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Do you think I would be a Browns, Cavs or Indians fan if I felt this way?
All I'm saying is that I'll believe these teams can have sustained, repeatable success when I see it.
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Dude from ChiSox tossed a perfect game today?
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Indeed he did. Never heard of him before.
Entertaining game tonight vs the A's.
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Yup, I have to DVR the Sox replay to watch it myself.
....strike that, no replay found for this game.
Oh well.
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He had to be crapping himself when Pryzinski dropped that third strike for the final out.
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If only Pryzinski had nonchalantly thrown the ball away and started celebrating while the batter ran to first base...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Big night for Kipnis (4 for 5, 3 RBI & 2 R).
5-1 win.
Currently 8-5.
Masterson pitches tomorrow.
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7-1 on the road trip so far. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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It's good to see we're feasting on the cupcakes.. Will be interesting to see if we could beat the better teams in the league as our schedule gets more challenging..
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I think the answer to that is no. I can't see us beating the Yankees or Texans in any series. We have half a roster of good players. The rest is minor league. There is just no way to compete in the MLB unless you spend a lot or nail every single one of your prospects and stay healthy.
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I'm impressed by the tribe. I think they looking great!
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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thank you.
too many negative comments for a team that is 8-6 and just 1 GB of the Tigers in the AL Central.
I don't understand people's incessant desire to constantly bag on the Indians. They are the 1 Cleveland team that has any hope of making the playoffs this year, we might as well enjoy them, no?
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I'm happy they are 8-6, but I don't have a problem with people having worries.
I honestly don't see this lasting, I hope I am wrong, and I will continue to watch them anyway, but I'm not just going to be that happy go lucky fan that will turn a blind eye to some obvious flaws.
My beef is with the ownership and organization. I love the team and always will. I love Manny, I think he's the perfect guy to manage the Indians. I think if he had a fair shot, he could have this team seriously contending.
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agreed however, I hope we do continue to improve as a team. I haven't seen any negative comments from commentators. I think we have a solid team and are building off of experience.
I hope for a healthy season and a trip to the playoffs.
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Dear Asdrubal Cabrera,
Welcome back. When a pitcher loads the bases with three straight walks and can't throw a strike, please don't start swinging at pitches, particularly outside the strike zone and low. You will hit into an inning ending double play, instead of walking in a run.
Thanks.
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They're not going to bring up any of that stuff, they have to sell the product.
I do think they are bringing along some nice young players, but fans have been around this block before, the clock is already ticking.
They went 7-2 on a road trip, and are actually in good position, yet 11k show up. The fans know, and I think they have been driven away by some of the things mentioned.
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Why is Aaron Cunningham on this roster?
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My beef is with the ownership and organization.
I think your beef should be with the MLB. Let's pressure the league into a NHL styled salary cap and RFA rules.
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Dear Asdrubal Cabrera,
Welcome back. When a pitcher loads the bases with three straight walks and can't throw a strike, please don't start swinging at pitches, particularly outside the strike zone and low. You will hit into an inning ending double play, instead of walking in a run.
Thanks.
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Hehehe...ummm...dictated but not read.
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1st place in the AL Central and 2nd best record in the whole AL. Very early, yes....but go ask Red Sox and Angels how they feel about their record.
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Why is Aaron Cunningham on this roster?
I said this out load 3 or 4 times watching the game last night, to me he's terrible, were's Crowe I understand with Grady & now maybe Chew our options are limited but at some point were gonna have to play Crowe Duncan in left I'm ok with and Brantly needs to play and work thru this hitting slump for himslef, Damon as a 4th outfielder and heck Macdonald played left last night,
Too me were using Cunninham until Grady or Damon are ready, & Crowe can play full time in Columbus,
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Crowe is terrible. Horrible. His MLB time is a complete disaster.
So much so that LaPorta is the one who deserves the LF shot if we are going to give it to a 4A player.
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I think your beef should be with the MLB. Let's pressure the league into a NHL styled salary cap and RFA rules.
I have beef with both.
Look, I hate the Dolans and wish they were gone, but it's not all on them. It's obvious there is an unfair balance league wide. Problem is, there is no reason to change it. Every owner is doing well enough, the players are paid great, the fans in the biggest markets are all happy because they compete every single year, or at least have hope. Guess who that leaves out? Yup, us. Fans in small markets. We get screwed and it leaves them no reason to change the current set up. Even if they did the players would just strike like they did in 1994.
I think the Dolans and some of these owners use that as a crutch to do nothing though.
The fans have answered that as well. Announced attendance last night was less than 10k. Do you think the Dolans care? Nope, they're still making money. They would rather have this situation, then spend a few extra bucks on trying to get better and maybe getting better crowds.
MLB has alienated me. The only thing I care about is the Tribe. I haven't watched a World Series in 7 years. I don't care anymore. I grew up a huge baseabll fan, but am now tired of this cycle of trading away players for prospects. You build your team up, and then you have a short window of what, 2 years, before you have to send away fan favorite players? Meanwhile, other teams in New York and Chicago and Los Angeles, and Boston get to keep their guys as long as they want, on top of ripping players from smaller markets?
I watch the Indians, I follow the Indians, I could care less about anything else in Major League Baseball. It's no longer the national pasttime, and probably will never be again at this rate.
Man I used to know it all, who had the lead in HR's, batting average, wins, ERA, etc.. Now I just could care less. It's really sad.
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yes, I think the Dolans care that the situation in Cleveland has become so toxic that they cannot get more than 10K fans to show up for a 1st place team. the more fans show up, the more fans buy merchandise/concessions/etc. the more money they make. I also think that unless something drastically changes in the next 3-6 years the team is going to be called the San Antonio Rodeo's or the Portland Lumberjack's or something similar. The lease is going to be up in 2015 and then there is a series of 3year lease options. The Dolan's could likely sell, the new owners give it a few years to say they tried, and then leave. Thanks for making me think of such a downer outcome that isn't farfetched given the current state of the fan-team relationship while the team is in 1st place 
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I don't think they'll move. That's just me.
When I say the Dolans don't care, I mean they don't care enough to actually do something to push this team over. Casey Kotchman? Aaron Cunningham? When you went out and Got Ubaldo Jiminez making this window even shorter? Really Paul and Larry?
I'm happy they're in first place, but I can't ignore flaws. Just like we did as Browns fans when they were 2-1 after 3 games. Cleveland fans aren't stupid.
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Grady was a mistake. Maybe he'll pay off late like the Kenny acquisition in 2007, we'll see.
Lowe was a good move.
Kotchman was what was left (and our attempt at re-creating Hannahan at 1B). Pena said no to more money. Beltran had no desire to come here.
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MLB's issue now is that not only are small market teams at a disadvantage in terms of overall payroll, but now players are smart enough to see the advantages of going to the bigger markets enough that they will take less money to go there.
Carlos Pena went to TB (not a big market, obviously, but a better team overall. they are the exception due to wealth of young talent currently).
Edwin Jackson used Pitt to drive up his price in Washington. He wanted to go where they were going to win and have a big payroll.
Beltran pretended for a half-second to be interested in the Indians when he had no other suitors than the Cardinals. He didn't want to come here (last year extolling how much he refused to leave the NL, didn't want to go to a small market team with less chance of winning, etc.).
And there are other examples too. It's becoming an even bigger problem and will continue with the new local TV deals that are astronimical for the bigger markets.
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Guys will come to smaller markets if you overpay them..Unless Dolan is willing to do that, we will be stuck with the same type of free agents we get every year... You think FIelder wanted to go to Detroit?? Probably not, but the money was way more than he was getting in any large market.. You keep on saying pena and Beltran never wanted to come here, but no one knows for sure since Dolan didn't blow them away with his offers..
I still watch every game when I can, but our owner isn't committed in even the short term to put a world series contender on the field.. No one is saying to spend 200 million on a player like the reds, twins or tigers did, but damn, when you can't even pony up 30-40 million over a few years, it's time to sell the team.. We have a nice squad, but still have holes, that will show up against the better teams.. Our offense is a little bit better than last year, bullpen is still great, starting pitching has been ok so far..
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that was part of my point. if the smaller markets with the smaller payrolls have to blow away decent players to get them to sign, then the problem is even greater than the payroll disparity shows.
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The Indians magic number to clinch the AL Central is.... 147
You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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Guys will come to smaller markets if you overpay them..Unless Dolan is willing to do that, we will be stuck with the same type of free agents we get every year... You think FIelder wanted to go to Detroit?? Probably not, but the money was way more than he was getting in any large market.. You keep on saying pena and Beltran never wanted to come here, but no one knows for sure since Dolan didn't blow them away with his offers..
I still watch every game when I can, but our owner isn't committed in even the short term to put a world series contender on the field.. No one is saying to spend 200 million on a player like the reds, twins or tigers did, but damn, when you can't even pony up 30-40 million over a few years, it's time to sell the team.. We have a nice squad, but still have holes, that will show up against the better teams.. Our offense is a little bit better than last year, bullpen is still great, starting pitching has been ok so far..
Yeah I think the front office has done a nice job, but you simply cannot win on just guys you bring up from your system. You have to do more. Derek Lowe was a nice under the radar move, and I was totally good with it, because I think we have a good staff. Adding Kotchman to an already crappy lineup is just plain stupid and doesn't excite anyone.
Like I said, it's just my opinion, but I think the Dolans see this as better for themselves with the way it is, instead of spending a bit more and hoping for better crowds. Maybe the team is a little better and the stands have more people, but it's not worth it for their bottom line.
Thank God we have good people in the front office. I'm not saying Shapiro was the greatest GM of all time, but without his work, we'd be in the class of KC and Pittsburgh. I mean at least we have that small speck of hope. What reason does a Royals or Pirates fan have to show up to any games? (I realize Antonetti runs the team, but I think the book is still out on him)
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it's largely what the Rangers did the past 2 years. the guys from outside came in from trading the guys that came up through their system (like Texeira).
remember, they were having all the bankruptcy issues before the Ryan-group bought them, so they were pretty constrained on what they could do from the outside.
TB is another one built from within.
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it's largely what the Rangers did the past 2 years. the guys from outside came in from trading the guys that came up through their system (like Texeira).
remember, they were having all the bankruptcy issues before the Ryan-group bought them, so they were pretty constrained on what they could do from the outside.
TB is another one built from within.
Yeah, except unlike Texas, if that were the Tribe, Michael Young would have been shipped out for prospects a long time ago, they never would have brought in Adrian Beltre, and Yu Darvish never gets brought in.
Their starting 9 in their lineup is basically the payroll total of our entire team.
They go the extra mile. We will see about Tampa as they go forward. The Indians simply do not.
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Yu Darvish and Adrian Beltre were after the ownership change (and the new local TV deal). Not before (which is when they built their current team). They made the WS w/o Beltre in 2010 though I should have included him when mentioning both.
Michael Young is a decent point (they signed him to a 5yr/$80mil extension in his last year of team-control). Though they still only had a $64mil payroll with Michael Young in 2010 when they made their first WS.
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THere's no way in hell Dolan pays 50 million just to negotiate with Darvish. Nolan Ryan didn't get Cliff Lee, and couldn't resign Cj Wilson, but you didn't see him go sign a Paul Bryd type.. No he goes the extra mile, and gets a guy like Darvish in his prime.. That's the difference..
I don't think baseball is as tiltled as some, but we will never win with this jackass Dolan as our owner. He refuses to go out and put us over the top.. Who knows, maybe if we're in it in July, they will make a few trades.. I'm not counting on it.
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once again, the argument that Sperg made was that you could not build a team from within. I countered that the Rangers did just that with their previous ownership group and made the WS the past 2 years on the backs of those efforts (unless you think Adrian Beltre was really the tipping point for last year's team).
it has nothing to do with their current ownership group, their expanding their payroll from $64mil to $120mil+ or their new local TV deals, etc.
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Because you're a fan. Because you actually enjoy the game as opposed to griping incessently. You go because the pitching staff has been phenomenal and has kept the team in the game all but I think once while the offense has been a sturggle - to say the least. You go to watch Andrew McCutchen - one of the best young players in the game. You go to watch "PRNW" - Neil Walker - the hometown kid. You go because even though the offense as a whole has been a garbage fire to this point that's ranked 30th in most categories you enter today 3 games back in a wide open division with a chance to be .500 before hitting the road.
You hope because of the talent in the minors that's there now that wasn't for about 17-19 years. Gerrit Cole, Jamieson Taillon, Luis Heredia - better arms - all of them - than any arm to come through the system in decades. Starling Marte, Robbie Grossman and Josh Bell seem to be the next wave of outfielders and they're all spread out over the next few years. Several others to name but what's it matter - hope is hope and they all have superior potential which means bupkis right now but should come to fruition in the next 1-3 years to go with what's already in Pittsburgh.
Gripe all you want about your own team but don't bring it to mine or you sound like Wilbon and Kornheiser - uninformed and ignorant of the team.
What reason do Browns or Cavs fans have to show up to a game? They're fans - and that's what they do.
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I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree, and will continue to gripe about the management of this team. Thanks though.
I'm 30 years old and have never seen a title in my life. I'd like to see one before I become senile.
The Browns, with as horrible as they've been, have dumped a ton of money into that team. Randy is paying a guy 7m a year just to get them back to being watchable. If they ever did produce a great player, they wouldn't haul him away for a bunch of could be or maybes.
Dan Gilbert needs no explanation, and with the way the Cavs currently are, he gets a total pass after what happened with Lebron. He also has it a lot harder than the other 2, because NBA players simply don't want to play in Cleveland when they hit FA. That's a fact.
I have absolutely no faith that the Dolans care about winning. They'd like to win, but they aren't going to let their checkbook take a dent in doing so. They're the worst owners in town by a mile.
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You are right, at least the Browns and The Cavs are trying. I think thats the point thas being missed. Yeah they suck right now but their is some hope, even if it may be false hope.
What hope is their in baseball? Because as much as the small market teams can be thrilled with the young talent in their farm system, you know in a few years those players that turn into studs will go play for a team willing to pay them big bucks.
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if you have a good FO who drafts well, then you replace those players as they grow through the system.
take Carlos Santana. we will have him for the first 8 years of his career (through 2017) and yet people are already discussing him as if he's gone. it's ridiculous.
yes, the game it tilted, yes it makes it tougher to compete. but to suggest it's impossible is silly especially when teams like the Rangers did just that (even if they didn't quite win - and now are different). the Rays have been doing it for years now. the Reds built their team that way. the Pirates could be building their team up or the Astros, etc.
and, even when the team is in 1st place, people still don't show up. it's why I think the team will move. the situation is toxic in the city (and yes, a big part of that blame goes on the FO/ownership too - but let's not leave the fans out of the blame party).
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