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I think if Tannehill falls out of the top 10, heck maybe even the top 15, we might look at trading up to get him. But, I think he'll be gone by then, and I doubt we're going to take him at 4.
If Weeden is sitting there in the 3rd, we might take him. But even then it's iffy at best.
I think that unless Tannehill falls into our laps at 22 (or close to it), we're sticking with Colt this year, especially if we can add a top tier WR and RB. Then he has no excuses left.
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Why not Manningham and Blackmon? Be a nice set of weapons for Bradford. Couple that with Jackson at RB and on paper that's a pretty good offense.
Because Manningham already said that he won't come to the Browns.
I wasn't saying to the Browns; I was referring to 79's comment about Manningham visiting the Rams. I know he likely would not come to the Browns.
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Did the receiver run the correct route...and run it correctly?
Did the receiver make the right/sight adjustments to the route?
Did the receiver see the blitz coming?
Did the receiver always catch the balls that hit him dead square in the hands?
Did we cut our starting WR in mid-season because he was simply that awful? What does that say about every other receiver who got to STAY on the team? Capable? Who? Good Lord...we cut our 2nd best guy...cut him...in mid season.
Did we have a rookie as our best receiver? Who played...no wait...did not play...football the prior year...anywhere.
Did we have an OL that gave the QB the time and confidence to go thru his progressions?
Did we really have the RBs I saw on the field whenever Hillis was out?
On the rare occassion that Colt had the time to make a play...and the receiver actually caught the ball...he made some good things happen...he also made many head-scratchers.
Has Colt EVER been a potential starting QB while in a training camp?
Did the Browns actually install a brand new, complicated offense with no training camp?
Ours is a situation without equal in the league...perhaps even in NFL history. No one knows if Colt is a viable starter or not.
The good things he did may be 'flashes in the pan' and the bad things that he did may be reasonably tributed to numerous...NUMEROUS...other, unprecedented/compounded issues.
Of course they tried to upgrade the position. That's what they are supposed to do. They do not know for sure...and neither do we...whether Colt can be the guy.
We do not have a receiver on our team who would get any appreciable playing time on any team in our division...the only one who might actually get on the field for another team in our division was a rookie/RB/out-of-football-the-year-before guy.
No one knows for sure if Colt can be the guy...but if they replace him or keep him...they better get some players around the QB and get the offense installed and everyone up to speed.
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I don't think that just because the Browns made a huge attempt to land one of the two premier QB's in this draft that this automatically means that they want ANY QB not named Colt McCoy to be our starter. Let' say you've got a girlfriend. She an average looker and a nice girl. You get along well. Then on day a hot babe with all the right attributes, (if you know what I mean  ), flirts with you in a way that is very tempting. So you make a big play for her but are spurned. That doesn't automatically mean that you are now desperate to find ANY girl who ain't yer current squeeze to take to the big dance. Now if you hate your girlfriend, can't get along with her and she looks like GMdawg on steroids and farts even more*, well, then you may go for just any upgrade to be rid of her. I don't think the FO is at that point with McCoy. It's just that Drafting 101 says that if you don't currently have a franchise QB on the roster with ALL the tools then you take one if you think you've found one and you can get him. No brainer. But it doesn't mean you marginally upgrade the position unless your current guy is so Gawd awful there's no point in dragging this on. Like Holmgren said, it took them 5 years to find the QB in Seattle. I hope it doesn't take that long here. But in the short meantime McCoy can win some games and develop into a great backup, if nothing else, while the team learns the ins and outs of the WCO and the FO continues their search for the Golden Boy. Otherwise go out and sign a WCO veteran like Hasstleback or McNabb or equivalent to help the team learn the 'O' while you search for your QB. *I realize this is an impossible task but I only exaggerated the possibility for effect. 
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Those were two great posts Willie. Problem is many will consider your lists of realities to be nothing more than "excuses" based mainly on the fact that they are tired of losing.
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Green has fantastic hands. Blackmon has a bit of inconsistency regarding his hands.
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No doubt Green was a better prospect overall, but if I had the choice of Blackmon or Julio Jones ... I would chose Blackmon, but as it worked out that he returned to school and I liked the trade with Atlanta for our 6th selection and we stand a pretty good chance to Draft Blackmon at #4 this year, so It couldn't have worked out better if we get him this year imo.
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1a. Justin Blackmon - WR
1b. Cordy Glenn - G
2. Chase Minnifield - CB
3. Mitchell Schwartz - T
4a. Robert Turbin - HB
I think Blackmon is the best in this draft but would be a #20 pick in other years.
I think Minny is overrated simply because he is a legacy.
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I don't think Blackmon is what this offense needs. Isn't Little a poor man's Blackmon? More of an Anquan Boldin type. We need a burner. Why draft a guy with the same skill set even if it's a little better?
Every time I see Blackmon play, he's breaking tackles then running away from guys. He ran a 4.46 40. I think he's more Terrell Owens than Anquan Boldin. I haven't really seen him be a jump-ball guy... he seems to prefer to wall off his defenders with body positioning than to just beat them up high. He does haev the occasional drop, but he also has a knack for turning what should be a 7 yard slant into a 20-30 yard gain. He gets more separation than I had expected him to get, too. In other words, until we get a QB who is going to throw the ball 40 yards downfield accurately, I think he's exactly what this offense needs.
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I agree with this. I watched Virginia v. Miami a week ago or so and he seemed overmatched for most of the time. He looks smaller on the field than he's listed, but then Miami has really big receivers. He didn't seem like a guy you get in the second.
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However, if you are in love with your girlfriend you don't throw 3 or 4 rings at another woman. Fact if that the Browns tried like hell to get an elite talent at QB, and they will continue to do so. They may even settle for a secondary talent, like Weeden, with a high draft pick. Maybe they even overdraft a guy like Tannehill. If they do any of these things, what does that then tell you? Quote:
It's just that Drafting 101 says that if you don't currently have a franchise QB on the roster with ALL the tools then you take one if you think you've found one and you can get him. No brainer.
I do agree with this statement. I think that the worst thing that can happen to a team is to get stuck with a guy who is "pretty decent", but not really outstanding at anything at all. It's easy for a team to do. "We have all of these needs .... and our QB is "OK" ........."
That's when regimes fall apart.
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Would anyone be opposed to this?
1a. Justin Blackmon - WR
1b. Cordy Glenn - G
2. Chase Minnifield - CB
3. Mitchell Schwartz - T
4a. Robert Turbin - HB
I think Blackmon is the best in this draft but would be a #20 pick in other years.
I think Minny is overrated simply because he is a legacy.
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Going off the Scouts inc rankings (taking players below the pick number):
4 - Morris Claiborne, CB
22 - Jonathan Martin, RT
37 - Alshon Jeffery, WR (though I'd want to see his 40) - Could also think about Stephen Hill (if I saw his route running) here, or Lavonte David (and then Sanu at 68). This is the hardest choice for me.
68 - Bobby Wagner, ILB - I think can switch to OLB seamlessly
4a - Robert Turbin, RB - Haven't watched a lot of him yet though
4b - Olivier Vernon, DE - Great run stopper at DE
5 - T.Y. Hilton, WR
Don't have a good feeling for picks I like under that.
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I hate the Jeffrey pick. He strikes me as the JaMarcus Russel of WRs. I have a feeling that he is gonna get paid, and then blow up to 275#. It won't be muscle either. He's got talent, but I worry about talented guys who lack a work ethic, and who can't stay in shape.
I think that Heckert has shown that he can find 2 types of players deeper in a draft than one might expect ..... pass rushers and linemen. I would be stunned to see us go G, RT, (LT would be another story entirely) C, or DE in the first round. Maybe I'm wrong ..... but I just don't think that Heckert looks at those type of guys as having 1st round value. I would almost add RB to that list, and would under most circumstances. However, I think that this year is a special circumstances type of year, and I think that a great RB will help us win a few games, and help people keep their jobs.
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I hate the Jeffrey pick. He strikes me as the JaMarcus Russel of WRs. I have a feeling that he is gonna get paid, and then blow up to 275#. It won't be muscle either. He's got talent, but I worry about talented guys who lack a work ethic, and who can't stay in shape.
I think that Heckert has shown that he can find 2 types of players deeper in a draft than one might expect ..... pass rushers and linemen. I would be stunned to see us go G, RT, (LT would be another story entirely) C, or DE in the first round. Maybe I'm wrong ..... but I just don't think that Heckert looks at those type of guys as having 1st round value. I would almost add RB to that list, and would under most circumstances. However, I think that this year is a special circumstances type of year, and I think that a great RB will help us win a few games, and help people keep their jobs.
1.) He weighed in at 216 at the combine - so far everybody is still going off one picture (with pads on) where he "looks fat" - ridiculous.
2.) He has the best hands in this draft - and maybe the best hands in the last 5 drafts - put that along with his size/strength combo, and he is going to catch some footballs (call him a TE who spreads out wide for all I care - he's got that sort of skillset).
3.) For all the concerns about his top end speed - Jeffery makes catches deep very regularly. In 7/13 games this year he had a reception of more than 20 yards. With a decent QB in 2010 that was 11/14 games. Astoundingly, he had a reception for more than 40 yards in 8/14 games in 2010. Dude can get deep.
4.) He had the worst QB in the nation throwing to him last year. If it's ok that Blackmon freaks out when Brandon Weedon isn't getting him the ball effectively, then Jeffery is a saint for not going on a rampage.
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Didn't he play last year at significantly more than that? (for almost the entire year?)
That worries me. He has talent, but if I am a team, I better be 100% sold on his commitment to be in shape and work every day to be the best he can be. With some players a team might not even question this ....... but with Jeffreys, I think that they have to be concerned that they check him out 100% in this regard.
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I don't think Blackmon is what this offense needs. Isn't Little a poor man's Blackmon? More of an Anquan Boldin type. We need a burner. Why draft a guy with the same skill set even if it's a little better?
Every time I see Blackmon play, he's breaking tackles then running away from guys. He ran a 4.46 40. I think he's more Terrell Owens than Anquan Boldin. I haven't really seen him be a jump-ball guy... he seems to prefer to wall off his defenders with body positioning than to just beat them up high. He does haev the occasional drop, but he also has a knack for turning what should be a 7 yard slant into a 20-30 yard gain. He gets more separation than I had expected him to get, too. In other words, until we get a QB who is going to throw the ball 40 yards downfield accurately, I think he's exactly what this offense needs.
Actually he high points the ball very well and he has the innate or natural ability to go for the ball at the right moment in time (something that can't be coached). There is plenty of evidence out there of this.
That's why myself and others say that he plays bigger then his 6'1" stature would have you believe.
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As long as we don't draft Tannehill before #37, I don't really see a scenario (besides something super random/out of left field) that makes me go "..Really?"
I think we're primed to take some talent that will help immediately. And even if we trade down, Everything should be good...
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And I think that the word "immediately" is the key.
I would be stunned if we take a guy who doesn't start day 1 in the 1st. Just listening to Holmgren's and Heckert's comments, it seems like they know that they need a pair of guys who will contribute in a big way from day 1. We might see the same thing in the 2nd as well, which might mean that we don't look at a QB until the 3rd. (although I have this feeling that we're going to take Weeden in the 2nd)
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As long as we don't draft Tannehill before #37, I don't really see a scenario (besides something super random/out of left field) that makes me go "..Really?"
What about Coples at 4 and Gilmore at 22? 
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However, if you are in love with your girlfriend you don't throw 3 or 4 rings at another woman.
Fact if that the Browns tried like hell to get an elite talent at QB, and they will continue to do so.
True on both statements. I never said you are in love with her. If you are then you don't even look at another.
If you're not all that infatuated then you might make the move and if it doesn't work will likely keep looking. But to hook up exclusively with one you hope might, possibly be a marginal upgrade indicates you just like variety. 
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That tells me they're doing more than bringing in competition. They're counting on the new guy to win the spot eventually. If they overdraft to a first round degree then I think they are desperate for a change.
But overdrafting is a problem with me. Overdrafting is just what it implies, that you hope he will be much better than you think he will be just because you need him to be. That's something that typically results in wasted draft picks. In the case of a starting QB it also means wasted time.
If were in the middle of wasting time with our current QB then why start the whole time-wasting process all over again with another waste? If they're going to upgrade with an overdraft of a first round magnitude then they must be sure of themselves that is a quality upgrade that will make a difference far sooner than later.
I think you mistake my comments for one who doesn't want to upgrade the QB position because I've defended Colt on several occasions. I've defended Colt when I hear exaggerated claims of how bad he is and because I do believe he can be much better than he's shown last season with a chance to learn this system before he has to go out and perform it in regular season games. He was learning one of the most complicated offenses on the fly with his teammates doing the same.
I also fee the surrounding talent should get the same chance of some preparation before the games begin and I believe some upgrading needs to be done there as well.
See, you and I had discussions very early in the season regarding the importance of the offseason workouts. At that time you didn't think them all that important (it's only a couple of weeks) whereas I felt them of utmost importance. As Shurmur said at season's end when asked about it, in the offseason you install your schemes so that when you get to the start of training camp it's the second time the players are going through it.
They have all the time in between to think about what they've learned and to work on it with their playbooks. "Camp Colt" is no substitute for coaching. Hell, Colt didn't know it himself. How was he going to install THAT offense? The most it did, and it had value, was to bond with each other and to throw the ball around.
Also in the offseason you get a chance to evaluate the players so that you go into the first day of training camp with, at minimum, a penciled-in depth chart so you can begin at the beginning. That had to be done in the first week or so of training camp as the head coach and much of the staff met their players for the first time. They did not have the previous years depth chart to go by.
That takes time away from what they would typically do the first week of camp. So it squeezed training camp into 2-1/2 or 3 weeks to install everything for the first time when they'd normally have 4 weeks to install it for the second time with the players having had a lot of the offseason to work on it on their own.
The fact is they never had a chance.
This gets overlooked in my opinion and the proof of the offseason's necessity was in the pudding. These guys were the Bad News Bears who came into the games with no practice all while lacking talent.
Sure, everyone else was in the same boat but everyone else hadn't changed so much of their coaching staff and all their schemes.
I believe the improvement will be impressive this coming season. They've all had a full season of bungling and stumbling through learning the system on the fly; trying to look like a team during the games.
In hindsight, (mine not theirs), it could have been the best thing to happen to them in the long run. Nothing creates improvement more than the pressure of having to perform.
(Clem?)
If we could have gotten Luck or RGlll I'd have had no problem with moving Colt down the depth chart or even trading him. Their skill sets and upsides are just too far above Colt's to be stubborn about making a change. But the drop-off after those two is so far that to reach for any of them in the first round would be an act of pure desperation and I don't think we're there.
Now that the two big guys are gone I'm all for giving Colt time and helping him out. I mean, what else are you going to do? Bring in one of the lesser of multiple evils from FA just to do something? Another dead end move.
I'm also good with drafting a QB at his draft slot according to his talent. A second or third round prospect drafted in the first would be equivalent to having drafted Colt at #4 or #22 overall. We'd have to play him right away to validate the investment so would be right where we are now only at a much higher cost. I'd rather use the pick to bring in a player who could really help the team immediately.
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If you're ganna do that, put RG3 on the Colts paper, Tannehill on Washingtons...
I think you can figure out the rest
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I'll leave the Colts alone .... because if I can only have 2 .... then the Skins get Burfict, and the Vikings get Blackmon. (just to really screw with the Rams)
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I've just noticed, that they did say they weren't going to make a "splash" the way they've went about FA has done something..
We haven't tipped our hand in the draft (beyond the RG3 trade) ANY direction as it results in FA signings...
If we brought in Flynn, obviously we won't go QB.
If we bring in a guy like Carr or even Aaron Ross, we're less likely to take Claiborne.
If we signed Michael Bush (or brought back Hillis) we would be less likely to draft Richardson.
Hell only signing Cousins leaves us open to take Kalil.
We've effectively made it so that almost no matter who is there at 4, they fit as BPA AND a Need...
I'm ok with that...
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Your right about that..  Makes a lot of sense to me. Don't sign anyone of significance to keep all the other teams guessing on who we take in the draft. Then in MAY, we can sign whatever is left over in FA that we missed on during the draft. Great plan Mike..you'll fool em !
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The only thing that worries me about the Browns approach to free agency is this:
We've lost guys like Hillis, Adams, Steinbach, Mitchell (granted, not a big loss) but we've only added 2 DE who will play the same side in rotation.
That's 4 guys lost who have started for us, and we've replaced those 4 former starters with 1 starter.
That means that to stay somewhat "status quo", we need to find 2 starters for certain in the draft ....... because right now we have no one to replace Hillis or Adams, and we're still going to need an OL to replace Steinbach.(although probably a backup guy at this point) With the picks we have, 2 starters should not be a problem, but if we are going to go through each year weakening 2 positions just to strengthen maybe 3-4, it's gonna take a really, really long time to turn this mess around.
I understand that we have hopes that guys we have drafted in the past will now be ready to step in, but we have a gaping, sucking chest wound at S right now. S might make our RB position look good by comparison. We have no RT on the roster right now. We need help at WR. We need backups on the DL. We need LB help in the worst way, and we're probably going to have to replace Brown at some point. (although maybe he moves to S for a couple of years)
I just don't see how we can continue to subtract as much as we add and get better. Sooner or later we'll start losing guys worth a damn because they now sign 4 years deal and hit UFA whereas they used to sign 5-7 year deals. I know that there's not a ton of help available in free agency, but it seems to me that we needs to look a little harder in this area than we have done so far.
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I think these guys take building through the draft a little too seriously.
No doubt that is the biggest part of the process, but you can't have blinders on and ignore the FA process. Nearly all of the players available are as good as having extra 3rd round picks. All are proven players who can help a team. Especially a crappy team like the Browns.
I am disappointed we haven't been front and center in trying to get some of the better FA O-linemen. It makes no sense to me.
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37 - Alshon Jeffery, WR (though I'd want to see his 40)
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I think these guys take building through the draft a little too seriously.
peen...whether fans think build through the draft is a good strategy or not, we can't say we were not told that this front office would rebuild via the draft.
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I am disappointed we haven't been front and center in trying to get some of the better FA O-linemen. It makes no sense to me.
peen...it seems this front office is not big on the one and done method of building the roster. What I mean is, they seem to give their young prospects more than just one year to prove themselves before moving on to find someone better.
If you are a young player, looking for a chance to prove yourself, the Browns have to be one of the most desirable places to land. If you are a draft pick of the Browns, you are going to get a fair shot to prove yourself.
For example, Hardesty and Lauvao might be causalities of the free agent process had they not been with the Browns. As of now, it appears that both will be given another year to prove themselves.
Granted, the patience the front office is showing with young players today is subject to change at anytime depending on the situation and who the free agent might be.
Also, this front office seems to be determined, NOT to overpay for free agent talent. As most know, in the past the Browns have been free spenders in free agency to get free agents to sign on with the Browns.
It should be noted, the free agent period is long, with players being added to the list all the way up to the last cuts to get down to the 53 man limit. There will be some good players added to the free agent lists once the last cuts are made.
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I think these guys take building through the draft a little too seriously.
peen...whether fans think build through the draft is a good strategy or not, we can't say we were not told that this front office would rebuild via the draft.
And that's where I stopped reading.
Because you obviously correlate "Building through the Draft" to mean "Ignoring Free Agency"
If you say on average, you get 3-4 starters PER draft.
It would take you 7 YEARS to build a starting roster "through the draft"
So can we cut this crap out about ignoring free agency...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Because you obviously correlate "Building through the Draft" to mean "Ignoring Free Agency"
os...it is your choice to stop reading and "assume"... 
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Because you obviously correlate "Building through the Draft" to mean "Ignoring Free Agency"
os...it is your choice to stop reading and "assume"...
The only reason I got that far was because the post started with orange instead of khaki...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Because you obviously correlate "Building through the Draft" to mean "Ignoring Free Agency"
os...it is your choice to stop reading and "assume"...
The only reason I got that far was because the post started with orange instead of khaki...
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I would say screw it and go all in on some playmakers. I get some guys here that will help a stagnent offense and keep teams on their toes. Getting these core guys will help Colt this year and if he doesn't show the improvement this year then they will have a year in for the next QB. Five possibly 6 day 1 starters and contributors. Yeah, it's a stretch but fun to think about.
4)Blackmon
15)Richardson(trade 22 and 68 to the Eagles)
37)Alshon Jeffrey
88)Lamichael James(Trade 100 and 118 to the Donks)
114)Vontaze Burfict (trade 131 and 165 to Eagles)
195)Levy Adcock
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I would say screw it and go all in on some playmakers. I get some guys here that will help a stagnent offense and keep teams on their toes. Getting these core guys will help Colt this year and if he doesn't show the improvement this year then they will have a year in for the next QB. Five possibly 6 day 1 starters and contributors. Yeah, it's a stretch but fun to think about.
4)Blackmon
15)Richardson(trade 22 and 68 to the Eagles)
37)Alshon Jeffrey
88)Lamichael James(Trade 100 and 118 to the Donks)
114)Vontaze Burfict (trade 131 and 165 to Eagles)
195)Levy Adcock
I Like that to a point, I'd rather trade back with the 4 than up with the 22.
The thought of dropping to 8 (If Miami wants Tannehill) and taking Richardson.
Then taking the best DE/WR combo at 22 and 37
I REALLY like LeMichael James, but I think we need a #1 back more than a change of pace (unless Heckerts going all in on Hardesty) (Plus Haden already has #23 so we can't give that to L. James )
I've always been a fan of grabbing Adcock, and if we can get him in the 4th I'm all for it.
And while some don't even want to touch Burfict, I think he's got enough talent to warrent a late round flyer...
So mine would look like
1a Richardson
1b Mercilus
2 Jeffery
3 James
4 Adcock
4 Burfict
5-6 Late round QB, DBs etc
Add in whatever we'd get from the trade down and I'd be ecstatic with that draft...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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...we have a gaping, sucking chest wound at S right now. S might make our RB position look good by comparison.
I wonder if the intention is to move Brown to safety.
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I just don't see how we can continue to subtract as much as we add and get better.
Didn't Heckert wipe out our DL leaving us with Rubin as the only DL with any real game experience? All we had behind Rubin was backups with little experience. I remember thinking how will he fill the DL in one lousy draft? He drafted Taylor and Sheard while gambling on Mitchell and lo and behold we had a better DL than previously. Now he's replaced Mitchell so the line should be at least marginally better than last year.
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We need help at WR. We need backups on the DL. We need LB help in the worst way, and we're probably going to have to replace Brown at some point. (although maybe he moves to S for a couple of years)
So if they move Brown that leaves RT, WR, LB, RB and DL backups. I think RB is easy to replace. Same with RT as I believe they have their eye on one or two who can step in early. (Wondering if that's why they weren't willing to part with the 22 pick to trade up for RGlll), DL backups is always easy. There should be a WR or two or three they like and should be able to land one of them. LB I don't know anything about.
It doesn't look easy to me overall. It takes a lot of confidence on Heckert's part that he believe he knows what he's doing. I hope he does.
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We've lost guys like Hillis, Adams, Steinbach, Mitchell (granted, not a big loss) but we've only added 2 DE who will play the same side in rotation.
If free agency was over, if we didn't have the draft coming up, if we didn't know that cuts will be made in June, if there wasn't an UDFA signing period,, I"d be concerned.. But there are plenty of places to go and get those holes filled..
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