"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Is Brian Daboll going to be our OC? That sure looks like a skill group that would be great pounding the ball and bombing deep. Not so much relying on accurate route-running and YAC (Richardson would be good in both systems).
Is Brian Daboll going to be our OC? That sure looks like a skill group that would be great pounding the ball and bombing deep. Not so much relying on accurate route-running and YAC (Richardson would be good in both systems).
I just like Little working the middle and intermediates and having Stephen Hill and Jeffrey gives us two guys that can break you and big Red Zone targets. Who do you double? Not only that they wouldn't be able to keep their safety in the box. Three potent playmakers and a RT. Given the price on the market for Mediocre free agent Receivers is taken into account also. I imagine in year two that we will start utilizing and expanding the offense beyond the 4 yard pass and this should help. If they keep a safety in the box to stop Richardson and you hit one of those guys once, you put them on their heels. I just want weapons and if Richardson, Little, Hill and Jeffrey can't give you instant offense they will be in place for a new QB next year because that would be the only issue at that point.
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"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
I see the benefits of such a system. I just don't think it fits the WCO, which is what we run. GB goes deep more than any other WCO team and even they have Driver, Jennings, Jones and Jordy spend a ton of their time on those intermediate routes.
Think Philly and Minnesota combined and Green Bay rolled into one. Hill goes 6'4 runs 4.3, Jeffrey goes shy of 6'3 and just ran a 4.45 and Little is a brute at 6'3 and ran a 4.5. I would be stoked if our draft turned out this way.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
i'm just trying to figure out which routes you want them to play? Philly, Minny, and GB typically have 1 designated "deep" route guy.
Little needs to get better at his routes and become our "Terrell Owens" type guy, but he struggles at routes currently (except he's great at the hitch. he stops his momentum really well on them).
Hill and Jeffrey have not shown great route running ability either. They are both speed, deep guys which traditionally are not the biggest part of the WCO. What roles do you see them playing? How do you see all 3 of them working together on the field?
not saying it wouldn't work, but I don't see what your plan is with them.
Quote: i'm just trying to figure out which routes you want them to play? Philly, Minny, and GB typically have 1 designated "deep" route guy.
Little needs to get better at his routes and become our "Terrell Owens" type guy, but he struggles at routes currently (except he's great at the hitch. he stops his momentum really well on them).
Hill and Jeffrey have not shown great route running ability either. They are both speed, deep guys which traditionally are not the biggest part of the WCO. What roles do you see them playing? How do you see all 3 of them working together on the field?
not saying it wouldn't work, but I don't see what your plan is with them.
I want them to play the part of Scoring TD's and Catching the ball and getting open. All three we need. Hill would be the deep threat, Jeffrey and Little would take care of the underneath and intermediate routes. Both have different skillsets and are able to get open Jeffrey being a better pure Catcher. It gives you great options in the redzone. There are plenty of things each does different and are good at. We desperately need WR to worry about and all three would pose major problems for defenses. Throw Richardson in there and we could be potent. It's just my opinion but having those guys plus Schwartz at RT would be a great day. We aren't really sure about Hill as a route Runner because they only asked him to run a variation of one route.
Jeffrey= Rice Little=Colston Hill=Nelson or Meacham
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
You can borrow mine..I've been wearing them for months though. The worries about route running are legitimate, but can be learned. I am not sure how bad they are or if they never had to showcase them or how they were taught, but if they were truly concerned they wouldn't have drafted Little and used him and Cribbs on the field together.
The West Coast Offense does just the opposite, using a quick, horizontal passing attack to set up the running game.
The West Coast Offense employs a variety of formations and pre-snap motions designed to confuse defenders. It also relies heavily on an ability to flood a defense with more receivers than they can handle. The quarterback often moves around more than in a conventional offense with designed roll outs and bootlegs that are tied in with the patterns being run by the receivers.
The objective of the West Coast Offense is to:
Spread the defense out horizontally as well as vertically, forcing slower linebackers into coverage.
Maintain possession of the football by utilizing a short passing attack almost as an extension of the running game.
Create mismatches with speed, size, or number of receivers.
Avoid tendencies that defenses can key on by throwing on any down and distance.
Wide Receiver - With the focus on a short passing attack, precision and timing are of the utmost importance, so receivers have to run precise routes. Straight-line speed isn’t as important as an ability to separate in traffic. And an ability to make plays after the catch can turn a good receiver into a superstar in this offense.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
You make no sense whatsoever. You want to draft fats WRs with bad route running skills,team them up with our guys that can't run routes,then post this;
Wide Receiver - With the focus on a short passing attack, precision and timing are of the utmost importance, so receivers have to run precise routes. Straight-line speed isn’t as important as an ability to separate in traffic. And an ability to make plays after the catch can turn a good receiver into a superstar in this offense
Why would you quote something that makes your idea look bad?
Quote: You make no sense whatsoever. You want to draft fats WRs with bad route running skills,team them up with our guys that can't run routes,then post this;
Wide Receiver - With the focus on a short passing attack, precision and timing are of the utmost importance, so receivers have to run precise routes. Straight-line speed isn’t as important as an ability to separate in traffic. And an ability to make plays after the catch can turn a good receiver into a superstar in this offense
Why would you quote something that makes your idea look bad?
Yeah..Okay. Whatever you say. Please show me a College WR who is a polished route runner..oh yeah, Robiskie. My bad, we should try to get him back.
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"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Bucs are really putting him through it big time. Hands have been decent i guess but not Peyton Hillis level hands. Kid has powerful legs and has done nothing to drop his stock. Nice balance and really quick feet.
If we don't go Tannehill, I hope we take this kid but I think we have our eye on Wilson or Martin.
ESPN dude said it was a 4.4 and Trent thought he could do a 4.3 ? Beats me.. In either case. He's fast enough. Even if the DB can catch him they usually slide off his arm
Quote: ESPN dude said it was a 4.4 and Trent thought he could do a 4.3 ? Beats me.. In either case. He's fast enough. Even if the DB can catch him they usually slide off his arm
I don't care what "they" say, he isn't that fast.
The 4.58 sound right, and very good for that type of back. People who say that isn't good enough have some agenda or don't know what the heck they are talking about.
Herchel Walker was a heck of a back.....the best I have ever seen at the college ranks, and as a Gator season ticket holder I watched Emmett run, but Herchel was better. The guy was a beast, and a much maligned player as a pro, and he was a damn good pro football player,.....maybe he as a 238 lb back could run a 4.44 forty, but nobody else could.
Bo Jackson....another SEC beast....I still put him behid Hershel and Emmett
Richardson is plenty fast.
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If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: You make no sense whatsoever. You want to draft fats WRs with bad route running skills,team them up with our guys that can't run routes,then post this;
Wide Receiver - With the focus on a short passing attack, precision and timing are of the utmost importance, so receivers have to run precise routes. Straight-line speed isn’t as important as an ability to separate in traffic. And an ability to make plays after the catch can turn a good receiver into a superstar in this offense
Why would you quote something that makes your idea look bad?
Yeah..Okay. Whatever you say. Please show me a College WR who is a polished route runner..oh yeah, Robiskie. My bad, we should try to get him back.
I was merely pointing out your inconsistencies. Now I realize why I was having problems understanding you.Maybe all that rolling on the floor will knock some sense into you.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Strong workout likely vaults QB Osweiler into first round Gil Brandt By Gil Brandt |
Published: March 30th, 2012 | Tags: 2012 pro days, Arizona State, Brock Osweiler, Cleveland Browns, Noel Mazzone, Pete Carroll, Ryan Tannehill, Seattle Seahawks
Representatives from 23 teams were on hand to watch QB prospect Brock Osweiler work out at Arizona State on Friday, including many of the people who observed QB Ryan Tannehill‘s workout at Texas A&M on Thursday. Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, Browns QB coach Mark Whipple and representatives from the Miami Dolphins were among those in attendance. Osweiler opted not to work out at Arizona State’s pro day earlier in the month.
Osweiler weighed in at 238 pounds on Friday; his height was not measured, but at the NFL Scouting Combine he measured 6-foot-6 7/8. He threw and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.98 and 4.97 seconds indoors on field turf, but did not do any other drills.
The scripted throwing session was run by Noel Mazzone, who recently left the Arizona State coaching staff to become an assistant at UCLA. Osweiler threw 72 passes, with seven hitting the ground. The seven misses were not, however, an indicator of wildness; his accuracy was very good. He presented himself very well, which is important for a quarterback, and interacted well with his receivers. Despite his height, he is very flexible and has a solid throwing platform. Mazzone has worked with him to correct a tendency to drop his elbow, which Osweiler avoided doing on Friday.
Based on Friday’s workout, I think Osweiler vaulted himself into the first round on draft day. He will likely work out for a number of teams; there is a lot of excitement with him. His showing Friday was somewhat surprising; I think he exceeded the expectations of everybody in attendance. Osweiler was an outstanding high-school athlete who has a lot of upside. web page
Pro Days Strong workout likely vaults QB Osweiler into first round Gil Brandt By Gil Brandt |
Published: March 30th, 2012 | Tags: 2012 pro days, Arizona State, Brock Osweiler, Cleveland Browns, Noel Mazzone, Pete Carroll, Ryan Tannehill, Seattle Seahawks
Representatives from 23 teams were on hand to watch QB prospect Brock Osweiler work out at Arizona State on Friday, including many of the people who observed QB Ryan Tannehill‘s workout at Texas A&M on Thursday. Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, Browns QB coach Mark Whipple and representatives from the Miami Dolphins were among those in attendance. Osweiler opted not to work out at Arizona State’s pro day earlier in the month.
Osweiler weighed in at 238 pounds on Friday; his height was not measured, but at the NFL Scouting Combine he measured 6-foot-6 7/8. He threw and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.98 and 4.97 seconds indoors on field turf, but did not do any other drills.
The scripted throwing session was run by Noel Mazzone, who recently left the Arizona State coaching staff to become an assistant at UCLA. Osweiler threw 72 passes, with seven hitting the ground. The seven misses were not, however, an indicator of wildness; his accuracy was very good. He presented himself very well, which is important for a quarterback, and interacted well with his receivers. Despite his height, he is very flexible and has a solid throwing platform. Mazzone has worked with him to correct a tendency to drop his elbow, which Osweiler avoided doing on Friday.
Based on Friday’s workout, I think Osweiler vaulted himself into the first round on draft day. He will likely work out for a number of teams; there is a lot of excitement with him. His showing Friday was somewhat surprising; I think he exceeded the expectations of everybody in attendance. Osweiler was an outstanding high-school athlete who has a lot of upside.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
speaking of pro days, here's a guy I'd definitely target if we move ddown and get a second 2nd round pick.
Quote: Friday, March 30, 1:53 p.m. Utah State linebacker Bobby Wagner erased any skepticism that lingered after missing the combine due to pneumonia, turning in a terrific workout today. Wagner's testing numbers would've matched just about any linebacker who worked out in Indianapolis. He measured just over 6-feet tall and weighed 235 pounds. His early marks included a vertical jump of 39 ½ inches, 11 feet in the broad jump and 24 reps on the bench. Wagner's 40 times were as fast as 4.45 seconds, and he clocked 7.03 seconds in the three cone and 4.2 seconds in the short shuttle. During position drills, Wagner looked incredibly smooth and quick in all his movements. Most importantly, he showed well in coverage drills, as Wagner got depth on pass drops and made several nice plays down the field. He also displayed good hands catching the ball, which impressed scouts, many who branded him as a two-down, run defender. The versatility and completeness shown in his pro day workout will push Wagner into the top half of the second round.
Ah .... that explains a lot about certain exclusions.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I am a big Wagner fan. I was hoping to get him with one of our 4th round picks when the college season ended because not many people take notice of a guy coming out of Utah St. Then he proceeded to shine at the Senior bowl or East-West Shrine or whichever he was in and his pro day workout. Now he it looks like he is a second rounder. So much for a 4th round steal.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
8 out of 9 teams agree Osweiler is a 4th round prospect.
Earth shattering news...
I wouldn't mind the browns picking him up in the 3rd.
4 - Claiborne 22 - Martin 37 - Jeffery 67 - Osweiller 100 - Cyrus Gray 118 - Olivier Vernon 139 - TY Hilton
On Offense - Martin/Jeffery would start from Day 1, and patch our two biggest holes. Gray also has a chance to start, and would at the least contribute. Osweiler takes a year to learn the system.
Best look yet at Big Four in Browns draft Print Comment By Steve Doerschuk
Our favorite draft guide, Pro Football Weekly’s, just came out of the mailbox at our weekend draft headquarters. The long scouting reports on all of the prospects are in it. Here are some tasty excerpts as to the key men who will visit Berea by the end of the coming week. TRENT RICHARDSON Running back, 5-9 1/4, 228 Bottom line: Powerful bellcow back with a unique combination of run strength, balance and explosive tackle-breaking power. Regularly faced stacked boxes and still entered the Alabama record books with jaw-dropping, reverse-field, highlight-reel runs that demonstrated the ability to run over or around tacklers. Concerns: Bow-legged and tight-hipped and does not have elite feet in the hole. Not an accomplished route runner. Might need to tame his aggression to preserve his body. A bit naive and has been involved with some of the wrong people in the past. JUSTIN BLACKMON Wide receiver, 6-0 7/8, 207 Bottom line: Exceptional hands catcher. Consistently moves the sticks on third downs and in critical situations despite facing extra attention. Has drawn the most comparisons to Anquan Boldin from NFL evaluators, but Blackmon is not as strong or physical and is more savvy playing the ball, with a wider catching radius. Can play inside or outside and bring an intense presence but was not instantly impactful in college and might not possess the elite physical traits to scare defensive backs readily in the pros. A good, accomplished football player. Concerns: Average initial quickness off the line. Hip tightness apparent. Will struggle to separate vertically from quick corners. Not an overly creative or elusive playmaker. Can be distracted by some of the trappings of the game. MORRIS CLAIBORNE Cornerback, 5-11 1/8, 188 Bottom line: Rare arm length. Maintains great positioning. Can read through his man to the quarterback. Plays the ball like a receiver. A well-built, rangy, long-limbed, confident, press, man cover corner with the ball skill, toughness and swagger to lock down No. 1 receivers in the pros. Makes the game look easy. Should factor readily. Concerns: Has small hands. tends to rise in his pedal. Did not perform like an elite athlete at the Combine ... only a 34 1/2-inch vertical jump. Not consistently physical in run support. Tends to shoestring tackle some big backs. RYAN TANNEHILL Quarterback, 6-3 7/8, 221 Bottom line: Very good size, arm strength and athletic ability. Can thread the deep out. Physically tough. Highly focused and determined. Having converted from receiver midway through his junior season, far from finished. Clearly possesses NFL starter-quality talent but will need a few years of seasoning. Struggles to find rhythm in a timing passing game. Could be best suited for a vertical attack. Concerns: A bit duck-footed. Too much wasted motion in delivery. Release point often drops low, resulting in batted balls. Can be rattled by the blitz .... eyes drop to pressure. Muddled decision maker. Flustered by onset of adversity. Wound too tightly.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Concerns: A bit duck-footed. Too much wasted motion in delivery. Release point often drops low, resulting in batted balls. Can be rattled by the blitz .... eyes drop to pressure. Muddled decision maker. Flustered by onset of adversity. Wound too tightly.
His delivery has gotten a lil better in what I saw in his proday video... but still tends to release it low.
The next three shows inexperience and none are qualities a NFL QB should posess.
Wound too tightly is definitely not a quality I like or knew about. I want a QB to be Joe Cool underpressure.
Quote: but will need a few years of seasoning. Struggles to find rhythm in a timing passing game.
These are huge..a few is three and rhythm and timing is crucial to a passing game, especially in the WCO. Once again I like Tannehill, but not until the 2nd round. Certain teams can take a gamble on him earlier and develop him with the luxury of him sitting. We are not one of those teams.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
You know who's one of the worst QB when you get pressure on him?
Tom Brady.
I'd settle for Tom Brady...
Aaron Rogers also..That Playoff game when the receivers couldn't catch and he was under pressure made him look pretty ordinary.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
Quote: The Huddle Report ‏ @ TheHuddleReport ESCH: Hearing Cowboys are talking to Browns about moving from 14 up to 4. Target would be LSU CB Morris Claiborne.
That would get us a 1st next year..
And possibly put us in position to grab either Martin, or maybe Ingram..
I. Am. A. Fan.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Hill would be the deep threat, Jeffrey and Little would take care of the underneath and intermediate routes. Both have different skillsets and are able to get open Jeffrey being a better pure Catcher. It gives you great options in the redzone. There are plenty of things each does different and are good at. We desperately need WR to worry about and all three would pose major problems for defenses. Throw Richardson in there and we could be potent. It's just my opinion but having those guys plus Schwartz at RT would be a great day. We aren't really sure about Hill as a route Runner because they only asked him to run a variation of one route. 
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Please show me a College WR who is a polished route runner..oh yeah, Robiskie. My bad, we should try to get him back. 
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