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Its also timed, so you have to move a little quickly. I had to take it once for a job and I scored a 33/50. It was good enough to get the job.
arps...I believe the Wonderlic used by the NFL gives 12 minutes to complete...there may different tests with different time limits too...not sure on that.
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If the wonderlik has 50 questions and a 12 minute time limit and a college football player takes the wonderlik, how many seconds per question is that? 
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Here is a more serious question. Is the wonderlik a multiple choice exam?
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I'm beginning to think he might make our best option, as the weather in Cleveland turns bad, he's too dumb to want to come in out of it.
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It's my understanding that when someone asked him "how would you feel about playing in Cleveland", he said "would I need a passport to get there?"
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I don't know ...... but I did read once that 26 was considered "Passing" for a college level student.
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Cowherd just said a scout told him that 4 or below is basically being unable to read
But you do have to wonder,, is this another case of some team wanting him to drop like the whole thing with Warren Sapp so they leak something that may not be fact?
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wheres Eotab at..he always acted like the Browns had great drafts cause they supposedly drafted players with high Wonderlic scores.
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Isn't this what you want from your corner? He makes a bad play, it won't rattle him because he will have forgotten it by the next snap. Also how many times do you hear coaches tell their corners, Don't Think, React!!
Well he has that one covered really well  lol
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1.) Might be true for man coverage -- but you better make sure he is getting his assignment right for zone coverages.
2.) Fake wonderlic scores have been leaked before -- don't remember the people involved, but it seems like there is one every year.
3.) He might have severe dyslexia or something similar -- he might be unable to read (which would explain the score regardless of whether he is perfectly able to understand a defense).
If this score is real (and all the team scouts know whether it is or not) - then I think when you bring the guy in, you have to do some extra homework in trying to figure out how he thinks, and what the issues are in that respect. Have him guide you through film review, ask him about coverage packages etc. All the stuff you would normally do, but it becomes much more important with a red flag already up.
EDIT: He does tweet (@MoClaiborne) -- it's certainly not Great Expectations, and there's a bunch of grammer errors (a couple that wouldn't be normal twitter shorthand, e.g. "hosted" when he meant "hosting") - but it's not anything different than you expect on most athletes' twitters.
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Cowherd just said a scout told him that 4 or below is basically being unable to read
But you do have to wonder,, is this another case of some team wanting him to drop like the whole thing with Warren Sapp so they leak something that may not be fact?
Even so, does that change the fact that Claiborne couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the T...
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A report earlier today stated that LSU cornerback Mo Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic test at the Combine. When a player scores that low it’s an obvious red flag and clubs have to do their research on the player. Personally, I feel the league should find out who leaked the score and fire the individual. There are some things that should be kept private and this is one of them. Let’s look at the process.
I for one feel the Wonderlic is obsolete when it comes to testing for intelligence in the NFL. It’s not because the test isn’t good, it’s because the use of THAT test is no longer valid. The people from Wonderlic will tell you that the test is a good indicator of intelligence when it is taken ONE time under PROPER testing conditions. The NFL has been using this test for over 30 years. Prospects usually take the test as juniors on their testing day for Combine scouts in the spring of their junior year. The scores are distributed to all the clubs later that spring. If the prospect has taken the test, he is not supposed to take it again until he goes to the Combine. The problem is that while the prospect is at a training center preparing for the Combine, he takes a version of the test sometimes 4-5 times a week for up to 6 weeks. This makes the result of the test totally invalid when taken at the Combine. I have seen instances where a prospect’s test score has jumped by as much as 20 points at the Combine and only because he has taken it so many times. The Wonderlic people will tell you that a jump by any more than 4 points is invalid.
Now knowing what I just wrote, let’s look at the Claiborne situation.
When Claiborne came out of high school, the schools that recruited him knew he had a learning disability. I don’t know much about his disability other than it has to do with reading. Everyone I have talked to tells me that Claiborne has great character and is a great kid. He knows and understands his disability and uses all the resources that LSU has available to control it and to help him get by in the classroom. When it comes to football he puts in extra time to learn and understand his assignments and it is not a problem. Will he need reps? Probably, but no more than the usual rookie would need. In saying that, Claiborne’s test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence. He can and does learn.
Claiborne is expected to be drafted in the top 5 of this month’s NFL Draft. What I suspect happened is a club drafting after 5 leaked the test score to try and scare off teams in the top 5 from drafting Claiborne. The clubs have known the results of these scores for weeks. If they had any questions about a player's ability to learn they have had plenty of time to do their research to feel if they are comfortable with drafting Claiborne. The team leaking the score is hoping that the public backlash for drafting a player with such a low score will scare them off. Unfortunately, this is dirty pool but it often happens this time of year in the NFL. Just remember, if you start to hear a lot of negative things about some highly rated players in the next few weeks, it’s because a team who drafts later in the round wants the player to drop so they can have an opportunity to select him.
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What does that have to do with anything???
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A 2009 study by professors from Fresno State University, the University of Georgia and Towson State found no connection between Wonderlic scores and performance during the first three years of a player's NFL career. The group studied 762 players from the 2002, 2003 and 2004 draft classes.
John W. Michel, an assistant professor at Towson University who co-authored the study, told the Washington Post: "We found in no cases was cognitive ability related to (football) performance. We did find a negative relationship for tight ends and defensive backs. For defensive backs, it was the most pronounced; basically, the lower you scored on the Wonderlic, the better you performed."
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Morris Claiborne - DB - Player According to the National Football Post's Greg Gabriel, LSU CB Morris Claiborne was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school. This helps explain why he registered a four on the Wonderlic Test. Per Gabriel, colleges that recruited Claiborne knew of the learning disability, which affects the player's ability to read. "Claiborne’s test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence," Gabriel writes. "He can and does learn." Source: National Football Post http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
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My dog can learn too, I still call him shortbus. Come to think of it, he did score more than a 4 on the Wonder lick.
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We gotta get that guy!
Hey, first I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, but 3 posts mention reading problems or such, but even if someone can read, and it might not explain a 4 but someone could get a lower score if they are under some sort of stresss.
You never know what happened just before he took the test, if someone is under some sort of stressful situation it could hang around for 12 minutes or so and then you just couldn't focus on the test.
Another thing, some people are just going to be put off that they're facing these kind of questions, think that this has nothing to do with football, rebel at the fact they're made to take the test, presume they won't score great anyway, and just intentionally miss some obvious answers to drvie home the point.
Like a soccer team that scores 109 points into their own goal because they were mad at the referees call. I saw that story some time a few years ago, in a far away country of course.
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John W. Michel, an assistant professor at Towson University who co-authored the study, told the Washington Post: "We found in no cases was cognitive ability related to (football) performance. We did find a negative relationship for tight ends and defensive backs. For defensive backs, it was the most pronounced; basically, the lower you scored on the Wonderlic, the better you performed."
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Morris Claiborne - DB - Player
According to the National Football Post's Greg Gabriel, LSU CB Morris Claiborne was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school.
This helps explain why he registered a four on the Wonderlic Test. Per Gabriel, colleges that recruited Claiborne knew of the learning disability, which affects the player's ability to read. "Claiborne’s test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence," Gabriel writes. "He can and does learn."
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He could possibly be dyslexic.
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According to the National Football Post's Greg Gabriel, LSU CB Morris Claiborne was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school.
This helps explain why he registered a four on the Wonderlic Test. Per Gabriel, colleges that recruited Claiborne knew of the learning disability, which affects the player's ability to read. "Claiborne’s test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence," Gabriel writes. "He can and does learn."
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http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
He could possibly be dyslexic.
He could also be legally blind or dead with a score like that.
I really have to question a score of 4. It's either wrong or Claiborne wasn't trying. I don't see how scoring a 4 is possible. Had he just picked "A" for each answer he would have scored better.
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According to the National Football Post's Greg Gabriel, LSU CB Morris Claiborne was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school.
This helps explain why he registered a four on the Wonderlic Test. Per Gabriel, colleges that recruited Claiborne knew of the learning disability, which affects the player's ability to read. "Claiborne’s test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence," Gabriel writes. "He can and does learn."
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http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
that's actually good to hear,, At least it's something that can and has been dealt with.. he's not just some dumb jock...
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Actually, that kinda makes sense, because I have heard him speak and while he's not a Rhodes Scholar, he doesn't come off as an idiot either.
He sounds a lot like many "college student athletes", but he might even be slightly more articulate.
My only question would be this: would such a condition adversely impact his ability to learn the schemes, coverages, and packages?
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Actually, that kinda makes sense, because I have heard him speak and while he's not a Rhodes Scholar, he doesn't come off as an idiot either.
He sounds a lot like many "college student athletes", but he might even be slightly more articulate.
My only question would be this: would such a condition adversely impact his ability to learn the schemes, coverages, and packages?
I think it has been said somewhere that men are visual learners.
Like with a coach showing him something on film. He doesn't need to spell it out so to speak.
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Ryan Broyles to work out five months after ACL surgery By Derek Harper | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com Oklahoma's NCAA record-holding wide receiver Ryan Broyles confirmed to NFLDraftScout.com that he feels "great" and will hold a personal pro day for NFL scouts on April 12, five months after a torn left ACL prematurely ended his remarkable college career. "I'm feeling confident and I feel great," said Broyles when asked how his leg was coming along. "I can't give you a percentage, it's not 100 percent but the left leg is getting closer to being as strong as the right leg." In a game against Texas A&M on Nov. 5, Broyles hurt the knee while making a cut after his second catch of the game, a 30-yarder that set up one of four third-quarter touchdowns in the Sooners' 41-25 victory. It was his final college catch, pushing his NCAA record to 349. His 4,586 yards receiving are second in NCAA history. Last year when Broyles asked the NFL to evaluate his draft potential, he was told he projected as a probable late second-round pick. After conferring with Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops, Broyles opted to return for another college season. NFLDraftScout.com had Broyles rated as high as an early second-round pick before his injury. He is currently the No. 26-ranked wide receiver and projected as a sixth-round prospect. However, if he is able to show significant progress, he is expected to move up everybody's draft board, possibly close to that late second-round spot again. In addition to his own workout on April 12, the next day he is among those players due to return to Indianapolis for a post-Combine re-check. He did attend the February combine. He measured 5-10, 192 pounds and he actually took part in the bench press, pushing up 225 pounds 21 times. Broyles was an entertaining, elusive wide receiver and returner before his injury. He did not appear to have elite speed, but was very quick and used a dazzling array of lateral moves to elude tacklers. It is exactly that type of move that puts stress on an ACL. That is why the usual physical recovery time for such an injury is believed to be a minimum of eight months. Often, the mental or emotional recovery, and the confidence that goes with it, takes more than a year. But Broyles began showing confidence when he began pushing his rehab only two weeks after the surgery. "My dream has always been to play in the NFL, not be a first-round draft pick, just to be a pick," he said. "It's not about where you get picked. It's not about how much money you make. It's about how much you save. I've heard that a lot. I'm on my saving kick already." There is recent precedent for outstanding players in a so-called skilled position to move into the NFL the next year and have a good career. In 2003, University of Miami's extraordinary running back Willis McGahee was drafted No. 23 overall by the Buffalo Bills after a devastating late-season injury. In 2007, Louisville running back Michael Bush was selected in the fourth round, No. 100 overall, by the Oakland Raiders, despite suffering a season-ending broken right tibia in Louisville's opener the previous season. McGahee sat out his first pro year, but in the last eight years with three teams he has had four seasons rushing for more than 1,000 yards, including 1,199 yards in 2011 as the other option in Tim Tebow's run option offense at Denver. Bush also sat out his first pro season. Then, after serving as a sometimes starter behind oft-injured Darren McFadden, he made enough of an impression to get a four-year, $14 million contract last month with the Chicago Bears. McGahee had a severe knee injury that required an extensive surgery known as a triad, involving repair to a torn ACL, meniscus and MCL. Broyles' injury involved only the ACL and the surgery was done in Pensacola, Fla. by Dr. James Andrews, considered one of the best in the business. "I really expect to be as good as ever at some point," Broyles said. "Everything has gone well. I have worked hard and in some ways I am in the best shape of my life. I'll keep doing my best and the rest will take care of itself." --Submitted by Frank Cooney, Publisher, NFLDraftScout.com. web page
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I just wanted to continue a little rant I had from another thread but it was on Receivers and this has nothing to do with that..Just let me get this off my chest for a second and I will be good.  Mike Mayock..Tool extraordinaire. He just has no accountability whatsoever(there is probably a better word but hang with me)..Did anyone see how giddy he got at the Combine with Poe after he ran his drills? All of a sudden Mayock pumps him up and puts him at the top of his draft as the best NT and think maybe a top 10-15 selection. A scout comes out and basically calls him on it and said something along the lines.... go watch the tape he never did anything or showed up. Mayock backtracks as fast as he can and says he watched tape and lowered him down to the 4th best NT. The truth is if that scout hadn't said something Mayock would still have Poe in there. I highlighted a particular phrase that makes me cringe..Ego Stroking. Poe stock sinking Another day, another sign that the shine of Dontari Poe’s impressive Scouting Combine performance is wearing off. Yesterday we passed along a report that quoted an NFL scout saying Poe “didn’t do anything” on tape and that the talk of Poe as a potential Top 5 pick was based solely on his Combine showing, when he ran a 4.87-second 40-yard dash and bench pressed 225 pounds 44 times. Today NFL Network’s Mike Mayock has altered his rankings of the Top 5 players at each position, and Poe falls further than anyone. Mayock listed Poe as the top defensive tackle in the draft after the Combine, but after spending more time watching tape, Mayock has dropped Poe down to the fourth-best defensive tackle, behind Mississippi State’s Fletcher Cox, Michigan State’s Jerel Worthy and LSU’s Michael Brockers. “Coming off the Combine I wanted to show people what a freak this kid Poe is — and he is a physical freak, no doubt,” Mayock said. “However, the tape is very average. So how do you match the two up? Potential versus his actual game footage. When I look at this kid I see a freaky athlete with a good motor. If you have those two things, over time I believe you can develop into a high-quality NFL player. But the key is time. How quickly can he step in and produce at a high level?” Mayock said he doesn’t think Poe is a player who’s going to be a good NFL starter as a rookie. He thinks Poe is going to need some time to develop. “He needs to get into a good locker room, with a mentor in that defensive line group who can show this kid how to play football,” Mayock said. So a team that wants to spend its first-round pick on a Week One starter would be wise to look at someone other than Poe.
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Poe will not make it past the Cowboys. He has a strong chance to go to Panthers, Chiefs or Cowboys.
Mayock is clueless on trench players to begin with. He does ok with WRs, DBs and QBs.
These guys should also be smart enough to know that scouts lie, some are idiots, some may tell the truth but are evaluating a guy for their specific system.
I'll use Reiff as an example. It wasn't long ago he was being pimped as a top 5 prospect. All the experts were raving about this guy as the next joe thomas. He has a very realistic shot at falling to the Browns at 22.
Watching the guy, I saw him coming out of his stance and reaching. First thing that shows is he either has slower feet than expected or shorter arms. In this case it was a little both. He can still be a star but he is a RT only type prospect.
Poe at the next level is potential star at the nose. His tape may not measure up but a 350 pound monster with nimble feet is not coming off the board as your 4th or 5th tackle. He will be first or 2nd. Panthers have been scouting Fletcher Cox hard so I have dropped Poe to the Chiefs.
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I really don't get the Randall hype as a top 50 pick....how many LSU WR have to bust, before the NFL gets smarter?
Red flag alerts:
1. Very bad 40 (4.55) to shuttle gap (4.36) which indicates bad explosion...a 31' vertical at 6'3 is further proof for that
2. in 7 of 39 games he didn't even record a catch...31yds combined in 2 games vs Bama's Kirkpatrick
Don't think he's a fit anyway, as he's more of a #2 downfield player only imho...comparable to Meachem....his underneath routes are reportedly lacking, so that should push him further down our board
If I had to pick this year's version of Robo/Massa (big school exposure and vastly overrated), it'd be him...although he at least has some upside left and should be a better pro (yeah, difficult, I know)
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I'm wondering why Brockers isn't showing up more as the main adversary for Fletcher as top DT.
his main negative is that he only did it for one season (that is a big negative for a DL especially), but he was so good and effected so much out there. he played like 2007 Shaun Rogers for LSU.
I haven't read anything about a poor work ethic or anything like that. are teams just worried that he'll be 400lbs in a couple years?
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I really don't get the Randall hype as a top 50 pick....how many LSU WR have to bust, before the NFL gets smarter?
Red flag alerts:
1. Very bad 40 (4.55) to shuttle gap (4.36) which indicates bad explosion...a 31' vertical at 6'3 is further proof for that
2. in 7 of 39 games he didn't even record a catch...31yds combined in 2 games vs Bama's Kirkpatrick
Don't think he's a fit anyway, as he's more of a #2 downfield player only imho...comparable to Meachem....his underneath routes are reportedly lacking, so that should push him further down our board
If I had to pick this year's version of Robo/Massa (big school exposure and vastly overrated), it'd be him...although he at least has some upside left and should be a better pro (yeah, difficult, I know)
DJ, I agree
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But don't you know ... It's because he is younger [/purple]
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Teams are worried about his initial burst and explosion.
then how is he so good at FG blocks? that is pure burst and explosion with no time for anything else.
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j/c
Big fan of the walterfootball Mock that was out today:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php
4 - Trent Richardson
22 - Jonathan Martin
37 - Rueben Randall (n.b. Jeffery and Hill are already off the board in this Mock)
67 - Brock Osweiler
100 - Chase Minnifield
118 - Dajohn Harris
139 - Terrell Manning
160 - Olivier Vernon!!
Don't think the Harris pick makes sense for us schematically and there's a couple others I disagree with. e.g. Bruce Irvin lasts until after our #139, and would almost certainly be the pick in that spot -- otherwise the first three rounds at least look very good.
Of all the comparable sites, Walter has always been my favorite.
And now he's given me more reason to give him a 
That would be a great draft IMHO. The only thing I'd change is to switch Osweiler for Cousins and I'd say we had a nearly perfect draft.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Yeah, but you've always been in love with your cousins.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Gotta keep it in the family bro
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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