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This is totally ridiculous. "We want Peyton back." - Heckert and Shurmur. Total BS. You paid an accused serial rapist more money to play backup LDE than you were willing to give Peyton as a starting RB... who, btw, played better than any other skill position player since your regime has been here over the last two years. Now we won't even get one of Heckert's precious compensatory 5th round picks because we paid a guy with a career total 7.0 sacks in 5 years $21 million over the next five to be the backup. Peyton said he wanted to stay in Cleveland and we let him walk. Lawrence Vickers wanted to stay in Cleveland and we let him walk. On the other side of the coin, we've got guys like Mario Manningham talking about how nobody wants to come to Cleveland. And you let a talented RB walk and take a $3 mil deal somewhere else? Peyton Hillis was a productive player when healthy. Ask the Ravens. Ask Shurmur how the offense was different when he was in there and running. OK, so now we're going to try to spend a third round pick to replace him with Ben Tate? Are you going to tell me Hillis only had one 1,100 yard season and has an injury history? Well, Ben Tate missed his entire rookie year with an injury and has never had a 1,000 yard season. And now we're going to try and spend a second-day pick on replacing Hillis with him. I want to say it's infuriating, but anymore I just don't care. I don't give a fart. This is stupid. I might go root for Buffalo.
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Sun, Mar 11, 2012 7:30 PM EDT Update: The Browns are expected to offer Hillis an incentive-rich contract, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports. Recommendation: Hillis will be able to test the market and determine how much he's worth before the Browns will make their offer. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports at one point the Browns offered Hillis a deal worth $16 million over the first three years. sports.yahoo.com Doesn't anyone remember this? Hillis turned it down as he was firing and hiring agents.
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I remember them offering him that during the season (which would qualify as "at one point.") I don't remember seeing anything about that since then.
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Some posters really are losing their minds... Rucker got 8mil guaranteed over 5years, which is nothing when you look at all those other contracts and hello? NOBODY WANTED HILLIS..1year? 3mil? Wake up, he is not who you thought he was 
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I think Ytown & Peen have finally went off the deep end.
We have gone off the deep end a long time ago. No more kiddie pool for us.
Your last few posts have been about YTBF and I going off the deep end and you being done with us.
Personally, I don't mind the you being done with me, but if you are going to keep making posts my way in a effort to garner some sort of reply, at least make a point other than talk smack.
I refuted your idiotic stance the Browns didn't go after RGIII and now you don't know what to do but throw insults around.
Go away.
Oh, quit trying to bring Mour in to it....we go a long ways back. He's a good guy who doesn't need you bringing him in to your battles. I have no clue if he agrees with you or agrees with me, but we go back a good way, so we are friends. If he disagrees with me, he will say so, but not because you called for help, and I sure as hell know he wouldn't tell me he is through with me.
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Good idea 
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I agree Steve...we just let good players walk for chump change.
Seriously, we don't deserve to win with leadership like this.
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Oh, get over yourself, man. I did not bring anybody into it. Mour choose to answer it. I have no desire to interfer with anybodys friends. You did not refute anything, all you have is She Said...He Said. It's all just speculation and you treat some of it like it's fact and it's not.
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Yea Peen we go back to geezz 2000? or 2001 Now you are completely wrong but what fun is debate if everyone agrees lol. I have literally despised every regime we have had except for this one. They make moves that I would make for the most part. All about scheme fit.
Delhomme was stupid, hated the Ward and Hardesty pick. Having Mitchell start at DE was about as Dumb as drafting William Green with a 1st round pick.
letting Peyton walk was the right thing to do. I just dont think you can have the face of the franchise being the guy thats one slip up shy of a straight jacket. The injury concerns, I mean the guy could not stay on the field and even when he was on the field he was usually at 80% at best.
Steiny wasn't the right fit for the OL scheme. If we were playing a Zone blocking scheme he would have a job.
Pashos was washed up before we signed him. That was a stupid move from the start.
Peen on RG3, we went from no interest to very little interest to afraid to give up our 22, to offering 3 firsts and 2nd, to we jumped in late with a big bid to very luke warm interest and offering. I just dont buy that we offered tht much, it isn't in their nature, these guys love draft picks to much.
Flynn was the guy that we had to have, we offered him a contract, bidding against the dolphins and Seahawks until well we showed zero interest. Things get blowed up and perception became media reality.
Rucker we added on the cheap and he provides depth. Good thing we dont have cheerleaders lol.
Heck I expected Steiny to be traded last year then he went on IR. Lets see how these positions are upgraded. Loved Watching Hillis but we need a durable upgrade. Steiny we have replaced. Pashos we can replace with a road cone.
WR money has been stupid. I would rather have Jeffery, Dwight Jones or Sanu in the 2nd round anyway. Garcon was a 2 mil a year at best receiver now dragging in 8.
We aren't winning beauty contests the way Savage attacked Free agency only to have it blow up in our faces. Looking for Gocong types. Cheap with great upside low risk guys.
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Oh, get over yourself, man. I did not bring anybody into it. Mour choose to answer it. I have no desire to interfer with anybodys friends. You did not refute anything, all you have is She Said...He Said. It's all just speculation and you treat some of it like it's fact and it's not.
And you treat it like it is simply make believe.
Like I said, if you aren't going away, put me on ignore if you are done with me.
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I agree Steve...we just let good players walk for chump change.
Seriously, we don't deserve to win with leadership like this.
So they can't even win with you if they turn the Browns into a winner?
I would have liked to see Hillis stay as well, but I think it was pretty obvious he didn't want to be here.
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We do go back.
I agree about Steiny....he was ok, but maybe the most overrated since Verba.
We'll see about the regime. I have my serious doubts.
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I agree Steve...we just let good players walk for chump change.
Seriously, we don't deserve to win with leadership like this.
For me it just signals if the Browns don't acquire Tate (rumor) or Tolbert/Bush it means the Browns will be drafting Trent Richardson.
1. You can make the case that Richardson is the most talented player in the draft and best RB prospect since AP.
2. Browns defense was respectable last year and the offense was god awful. Everyone in the NFL knows the Browns need playmakers and Richardson is surely that.
3. The talent drop off from Richardson to Miller is no way near the drop off of Talent from Blackmon to Hill, Wright, Sanu..etc. If I am drafting a top 4 WR he better be Megatron, Fitz. or Andre Johnson. Not a poor man's T.O.
4. Hardesty, Jackson are the leading candidates at this moment...obviously this needs to be upgraded.
Unless the Browns acquire Ben Tate it'll be Trent Richardson at 4
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This is very dissapointing and one of the first moves I question the leadership for............
Why trade for Ben Tate when we already had a RB here.
I mean 3 million dollars? You've gotta be kidding me. How much are we spending this year on Frostee Rucker? We can sign that guy (who's a jerk!) and we can't sign Hillis.
We just cut Steinbach to save money. Who are we spending money on?
Good teams don't just let their talent go by. I'd like some sort of explanation for why we let our best offensive player go to a team on a 1 year 3 million contract
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I have to disagree with this.
We signed him to a 5 years deal worth $21 million, including $8 million in guarantees.
Now, what do we get for that investment?
Obviously a ton of character concerns, but let's lay those aside.
What do we get on the football field?
We get a DE who had had a 6 year career, 5 of which he has played on the field.
In those 5 years, he had amassed a grand total of 108 tackles and 7 sacks.
Last year he had 44 tackles and 4 sacks.
Jayme Mitchell, who everyone derided, had 34 tackles and 1.5 sacks last year. That's better than the average Rucker year. Brian Schaefering had 29 tackles and 1/2 sack. neither guy costs anywhere near what Rucker costs.
Further, if he is a character problem type of guy, he just had his "big" year in a contract year. There has been no other year that he has been anything but an afterthought. In 2010 he had 17 tackles and 1 sack in 9 games active. The year before he had tackles and 1 sack in games active. Last year was the first year he even played in all 16 games. The previous high was 12 in 2009. We gave this guy $8 million in guarantees. I don't get it. I wouldn't have guaranteed 1 dollar.
To me he is a high risk, low reward type of player.
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JC. I had what I thought was a great post all typed up twice and I saved it. Then my internet locked up, restart and I could not get back on dawgtalkers. Bleargh! Anywhoos. I will just say. Not happy. Why make more holes to fill? We had legit starters. Make sense of it for me please. I do not believe you replace a 1,000 rusher willy nilly. Niether do I believe Steinbach is an easy replace. Other released players are arguable depending on your alliegences. 
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If they thought he was a head case they will never say that publicly. We have no idea what he was like in the lockerroom.
Couple that with the fact that their initial offer, in October, that he turned down while he was dropping agents like so many used kleenex, was more than that and I get the feeling he didn't really want to stay. And I don't think they are weeping in Berea because he's gone.
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Does anyone really remember what happened last year with him or are you all thinking of 2010?
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If they thought he was a head case they will never say that publicly. We have no idea what he was like in the lockerroom.
Couple that with the fact that their initial offer, in October, that he turned down while he was dropping agents like so many used kleenex, was more than that and I get the feeling he didn't really want to stay. And I don't think they are weeping in Berea because he's gone.
Still pisses me off to see a guy who scored like 12 TD's for us two years ago hit the bricks.
I'd like to know what happened (obviously), but our offense looks very weak right now. We've signed no FA's (as usual), just Frostee Rucker. I just wonder, where is this cap space going?
Why aren't we signing Mike Adams, why aren't we signing Dimitri Patterson?
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I agree.
And that's a problem.
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This is very dissapointing and one of the first moves I question the leadership for............
Why trade for Ben Tate when we already had a RB here.
I mean 3 million dollars? You've gotta be kidding me. How much are we spending this year on Frostee Rucker? We can sign that guy (who's a jerk!) and we can't sign Hillis.
We just cut Steinbach to save money. Who are we spending money on?
Good teams don't just let their talent go by. I'd like some sort of explanation for why we let our best offensive player go to a team on a 1 year 3 million contract
Who says Hillis wanted to stay? I can't say one way or another, but I thought it was pretty obvious that Hillis didn't want to be here anymore.
Move on and find another runningback.
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Who says Hillis wanted to stay? I can't say one way or another, but I thought it was pretty obvious that Hillis didn't want to be here anymore.
Move on and find another runningback.
Well why do our players not want to stay here if that's the case?
The news articles said he wanted to stay. May be they're lying or something, but no team gets better by letting their FA's walk.
I mean look at it like this
Out) Hillis
In) Frostee Rucker
Looks like an inbalance to me. He's the starting RB here, what is making him want to leave?
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Rucker played 447 snaps last seson and had 44 tackles and 4 sacks, averaging a tackle every 10th snap, which is pretty good for a DE, showing that he's a good run stuffer...wasn't that a need? Playing the run better from the DE position? He also averaged a sack per 110 snaps, a starting DE plays 40-50 snaps a game if not more, so he obviously was in a rotation and my guess would be that he accumulated those sacks despite having the majority of his snaps in early downs...overall, that's not great but decent for a SDE...and that's what he is: a run stuffing SDE that maybe can slide over to DT on passing downs....if he helps keep Sheard and whichever rook we'll draft fresh he has done his job
and DEs get more money than RBs...that should not be newsworthy...there's the "value" concept again some of you just will never get
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Never seen so many people in my entire life get upset when a mediocre RB left. But, he was a good ol' country boy who some people got too attached to and were clearly wanting to overlook bad qualities and inflated ego so we could keep him.
you had a good run Hank.
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yeah mediocre RB's make the madden cover all the time He had issues last year for sure, but I think more of that was attributed to the horrible communication and handling of it by the FO...I am not impressed with this FO thus far..but I am somewhat optimistic given holmgren rep that they are doing the right things, but I think so far in their tenure they've done more bad than good.. I believe they need a tremendous offseason this year along with atleast a .500 or better record or I believe their seats will be getting warmer
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They do, actually. Remember Vince Young? Besides, it was a fan vote. He didn't win because he was good. He won because of the fans.
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Really?
He sat out a game because he had a sore throat after his agent told him to sit out. When he came back, he ran with no power or vision. He ran awful for 90% of the year.
I would have liked him back, but since he wasn't willing to commit to the team, then screw him. Go sign a good back, there are plenty out there that could replace his production rather easily.
you had a good run Hank.
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Here some more fun stats
Rucker is 28 yrs old,he has been accused of raping 4 women,that's 1 every 7 years.
Even better,he's only been accused of beating one women,that's 1 every 28 years.
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Rucker is 28 yrs old,he has been accused of raping 4 women,that's 1 every 7 years.
Even better,he's only been accused of beating one women,that's 1 every 28 years.
More fun stats he's never been convicted.
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More fun stats he's never been convicted.
Yet, how many people has Colt McCoy been accused of raping/beating?
How about D'Qwell Jackson? Sheldon Brown? Mike Adams? Ben Watson? Joe Thomas? These guys I mentioned are all known NFL players.
Why does this accused pattern of behavior follow Rucker, yet not follow some of our other guys?
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Yet, how many people has Colt McCoy been accused of raping/beating?
How about D'Qwell Jackson? Sheldon Brown? Mike Adams? Ben Watson? Joe Thomas? These guys I mentioned are all known NFL players.
Why does this accused pattern of behavior follow Rucker, yet not follow some of our other guys?
Because some guys cannot control themselves around women who are literally throwing themselves at the popular guys?
This witch hunt is ridiculous.
you had a good run Hank.
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More fun stats he's never been convicted.
Yet, how many people has Colt McCoy been accused of raping/beating?
How about D'Qwell Jackson? Sheldon Brown? Mike Adams? Ben Watson? Joe Thomas? These guys I mentioned are all known NFL players.
Why does this accused pattern of behavior follow Rucker, yet not follow some of our other guys?
Because some guys cannot control themselves around women who are literally throwing themselves at the popular guys?
This witch hunt is ridiculous.
A women gets raped,she must have asked for it,huh?
Wow,and I thought I was a rednecked a-whole.
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Yet, how many people has Colt McCoy been accused of raping/beating?
How about D'Qwell Jackson? Sheldon Brown? Mike Adams? Ben Watson? Joe Thomas? These guys I mentioned are all known NFL players.
Why does this accused pattern of behavior follow Rucker, yet not follow some of our other guys?
Because some guys cannot control themselves around women who are literally throwing themselves at the popular guys?
This witch hunt is ridiculous.
A women gets raped,she must have asked for it,huh?
Wow,and I thought I was a rednecked a-whole.
That's not what I said.
When a guy is surrounded by women who are easy for him, he just expects women to always want him. Maybe he assumed someone was wanting sex and she didn't?
I don't know, but I think it's unfair to judge a guy's character from what he did in college.
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I strongly disagree
This country has senior citizens in prison right now for crimes they committed when they were 18.
Raping someone is know joke. Beating a woman, no joke either.
I hold pµople to a set of standards that shouldn't be very hard to follow.
Look at some of the things you said, "When a guy is surrounded by women who are easy for him, he just expects women to always want him. Maybe he assumed someone was wanting sex and she didn't?"
Are you kidding me? What if that was your daughter, would you accept that as an explanation. "I just assumed she wanted sex" No means no.
Creeps are creeps bigbaddawg. Sure, people get older and they mature, but some things are just too much.
I don't like scum bags on my team. I didn't like Cosey Coleman when he played here, I don't like Frostee Rucker playing here.
And who the hell pulls their penis out in a classroom?
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Meh, whatever.
If he is good, then who cares? He wasn't convicted and sent to prison, thus whatever. I don't care if the guy is a choir boy or this, I just want to win. If he can help us win, then I don't care about him as a person.
To be fair, I don't care about McCoy the person or Josh Cribbs the person either. If it doesn't effect the play on the field, then I don't really care.
you had a good run Hank.
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JK....
I have several reasons why I am skeptical of this FO, but cutting an overrated nut job like Hillis isn't one of them. This was the right move, and we should have gotten an upgrade last year. He isn't durable enough to be a feature back, and he was a cancer in the locker room this year. As Mour said, his own teammates had to have a meeting with him and were fed up with the drama.
This FO has done a lot of stupid things, but cutting this nut job was actually pretty smart and definitely the right thing to do.
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We should trade any RB that has a good year for us. Think about how many backs have had 1 good season for us since 99 and then blew chunks the next.
Green
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I know I am leaving someone off.
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Hillis is the man, I wish him luck.
agreed
I am with Peen...I am beginning to think this FO is a joke...I am definitly seeing why Andy Reid let Heckert leave...because Heckert IS a joke....The EAgles haven't missed Heckert at all....if Heckert was "oh so great" Reid would have never let him leave....Any Reid has final say on ALL MOIVES in Philly...Heckert was nothing more then a glorified scout....Reid built that team in Philly...not Heckert....Reid designed the plan, Reid controlled the direction...All Heckert done was help by doing what he was told...just like Parcells ran the show everywhere he was.
most forget Holmgren drafting is Seattle was terrible....and Holmgren being a Qb guru? HA....the only Qb Holmgren has had that were good were Hasselbeck and Farve (Both of whom were aquired by Ron Wolf) Ron Wolf picked both of those guys, not Holmgren...it was more Ron Wolf then Holmgren when it comes to finding a QB who was any good....your forgetting Holmgren actualy gave us a draft pick for charlie frye, and actually gave Jake Delhomme a bunch of money LOL! 
This FO is a joke....and no Fa are going to want to come here until this team (especially our absentee non-caring owner) actaully starts showing that they are truely commitied to fielding a winning team....As it stands Lerner does not care....handing someone a blank check and telling them to do whatever they want is NOT caring about your team....
You look at owners like Kraft, The Biscotti's, The Rooney's, etc...those owners actually care about their team unlike Jr.....
As long as Jr. continues to not care...i don't care who he hires this team will not win....a winning franchise is built from the TOP DOWN...if your owner doesn't care/isn't around...you can't expect the res tof the foundation to be built.
As it stands right now...if H&H can't post a 8-8 or 7-9 season this coming year, then they need to be gone...they ahve been here 3 years....its time to show something...
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