them going to do? Is it going to get us another front office and Coaching staff, a whole new offensive and defensive scheme? How about just let these guys execute their plan and support the guys that ARE here for once. That's what they feed off of, not negativity. Do you guys want to win one year or be darn good for the next 10? If you really think these guys don't know what they are doing or don't have a plan or want to win then you are naive. Let them do their thing and support what they do and let's see if it works for once.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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I think they have this draft to show us something.. If it turns out to be a dude then the fan base will turn for the worst. I've been waiting a LONG time and we hear the same old story so it's HARD to just have blind faith after awhile.
Why do I stay with the Browns? Why do I like the color blue ? I just do. Been that way all my life.
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The Plan is the same plan it has been. Ryan Tannehill was plan A all along.
Then why did they offer all those picks for RG3?
What picks did they offer?
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The Plan is the same plan it has been. Ryan Tannehill was plan A all along.
Then why did they offer all those picks for RG3?
What picks did they offer?
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Fricken Dikebe Mutumbo over here...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Not going to change until we find out what was offered.
Using reports that heckert says are crazy in an argument to attempt to prove any point seems kinda silly to me..
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The team obviously was in the trade talks for the #2 pick. They didn't get it. If they were in it to the end, then they offered a pretty heavy duty package. (or they would have been out with KC, Philly, Miami, and other teams rumored to be in the bidding) They were in it to the end, and logic would then tell us that they either made, or were prepared to make a significant offer. It didn't work. It's time to move on.
Gawd, and people say that I can't let go of this ........
You will NEVER find out exactly what was offered from a Browns team source. What possible good could come from them coming out and saying "We offered this, that, and the other thing, but it didn't work out"?
None.
Thus it will never happen.
Logic says that there was a significant offer made. Logic also says that we will never hear from a team source just what that offer was. (unless it's 10 years from now in some fabulous look back interview, after those involved on the Browns part are retired or moved on) If you don't follow the logic, then I don't know what to tell you.
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If they were in it to the end, then they offered a pretty heavy duty package. (or they would have been out with KC, Philly, Miami, and other teams rumored to be in the bidding) They were in it to the end, and logic would then tell us that they either made, or were prepared to make a significant offer. It didn't work. It's time to move on.
The key there is the word Rumor.. that's the part that some on here just don't get.. I'd have nothing to say about it if Heckert hadn't called the rumors "crazy".
So I say,, our offer wasnt as high as reports would have you believe..
Were we a player in the mix,. I have no doubt. beyond that.. it's just rumor.
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And you haven't.. I did a long time ago,, the problem for me is using rumor based arguments to attempt to prove any point.
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When Michael lombardi strts backtracking from a story there was no story. He is one of the guys that reported the browns with a big late push and a big offer. Now it was a "very lukewarm offer at best", in his own words.
Real life doesnt work that way. The only story was a contrived story just like with Flynn.
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Concern in Miami that Flynn could sign with Seahawks todayPosted by Michael David Smith on March 16, 2012, 12:05 PM EDT With the Dolphins out of the Peyton Manning sweepstakes, attention in Miami is turning to Matt Flynn, who always seemed like a good fit because he learned coach Joe Philbin’s offense in Green Bay. But there’s one problem: Flynn is visiting Seattle first, and some folks in Miami are concerned that the Seahawks will make Flynn a great offer that convinces him to sign without even visiting the Dolphins. Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports, quoting an unnamed associate of Flynn, that Flynn signing with Seattle before he flies to Miami can’t be ruled out. Dave Hyde of the Sun Sentinel also writes that the big question right now is: whether the Dolphins can keep Flynn from Seattle. Flynn could sign with the Seahawks as soon as today if Seattle makes him a great offer, and the Seahawks have plenty of money and cap space with which to do that, if they’re so inclined. That would put the Dolphins in the position of not only missing out on their first choice, but also missing out on their fallback option. It took a few days, but as Manning narrows his options, it appears that interest in Flynn is starting to heat up. That’s not a good sign for the Dolphins.
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If the Seahawks get Flynn maybe the Dolphins will panic and trade up to four to get Tannehill.
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If Flynn was smart he would sign with Seattle.. Not sure if he can handle the Jets, Patriots, or even Bills two times a year..
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Yea,, And he'll probably turn out to be the next Dan Marino  Wouldn't THAT be a Browns legacy. We miss out on a RGIII and then trade away the pick that gave another team their franchise QB. Only in Cleveland could that happen.
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Report: Dolphins make low-ball offer to Matt Flynn Posted by Evan Silva on March 16, 2012, 12:58 PM EDT Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Miami Dolphins are “low-balling” free agent quarterback Matt Flynn in contract negotiations. The Dolphins’ thinking is apparently that Flynn wants so badly to play for head coach Joe Philbin, his offensive coordinator in Green Bay, that Flynn might be willing to settle for significantly less than market value. Of course, market value for a quarterback with two career starts is ambiguous. Kevin Kolb signed a reported six-year, $65 million contract with the Cardinals last offseason after seven career starts. And that deal has already been considered for termination. At the same time, the Dolphins don’t have much leverage. Top free agent target Peyton Manning resisted their overtures, and the quarterback market is otherwise devoid of franchise-caliber signal callers. Flynn is in a better spot, drawing interest from the Seattle Seahawks. Could the Fins miss out on Peyton Manning, and Matt Flynn, too? It certainly seems like they’re willing to take that risk.
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And IF that story actually has any validity, the only thing it really shows is that Philbin doesn't really believe all the hype.
Bottom line: You don't go with a low-ball offer of a gamble on a QB you REALLY want if you think he's ready to be a star.
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It says a lot if the Dolphins don't go all in on Flynn. It says the Dolphins don't think Flynn is better than Matt Moore. Maybe it doesn't say a lot, but it at least says one big thing. No one (besides the Packers) knows Flynn better than the Dolphins. If they don't want him then it probably means he isn't all that great.
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Hell, I wouldnt mind having Matt Moore in this offense. The kid has some talent.
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Seems like Moore is less accurate than the desired QB in that offense.
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If the Seahawks get Flynn maybe the Dolphins will panic and trade up to four to get Tannehill.
If we're sitting at no. 8 after that trade, I have to think we'd be looking at Richardson. There's no way the Rams take him and I sincerely doubt the Jags will. Now, maybe someone will try to trade ahead of us, but I can't think of anyone who is so desperate as to do that.
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Between DA, Quinn, Delhomme and now McCoy, They make Matt Moore look like Bull's Eye. (Marvel Comics reference)
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If the Seahawks get Flynn maybe the Dolphins will panic and trade up to four to get Tannehill.
If we're sitting at no. 8 after that trade, I have to think we'd be looking at Richardson. There's no way the Rams take him and I sincerely doubt the Jags will. Now, maybe someone will try to trade ahead of us, but I can't think of anyone who is so desperate as to do that.
Based on the current state of affairs, if we could drop down to 8 and still get Richardson, I'd be ecstatic.
Frankly, Richardson is the guy I'd want at 4 anyway.
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Yep. Maybe make the Fins throw in a first next year, or at least a 2nd this year.
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Matt Flynn Leaning Towards Miami? ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the Dolphins have “emerged as the favorites” in the QB Matt Flynn sweepstakes. “I think the Dolphins are the team to beat,” said Schefter. There have been some reports that suggested that the Seahawks may try to prevent Flynn from visiting with the Dolphins but Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com refutes the idea by reporting that, Flynn will not sign a contract with Seattle before meeting with the Dolphins. Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports reports that Flynn would like to sign with Miami but mentions that the team is “low-balling the offer” with the hope that he’d be willing to give them a discount to play for Joe Philbin. Cole adds that a deal in the range of $7-8 million per season could be what it takes to get him to sign. As you can see, there have been some conflicting reports about the Flynn’s preference as well as the Dolphins strategy towards signing him. It seems like there’s a willingness to get some done with the Dolphins on the part of Flynn, so you’d have to think that they’re the favorites at this point despite Cole’s report. We have Flynn listed as the #13 best available free agent in our updated Top 50 Free Agents list. web page
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The Seattle Seahawks have agreed to terms on a contract with former Packers quarterback Matt Flynn, the team announced Sunday.
The contract is for three years and $26 million with $10 million guaranteed, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Flynn agreed to a deal with Seattle after visiting both the Seahawks and the Miami Dolphins over the past week.
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I think when you typed "3 Years and 26 million" what you meant was "5 years 50 million"
...Right?
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Less than I thought, but still more than I would have paid.
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Gotta feel good fr the kid - 7th round pick with basically two great games that made him a multi millionaire
This QB shuffle this off season sure has been interesting
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From what I understand from Sirius, the 26 is max contract, but they didn't say anything further than that. From Seattle's perspective, he gets about the same amount as clipboard Jesus...and Flynn can't be much worse than Whitehurst was...
Of course, Seattle has to hope he turns out like the last former GB QB named Matt that they picked up...
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They can sit tight and wait for him to fall to them. If we're willing to trade they won't need to trade with us. I don't see Tampa taking him. They could trade with Tampa Or St Louis for a whole lot less.
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As would I. Richardson at 8 with more picks would be a home run.
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That's the whole thing though ...... how many B rated QBs has Seattle chased lately? Charlie Whitehurst, Tavaris Jackson, and now Matt Flynn.
These are the guys they dumped Hasselbeck for ....... and they wonder why they're in the shape they're in, despite playing in one of the worst divisions in football.
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They're in much better shape than the Browns are unfortunately. They have a legit #1 WR in Rice (when he's healthy), and found a diamond in the rough for the slot receiver. Lynch has played lights out at RB since they picked him up. They have 3/5 of an OL, when they are healthy. On D, they had a top 10 defense, a very young and talented defensive backfield and 3/4 of a good DL.
Sure, they reached and overspent at Whitehurst, but I gotta say Tavaris outplayed his contract (2 years, $8m), while injured all season. Had the OL not been decimated with injuries, I'd think he'd have played even better.
That being said, I get what you mean and agree with you. I wasn't happy when they dumped Hasselbeck. I do hope Flynn works out though.
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Just goes to show how important the QB truly is.
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