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just for arguments sake...
What would happen if we picked him and his knee wasn't healthy?

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Thanks.
So Nick Saban believed that Ingram was a better back and he went to NO late round 1.
I'm sold,forget this guy at 4.

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Thanks for posting, and my comments about the article are as follows:

What a crock!

So Mayock, who fancies himself as one of, if not THE premier draftnicks in the entire world, just now has gotten around to watching enough tape to evaluate the guy that is widely considered to be the safest pick in the entire draft?

Yeah, right.

Lemme tell you what is REALLY happening...

Mayock is reading the tea-leaves and realizes his prediction about him falling out of the top-10 was short-sighted and flat out WRONG. So what's the easiest cop-out? Is it to admit you're wrong by stating you didn't read the waves right? Nope, the EASY way out is to say "Well, NOW that I've had this opportunity to evaluate him, I see that he's really a top-10 guy no matter what. See, I just didn't have the time to watch him enough. I know what I'm talking about...now."



Every lead scout for all 32 NFL teams has watched every ounce of tape on all the top guys. Mayock doesn't even work for a team. All he does is talk draft on TV, in print, and on radio.

He had already seen everything he needed to see. He's just trying to make himself look better.

What a cop-out.

Here's what he said less than three weeks ago:

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“I think he’s a Top 10 talent,” Mayock said of Richardson. “That doesn’t mean that I endorse taking him with a Top 10 pick. I have a problem with running backs, and the history of running backs in the last 6-7 years in this league, justifying a pick that high. The last Top 10 pick for a running back that has paid off in my opinion has been Adrian Peterson, who went No. 7 to the Vikings.

“As talented as Trent Richardson is — and I believe he is, I believe he is a Top 10 talent in this draft, I’m not convinced he’s going in the Top 10,” Mayock said.

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So he's adamant that he's a top-10 talent. He clearly states he has a problem taking a RB in the top-10 because of the loss of value of the position. He even states that he's the best back to come out since Peterson. Still, he isn't going to go in the top-10.

BUT WAIT! I'M SORRY! I SAW MORE FILM BECAUSE, UHHH...YOU KNOW...I DIDN'T WATCH IT BEFORE! HE'S AMAZING! HE'LL GO TOP-10 FOR SURE! RB'S AREN'T REALLY OVER-VALUED AFTERALL!



Mayock/fail.

Yeah man, it's just flat impossible to take Mayock seriously after that comment. I mean he's now painted himself into a corner. He either has never watched enough tape on the top guys of any draft before making on-the-record comments, or he's lying about it now. His entire life is to watch every ounce of tape on the top guys. I'm not talking about the potential 6th round fullback from Tennessee-Chattanooga. I'm talking about one of THE top players of an entire draft, and a guy that has WIDELY been promoted as the best guy to come out of his position since Adrian Peterson.

It's a pathetically weak way to try and wiggle out of the corner he painted himself into.

Besides, of all the positions in the game of football, RB is effectively the easiest to evaluate.

Sheesh...you'd think I'd be excited that Mayock has gotten on board with the guy I've been promoting. I just hate the wishy-washiness of these talking heads. Mayock can spin this however he wants, but that's a bald-faced lie. He just doesn't wanna have to admit he's wrong after the fact. It's far easy to lie by saying he just didn't have all the facts. The only problem is all it takes is a quick google search to be able to connect the dots where he flat-out said he wouldn't take Richardson in the top-10 because he believes the position has been devalued.

Well he ain't singing that tune now, is he.

Here's what his piers say about him. You tell me if this sounds like the guy who has just now gotten around to watching enough tape to evaluate the best RB to come out of college in the last decade:

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Mayock watches more tape than anybody because he loves it—but also because he’s trying to ensure that anyone who’s ever doubted his ability is dead wrong. He’s reached the upper reaches of the profession, serving as a color man on the NFL Network’s Thursday-night package and NBC’s Notre Dame University broadcasts. He’s also established himself as the preeminent NFL Draft analyst.

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People can't change their minds? Once someone says something that is their opinion always and forever?

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Many know that it's a passing game today and also backs have become situational. Not even the best 'bell cows' play in every situation for the most part. I would rate them with the RT's as far as team value today.

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What I think will happen:

- We will stay at 4 and pick Richardson
- We will take Floyd at 22 if he's there. If not, a RT.
- If we didn't take a RT at 22, we will at 37.

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but would it not have been better to keep Hillis and not have to use a high pick on a RB.

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I think your missing the point. PH might have gotten a run of 10yd - 12yd. a time or two a game. You knew when he busted one, he wasn't going all the way with it. That's what I like about TR, when he busts one, look out he's gone. Big difference in the RB's. I really liked PH, but..He was not the threat that a TR will bring to this offense. That's all I've been saying about TR, We NEED his production alot more than we needed PH. Yeah I'll miss him but I think TR will be worlds better for scoring.

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I think that Blackmon could be very good. I think that Tannehill is a huge risk. I think that Claiborne will also be very good, but I would like to have a guy who is a little taller to handle some of the bigger receivers in the league to play opposite Haden.

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I think everyone REALLY needs to calm down and note that all this Tannehill talk was spurred on by the media. I bet the Browns brass are loving it, too . . . I will be shocked. SHOCKED if we go Tannehill at #4. I'll still be shocked, but maybe less so, if we trade down and take him.

I'm prepared for us to take him at #22, but don't want to. If he landed to us at #37, SURE, why not . . .

Oh wait, this is a Richardson thread . . .

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The one thing I disliked about Hillis was how often he put the ball on the ground. We just aren't a good enough team to overcome that. How does Richardson compare in that regard? Haven't seem much of him.

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As to Oklahoma State’s Blackmon and Notre Dame’s Floyd, he said, “There are concerns about the character of both.”

Blackmon’s 40 was in the 4.4s, but Nawrocki said his “true playing speed is closer to the mid 4.5s.”

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• Elaborating on Blackmon, Nawrocki said, “He has shown a lot of talent, but more and more concerns are coming up about the maturity level. That needs to be investigated closely.
“Many left his pro day unimpressed.”

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Unimpressed or not likely to have a shot to draft him?


IIRC wasn't there reports that Coach Shurmur was at the head of the line (in his face) shortly after his pro day workout to talk with Blackmon.

At least he worked out

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He said Martin’s worst games were against the best competition. A rusher from USC, he said, “ate him up.”

“He’ll probably have to move to right tackle, but he doesn’t have the strength you want at right tackle.”

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If an NFL team tries to insert him now as a starter?

“I think you’ll see him get exposed.”

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• Nawrocki likes Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins more than Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill. he especially sees Cousins as a fit for Cleveland’s offense.

“He has followed a pattern similar to Andy Dalton,” Nawrocki said. “It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if teams running precision passing games wouldn’t look at him in the first round.”

“I’d be coming at it a little differently than Mike Holmgren does,” Nawrocki said, who said he would “probably be trying to convert the kind of offense the Browns run.”

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Sounds like he thinks that he could do a better job.
Yeah, Let's draft a QB who is a better fit for some other offense.

I don't agree with Cousins, being a better QB prospect then Ryan Tannehill, especially with our WCO. I don't think that I have ever heard another so called expert rate him higher either.

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• He likes Cordy Glenn, as do most analysts, but doesn’t necessarily see the versatile Glenn, who may be best suited for guard,

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I agree with this, but I CAN wait to hear what his master plan is for RT.

Overall I thought that there where more negative undertones then constructive criticism with this post.

Overall I have to say Nawrocki left me unimpressed

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I know there are concerns about Blackmon's character. Some worry that he could be a distraction Dez Bryant style. If that's the case, I'll understand if we pass on him.

But, seeing him on the field, I would love if we got him at 4.

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Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly denounced him, without ever meeting him, as "very disingenuous -- has a fake smile ... and a selfish, me-first makeup."

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This is what he said of Cam Newton last year.

The mans a joke.

Passing judgment without ever meeting or having any first hand knowledge of a person.


More on Cam Newton
He said;
"that he was a fraud, a narcissist and a con-artist.”

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Man he does have it all. I love watching a RB move a pile by himself ..... when all you see are legs churning and a bunch of defenders going backwards.

I have been kicking scenarios around in my head where we might be able to wind up with 3 first round picks this year via a few trades .... maybe we trade down and pick up a 2nd and a 3rd, then we package a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 4th, (or whatever makes the package work) to pick up and extra late 1st ...

I am just imagining the possibility of having 3 first round picks and a high second in a really deep draft. Whew, that could fill a lot of deep holes.

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Astounding to read the crap about position value.

A feature back like Richardson will get 25 plus carries a game. A great receiver like Blackmon on a good day eight catches.

To not see the talent in Richardson is to be blind.

This guy is a WOW back big time. The gap between him and second best is huge. Not because second best isn't good. It is because how really good Richardson is.

No question in my mind he helps the Browns more than Blackmon would simply because he will get way more touches and he can get to the end zone from anywhere on the field.

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And actually, since it's a passing league....I'd put Claiborne ahead of Richardson on my want list because he can team up with Haden to straight kill the opposing teams passing attack. Make teams one-dimensional against us and watch us start winning.

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