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Very interesting read. Thanks

3rd down bring in Benard. Wonder if we plan on moving Sheard back to RDE. I believe one of the reasons he struggled at RDE, is that he never had a full offseason to work on the technique required with the position shift. We have the coaching staff on D to get him prepared.

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You have got to be kidding me!

We brought this loser/reject to the Bengals in Rucker?

Has been accused of rape on 4 different occassions? Listen folks...where there is smoke, there IS fire

I could see him being wrongly accused once, even twice...but 4 times...NO WAY

not to mention the domestic violence issues....this guy is a total loser....thats why the Bengals let him walk...

I am ashamed of Heckert..Character does matter...

This guy will be in trouble or in jail in 2 years...bank on it!

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Would have been happy if this were martin rucker.

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I dont get the Rucker/ Hillis debate. The debate will be Hillis vs. his replacement and Rucker vs. Mitchell.




good call, Mourg...but we cant really ignore the rucker issues either-he clearly has SOME kind of problem.


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I dont get the Rucker/ Hillis debate. The debate will be Hillis vs. his replacement and Rucker vs. Mitchell.




good call, Mourg...but we cant really ignore the rucker issues either-he clearly has SOME kind of problem.




Maybe I missed something more recent, but wasn't the last issue in 2007 or 08, so, imo, he HAD issues, but has stayed out of trouble since. Maybe he has gone to some type of counseling and has worked on it ever since, I don't know that he has. Just saying he has been off the blotter for quite some time. What he was accused of was awful, and not someone I would want to associate with if he had something very recent, but I would give a 2nd chance to if he was seeking help and had steered clear of trouble more recently. He deserves a chance here before we convict him of something in our court of public opinion, that he wasn't convicted of in... well the courts.

I wouldn't want him dating my sister, but if he was I would have a heart-to-heart with both of them explaining, 'you may be bigger than me, but some things are not needed close up in a fight. So treat her right and we both will stay out of trouble.' That's what I told my bro-in-laws, cept I was bigger than 2 of em.) My point, if she was still willing to stay with him, its her call, not mine.

In this case, if H&H feel he has done well since, and probably investigated what he has done since, then I will trust them to know more than I do, at this time. I don't like bringing in thugs, but sometimes a thug is actually a good person who just made a huge mistake. Granted more than one, but even thugs can turn things around and become productive members of society. So while he wasn't on my list of desired FA's, I am not going to cross my arms put on a sour face and say 'we suck, they suck the sky is falling', etc, etc, etc.

I view this signing like Patterson from last year; brought in to be a back-up, rotational guy, not a big splash, I don't expect 20 sacks, etc. Depth, nothing more, imo. I hope we get our 'expected-to-start' RDE in the draft, because there are few in FA that I would want still available, at a reasonable price.



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good call, Mourg...but we cant really ignore the rucker issues either-he clearly has SOME kind of problem.




Maybe I missed something more recent, but wasn't the last issue in 2007 or 08, so, imo, he HAD issues, but has stayed out of trouble since. Maybe he has gone to some type of counseling and has worked on it ever since, I don't know that he has. Just saying he has been off the blotter for quite some time. What he was accused of was awful, and not someone I would want to associate with if he had something very recent, but I would give a 2nd chance to if he was seeking help and had steered clear of trouble more recently. He deserves a chance here before we convict him of something in our court of public opinion, that he wasn't convicted of in... well the courts.

I wouldn't want him dating my sister, but if he was I would have a heart-to-heart with both of them explaining, 'you may be bigger than me, but some things are not needed close up in a fight. So treat her right and we both will stay out of trouble.' That's what I told my bro-in-laws, cept I was bigger than 2 of em.) My point, if she was still willing to stay with him, its her call, not mine.

In this case, if H&H feel he has done well since, and probably investigated what he has done since, then I will trust them to know more than I do, at this time. I don't like bringing in thugs, but sometimes a thug is actually a good person who just made a huge mistake. Granted more than one, but even thugs can turn things around and become productive members of society. So while he wasn't on my list of desired FA's, I am not going to cross my arms put on a sour face and say 'we suck, they suck the sky is falling', etc, etc, etc.

I view this signing like Patterson from last year; brought in to be a back-up, rotational guy, not a big splash, I don't expect 20 sacks, etc. Depth, nothing more, imo. I hope we get our 'expected-to-start' RDE in the draft, because there are few in FA that I would want still available, at a reasonable price.



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He probably just learned to leave a $50 and sneak off before the girls he drugged woke up.

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Sorry, I guess that was still while he was in college.

Nonetheless, I don't like abusive people like that at all, and I don't want them on my team.



I don't either... but he allegedly assualted his girlfriend in August of 05, she finally presses charges in June 06 after he gets drafted, then he pleads it out in April of 07, then get gets suspended in August of 07... It was one event.. (not the only event)... but I think some people mistakenly belief that it was 3 or 4 different events.

I AM NOT excusing hitting or raping a woman... I just want to make sure the facts are straight because reading a google search makes it difficult to track just what he has been accused of...


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I'm not condoning Rape or anything, or whatever. But after finding out he was 13 when it happened. A lot can be taken from that.

Maybe he raped her.
Maybe after it happened, she told her parents who assumed, like some parents do, that he raped her.

I'm just saying. Pulling your junk out in a classroom isn't cool. But honestly, If he comes here, and plays well, he will be cheered...


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Different incident.

There are so many it's hard to keep them all straight.

This is the girl from the 2nd assault charge while at his 2nd college.


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Nothing has happened since 2007.

If he comes in and plays well.

Are you going to boo him if he gets a sack?


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I am going to cheer and root for the Browns in all the days of my life.

As a father of a beautiful young girl in college, I am saddened and disappointed that Tom Heckert sees fit to sign a person of this character to play for my team.


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Not happy about signing Rucker. Glad to see most everyone agrees on this.

You don't give wife beating rapists millions of dollars. Find another guy to play, even if he is worse, but you don't pay this kind of guy and expect people to cheer for him.

Not a fan of this move one bit Mr. Heckert.

edit: Just read the link. I hope he is a solid run stopper; but honestly I'd rather not have him around. I forgot about hating Jamal Lewis over time, maybe Rucker, but I hope the dude starts doing charity work and gets some good PR.

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It doesn't really make sense.

Of all the D-Lineman out there, why him?

Heckert likes to draft his DE's late, so obviously he doesn't think he's going to start?

So why bring this guy, with this baggage, into the locker room?

Weird.


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As a father of a beautiful young girl in college, I am saddened and disappointed that Tom Heckert sees fit to sign a person of this character to play for my team.




I don't have a daughter, but the rest is exactly my feelings on the matter.


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As a father of a beautiful young girl in college, I am saddened and disappointed that Tom Heckert sees fit to sign a person of this character to play for my team.




I don't have a daughter, but the rest is exactly my feelings on the matter.




I agree.....
I do have a Daughter, but that shouldn't make a difference and neither should we give him any slack, because it was 5 or 6 years ago ... What the hell kinda logic Is that?

We are not talking about a DUI or getting busted for pot.

This is a contemptible person with a criminal mind. There is a big difference. It's not simply a character flaw here folks.


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Just what has Rucker been convicted of?



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Unimpressive? Wow
I would say he flat out stunk.
The next time I'm about to post something negative I will PM you first,you have a much more kind way of describing something than I.
Hell you could keep me out of all kinds of trouble.




Good luck finding a post from me where I condamn a PERSON, hired by the Browns or some other team, I don't even remotely know...judging on heresay or intenet crap is what rather stupid people tend to do, those people probably think wiki is an official source of information too...I use some kind of deduction to conclude that this guy most probably isn't the "monster" he's pictured to be...too many authorities and other "good people" disagree with this conclusion....what are those then? Stupid? All cynics? So let's see...a couple of judges, Goodell, and a boatload of FOs, who all have talked to this man on 1 side...and then some message board posters on here with some 5yo articles on the other side...hmmm, tough decision on who carries more credibility, isn't it?

We're not talking about a ProBowl player...he's an ok NFL guy...if all this was true he wouldn't be hired anymore...it's not like his prodcution is hard to replace, he's a complementary player

I know more about F.Rucker, the player, than I know Rucker the man...that's where I can form an opinion on based on what he did on the field...if he was total crap as a player, I would bash the signing....but as of now his signing makes sense since it was a need (better run stopping production from DE, more depth, more rotation there) and we got 1 from our rivals, who tried to re-sign him


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Exactly. I dont care one bit for the guy who it seems trouble follows. But no convictions? Personally, any league, any sport a conviction of a felony should be lifetime banishment.

I could do without the guy based on talent even before I heard about his past!

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Assault and vandalism for his most recent .... incident.


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I don't know enough about Rucker's talent level to really judge if this is a good move or not.

From my standpoint, I would never condone assault on anyone, woman or otherwise.

But, I know that I've seen posters on this board wish we had a guy like Big Ben (who HAS been suspended for his actions with women) or a guy like Ray Lewis. Hell, people supported Jamal Lewis, who did jail time!

I think if the Browns had made that trade with the Rams to move up to no. 2 and had maybe made a big move or 2 in free agency, there would be nowhere near the outcry over Rucker as there is now.

But since all you negative nancies hate life right now, this just blows up.

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I have often wondered what the reaction would be if we brought in Big Ben. He was never convicted but ....

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I can respect the abilities of a player like Roethlisberger or Lewis without wanting those players specifically.

I hated the signing of Jamal Lewis, but tolerated it because he did OK for us. Maybe that does make me a bit hypocritical ..... but what else could I do once he was here and the team depended upon him so heavily? I was never a big fan of his though, even when he was here, and I didn't shed a single tear when he was allowed to leave.

I cannot see ever even reaching that level of acceptance with this guy though. I have known several women, including a relative of mine, who were abused by a man, and I refuse to ever just accept that as something that's perfectly fine. I have seen the impact such abuse can have on someone.


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I think if the Browns had made that trade with the Rams to move up to no. 2 and had maybe made a big move or 2 in free agency, there would be nowhere near the outcry over Rucker as there is now.

But since all you negative nancies hate life right now, this just blows up.




Sure you've got a few guys complaining about that but I doubt it, since the general opinion seemed to be "I'm glad we didn't give up the farm"

I got laughed at by Bengal fans over this move at work yesterday, even they realize the person and the player is complete garbage.

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In all seriousness, this guy is basically just a rotational defensive end, something we needed.




5 years, only $8 Million guarenteed, $21 Million possible? Good value if you ask me. I know it isn't sexy on paper as our only free agent acquisition, but he's already an upgrade to Mitchell and for that price and place in our DE rotation (and plucking from Cincituck), it's not big money, but it's smart money.


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The Cleveland Browns need help all over the place. They ranked 23rd in sacks and 30th in rushing defense for the 2011 season. Incumbent Right Defensive End Jayme Mitchell ranked 66th out of 67 right defensive ends for PFF with a -15.3 rating. While a Mario Williams would have been a Cleveland fan’s dream free agent, that is not GM Tom Heckert or President Mike Holmgren’s current plan of action – which primarily revolves around building through the draft and acquiring under the radar free agents.

Wednesday, the Cleveland Browns came to an agreement with former Cincinnati Bengal RDE Frostee Rucker – a 5 year deal worth 21 million (8 million guaranteed). While this may not be the type of signing to break the internet or inspire one into purchasing Cleveland Browns season tickets, based on limited exposure it could be a thrifty move for a player that has performed well in part-time duty.

Rucker’s primary role will likely be as run defender – which he did well as. In fact, Rucker may have done better than well if he were only given more snaps. For 4-3 defensive ends, he finished the season with 31 stops (i.e. tackles for loss + sacks + solo tackles not downfield), good enough for 15th. But, let’s look closer at the top 15 stoppers (yes, I made that up) on a per snap basis.


Name Stops Snaps Snaps per stop
Jared Allen 46 1044 22.70
Terrell Suggs 44 953 21.66
Jason Pierre-Paul 43 971 22.58
Chris Clemons 36 952 26.44
Jabaal Sheard 36 970 26.94
James Hall 36 737 20.47
Israel Idonije 36 944 26.22
Jeremy Mincey 35 973 27.80
Andre Carter 34 753 22.15
Trent Cole 32 640 20.00
Elvis Dumervil 32 863 26.97
Cory Redding 31 510 16.45
Lamarr Houston 31 719 23.19
Greg Hardy 31 904 29.16
Frostee Rucker 30 447 14.90



Not too shabby from Rucker. That 14.9 snaps per stop clearly ranked first out of the top 15 stoppers. And with a quick eyeball test comparing snaps per stop of all 4-3 defensive ends, it looks to be the best. Obviously, he’s only playing part-time (so likely not facing many double teams) but Tom Heckert may have found himself a bargain in the Frostee Rucker. His 7 career sacks and 11 QB disruptions on 213 pass rushes in 2011 likely won’t benefit the teams need to get to the QB, but as a pure run-stopper the 28 year old out of USC may be getting overlooked by many.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/14/fantasy-frostee-rucker-run-stopping-extraordinaire/


Another reason to not accept stats as the be-all-end-all. You look at his stats from last season and they don't look all that great. But when you consider his total snaps at only 447 the he did a great job.


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Assault and vandalism for his most recent .... incident.



It was vandalism and false imprisonment.. and the "most recent" event was in 2005. But since you chose to phrase it that way, what was he convicted of for other previous events?

The more I read up on the guy the more I realize the disgust I have isn't as much about this guy as it is all of the morons with an opinion who feel obligated to write about him. I don't know what he did in his life and I'm pretty sure that some of it was pretty bad... but I've read comment after comment about how he raped a girl when he was 13 but was found not guity... and how he raped girls in college and how he beat his wife.... and there is comment after comment like that from righteous blogosphere bastards that can somehow divinely know when a person is guilty but got away with it...

Good grief whatever the guy has done has been through the courts and resolved and as far as I can tell he has been incident free for close to 7 years... but the extreme exaggerations and outright lies and misrepresentations of facts that I've seen on this website and 100 others over the last day are just amazing.


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I'm not all that forgiving of someone who has regularly committed violence against women.

I'm not going to change, and I'm not going to back down from that.

Personally I hope we find a guy who is 100 times better than him and he is cut before camp.

That's my prerogative.


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I'm not all that forgiving of someone who has regularly committed violence against women.




If by regularly you mean the one time he was convicted of vandalism and wrongful imprisnoment, then I can see your point.

All of your other "regularlies" are you taking one persons word over another for what happened.

I hope we find somebody who is 100 times better too... because that will make us better.

And I've never told you that you weren't entitled to feel however you want.


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Hey wait a minute-this isnt a guy who was accused ONE TIME of ONE THING...there is a common theme here...that doesnt make anybody here a moron for wanting to know something about his character!


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Another reason to not accept stats as the be-all-end-all. You look at his stats from last season and they don't look all that great. But when you consider his total snaps at only 447 the he did a great job.




Thanks for this more official proof of my thoughts...I already did this by simple deduction but I guess posters were too busy locking up their women so Frostee can't jump on them


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Hey wait a minute-this isnt a guy who was accused ONE TIME of ONE THING...there is a common theme here...that doesnt make anybody here a moron for wanting to know something about his character!




Or maybe some girls were found lying because they "heard" or knew about what Frostee supposedly did but was not convicted as a 13yo...sometimes stuff like that takes a life of his own...judges heard Frostee and the women and then he wasn't convicted....the NFL, who suspended Roethli even though not convicted, suspended Rucker exactly for 1 game for the vandalism/false imprisonment thing in 2007

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Or maybe some girls were found lying because they "heard" or knew about what Frostee supposedly did but was not convicted as a 13yo...sometimes stuff like that takes a life of his own...judges heard Frostee and the women and then he wasn't convicted....the NFL, who suspended Roethli even though not convicted, suspended Rucker exactly for 1 game for the vandalism/false imprisonment thing in 2007





Both women at CSU didn't testify against him, but he was let go for admittadly exposing himself to one of them. (From what I saw though, only one woman said she was sexually assaulted at CSU)

The Girl at USC was his g/f and had a witness for the alleged beating in August of whatever year. She didn't bring it up until 9 months later though which hurts her case.

Abuse in college is tricky though. How you are viewed is an important thing, and a lot of these girls probably didn't want to deal with the implications of getting Rucker in trouble.

I've seen it first hand. It's a really sad thing. Relationship violence usually stems out of insecurity on the victim's end. And the sexual assault thing, you're playing a he-said she-said game against a star football player on your college campus. As a female, it would be easy to think that plenty of students would have negative feelings toward you if she accused him. Not saying this would happen, but this mindset is easy to have. It's embarrassing too.

I can understand not wanting to go through with a trial staring at some creep who assaulted you.

The 13 and 11 thing is a total he-said she-said type of thing. Obviously something happened, he said it was concensual, she said it wasn't. Very tricky

But the pattern is there. I think it's too easy to say "These two girls from CSU saw that Frostee was accused of rape as a kid and so they went after him". Really? Is that what you think happened?

Because, while I'm not sure, I'm going with the pattern theory.


That being said, I do think he's probably a good player, and he hasn't gotten in trouble since college. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have a wife/gf who he does this too though. And I don't think that kind of violence can be easily changed.

May be he did change, but will I give him the benefit of the doubt? No. The guy's a creep in my book.
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That being said, I look at Bengal fan comments and they're upset that he wasn't re-signed. That makes me feel good. I get the feeling we're getting a good player.

But besides that, doesn't make me feel particularly good. I have no respect for violence towards women. And I'm not gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. This is just the difference between Heckert and Mangini though. Rucker could very well be a great "teammate" and "addition to the team", it just sucks having to cheer for a scumbag


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In the end, I am all for redemption. If the guy stays clean, I am good with it. Especially if he plays well.




Hey wait a minute-this isnt a guy who was accused ONE TIME of ONE THING...there is a common theme here...that doesnt make anybody here a moron for wanting to know something about his character!






There is no doubt in my mind there is something there. That said, in the end I believe in forgiveness and allowing a person to redeem their past actions.

When I first heard about it I wasn't thrilled, but in the end, I am good. It seems he has been a pretty good egg for a while now, so in my book, recent past history is more important than history much further back.

It works the same for first time screw-ups...I allow past history to tell me that maybe this was a one time thing.


So. We'll see. At this point it serves no real purpose to trash the guy in a ongoing manner. Yep, there was a history to his actions. There is also a history those actions have stopped. Either he has learned to control his temper, or he has learned to select women who know he can be pushed and know when to not push the guy. Maybe a little of both.

It's called learning from lessons past.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

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-The Browns new defensive end Frostee Rucker addressed the media via a conference call and talked about everything from why he came to Cleveland, his time with the Bengals, how he can help the browns’ run defense, and his past issues off the field.

Here are some quotes from the conference call:

Q. What made you sign in Cleveland?

A. “This was a no brainer. When I got in town, the organization and how it’s built and all the coaches that are on that staff and what they are trying to get to and the goals they are trying to reach, it was a no brainer. I want to be a part of something on the rise.”

Q. How much did playing time factor into the decision?

A. “It was a big factor in it. The thing we had going on in Cincinnati worked. As a player I have been waiting for the opportunity just to have more on my plate. A lot of people have already had their time and I just felt like it was my time to take control of it.”

Q. Will you be the starting right defensive end?

A. “They approached it with pretty much giving me the keys to the car and telling me that I’m the starting right end. I will probably be the oldest one on the line there and I want to help mature some of the younger guys.”

Q. How can you help with the run defense?

A. “I am a disciplined player…read you keys and be in the right position at the right time. It’s been trained and focused on for so many years that’s just what I’m bred to do. That’s one of the things I can help with.”

Q. What took so long to get to a starting role in the NFL?

A. “If you look at it that way then that means I don’t have a lot of miles on my legs and I have a big upside. It came with a lot of maturity.”

Q. How much time did you spend with Mike Holmgren in the recruiting process?

A. “I was in Mike’s office for about an hour and we sat there and had a heart-to-heart about football.”

Q. What was your view of the Browns from the other sideline?

A. “They were a scrappy group and both games came down to the wire and I was impressed.”

Q. What about the issues off the field you have had in the past?

A. “For the most part it is pretty much irrelevant. It was a long time ago and you just concentrate on putting yourself in a good position and I’m in a good place in my life right now. I’m not around any knuckleheads. I put those things behind me a long time ago.

Q. What do you think of colt McCoy?

A. “He is a tough player. He is an awesome player, a tough guy and if they build around him he can be a heck of a player.”

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Q. Will you be the starting right defensive end?

A. “They approached it with pretty much giving me the keys to the car and telling me that I’m the starting right end. I will probably be the oldest one on the line there and I want to help mature some of the younger guys.






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Q. How much did playing time factor into the decision?

A. “It was a big factor in it. The thing we had going on in Cincinnati worked. As a player I have been waiting for the opportunity just to have more on my plate. A lot of people have already had their time and I just felt like it was my time to take control of it.”

Q. Will you be the starting right defensive end?

A. “They approached it with pretty much giving me the keys to the car and telling me that I’m the starting right end. I will probably be the oldest one on the line there and I want to help mature some of the younger guys.”





6 years, 7.0 sacks, and they told him he'll be starting at RDE?

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Might not be bad. Let Benard be your 3rd down pass rusher.

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