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You are also seeing what happens when you go get an exciting player like RGIII.. Everyone wants to be a part of it. If I'm the owner of a team this is EXACTLY what I would want to energize the fans base.. Winning is big yes.. But filling those luxury suites and selling all those T-Shirts and crap is even bigger to the bottom line.
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You are also seeing what happens when you go get an exciting player like RGIII.. Everyone wants to be a part of it. If I'm the owner of a team this is EXACTLY what I would want to energize the fans base.. Winning is big yes.. But filling those luxury suites and selling all those T-Shirts and crap is even bigger to the bottom line.
I don't think that's it at all,,, I mean, not as it relates to Garcon.. they are getting Luck in Indy who is considered by everyone (at least it feels that way) to be the best QB coming out since Payton Manning....
It's the money....
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Yeah but Free Agents have changed the futures of franchises:
1) Reggie White
2) Drew Brees
3) Curtis Martin
4) Kurt Warner x2
5) Charles Woodson
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Rod Woodson (big player in Ravens SB season)
Deion Sanders (may have helped swing balance between SF/DAL rivalry)
with Charles Haley (he of the most SB wins for a player - but a trade)
Rich Gannon was a FA right before the Raiders made the SB, right?
Farrior / Harrison - 2 FAs Pitt signed that solidified their LB corps
Vrabel was another FA LBer (for NEs 3 runs)
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and tendered a couple of others...
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Not sure Indy could have even offered much. Money ? Yea maybe.. But He also knows Indy is in FULL rebuilding mode and Luck ain't doing much for awhile. At least with the Redskins they are puting pieces in place. What is Indy doing besides signing Luck ?
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and tendered a couple of others...
And signed Alex Smith I thought.
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I don't think that's it at all,,, I mean, not as it relates to Garcon.. they are getting Luck in Indy who is considered by everyone (at least it feels that way) to be the best QB coming out since Payton Manning....
It's the money....
Being reported over 8 mill per yr. by ESPN
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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here's a list of best FA signing of each year since 1993 (Reggie's year) http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d80852164&template=with-video&confirm=truethose I didn't mention: Troy Vincent (Eagles) Siragusa/McCreary (Ravens) Runyan (Eagles) Priest Holmes (KC) - can't believe I forgot him!!! Delhomme (Car) - did take them to a SB afterall Lynch (Den) Burress (NYG) Leonard Davis (Dal) - honorable mention for Jamal Lewis (Cle) for our 2007 season
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I like Garcon but you do not pay a guy that has never had a 1000 yd season 8 mil a year. Dan Snyder wins the offseason awards once again. BTW how are they gonna pay these guys since the NFL supposedly stripped them of what 30 some million from their cap?
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they had $31mil in cap space and the NFL took $18mil this year and $18mil next year.
so, they had $13mil in cap space to work with to sign Garcon and Morgan (and likely others). I'm guessing the $8mil/year for Garcon is structured to have a much smaller cap hit this year than that number, which is why so much of the contract is guaranteed.
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Bears close to signing Jason CampbellYou mean they don't want to be stuck with Caleb Hanie if Cutler goes down? Mario Williams to visit three more teams after Bills Quote:
Linebacker/defensive end Mario Williams will make his first free-agent visit on Tuesday night, to the Bills.
Per a league source, three other teams are ready to bring him in.
No additional visits will be set until Wednesday. The Bills likely hope that no further visits will be set at all.
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Thanks, havent really been following that stuff but was shocked seeing the guys they are reportedly going after or already have wrapped up. 8 mil a year for Garcon wow thats just umm stupid lol Can't bid with DAn Snyder.
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they had $31mil in cap space and the NFL took $18mil this year and $18mil next year.
so, they had $13mil in cap space to work with to sign Garcon and Morgan (and likely others). I'm guessing the $8mil/year for Garcon is structured to have a much smaller cap hit this year than that number, which is why so much of the contract is guaranteed.
No, they took $36M over the next two years, to be divided up however the Redskins see fit, as long as they give up the total amount over the next two years.
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You mean they don't want to be stuck with Caleb Hanie if Cutler goes down?
Good for them (2nd time I've said this today - after the trade). They needed an actual QB with NFL talent to play behind Cutler. If they had someone last year, they would have made the playoffs and who knows what would have happened when Cutler got back. Oh well.
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they had $31mil in cap space and the NFL took $18mil this year and $18mil next year.
Not quite - the NFL took $36M over two years, the Redskins were allowed to partition that however they want between the two years.
Any smart team with 31M in cap space would have made a few small moves this year, and taken $25M+ of that hit off the books now.
The redskins are not that team...
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Thanks, havent really been following that stuff but was shocked seeing the guys they are reportedly going after or already have wrapped up. 8 mil a year for Garcon wow thats just umm stupid lol Can't bid with DAn Snyder.
As much as I liked the though of Garcon as a Browns WR ... 8 million per year is just insane.
We better hope Justin Blackmon doesn't get selected by the Vikings.
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Even if these free agent moves make them competitive this year, they will take a step backwards next year when they have to start cutting...
You know it's going to happen ... That team will never have continuity and bliss in the locker room.
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they had $31mil in cap space and the NFL took $18mil this year and $18mil next year.
so, they had $13mil in cap space to work with to sign Garcon and Morgan (and likely others). I'm guessing the $8mil/year for Garcon is structured to have a much smaller cap hit this year than that number, which is why so much of the contract is guaranteed.
No, they took $36M over the next two years, to be divided up however the Redskins see fit, as long as they give up the total amount over the next two years.
no, that was the initial media report which was wrong
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Sources said Monday that the amounts the Redskins and Cowboys have been penalized off the cap could be split up any way the teams chose for the 2012 and 2013 seasons.
But Tuesday, on the website that teams use to chart other teams' cap situations, the league has deducted $18 million from the Redskins and $5 million from the Cowboys this year.
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Posted by Michael David Smith on March 13, 2012, 6:35 PM EDT
No matter how much salary cap space the NFL docked them, the Washington Redskins were serious about improving the wide receiver position in free agency.
The Redskins moved quickly to sign free agent receiver Pierre Garcon, they’re reportedly deep in talks with free agent receiver Josh Morgan, and now we have yet another report of yet another free agent receiver landing in Washington: Eddie Royal.
According to 106.7 The Fan in Washington, D.C., the Redskins have agreed to terms with Royal. However, we’ve heard that there’s no done deal yet.
Whether the deal gets done or not, it’s clear that we’ve got our second straight offseason of the Redskins looking to sign free agent receivers. Last year it was Donte Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney and this year it’s Garcon, possibly Morgan and possibly Royal.
Last season Royal played in 12 games for the Broncos, starting eight of them and finishing the season with 19 catches for 155 yards. Those aren’t particularly impressive numbers, but then again the Broncos’ offense wasn’t conducive to big receiving numbers last season. But Redskins coach Mike Shanahan knows that in the right offensive system Royal can put up big numbers: As a rookie in 2008, Royal caught 91 passes for 980 yards and five touchdowns. His coach that season was Shanahan.
So it’s easy to see why Shanahan would want Royal as one of the new receivers for Robert Griffin III.
Man! It's like Washington is taking the two WRs I really want!
I get that 8 million is a lot of money, but what would we have paid Desean Jackson or Stevie Johnson? I imagine more than that.
It's like the Redskins are taking all the guys I want. Even if they're overpaying them, they're still not ending up on the Browns.....
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so, they had $13mil in cap space to work with to sign Garcon and Morgan (and likely others). I'm guessing the $8mil/year for Garcon is structured to have a much smaller cap hit this year than that number, which is why so much of the contract is guaranteed.
No, they took $36M over the next two years, to be divided up however the Redskins see fit, as long as they give up the total amount over the next two years.
Then you have this story...
League requires Cowboys, Redskins to take half their cap reductions in 2012
Posted by Mike Florio on March 13, 2012, 11:12 AM EDT
When reports of the uncapped year cap slap of the Cowboys and Redskins emerged on Monday, it was explained that the teams could decide on their own how to divide the cap consequences in 2012 and 2013. That prompted some speculation that the teams would spend now, and fight later.
A league source tells PFT that the teams will be required to absorb at least half of the cap consequences in 2012. For the Cowboys, it means $5 million in lost cap room. For the Redskins, $18 million disappears.
They can each choose to absorb more of the cap penalty in 2012, or they can push all of the other half to 2013.
In contrast, the teams that received the $1.643 million cap credit (which comes from the Cowboys/Redskins’ lost cap space) can use split it up however they choose over the next two seasons. Every franchise except the Raiders and Saints receives the extra credit.
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Not sure Indy could have even offered much. Money ? Yea maybe.. But He also knows Indy is in FULL rebuilding mode and Luck ain't doing much for awhile. At least with the Redskins they are puting pieces in place. What is Indy doing besides signing Luck ?
If you ask me, it looks as if the Redskins are in full rebuild mode as well.. I don't see a lot of difference between the two... that argument doesn't really hold all that much water.
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Stevie got 8 mil a year I think and he is twice the receiver Garcon is.
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Yeah but Free Agents have changed the futures of franchises:
1) Reggie White
2) Drew Brees
3) Curtis Martin
4) Kurt Warner x2
5) Charles Woodson
Some others:
Rod Woodson (big player in Ravens SB season)
Deion Sanders (may have helped swing balance between SF/DAL rivalry)
with Charles Haley (he of the most SB wins for a player - but a trade)
Rich Gannon was a FA right before the Raiders made the SB, right?
Farrior / Harrison - 2 FAs Pitt signed that solidified their LB corps
Vrabel was another FA LBer (for NEs 3 runs)
Yes and in every single case with the exception of Brees and White, the team was pretty much in place and these guys were pieces that were missing.
I got no problem with that.. never have, never will.. But to think you can start where we are today or better yet, where we were two years ago and build it through Free Agency? Not gonna work.. the Redskins are a perfect example.. another example is a team that had lots of part in place, but went nuts in FA and ended up not being all that great,,,, the eagles last season..
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Ok, so they still get to divide it up however they want, as long as they use at least half of it in this season.
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Sounds to me like that position is entirely made up from FA It will bit them in the butt in the long run. I don't see them going to the SB this year or Griffen being ready for what's about to hit him. Folks talk about Tannehill needing a couple of years to be groomed for a starting assignment, but I don't think Griffern's case is any different. Trouble is he won't have that luxury and reality is going to smack him square in the face. 
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Ok, so they still get to divide it up however they want, as long as they use at least half of it in this season.
I'll tell you the same thing I told someone else today... if you are posting a sarcastic remark, please post it in purple 
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 excellent point, but I was referencing the speed of the game ... The small windows of opportunity's to get the ball to a receiver. Reading an nfl defense and I haven't even mentioned the most basic of obstacles to hurdle, such as improving his mechanics, footwork and timing.
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Redskins, Josh Morgan strike a deal Posted by Mike Florio on March 13, 2012, 6:50 PM EDT 129038798_crop_650x440-1 Getty Images By late April, the Redskins will have a quarterback. And they’re now rounding up receivers. Not long after signing Pierre Garçon from the Colts, the Redskins have struck a deal with former 49ers receiver Josh Morgan, a league source tells PFT. It’s a five-year deal that, based on the language, will void to two years. The device was used to push 80 percent of the cap hit for the signing bonus into 2013, given the Redskins’ unexpected loss of $18 million in 2012 cap space. The two-year deal is worth up to $12 million, with $7.5 million guaranteed. (It’s unclear at this point how much of it is “fully” guaranteed or guaranteed for injury only.) The four-year veteran grew up in D.C. He had a career-high 698 receiving yards in 2010. PFT
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I don't see them going to the SB this year or Griffen being ready for what's about to hit him.
Whether the Skins improve or not doesn't really matter to me, it's dissapointing because these are guys I wanted on the team and the Skins got them.
Kind of like the RG3 thing. I wanted RG3, the Skins got him. Do I want to give up more than what the Redskins did (value wise), nope. But it still sucks they got him.
I don't care if they're setting themselves up for disaster, it's not helping the Browns
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I don't see them going to the SB this year or Griffen being ready for what's about to hit him.
Whether the Skins improve or not doesn't really matter to me, it's dissapointing because these are guys I wanted on the team and the Skins got them.
Kind of like the RG3 thing. I wanted RG3, the Skins got him. Do I want to give up more than what the Redskins did (value wise), nope. But it still sucks they got him.
I don't care if they're setting themselves up for disaster, it's not helping the Browns
True, but they have over paid on all accounts in my estimation in what should be a buyers market, with record numbers of players hitting FA.
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True, but they have over paid on all accounts in my estimation in what should be a buyers market, with record numbers of players hitting FA.
See, I'm not sure how contracts are gonna go. I think the cap got smaller, yet rookies are getting paid MUCH less. So veterans are supposed to get more (which would mean higher veteran contracts)
8 mill a year for Steve Johnson puts things in perspective a little bit. Bills made out on that one vs Skins with Garcon. I was really hoping Johnson would be an UFA and come here (before he got resigned), same thing I felt with Desean Jackson, before he got franchised
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Dolphins & Browns Negotiating A Contract With QB Matt Flynn Written By: Nathan Rivera | March 13, 2012 | Posted In: Browns Dolphins Packers Seahawks Omar Kelly reports that the Miami Dolphins and the Cleveland Browns are currently negotiating a contract with Packers QB Matt Flynn. Kelly expects both teams to submit official offers in the near future. It appears as though the market for Flynn is moving very quickly and I’m sure he’s happy about that considering that he’ll probably get a pretty sizable deal in the process. —————— According to Don Banks of SI.com, Packers QB Matt Flynn is looking at the Miami Dolphins and the Seattle Seahawks as the most likely landing spots at this point in time. “Seattle and Miami are going to be Matt Flynn‘s market, and whichever one doesn’t get him probably becomes Ryan Tannehill’s next team,” mentions Banks. That’s probably the case but you’d have to add the Browns to the list of suitors for both players. We have Flynn as the #21 best available free agent in our Top 50 Free Agents list. NFLdraftrumors
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We already noted that the Bills are hosting Williams tonight, and that they’d like to get a deal done tonight, before the three other serious contenders for his services can get him to come to town. Now we have more information about the nature of the Bills’ offer.
Mark Gaughan of the Buffalo News reports that the Bills are doing all they can to get Williams to sign now, before he leaves Buffalo. The Bills want to make Williams the highest-paid defensive player in the league, with a deal better than the six-year, $91.5 million contract that Julius Peppers signed with the Bears in 2010. The Bills’ offer to Williams will apparently include more than $91.5 million in total money, more than the $40.5 million in the first three years that the Bears gave Peppers, and more than the $42 million guaranteed that the Bears gave Peppers.
Buffalo’s full-court press for Williams started with G.M. Buddy Nix and defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt flying to North Carolina to pick Williams up, and Williams is now having dinner with Nix, Wannstedt, CEO Russ Brandon, head coach Chan Gailey and defensive tackle Kyle Williams. The whole gang will try to get Williams to sign tonight, or tomorrow morning at the latest.
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