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Ryan Tucker is out for the season with what's believed to be an emotional illness, but he told Crennel he wants to return.

"Once he gets himself right, he'll have the opportunity to," said Crennel.

Crennel said Tucker will issue a statement in a day or two regarding his situation. "We want what's best for [Ryan] and his family," said Crennel. "We'll support him and his recovery."



Can anyone shed some light on what emotional illnesses could affect someone's performance on the football field? I'm even more confused now that I read this.

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What do the Browns do here? I'd like to see Tucker return next year if only as backup but we don't need another Bob Hallen replay. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

The fact that your miffed tells me you are clueless. Emotional illness is one way to say mental illness. He could be suffering from one of many things that can all lead to the inability to perform even the most mundane tasks. I'm quite sure he would rather be playing ball with his teammates than be sitting around his ranch wondering if he is going to ever lead a normal life let alone play football.

I personally am "miffed" at how insensitive you and others are being. If you ever had to go through what he is going through now or had a loved one for that matter you would keep your mouth shut.

And people wondered why he didn't want to make it public. Because people are clueless.

That's true Lama. Clinical depression, or any other emotional disorder, carries with it a very big stigma. Especially in the macho world of Pro football. But it is a medical condition that needs to be, and can be, treated.

I'm glad he realizes he is not well and is getting help before it is too late, like what happened to the Raiders center, Barret Robbins a few years ago.
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Since that article it's been worse for him. The guy just started circling the drain and ended up getting shot by cops in a burglary attempt in 2005 . I think he's in jail now still awaiting trial?

Well, an emotional illness is a heck-uv-a lot better than cancer or something.
I had guessed if it might be depression or a cronic fatigue type thing. Stress is very bad for those types of illnesses and there's certainly enough stress involved in being a Browns OLineman.

There are treatments such as bio-feedback (which I don't feel works) or medications (gotta find the right one) that can get him back to his old self...if indeed these might be his problem.

As always, I hope he gets well soon.

well, I hope this is right and it's not something worse like cancer as I had feared.

That said, I'll just wait and see if we ever get anything concrete before I comment further.... until then I'll just keep him in the prayers.

Yes it is a medical illness and if more people realized that more would get help or be of help to those who are suffering. I too am glad that Ryan is taking care of himself and is seeking medical attention. Continued prayer can't hurt either.

[color:"white"]Prpl, I'm going to appeal to your common sense in that regard.

If it were cancer, I would hardly think that he'd be cleared to play after the last layoff.[/color]

you're probably right, but ya never know until ya know.

[color:"white"]But........but..........what if I allready know? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> [/color]

then ya know <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

[color:"white"]I do? Oh........YAAAAAAHHHHH!!!![/color]

It`s a shame...Physicall disabilities are accepted easier than mental disabilities....or illnesses....I wish him the very best for a healthy recovery......

yeah because football is a mentally exhausting life/death job....

Football isn`t the issue here...It`s someones health......And seeing your local I would have to say ..Thanks...I was on the base in "71"...Wish you the best.........

that comment i made wasnt toward tucker and his situation. im sympethetic towards that. it was more towards the prior poster my friend.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." (Abraham Lincoln, 1809-65)

I knew it was going to be some kind of mental thing. He seemed alright physically, but being a lineman I suspected some form of mental issue.

I don't see how that makes it any better. What the prior poster said was a mental illness can make even the most mundane (pertaining to everyday matter) extremely difficult to deal with. If you seriously think that football would be mentally exhausting under those conditions you'd be correct. If you meant you don't see how it should matter than you have no clue about the seriousness of mental illness.

My guess is that it's post-traumatic stress disorder from the pre-season where he watched his offensive linemates drop one, by one, by one...

That's got to cause serious psychological consequences.

Seriously though, I wish Tucker all the best, and I hope when his illness is finally revealed, we can all be sensitive enough not, through our own ignorance, to pile on him or call him a quitter just because we may not be able to understand the severity of his situation.

Tuck has paid his dues over the past few years as a Brown and in my mind he's long-since earned the benefit of the doubt.

Couldnt have said it any better...... <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Tuck our prayers are with you and your family, get well, not for us but for yourself and family...

Usually when you have any type of mental or emotional problems you take medicine to even out the chemicals in the brain. Sometimes the meds you've been on for years start working against you and they need to be changed. New medicines need to be regulated. during that process some of them can keep you from sleeping, some of them might make you hallucinate, some of them make you gain 30lbs in a month, some of them make you have muscle tremmors......... and on and on and on......... any one of those many side effects could very well keep someone off the fotball field or out of work in general until they are leveled off.

Just don't jump to conclusions or judge.
I think thats why everyone within the organization wanted it to be kept private.

Amen

I've known a few people who needed med changes after being on the same meds for years it can be a difficult process.

reguardless, its a game. something he must love (if not im sure he loves the money) if he can handle it mentally, what job can he do?

dont talk down to me about mental illnesses. when you hold a dieing man crying in your arms you talk to me. or talk to the state trooper whos had a gun pulled on him by a crack head just running a rutine traffic stop, or the firefighter who has held a 3rd degree burned child in his arms...

these people go to work the next day because its whats expected of them. this man plays a damn game and works out. thats it. iv seen it time and time again in the desert in real situations. soldiers are torn from their loved ones and are thrown in the fire for an entire year sometimes longer. they have friends die in their arms, they miss their kids' births/first steps. they arnt there when their loved ones die, ect... they still go on the patrol the next night because thats their job. you go in tomorrow to work and tell your boss your gunna take the next couple months off because your "mentally ill" tell me how that goes.

iv got much respect for tucker, hes a good player. but whats a good player in a cut-throat business like this if he's unfit to play.

get better tuck. i want to see you back on the field. hopefully its with us (if the browns would be even willing to pay for you after this year.)


...this is football...just football

You really need to stop. Seriously.


I hope the best for Ryan. These types of illnesses can be very hard to treat and it's usually a roller coaster ride. I hope he gets the treatment he needs and can get back to the game he loves.

hey, i hope for the same. but im just sharing my opinion. i dont dislike the guy, its not that i dont respect him. its just that i dont believe that he cant play football because of this. i know that a legitimate mental illness isnt as easy to treat as a broken bone or something physicall. so on that note, why pay the guy past this year if he's going to walk out the door with the browns' money that can go toward a mentally fit RT next year.

Having soldiers in our family, I can see where you are coming from. My FIL was in Vietnam, watched his bother die and is a mental wreck...... now we take care of him everyday because of the "strong man syndrome" you try and portray. When soldiers(or anyone else for that matter) need help they should get it and not be treated like they are less of a person or weak........ otherwise in 25-30 years they will be diving onto the ground when they hear an unexpected fire work or low flying jet overhead. Its a shame some people have to try and fight through these types of problems and not get help because of the exact attitude you portray in your post.

exactly right danielle, a vietnam vet i can understand. very few have been through what theyve been though. its not often you find one that is headstrong anymore. same will be said for this generation of soldiers in a few years. but to compare a job of that nature to football is comparing pumpkins to grapes.

i really would like to stay and discuss further but iv got to go to work. id love to open a chat with some of you (the ones who bring opinions rather than flame and trash other posters.... looking at you "dawgylama")

A mental issue is a mental issue........... it doesnt matter what job you do. I'm talking about attitudes towards the problem. The generation of kids you talk about will be the same way, because of the attitude towards the problem.

Its not the job that put Tucker out, its the illness. Seperate the two.

It doesnt matter what line of work you do, if you can not do your job to the best of your potential then you should take the time off. If going to work everyday when you have serious physical side effects from medicine which could put your life at risk........ why would you want to go to work......... oh thats right...... its just football, a game.

dawgy- i'm right there with you

I've held a dying man in my arms thank you. If your post was meant to be clueless and insensitive to people with mental illness then you need to be educated. However if you read my whole previous post I questioned your motivation but you didn't answer that.

Look at me all you want. What you see in me look for in yourself and I'll do the same.

That's exactly it. It doesn't matter what he does for a living. These people are tortured from the inside. People who sit on the couch all day and do nothing can be in a living hell from these types of diseases.

Mental disorder can hit anyone.

Your reaction is very sad. I don't know if your insensitive or just not very bright.

Football is a game. Tucker needs to put that on the back burner and get better. Take care of #1. If he doesn't get healthy than he is hurting himself and his family more than he could ever help the Browns on the football field.

Not to mention if he isn't one hundred percent healthy mentally than he is probably putting himself and his team mates at risk on the field.

In cases like this football becomes irrelevant. It's about getting better.

Keep in mind, a football player, isnt what Tucker is, it's what he does, tucker is human being made up just like the rest of us, sure were diffrent in ways, but we all have problems in our lifes, sometimes we can deal with them on our own and other times we need help,

Not everybody with metal problems or stress get up everyday and go to work, The law does protect a employer form firing / get rid of a person who needs to take a leave due to mental illness.

the gung ho attitude, get back up rub dirty on it bite the bullet is nice in the bars, but dosent always work with some people, ...and no matter what your attiudue is you deserve the same rights, isnt that what the men and women in the military serve to protect, everybodies rights,

You're right and it doesn't work at all if your brain chemistry is the cause.

Just clicking clay..

Although people are jumping on screaming eagle, he does raise a valid point in that there is a very real possibility that Tucker's career might be toast. (Granted, Eagle, your "its just football" argument is a little insensitive).

The fact is is that being unhealthy mentally might be even harder to heal than broken bones or torn muscles. If Tucker does have a debilitating mental illness bad enough to remove him from playing now, there may be a very real chance that it is bad enough to end his career. Let's make no mistake...a professional athelete must perform both physically and mentally, making very quick decisions and having to play with desire. If either the mind or body is compromised, a player is not 100%.

No, before people label me as Screaming Eagle II, I am NOT advocating cutting Tucker out and tossing him off the team. I hope we help him find the best treatment available, just as if this was a physical malady. HOWEVER, we have to acknowledge that, as it stands right now, we are going into next season without Tucker.

THe last five games will show us if we have what we need in Kelly Butler.

I agree with ya CanadaDawg, I cant talk for alot of us on this board, But i do feel we also agree, on yes, we have to think about possibly going inot next years without Tuck,

I think we got on Screaming eagle or lets say disagree with him due to his overly hard core handling or attitude of a sensitive area.

like i said i cant and wont speak for anybody but me, heck sometimes thats hard enough.... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

All the money in the world doesnt necessarily make one happy. Football is stressful, you get the crap beat out of you physically, and when you are on a bad team the stress of dealing with losing/impatient fans. It doesnt matter what you do...my mom has bipolar disorder and shes "just" a housewife...no stress there right.

The meds involved can have some strange side effects...one thing they tried she slept for 20-21 hours a day, and she was incredibly weak when she was awake. Lets say Tuck is going through somethin similar...its hard for anyone to deal with this kinda stuff. Its hard for those around you to do so as well. Its better for him to seek the help he needs...and keep it private. Rather than being down on him, pray for his complete recovery. He's a good player, and we need him at 100% next year.