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when Fujita gets cut that number will come down a bunch.
and the 49ers will have a huge jump when Bowman's tab comes due. we just happen to have veterans there. and with Gocong and DQ, I don't think I'd say it's the definitive weak link of the defense. it's just that we don't have a WOLB that is starter quality. just like the OL doesn't have a RT that is starter quality.
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when Fujita gets cut that number will come down a bunch.
and the 49ers will have a huge jump when Bowman's tab comes due. we just happen to have veterans there. and with Gocong and DQ, I don't think I'd say it's the definitive weak link of the defense. it's just that we don't have a WOLB that is starter quality. just like the OL doesn't have a RT that is starter quality.
I think that both of you guys have a good point.
And IDK, but how was DQ's and Gocongs contracts structured?
Front loaded, progressing (cap hit) or incentive based? Because I think that could be another factor when the cap is 100% in place next year IIRC.
I know that I'm looking forward to the middle rounds of this Draft, because I really like the depth of this years LBer class.
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its pretty obvious you dont know much about how the cap works.
so ill go this way then...since you think 13% of the cap is too much to spend on 6% of the roster, or 14% of the starting roster.
some reason why you want to only use 4-3 teams? even after restructuring, top 4 linebackers for the steelers is 21 mil....know what that hits gonna be next year when all those pro-rated bonuses hit? 32mil+, for only 3 of them.
but, you want to stay within parameters that suit your argument...thats fine.
so the giants....did you want to mention that 2 of those 4, kiwanuka and boley, account for 11.2 mil of the 13.4? only one other guy on that team makes more than a mil this year....clint sintim at 1.2 mil. all the rest? guys drafted in the system still on rookie contracts.
great comparison there. why dont you do the same exercise and compare how much more money the giants have in their veteran DL (and JPP), then look at ours. cry me a river when you realize 5-10mil more or less for positional groupings amongst teams is nothing in practical terms. you think our LBers are overpaid based on a snapshot of a few teams that pay that group less?
probably something i should make you aware of that you missed...the saints just signed lofton to a 5 yr 30 mil deal...contract specifics are still unreleased, so im not sure how you factored that in. same goes for chamberlin....3 year deal. oh you didn't factor those in? hope your not using other teams 2011 rosters to compare to our 2012 roster....hmm.
please....i dont have time to rip apart that whole post, as these were to 2 easiest examples that were fresh in my head. the crux of your argument is that compared to other teams, our guys get paid too much. the number that supports your argument happens to be lumping in salaries of the top money makers. you have anything else other than weak cherry-picked statistical comparisons that may actually...ya know...be valid?
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Browns: $18.5 Million link
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We almost have the most, which I don't think is a good thing.
You might not want to be at the bottom of the list with no room for some roster flexibility but I would think the ideal would be in the middle somewhere.
I'd hope we can sign a couple of guys and get that number down around 5-6-7 mil.
I didn't read any additional text on the link if there was any, but seeing as Carolina is last with 600K or so in space, I assume this list takes in to account the anticipated rookie pool.
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Remember that this year (and I think this is the last year) you are able to carry forward any unused cap space to next year.
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OK,, I just gotta ask, if we can hold some of this back to use next season (as someone on here has said) could it be that we are planning a move next season in more of an ALL or Nothing kinda thing?
By that I mean, (and JUST for the sake of this discussion) McCoy proves NOT to be the guy, We then use some picks to move up to get whoever is the flavor of the year next season and use the remaining CAP to get some serious help....
Or, is this a move to maintain a ton of space so we can go after a TOP FLITE FA QB next season (I don't even know who might be available at that point)
Or is thier a trade they hope to complete for an existing guy (kolb or someone like that)
I get the feeling that the moves that H&H are making don't make sense today but could, if you will allow them to play out.. Just some looney out of the box thoughts...
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Next year is also the beginning of the cap floor, where like 90% of the cap has to be spent.
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Isn't that league wide not per individual team though?
Regardless, we should be pretty active in free agency next year.
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I don't think you bring in a new QB an then plan to compete in that first year -- can't remember that working very often.
The 90% is per team -- there is also a 90% for the league in general (or maybe higher) which is already in effect.
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I get the feeling that the moves that H&H are making don't make sense today but could, if you will allow them to play out.. Just some looney out of the box thoughts...
Totally Agree, why overpay this year for a postion you plan to draft this year or next year, odds are were not going to be in the playoff hunt this year, so fill more holes in the draft this year, fill the rest next year with FA & the draft.
in other words why over pay this year just for year or two when you can draft & get the right player next year, we dont wanna hear it, but it's gonna take time. This year I expect improvement next year I expect a push for the playoffs, and next year we might need to sign a QB if colt dosent improve to what we want.
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I don't think you bring in a new QB an then plan to compete in that first year -- can't remember that working very often.
The 90% is per team -- there is also a 90% for the league in general (or maybe higher) which is already in effect.
I agree. It's why Tannehill makes sense this year. Give him a chance to sit most of the year, learn what being a pro is all about, and get his feet wet the final 6 games.
Go in to next year bing,bang,boom!
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I don't think you bring in a new QB an then plan to compete in that first year -- can't remember that working very often.
The 90% is per team -- there is also a 90% for the league in general (or maybe higher) which is already in effect.
I agree. It's why Tannehill makes sense this year. Give him a chance to sit most of the year, learn what being a pro is all about, and get his feet wet the final 6 games.
Go in to next year bing,bang,boom!
I don''t think Tannehill makes any sense at all..
I think he's gonna drop like Quinn and Rogers did.. Both thought to be sure fire top 10's,, both ended up in the 20's.
We know Quinn kinda flopped, but Rogers is someone you have to wonder about, what if he'd have ended up in SF instead of smith.. would he have had Smiths career?
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Rodgers has much, much, much better accuracy that Smith will ever have ..... and I am talking accuracy to all levels of the field. His anticipation is far superior to Smith's.
Would Smith be better if he had gone to Green Bay? Maybe. Would Rodgers be worse if he had gone to San Francisco? Perhaps. However there is absolutely no way to know for sure.
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I don''t think Tannehill makes any sense at all..
I think he's gonna drop like Quinn and Rogers did.. Both thought to be sure fire top 10's,, both ended up in the 20's.
Not so sure, QB as a position has gained in importance/value IMO. Look at last year, Ponder and Locker were all first round selections. I would prefer Tannehill over Ponder for sure....... I see his skill set comparable to that of Jake Locker though. Didn't see enough of Jake in college to make that decision though (who i'd have wanted more)
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What if I had won last nights lotto....would I have given you a half a mil like I would have a few dozen others around here?
I am serious when I say that, believe it or not.
I"d have invited you to dinner and also invited Holmgren so that you could plead your case... I'd still not want tannehill, but for a half a million, I'd find a way to get you and audience with the man : 
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I am serious when I say that, believe it or not.
I"d have invited you to dinner and also invited Holmgren so that you could plead your case... I'd still not want tannehill, but for a half a million, I'd find a way to get you and audience with the man :
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Rodgers has much, much, much better accuracy that Smith will ever have ..... and I am talking accuracy to all levels of the field. His anticipation is far superior to Smith's.
Would Smith be better if he had gone to Green Bay? Maybe. Would Rodgers be worse if he had gone to San Francisco? Perhaps. However there is absolutely no way to know for sure.
Before this year, we all knew that Rogers was, hands down, the better of the two QB's.. But was he? Let's face it, Rogers sat behind one of the greatest QB's to play the game, in the same exact system for his entire career, when he finally got his shot, he really turned it up a notch and did an amazing job.
Then Rogers misses a game, Matt "nobody knows my name" Flynn steps in and has a career game.
So, the question is, was it rogers all along? or was it the team around him him all along? or was Matt Flynn really that good?
Take your pick
At the same time this year, Smith has his best year as a pro.
for the record, I still think that rogers is way better and that Flynn was probaby part fluke and part a great team..
The point was, a QB can't do it alone.
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If memory serves me, Smith was showing steady improvement until he hurt his arm He lost some zip and I think just now learning hoe to deal with it. Just my opinion.
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If memory serves me, Smith was showing steady improvement until he hurt his arm He lost some zip and I think just now learning hoe to deal with it. Just my opinion.
didn't know that.. but it doesn't change my example
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I don't understand why the Bills decided to play hardball with their one serviceable offensive tackle.
Guess they lost another one to Philly.
I too think it's funny that the last 2 LTs for the Bills ended up being Philly LTs.
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I don't understand why the Bills decided to play hardball with their one serviceable offensive tackle.
Guess they lost another one to Philly.
They will probably go with an OT with their 11th section. I think that this is showing their hand at bit, but this move might also signal that the Eagles can go in a different direction come Draft day.
Leaving the balance of OT's as top priorities on an even keel.
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I wouldn't put it past the Bills to jump up to the Vikings for Kalil. The Vikes need Kalil, but can live with another year or two of Charlie Johnson if it means picking up a couple of 2nd rounders or another 1st next year.
I would do that deal in a heart-beat. They can still get a helluva starter at 11.
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Or if Miami jumps us to grab Tannehill at #3, then Buffalo can look to us for Kalil
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