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I guess you can rule out St. Louis and Jacksonville off Manninghams teams he would consider also.
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Right . . . ?
I'd like to think so. But apparently the reason for the success of the Colts, Pats, Steelers, Packers, Giants and Saints is mostly because they "build through the draft", not because Peyton, Tom, Ben, Brett, Aaron, Eli and Drew will all be enshrined in Canton in the next 10-15 years.
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Ahh yes,, he was a trade.. I probably could have counted players aquired via trade and I bet the same or similar results would be found..
for my money, entirely too much is made of picking up Free Agents (and to an extent trading for high profile guys).
the most consistently successful teams are those that know how to draft and then hang onto thier guys until they lose thier abiltiy to be the best...
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I was only elaborating on Daman's saying they don't make big splashes in Free Agency . . . Didn't say they had crappy QB situtations . . . 49ers sign Perrish Cox??? Geez, Harbaugh must think he can deal w/ knuckle-heads as well as anyone else these days . . .
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Free agent wide receivers are overrated. I can't remember one big name free agent wide receiver that has been all that successful. Quote:
for my money, entirely too much is made of picking up Free Agents
If you get guys who fit your system and can play for many seasons in the future then they are very valuable. Sproles and Peppers come to mind as guys who were excellent free agent pickups in recent years.
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I expect to see Flynn signed relatively quickly (before Thursday night for sure) - his agent is going to want the uncertainty surrounding whether or not Kolb will be released - to prevent teams from having somewhere else to go.
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I expect to see Flynn signed relatively quickly (before Thursday night for sure) - his agent is going to want the uncertainty surrounding whether or not Kolb will be released - to prevent teams from having somewhere else to go.
unless Flynn is willing to wait out Peyton to get a deal in Miami
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I think Flynn will sign quickly, but I'd be surprised if it was by tonight. Now, maybe by this weekend.
I think today is going to be kind of boring, outside of seeing just who hits the market.
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If you get guys who fit your system and can play for many seasons in the future then they are very valuable. Sproles and Peppers come to mind as guys who were excellent free agent pickups in recent years.
well, I was thinking about the most successful teams.. I mean, if you are going to copy a methodology, you may as well copy one that has worked... Right?
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I see the Seahawks going all in on him. The Dolphins are the other team that I can see going after him, but they have to wait and see what Manning does.
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Wacky little RB idea. I was looking at Jamison Hensley's predicted stay/go AFC North FA movements (as much as that counts for....the guy is a BRUTAL journalist). He predicts Hillis will leave and I think that's pretty good odds but another name he has in there leaving a division rival caught my eye.
Mewelde Moore.
Granted he's older than you would like but he's got pretty low mileage on the tires. It seems whenever he does get carries he's making good yardage. He might not be an everydown back but could make up a nice piece of a platoon.
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No thanks.
If we sign a guy I'd like Justin Forsett.
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Moore and Forsett are 3rd down backs. Maybe we sign one to compete with BJAX, but he is supposed to be healthy.
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I'd take the Law Firm over Moore.
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Law firm will go for big dollars....Moore would likely be had on the cheap.
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I agree. I should have said I'd take the Law Firm over Moore for the right price.
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We need to come out of free agency with at least two starters at either WR, RT, CB, DE, HB, LB or QB. You have to figure we can grab 4 players worthy of starting with our 1st four picks.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Twelve minutes till that cash starts flowing! 
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Hillis headed to the Steelers?
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Sssshhhh. Stop it, please . . .
Browns analysis: Receiver should be No. 1 priority in free agency
Filed by Scott Petrak March 13th, 2012 in Browns Notes.
The Browns, coming off another 4-12 season, have needs across the roster.
Free agency begins today at 4 p.m. and is the first avenue to address those.
General manager Tom Heckert has vowed to “not go crazy” signing free agents.
It may not be the Bermuda Triangle, but how these three points intersect will begin to chart the course for the 2012 season and beyond.
I believe Heckert when he says he’ll stick to his philosophy of building through the draft and not overspend for other teams’ castoffs. But that doesn’t mean he can’t improve the team in the next week or two with a streamlined plan, an aggressive approach and the willingness to overpay slightly.
Here’s my blueprint for the Browns, who are $17.4 million under the $120.6 million salary cap.
Bring in a wideout
The Browns have had problems at receiver for years. It’s time they look for the cure in free agency.
Greg Little was productive as a rookie in 2011, but he needs help. If the Browns find the right complement, Little, Joshua Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi would all benefit from another threat on the outside.
Heckert and his scouts better have spent the last two months watching film of the Saints, because that’s where two of the top free-agent receivers played in 2011 — Robert Meachem and Marques Colston.
Meachem is my first choice for the Browns. He has the speed required to be a consistent deep threat, which is an element that’s been missing from the Cleveland offense. He has put up good numbers (84 catches, 1,258 yards, 11 touchdowns the last two years) despite playing in an offense that spreads the ball to multiple targets, and he’s 27 years old.
Colston has been more productive (80 catches, 1,143 yards, eight TDs in 2011) and would also fit, but he’s a year older and has battled injuries.
If the first call goes to Meachem, the second should be to Indianapolis’ Pierre Garcon, who starred at Mount Union. He’s only 25 and is coming off a season in which he had 70 catches, 947 yards and six touchdowns, despite a series of bad quarterbacks.
Let Peyton go
I know the thought of watching running back Peyton Hillis walk away and go play for someone else is difficult for a lot of fans. But it’s the right move for the Browns.
Hillis was way more trouble than he was worth in 2011 and turned off many people inside the organization, including teammates. Even in his one good year, 2010, he wasn’t an elite back.
So the Browns shouldn’t chase Hillis. If he tests the market, finds the grass greener in Cleveland and is willing to play for the minimum and incentives, then the Browns can think about re-signing him. But he’s certainly not worth a long-term deal or much guaranteed money.
Yes, the Browns will have to find another back to join Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson and Chris Ogbonnaya. But that’s why there’s a third round in the draft.
Out like Flynn
With Robert Griffin III no longer an option, the Browns must be taking a second look at Green Bay free-agent quarterback Matt Flynn. He’s considered the best available quarterback next to Peyton Manning, is 26 years old and would fit seamlessly into coach Pat Shurmur’s West Coast Offense.
But Flynn is a huge risk. He was a seventh-round pick, has started only two games and doesn’t do anything spectacularly well. Sure, he’s an upgrade over Colt McCoy, but that isn’t enough.
It’d be one thing if the Browns loved Flynn. But Heckert has twice said signing him was unlikely, and the team clearly valued Griffin more. It would look like a panic move if Heckert threw $50 million at Flynn.
If the Browns don’t like their remaining options in the draft, they can hope Arizona lands Manning. That would free Kevin Kolb, whom Heckert drafted in Philadelphia. He knows the offense and the move would be automatic.
Don’t forget defense
The Browns made significant strides on defense last year, ranking 10th overall, second against the pass and fifth in scoring. That doesn’t mean they can ignore that side of the ball.
The Browns could use another defensive end opposite Jabaal Sheard, an outside linebacker to split time with Scott Fujita and a cornerback to pair with Joe Haden, which would allow veteran Sheldon Brown to try his hand at safety. I think he’s a natural free safety.
Jacksonville’s Jeremy Mincey (eight sacks, four forced fumbles) and Baltimore’s Cory Redding (4 1/2 sacks) were productive last season and are options at end. Cincinnati’s Manny Lawson would add athleticism at linebacker, and Tennessee’s Cortland Finnegan is the best option at cornerback. Finnegan could fetch $10 million a year, but he’s a proven starter who’d fit in Cleveland’s system.
That’s the type of risk Heckert should consider. Because it comes with great rewards.
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I think that is a rumor that got away from some one. Not sure if there is any truth to it. Someone checked and said they didn't see anything on the Squeelers Boards. 
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lol, I doubt it. Mendenhall will likely be out this whole season (or close to it), but he's their no. 1 guy when he's healthy. I doubt Hillis is going to go somewhere for a year, and I doubt the Steelers will bring him in for the type of money he probably expects.
Now, what if the Bengals release Cedric Benson? Would Hillis fit there?
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link The Miami Dolphins have traded receiver Brandon Marshall to the Chicago Bears for two third-round picks, according to league sources. The sources said Chicago will send its third-round pick in 2012 and 2013 to Miami.
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Sooooo, Miami didn't like having a no. 1 WR??
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I just checked the draft tacker it says Ahtyba Rubin is UFA????? Is this true? 
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Kills their shot for Manning.
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Could they be making room for Reggie Wayne/ Pierre Garcon ????? Strange. I thought Marshal did pretty well for them last year.
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Do the Dolphins have another no. 1 WR??
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Umm.... Bess? I don;t believe that but thats the closest I could imagine.
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no, he signed a big extension during the season.
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Yeah, unless there's some Manning/Wayne/Garçon deal going to happen??
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Wayne played at the U, didn't he?
Could mean a Manning-Wayne swan song.
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Thats a little too conspiracy theory.... This isn't the NBA.
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I agree. I'm just trying to make sense of why they'd let go of Marshall for so little.
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actually, Peter King has been at the forefront of saying that Peyton+Wayne is likely a package deal.
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actually, Peter King has been at the forefront of saying that Peyton+Wayne is likely a package deal.
Well..... Reggie Wayne not waiting on Peyton Manning to sign
By Will Brinson | Senior NFL Blogger
It's presumed that Reggie Wayne will follow Peyton Manning wherever he goes in free agency. That's a logical presumption, but not 100 percent valid, as Wayne reportedly isn't committed to waiting for Peyton to sign before he lands on another roster.
That's according to Albert Breer of the NFL Network who reports that Wayne is more than willing to make his own move and sign with a team before Manning picks his next playing destination.
Here's the fun catch, though, and precisely why I have Wayne as my 22nd-rated free agent this offseason: Wayne could end up recruiting Manning.
Yup, that's right. Let's say, hypothetically, that Wayne ends up signing with the Dolphins (he went to college at Miami, so it's a logical fit). The Dolphins, then, would have a significant advantage over other teams when it comes to appealing to Manning.
It won't determine where Peyton goes, of course, but it will be at least one enticing factor that could lure Manning into playing in one particular spot.
So perhaps we'll see a team get bold at 4 p.m. ET on Tuesday, make a play for Wayne and really try to get all-in on Peyton.
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