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I think that we should go defense with our entire draft, and really build that defense up to a top level. 
I actually think that some people would have a stroke if that happened.
are you saying that you wouldn't have a stroke if they did that?
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Claiborne, a standout cornerback from Louisiana State who’s considered the top-rated defensive player in this year’s draft, announced on Twitter that he arrived in Cleveland at about 8:30 p.m. Wednesday.
Of course that was just a guess on Claiborne's part as he's not sure how to tell time.
How he manages to type tweets is still under investigation.
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I don't even consider Claibourne much, just was the consensus top cornerback discussed. This article says Louisiana State, so LSU.
When the natl championship game was going on, I heard this 2 day montage of how they called this player " honey badger" , " honey badger" about 100 times during the game.
So I looked up "honey badger" that day and he was an underclassman db on LSU, if I remember right.
So Is Claibourne EVen the Best Cornerback ON HIS TEAM????
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I think that we should go defense with our entire draft, and really build that defense up to a top level.
I actually think that some people would have a stroke if that happened.
are you saying that you wouldn't have a stroke if they did that?
I might be shocked, stunned, and astonished ...... but I wouldn't need to be on suicide watch like some fans would .......
I also wouldn't expect to win many games, even with a great defense, while having an offense score 13 PPG. The defense would have to score a lot in that case.
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LSU is stacked. In 2010 they had Patrick Peterson, Claiborne, and the Honey Badger. It doesn't matter if he's not the best player at his position on his own team (which is debatable). It matters if he is talented enough to be our pick.
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Also, look at that USC team from several years ago. Cushing, Maualuga, Matthews, and Maiava were all drafted the same year. Many considered Maualuga to be the best, Cushing second, and Matthews third. Or some other combination.
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I might be shocked, stunned, and astonished ...... but I wouldn't need to be on suicide watch like some fans would .......
you mean like you were when the browns wouldn't give up the whole draft to get RG3? 
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I also wouldn't expect to win many games, even with a great defense, while having an offense score 13 PPG. The defense would have to score a lot in that case.
I almost get the feeling sometimes that you wish that the Browns would fail miserably on Offense so you can say I told you so 
seriously, I don't see a chance in hell they go all D. I doubt you think so either really.
I really wouldn't be surprised to see one of the two 1st rounders go D,, But I"d prefer they deal with the O this year like they did with the D last year. Add two or three contributers that make a difference on O like Sheard and Taylor did on D last year..
That would be my guess as to the direction they'll take,, Just a guess...
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"Honey Badger" is a different player, and as it turns out, not nearly as good as Claiborne.
Honey Badger got all kinds of hype for his crazy knack for being able to strip the ball and run with it as well as his return abilities... but, in my watching him, he was generally unimpressive as a CB.
Claiborne, however, was pretty freaking good in what I saw of him.
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Honey Badger = Tyrann Mathieu (pronounced Matthew).
Mathieu is more "dynamic", meaning better at stripping the ball, returning INT's and he's one of, if not the, best kick returners in NCAA....but Claiborne is a better pure corner at this point in time.
That being said, dude got a FOUR on his wonderlic? Seriously? So....who ties his shoes for him before games? Surprised he doesn't suffocate himself trying to put on shoulder pads. Wow.
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That being said, dude got a FOUR on his wonderlic? Seriously? So....who ties his shoes for him before games? Surprised he doesn't suffocate himself trying to put on shoulder pads. Wow.
As I said before, it's fun to make fun of people with learning disabilities!
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John W. Michel, an assistant professor at Towson University who co-authored the study, told The Washington Post: "We found in no cases was cognitive ability related to [football] performance. We did find a negative relationship for tight ends and defensive backs. For defensive backs, it was the most pronounced; basically, the lower you scored on the Wonderlic, the better you performed."
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Well they aren't asking him to do taxes.
I really don't care what the guy scored on a written test. I just detest Corner as a matter of position and that he'd be a 1st rounder, and what position the Browns should invest their 1st round pick on.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I'm not sure what you are saying. You hate cornerbacks, you don't want to draft a cornerback this year in the first round, or both?
If Claiborne is miles ahead of whoever the fifth ranked player is, don't you think we should draft him?
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I don't want the Browns to invest a 1st round pick in the corner position. (Just my opinion.)
It is given that Claibourne will not be picked outside of the 1st round, ( top 15 ), so by default I don't want the Browns to take him.
If you say he is the top player? Its like is he the top apple vs a top orange?
I don't want the best apple if it denies the opportunity to get an orange, any orange, if you go years without getting any oranges.
There are several different, uniquely skilled, positions on a football team, even kicker, I mean you have got to have ONE kicker right? You can't be a team with ZERO kickers.
So it's not just apples, and oranges, it's apples, oranges, grapes, plums, plus 5 or 6 more fruits and Vegatables!
An O-lineman and a CB, are as different as a sports car and a dump truck.
So No, I would not take Claibourne, even IF he graded the best. But that's just me.
And that's why alot of people don't want alot of players in any way (Tannehill) (Richardson) that other people really want.
Because if you get a grape, you missed out on a carrot, and if you get a carrot you missed out on a Plum and the carrot you already had wasn't as sour and tasteless as other people say that it is.
Just like someone said, they were wrong to draft 3 Centers in so many years,
Getting another Corner, after they've drafted A BILLION corners in the last 13 years ( exxaggeration, more like 140 different rostered players), is just not my favorite option.
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The difference is that Claiborne is the 4th (well, in my book 3rd) best player in this draft period. I'm comparing him to everybody at a different position.
And the other difference is there are replacement level starters you can get at any position basically for free - so you always have all the mediocre oranges you want.
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So because they've drafted many players at certain position in the past, that means they shouldn't draft a really good one this year?
That doesn't make any sense. At all.
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It makes sense if you think the ones they've already drafted are really good ones. If you think that Haden and Ward and Patterson, and Young, and Sheldon Brown, are all BAD, then it makes sense to draft a Db 1st rd, AGAIN!  a little bit.
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It makes sense if you think the ones they've already drafted are really good ones.
If you think that Haden and Ward and Patterson, and Young, and Sheldon Brown, are all BAD, then it makes sense to draft a Db 1st rd, AGAIN! a little bit.
Well, Ward and Young are safeties. Sheldon Brown is bad. Patterson is a nickelback. And it turns out you need two starting CBs.
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If you think that Haden and Ward and Patterson, and Young, and Sheldon Brown, are all BAD
Ward and Young play safety. Haden is good. Patterson is a third corner. Brown is old. Skrine has potential but is far from a sure thing.
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then it makes sense to draft a Db 1st rd, AGAIN!
We have drafted one defensive back in the first round since 1999.
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We have drafted one defensive back in the first round since 1999.
Don't go bringing facts into this, they have no place here.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I don't want the Browns to invest a 1st round pick in the corner position. (Just my opinion.)
Not for nothin, but it seems to have worked out pretty well with Haden..
The rest of your analogies sounds a little fruity to me..sorry..
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The difference is that Claiborne is the 4th (well, in my book 3rd) best player in this draft period. I'm comparing him to everybody at a different position.
And I think this is the part being questioned. I know all of the "gurus" and many draft geeks do it... I know some have convoluted rating systems to do it... but you would have a hard time taking ... say Blackmon, Richardson, Kalil, and Claiborne, who all play different positions on different teams in different schemes in different conferences against different competition, and proving to me that you have figured out which one is the better FOOTBALL PLAYER.... I just don't think it can be done. That's why I think that nobody EVER drafts purely BPA... It's always BPA weighted against need and the importance of the position..
It's like taking Jim Brown, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice and whoever and trying to tell me that you have definitively come up with a numerical ranking system that shows me who the greatest player of all time is... it makes for neat academic discussions but it always makes me laugh when people think they can prove it. 
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No - but the argument he made earlier (not sure why I pay attention to what the arguments actually were, since it doesn't matter) -- is that Claiborne shouldn't be the 4th overall because Matthieu is better.
That doesn't matter, comparing him to other prospects does.
Sure it's a flawed rating system -- but that doesn't matter -- it's what you have to do, if you are making choices of who to draft. You can only pick between the prospects that are there.
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I'm never suicidal over anything.
I refuse to let the bastiches win.
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Claiborne, a standout cornerback from Louisiana State who’s considered the top-rated defensive player in this year’s draft, announced on Twitter that he arrived in Cleveland at about 8:30 p.m. Wednesday.
Of course that was just a guess on Claiborne's part as he's not sure how to tell time.
Let's give that up. The guy has a learning disorder. He had to take verbal exams. That doesn't mean he is stupid.
Also, at safety he doesn't have to do a lot of thinking. He just needs to react. Four or not, the guy will be off the board before pick 8.
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San Diego State punter Brian Stahovich (workout) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: undrafted.
Glad to see we are looking in that direction. Something about kickers and Achilles ruptures make me wary. Seems to me those guys stretch that thing pretty good every snap they take.
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Let's give that up. The guy has a learning disorder. He had to take verbal exams. That doesn't mean he is stupid.
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No - but the argument he made earlier (not sure why I pay attention to what the arguments actually were, since it doesn't matter) -- is that Claiborne shouldn't be the 4th overall because Matthieu is better.
But ... Matthieu is no where near the Cb Claiborne is. Matthieu is flashy and a fabulous kick returner but he should not be drafted in the 1st round. He is going to get torched in the NFL.
Don't blame the clown for acting like a clown.
Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.
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I don't know. I take all my player advice from Brent Musberger, and he seemed to think Honey Badger would not only be the greatest NFL player ever, but also cure cancer and several as-of-yet-undiscovered diseases.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Of course that was just a guess on Claiborne's part as he's not sure how to tell time.
Let's give that up. The guy has a learning disorder. He had to take verbal exams. That doesn't mean he is stupid.
Also, at safety he doesn't have to do a lot of thinking. He just needs to react. Four or not, the guy will be off the board before pick 8.
You can give it up if you like, that's your prerogative, that doesn't dismiss the fact the guy's a moron. I'm just curious how he managed to stay eligible to even play football at the college level when he can't spell cat when he's spotted the c and the t. I see it as more an indictment of the college football programs in our country when a guy who's clearly athletically talented but lacks even basic cognitive skills can stay in a division 1 school for 3 years. Call it what it really is, a farce.
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He knows and understands his disability and uses all the resources that LSU has available to control it and to help him get by in the classroom.
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You drafted 1 db in the 1st round since 99, but you only get so many draft picks. 5, 6, 7, sometimes 8, 13 this year is an exception. I wrote that sentence, Then it makes sense to draft a Db AGAIN. and realized someone would say I'm advocating noo db's in 13 picks, but I was trying to make the point ( It's not worth a 1st rd investment!!!!!! !!!!!!) So, in a hurry I went back to that sentence (or not one) and inserted the ( 1st rd) maybe I should have put it before the DB, or after the Db, . The point I'm saying is still there. There are only so many draft picks per year, the Browns use a high percentage of them on DB's, in ANY round, and the 1st rd pick is the most valuable, and if the Browns use A draft pick, AGAIN on a db, and if it is the 1st rd pick, the most valuable pick, ( which Claibourne would have to be) then the result is it is at the cost of getting a 1st rd pick at any other position. Anytime the Browns use a pick at DB, one of the results is Not getting a pick at that time in any other position on the team. It's just where they choose to invest, it's all up to them It's just what makes this whole thing so much more of a chess game than say the NBA draft, it is 10 times more complicated because there are so many specialised positions.
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While your heart is bleeding all over itself, what about the kid who didn't get that scholarship wasted by this guy? You know, the kid who can pass a college entrance exam.
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Claiborne didn't? And any player that would have been offered a football scholarship at LSU probably got one from another school. People with learning disabilities shouldn't be able to receive a higher education?
This is what I know about Claiborne. He went to LSU, he remained academically eligible for three seasons, and he is a really good football player.
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If we draft a punter late, w one of 13, maybe more, picks, I won't be complaining.
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Donald Stephenson visited Browns, Chiefs by Aaron Wilson of Scout.com, April 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm ET Donald Stephenson Profile University of Oklahoma offensive tackle Donald Stephenson was one of the stars of the NFL scouting combine, turning in a truly impressive workout. The 6-foot-6, 312-pounder ran the fastest 40-yard dash of any offensive lineman with an eye-opening 4.94. He also had a 35 1/2 inch vertical leap, a 9-6 broad jump, a 4.78 in the 20-yard shuttle and a 7.52 three-cone drill. His vertical leap and broad jump ranked first among all offensive linemen invited to the combine. He bench pressed 225 pounds 19 times, the only category where he could stand for some improvement. And Stephenson has visits with the Cleveland Browns and Kansas City Chiefs and the following NFL teams have been to Norman to work him out: the Atlanta Falcons, Browns, the Chicago Bears and an undisclosed AFC team. We caught up with Stephenson for the following interview: Scout: What was the combine like for you? Stephenson: "It was a really good experience. Getting to know the coaches was the most exciting part for me. I figured I would do pretty good at the combine. I didn't know I would be first in most of the events. I met with around 25 teams. I pretty much got to talk to anybody except for a handful of teams. "They were all excited about the athleticism I showed on film. They all said they believed my potential is out of the roof basically. They really liked my feet and how quick I got off the ball. They feel like the sky's the limit for me." Scout: What kind of player will the team that drafts you be getting? Stephenson: "I'm a very athletic, physical player. I play with a mean streak. I love to study the game. I'm always trying to get better. I'm a good guy around the locker room. I want to be in this for the long haul. I don't want to make this an average NFL career. I want to be in this for 10, 15 years. I want to help a team and be there for a long time." Scout: What NFL tackles do you emulate? Stephenson: "D'Brickashaw Ferguson is probably my favorite tackle. He's an athletic, strong guy with long arms. His technique is great. He uses his athleticism to his advantage. There's not a lot of guys that can beat him off the ball. That's a guy I usually watch." Scout: Where do you feel like you can still improve? Stephenson: "My upper body strength can get better. That's my main thing I've been working on. I told some coaches if my upper body strength is whre I want it to be, the sky’s the limit for me. Then, everything else falls into place." Scout: Who's the toughest player you've blocked? Stephenson: "The best guy I blocked was Von Miller. He's a freak athlete, very fast and physical. I played him my first year I was starting. I did a decent job, but he got me on a sack. That play still haunts me." Scout: What game should NFL scouts watch of you? Stephenson: Texas A&M this past year, Iowa and Oklahoma State." Scout: What do your parents do? Stephenson: "My mom is a pastor and she’s trying to start up her own church. My dad is an electrician for General Motors. He's getting ready to retire." Scout: How much did your parents' example build your work ethic and character? Stephenson: "It's huge. My mom and dad are all about doing things the right way. She’s rarely lets me slip up on things. She was tough on me about being disciplined. My dad, him being a blue-collar guy, working for GM for 40 years, he kind of showed me how to bring it every day. "My dad never missed a day. He's consistent. He’s been doing that for 40 years. He kind of taught me when you do something, do it right. Be just as good as you were the day before, don’t come in and slack off. It's about discipline and consistency." web page
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I've been interested in him, and downloaded a video which I haven't watched yet...
Seems like an interesting developmental prospect - one of those guys you might spend a pick on if you have 13 of them.
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2012 NFL Draft: Tracking prospects with workouts or visits set up with Browns
By Nate Ulrich Published: April 10, 2012
Originally posted March 22; updated April 10
As the 2012 NFL Draft approaches, prospects are visiting and working out for teams. Below is a list of prospects with whom the Browns have reportedly set up meetings.
A couple of notes about the list: It will continue to be updated leading up to the draft, which runs April 26-28; Last year, a similar list was featured on this blog. Defensive tackle Phil Taylor, wide receiver Greg Little, cornerback Buster Skrine and offensive lineman Dominic Alford were prospects who made the list and ended up with the Browns.
Here is this year's version:
Syracuse DE Chandler Jones (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first- or second-round pick.
Southern California DE Nick Perry (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Oklahoma OT Donald Stephenson (visit and workout) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: third- or fourth-round pick.
South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Utah State LB Bobby Wagner (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second-round pick.
Virginia Tech CB Jayron Hosley (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second-round pick.
Southern California OT Matt Kalil (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Nebraska LB Lavonte David (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second-round pick.
Baylor WR Kendall Wright (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Boise State RB Doug Martin (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first- or second-round pick.
California OT Mitchell Schwartz (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second- or third-round pick.
Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Alabama RB Trent Richardson (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Louisiana State CB Morris Claiborne (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second-round pick.
Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second- or third-round pick.
Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill (visit and workout) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
San Diego State punter Brian Stahovich (workout) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: undrafted.
Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Louisiana State DT Michael Brockers (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
Stanford OT Jonathan Martin (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first-round pick.
West Virginia OLB/DE Bruce Irvin (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second- or third-round pick.
Virginia Tech RB David Wilson (visit) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: first- or second-round pick.
Louisiana-Lafayette TE Ladarius Green (workout) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: third-round pick.
Cincinnati RB Isaiah Pead (workout) -- NFLDraftScout.com projection: second- or third-round pick.
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Can you imagine the outcry if the draft went: 1a Morris Claiborne 1b Whitney Mercilus 2 Lavonte David 3 Ladarius Green 
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