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Didn't the Jags just sign Henne? Ehh, whats the diff, Henne's no good either. Jacksonville just makes too much sense for Tebow not to end up there. Hope he goes there and shines. But if he flames out, there's always the CFL, then a coaching career, then the Senate, and finally, the White House. 
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Tim Tebow > Colt McCoy. I honest to God believe that. Based on that alone ABSOLUTELY we should kick the tires about bringing him here.
My guess is he goes to Jax and leads them to the playoffs within 2 years though.
As for our QB situation? Unless Miami signs Alex Smith it's looking more and more like we'd have to take Tannehill at #4 (a huge over draft) if we want him (Miami will take him at #8)....otherwise we're looking at adding absolutely nobody of note beyond a late round 3rd QB project.
Doesn't it get you all warm and tingly thinking about THAT?!? But hey, who needs Tim Tebow?
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http://www.kvue.com/home/Tim-Tebow-will-...-142240345.htmlwell, Tim Tebow is coming to Colt's neck of the woods for a talk on Easter. if the Browns do trade for him (which is doubtful), then he'd be surprised at how unwelcome Texans can make a visit (who would be upset at the man slated to try to unseat their Longhorn).
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But if he flames out, there's always the CFL, then a coaching career, then the Senate, and finally, the White House.
Gawd...I've already had to face the possibility that I'd have to quit the Browns. I'd rather not face the possibility that I'd have to move to Canada!
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Tim Tebow > Colt McCoy. I honest to God believe that.
You can believe that. You are wrong. And McCoy is better especially better for the offense our entire team is based on.
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Based on that alone ABSOLUTELY we should kick the tires about bringing him here.
Based on what alone? That you think Tebow is better?
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We don't have to take anyone.
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If you could clone TT, rename him Bob Smith and convince him he can only play RB, FB and TE with the occansional trick passing play once every 2-3 games and that he also plays on special teams.....sure, I'd take him. I'd even trade for that "Bob Smith".
But TT the QB?....... and the circus that surrounds that name. FORGET IT!
I would really have to wonder who would want him with all the excess baggage that comes along. I suppose New England can pull it off. They have a strong coach, an all-world QB, high-character team and coaches that are willing to have guys playing both ways doing anything to help the team.......AND BB saying in the press conference, "He's our X-factor guy. Don't expect to see him under center, ever. But we'll find a way to use him."
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You can believe that. You are wrong. And McCoy is better especially better for the offense our entire team is based on.
Except Tebow out-performed McCoy in college. He's out-performed McCoy in the NFL and he's led his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs already. He can even throw a 20 yard out route on a line...something Colt can only do in his wet dreams. The only leg you have to stand on are Tebow's "mechanics". Well that and just flat out disliking the man.
Oh and I think the offense our entire team is based on is complete trash. I've hated it from day 1. I think we'll continue to flounder until we scrap it and move on...most likely with an entirely new coaching staff and FO.
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Based on the fact Tebow IS better. He may not be Peyton Manning but he's certainly better than Colt Frye.
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We don't have to take anyone.
I don't want Tannehill at #4 either. My point is he won't be there at #22 and probably not even in the mid-teens for us to move up and select if we wanted unless Miami signs Smith. If they don't, they're taking Tannehill at #8. In that case we'd get no Luck, no RG3, no Tannehill, no Flynn.....leaving us with Colt Frye.
So no we don't HAVE to take anyone. Unless you want to find a way to win more than 4 games next year. If you don't care about another 4-12 year then sure let's continue to roll with Colt.
FWIW this is exactly what I think will happen. We won't inquire too hard about Tebow. We'll take either Blackmon or Claiborne or Richardson at #4. Tannehill will be gone by #22 so we'll just keep drafting other pieces and "hope" with Colt for one more year....and after we're picking in the top 5-6 again next year we can start this debate alllll over again.
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He's out-performed McCoy in the NFL and he's led his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs already.
He's led his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Yes. His team then said, "Holy crap we were lucky, we have to get a real quarterback in here."
Tebow completed 46% of his passes last season. Again. Tebow completed 46% of his passes last season. McCoy completed an unacceptable 57% of his passes. But that's still way better than 46%!
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I'm pretty sure it's important that a QB knows how to throw a football correctly. That is, you know, his job.
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Except Tebow out-performed McCoy in college.
They were in very different offenses, but McCoy was the much better passer.
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No matter what you like or don't like this is what the current system is. There is no fit for Tebow in this system at all.
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You need to stop beating around the bush and say what you really think.
Betcha a 12 pack of Natty Light he starts at least a couple games for somebody this year. Probably wins them too.
It won't be hard beating out a QB who was statistically the 34th rated passer in the NFL in Gabbert, especially what Khan has a need to sell tickets which is every bit as important as winning games. 
Actually, that's about as perfect a situation as there is for Tebow.. They have nothing,, so they really could start from scratch to build around him..
It might just work under those cirsumstances.
I like Tebow,, I think the kids a winner.. not conventional by any means so that means that fans around here will just go nuts if he lands here.. Frankly, I don't need to see the maddness take place. This team and this town have enough issues.. it really saddens me to say that by the way..
But I understand, we are going down a path right now., Even the most ardent Tebow fan would probably admit he doesn't fit the the plan the Browns have in mind.
And as much as I like the kid and the things he brings to the table, I don't believe it's smart to start down one path and change your course of action, unless it's mid year and your choices are limited as Denvers was.
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Tebow, Cribbs, Seneca and Colt all on the field at the same time. The defense will never know who is running the ball, throwing the ball, or receiving the ball. They might not care either , but it would be really fun thinking up all the sandlot plays we could run.
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The WCO requires a precision passer, and a guy who can read the defense, and decide where he's going with the ball immediately.
McCoy struggled with this mightily last year. However, Tebow never had to worry about it. He was given that same, simple 1 read he ran in college, and he was OK in it. While I won't say that he set Quarterback play back 100 years ..... he came damn close. He'll never be a WCO QB, with complicated reads and pinpoint passing. I don't think that McCoy will either, but adding another piece to the puzzle just for the sake of adding a piece makes no sense to me .... especially when that piece doesn't fit.
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Green Bay needs a short yardage back. They could replicate Carolina's short yardage package with Tebow in Cam's role (with the threat of a deep pass mitigating the defense from completely committing to the run).
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I think that offense would fall into the catagory of " If you cant beat them with talent...Baffell them with.......
well playing teams straight up sure isn't working 
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Like I said earlier, I would bring a guy like Tebow in to play TE. I bet he could do really well there. He could also handle a few trick plays. Putting him in as a QB on a team that plays completely opposite to his strengths, though, is idiotic. Here's the latest report on Tebow .... I would guess that the teams interested in him would be Jacksonville, Miami, Pittsburgh, (they've has success using a gimmick QB in the past) New England, and maybe Buffalo (long ball offense) and Oakland. (just because he seems like the kind of risk they'd take, and he could sit behind Palmer for a year or 2) Mike Freeman - CBSSports.com Interest in Tebow increasing http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/17922352/interest-in-tebow-increasingThe Denver Broncos are drawing moderate trade interest in Tim Tebow. Not spectacular. Not great. But solid. I'm told five to six teams have called the Broncos and that the number might be higher. The compensation being discussed is a low-round draft pick, a person familiar with the situation said. This source believes Tebow will be traded for a fifth- or sixth-round pick. For now, no one will say which teams are calling. League speculation -- and it's just general managers chatting -- is that the Jaguars are serious contenders for Tebow. No one would be surprised if he ended up in New England. The Broncos believe they'll be able to trade Tebow by the end of the week. There remains a distinct possibility that if he isn't traded the team would simply release Tebow. There doesn't seem to be a desire by the Broncos to keep him. At least for the moment there isn't. All of this is extremely fluid and could change. For the moment, it's a mess. But we should have clarity very soon.
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Oakland. (just because he seems like the kind of risk they'd take, and he could sit behind Palmer for a year or 2)
I think we have to start thinking of the Raiders differently. Al Davis is dead. They now have actual sane people running that organization.
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Well, Davis died. Their head coach then turned around and sent a 1st and a 2nd to the Bengals for a near over-the-hill QB. That head coach was subsequently fired this off-season and that QB restructured his deal.
Time will tell if the Raiders can be anything but the Raiders.
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Hue Jackson was fired because he is an insane person and there was no way he would be able to coexist with any person of power. He thought that Al Davis gave him full control of the team.
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He was given control of things, as it was his decision to get Palmer.
However, I do agree that McKenzie doesn't appear to be the dope that Al Davis has been for 20 years.
Too bad for the rest of the league.
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He was given control of things, as it was his decision to get Palmer.
However, I do agree that McKenzie doesn't appear to be the dope that Al Davis has been for 40 years.
Too bad for the rest of the league.
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Colt Frye
If we are going to combine Colt and Charlie's names to make fun of Colt might I suggest Colt McFrye instead? I think it has better flow to it.
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Hue Jackson was fired because he is an insane person and there was no way he would be able to coexist with any person of power. He thought that Al Davis gave him full control of the team.
Insane like a fox! After giving away a first and second round draft pick for a semi-retired player, he got a contract with the team he gave those picks to.
I'm sure it's all a coincidence.
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CoQuinn McFrye. That's probably more accurate.
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jc I'd trade for Tebow...not as a QB or football player, just as a lucky charm occupying a roster spot...he's the Gladstone Gander of football, if he can't turn around our luck, nobody can
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We could finally put the "God Hates Cleveland" line to the test...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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So does that mean that Denver is now the Anti Christ? 
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So does that mean that Denver is now the Anti Christ?
What do you mean now..?
This is like Z going to Miami, any other team I could ave rooted for him to win a title...
Right now I've never been more hopeful that Peen was actually right for once...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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So does that mean that Denver is now the Anti Christ?
What do you mean now..?
This is like Z going to Miami, any other team I could ave rooted for him to win a title...
Right now I've never been more hopeful that Peen was actually right for once...
Well they certainly couldn't have been confused as such last season with Tebow seemingly parting the Red Sea for them.
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Just some general replies...
I think that this is perfect for Denver... they get to bring in a proven winner to take over for a QB that the new FO never had much confidence in anyway... they had a chance to upgrade their QB position and took it. I don't think it was classless but just a football move. I agree that Tebow did a ton for that franchise last year and really what I think is more classless/sad is Tebow's teammates who have blasted him and some of the media who have really blasted him...
I really hope he has another chance to play QB somewhere. Personally I'd love to have him on our team but in no way do I want him starting next year at QB. I think if he was the back up and can learn to improve his passing game then great. If we want to use him in short yardage or move him to a new position (RB, TE) then great.
Personally I think he's going to Jacksonville for something like a 3rd or a 4th. I just think it makes too much sense.
Denver had better just pray that Manning's completly healthy. They should win their division easily next year, but I'm not gonna say they are winning the Superbowl...
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wow, Texans had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year and they can just give away their 1st and 2nd round 2006 draft picks and not miss a beat. 
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