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Oof,

I want nothing to do with Sanchez. That guy is the pinnacle of mediocrity. He literally does nothing.

Colt at least adds to the team by securing a higher draft pick.

Sanchez has done nothing on a team stacked with talent all around. I can't even imagine how bad he would have looked here in Cleveland.

Teaching routes to NFL receivers and South Florida players probably is the same thing.

Haha, I noticed that too.

I replayed it a couple times and was like,

And the one pass was thrown really high, making the receiver really have to go up for it ....... throwing against air.

He put the ball where you want it on that play every single time.

Personally, I would want the ball thrown into the receivers hands for an easy catch when throwing against air ...... but maybe that's just me.

I didn't really have a problem with the ball placement. I'm not expert but they were all catchable and should be caught by NFL wide receivers. I'm not going to complain that a ball was a foot higher than perfect on a 30 yard throw.

I did notice that the double move route they were running took about 3.5 to 4 seconds to come open and I was wondering if we could give him the time to run that play here on a regular basis.

I have watched every single one of those and Tannehill was by far the not sure what word to use..but slow and not in depth. Watch the other ones if you want a good barometer on where he stacked up. Russel Wilson knew the languages of both offenses, Luck was amazing, Griffin gave you an idea about how the offense is a free for all and to me seemed to be winging it, Kellen Moore really impressed me and that personalized and different Boise State offense, Cousins was good..It didn't flow for Tannehill and you can tell he was thinking about it..Most of the other guys drew Backers told you what scenarios would cause them to switch their routes or if they should go inside or outside..I really enjoyed the show and it is only a show, but I think the kid has a lot to learn. I like Tannehill, I just wish he wasn't going to be overdrafted as he could use a solid year or two to sit.

I thought they were perfect because if there was a defender on his hip and a safety coming over to help the ball is where neither has a chance to catch it and your receiver can easily go up and make it.

Russell Wilson was very impressive, but it was just Gruden's QB show.

I would love to draft Wilson or Moore with one of those compensatory picks. Upgrade that 3rd receiver and dump 2 mil a year for Wallace.

I did learn Cousins can't throw the corner fade.

He did struggle mightily with that throw but Gruden was messed up. Inside Kirk asked him about 3&5 I believe and then they get outside he is saying 3&3 or something along those lines..I don't think Cousins knew exactly where he wanted to throw it. Kirk was trying to be a good student and ask him and I think Gruden confused him..But I don't even think they showed many up close or where it was caught or what the throw looked like..I know the one guy nailed the camera.

Watching Tannehill on ESPN's First Take...

Had all the right answers. Was coached well in what to say. Sounded like Bayless was trying to set him up against Weeden but Tannehill didn't take the bait. He was a little quick to turn it back on himself and profess his self-confidence.

I dunno. I don't see a star in him. He shouldn't go as high as he will go, but stands a decent chance of becoming a solid starter if the team that over-pays for him has the balls to sit him and let him develop. He's gotta have the Steve McNair/ Philip Rivers blueprint or he's going to fail.

Ireland: Tannehill a “great kid,” but Dolphins won’t be “pressured”

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 19, 2012, 1:00 PM EDT
Dolphins General Manager Jeff Ireland talked up Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill today, but he also sounded a note of caution about just how aggressive Miami might be to acquire him.

“He’s a great kid. He’s smart, tough, has a good family background,” Ireland said of Tannehill.

But Ireland also made clear that the Dolphins are going to stick to their draft board and take the player they think is the best, and they’re not going to feel any sense of desperation about either trading up for Tannehill or taking him with the eighth overall pick.

“There are times you should go after a first-round quarterback, but you shouldn’t be pressured into it,” Ireland said.

There’s been talk that Tannehill has climbed up draft boards since the season ended, but Ireland said the Dolphins’ draft board more or less has the same players in the same places now as they did at the end of the college football season.

“Very few change drastically,” Ireland said.

This year’s draft clearly has two elite quarterback prospects in Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III, followed by four players who have separated themselves from the pack in USC left tackle Matt Kalil, Alabama running back Trent Richardson, LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne and Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon. Tannehill is the wild card near the top of the draft.

That’s seven players, which might indicate that the Dolphins are in a position where they’re likely to miss out on all the elite prospects with the eighth overall pick. But Ireland is expressing confidence.

“There are certainly some glaring things that are hitting me this year,” Ireland said. “I have a pretty good idea of what I want at No. 8.”

My tea leaves say the Dolphins call the Browns bluff on Tannehill and let him fall to 8. Them trading up for him was really too much to ask for.

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Them trading up for him was really too much to ask for.

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How weird that nobody wants to trade up for Tannehill. Right? I mean he has more upside than Luck and RGIII combined, you'd think teams would be trying to trade up and take him. I'm starting to think the Colts might take him first overall, he just has soooooooooooo much potential.

I couldn't even laugh at that one. Just .

J/C,

For what it's worth, it seems one of the biggest knocks on Tannehill is the number of starts at QB (22 - although he played in 25). Just for comparison (again take from it what you will), I looked up Kosar's college #s.

G YDS TD INT
Kosar 23 5,971 40 29
Tannehill 25 5,382 42 21

I haven't seen enough of Tannehill (other than highlight films, which can be skewed) to say yea or nay to drafting him. I for one, just found this comparison interesting.

Links:http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1215552

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=2261

I am not concerned about his number of starts.

I'm concerned about his completion percentage.
I'm concerned about his QB rating relative to other QBs in his conference.
I'm concerned about his top trait being his "familiarity with our system" but most of his completed passes are out of the shotgun.
I'm concerned about his team's history of blowing games in the second half.
I'm concerned about his team never living up to expectations.
I'm concerned about him losing his team's QB competition to Jerrod Johnson.
I'm concerned about him melting down when things start to go wrong.

I like his arm strength.
I like his athleticism.

That's about it for me, though.

Tannehill: I'm convinced he is a winner. I have no concerns.

How can you be convinced of that? What has he done? If you have no concerns that just proves you have no clue.

He is convinced Tannehill is a winner because he has to.

A simple, " I don't think he has it " would suffice.

Not everyone makes determinations out of nothing.

Fifth-year contract formula could push Tannehill out of the top 10

Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2012, 5:15 PM EDT

With the top two quarterbacks in the 2012 rookie class destined to be the first two picks in the 2012 draft (barring something entirely unexpected in the next six days), the player to whom the most uncertainty and intrigue attaches for round one is Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

He could go anywhere from No. 3 (if the Vikings trade down) to No. 15 (if the Eagles take him or trade down). Seahawks G.M. John Schneider recently has said he expects Tannehill to be gone by the time Seattle exercises the 12th pick in the draft. However, there’s one specific factor that could push Tannehill out of the top 10.

Under the new CBA, a team may sign its first-round pick to a four-year contract with an option for a fifth year. The salary for the fifth year is based on a formula that hinges on whether the player is picked in the top 10 or the next 22.

For the top 10, the salary is determined by calculating the average of the 10 highest-paid players at the pick’s position in the prior season. For the next 22, the number is determined by calculating the average salary of the third-highest paid player at the position through the 25th highest paid player at the position in the prior season.

It’s a potentially huge difference, especially at the quarterback position. And, by 2016, it could be a gigantic number for Tannehill, given that the 10 highest-paid quarterbacks make considerably more money than No. 3 through No. 25 on the cap-number list.

And so, after Tannehill’s fourth season in the NFL, a team that takes him in the top 10 would have to be ready to give him elite quarterback money in year five, regardless of whether he’s playing at an elite level. Complicating matters is the possibility that Tannehill, a converted receiver, will need a year or two on the bench before being ready to play, giving a top-10 team even less time to assess whether Tannehill deserves top-10 quarterback money for 2016.

This year, the Chiefs hold the No. 11 selection in round one, and G.M. Scott Pioli recently pointed out the value that comes from the shift in the fifth-year calculation that applies at that spot. I also addressed the situation during Friday’s PFT Live, and I misspoke regarding the precise difference between the top 10 picks and the next 22. I incorrectly said that the top 10 players get the franchise tender under the fifth-year option. It’s actually the transition number.

Tannehill also appeared on PFT Live today. And I didn’t get into these nuances with him; it wouldn’t be good for the guest to fall asleep during the interview.

Still, it’s an important factor that could cause a team in the top 10 to ultimately pass on Tannehill. If a team in the top 10 still takes him, that team is buying itself a potentially significant dilemma for the 2016 season.

Wow, what a joke.

"I think this guy is a top-10 talent at QB, but I'm not going to draft him because his 5th-year salary will be too high." Couldn't be any other reason.

Seriously? :WTF:

I dont know how that would have the least bit of influence on drafting a QB. Noone is going to draft a QB top 10 unless they feel he is going to be a top 10 QB in a few years. If he isn't they will be looking for his replacement and will dump him. If he hits woo hoo.

Teams drafted these top 10 QBs when it was costing them 65 million for 5 years. Now they are getting a #1 for something like 22 mil.

Someone either floated this as a reason why Tannehill might fall or there is nothing else to talk about or both.

Told you Tannehill won't go before 10.

Oh wait...no I didn't, and furthermore, that's one of the most ridiculous premises I've ever seen as to why a player will fall out of the top-10.

If you believe in Tannehill, you believe in Tannehill. You won't pass on him because of some 5th year to his contract, a year that he'll likely never see. If he rocks, he'll get a new deal before then, and if he's a pud, he'll be long-gone.

Someone needed another draft story in a bad way and didn't think that one through.

...jc...

I took some time to do a little research of information concerning Tannehill. I wanted to look at how he performed in some of his tougher games.

I broke the games down according to the ranking of each teams pass defense and how each defense ranking in 120 teams ranked in NCAA division 1 stats. I included the Bowl game against Northwestern.

web page

team.....pass def rnk....cp/att....yds......%......td/int...rating....................
TEXAS......#42............20/49....224.....40.8.....2/3......80.4.......L 27-25...
N WEST....#71............27/40....329.....67.5.....1/1....139.8......W 33-22...
OK............#79............32/64....379.....50.0.....2/3....100.7......L 41-25....
K ST.........#103...........27/46....210.....58.7.....3/1....114.2......L 53-50 ot..
OK ST......#107............28/47....309.....59.6.....2/3.....116.1.....L 30-29...

note...Texas' pass defense would rank 7th in the Big Ten
...".....Northwestern's pass defense ranked "last" in the Big Ten
...".....Northwestern's pass defense would have ranked "4th best" in Big 12 conf.

NCAA Ranking of Big 12 pass defenses
team.............rank #...
Texas...............42...
TCU..................60...
Texas Tech........66...
Oklahoma..........79...
Missouri.............94...
Kansas St........103...
Oklahoma St....107...
Texas A&M......109...
Kansas............110...
Baylor..............118...

**NCAA ranks 120 division 1 teams


I'm sure every scouting dept. and front office in the NFL is aware of the quality of pass defenses Tannehill faced last season. His stats, just like any QB who plays in the Big 12, are going to be "padded", due to the poor quality of the pass defenses each QB faced in 2011.

Tannehill had decent game against Northwestern in the Bowl game, but NW was the worst pass defense in the Big Ten. It has to be more difficult to judge a QB when the level of competition (pass defense) that QB is facing is weak, overall.

The last game of the regular season, against the best pass defense in the Big 12, Tannehill had his worst game of the season...20/49..224yds..40.8 comp%.....2 tds and 3 ints......80.4 qb rating.

Food for thought...

More food for thought...

NRTU but people act like 2010 didn't exist for some reason. Texas A&M beat Baylor that year too. And #11 Oklahoma and #9 Nebraska.

He had a completion percentage of 65%.

And for anyone questioning his completion percentage just take a look at the Northwestern bowl game highlights. I don't know if I've ever seen more drops in a single game.

Anyway...just more food for thought.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it here again. If he's there at 22 I'd take him. At 4 there are much safer picks and you can't afford to miss on top 5 picks. We've been down that road before.

Give me TR at 4 and I'll be very happy.

King confirms Ross wants Tannehill

Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2012, 9:08 AM EDT

It’s Monday morning, so part of my routine includes taking a look at Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback on SI.com.

Over the last two years, MMQB has become even more intriguing for me personally because I spend every Sunday during the regular season with Peter, and I see how hard he works on the column and how much care and sweat and emotion he puts into harvesting information and presenting it in an 8,000-word manifesto on the biggest stories in the NFL at that moment. From Week One through Week 17, there’s no natural transition for Peter between Sunday night and Monday morning because he doesn’t sleep until the sun is up.

And of course I’m being a little extra effusive in my praise of Peter’s efforts today because there’s something in Peter’s latest offering that has pushed the pendulum in PFT’s direction regarding our Sunday night report that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is pushing the team to take quarterback Ryan Tannehill with the eighth overall selection in the 2012 draft.

The Dolphins reacted in animated fashion to the report, with a “very, very, very highly placed source” telling Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald that the report isn’t true.

King writes that he heard over the weekend that Ross indeed wants Tannehill, and that the punctuation mark was supplied on Monday. “[T]his morning, I got a call from someone saying Florio was right on,” King writes. “Ross wants the quarterback.”

Peter also points out that Tannehill’s former college coach, who coincidentally now serves as Miami’s offensive coordinator, isn’t pushing for Tannehill as aggressively as believed. Publicly, Mike Sherman has compared his former pupil’s confidence level to Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers; privately, per King, Sherman isn’t standing on the table for Tannehill.

The fact that the Dolphins responded so swiftly and so forcefully could be evidence of frustration that yet another piece of evidence of organizational dysfunction has trickled out of the building. Regardless of the motivation, reacting aggressively to the report sets a precedent that will cause future reports regarding the team to seem true if the Dolphins say nothing.

In this particular case, the fact that they said something opened the door for Peter to confirm that there’s a lot more than nothing to the notion that Ross is nudging the football people to take Tannehill.

if the owner truly doesn't believe the guy who coached the QB in college the past 4 years, then he is a complete maroon.

however, I think this story is make believe.