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if he was a legarrate blount where he was an extremely talented player but a complete mess in the head then I'd do it. Problem is IMO he's really just not that good.

7th would be worth the no risk. Maybe practice squad and have him learn how to be prepare to be a football player and how to be a football player. I see enough potential to take a shot albeit a small shot but thats what 7th rounders are for.

I'll say that if a guy like Burfict is sitting in the late 6th or in the 7th, why not take him? Ok, so he's a head case and it's likely he won't pan out. How many 6th and 7th rounders DO pan out? Not many.

To me, 6th and 7th rounders are all low risk, high reward guys. You're making sure they don't fall to the UDFA ranks, and if you get rid of them, it isn't like you passed up on some stud and struck out.

JMHO

we've already got plenty of fans to blame coaching.

Exactly.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/20...-recent-results


2012 NFL Draft: Cleveland Browns draft picks, needs and recent results
PUBLISHED Wednesday, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:56 am EDT
LAST UPDATED 23 hours and 26 minutes ago
Thomas Emerick Sporting News


The Cleveland Browns sit in prime position to shake up the top 10 in the 2012 NFL Draft. After taking Colt McCoy in 2010 and starting him the past two seasons, Cleveland has been outwardly supportive of its signal-caller — but the public isn't totally buying it.

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill and his rising draft stock will be available at pick No. 4, while potential trade partners like the Dolphins sit a few spots back. Meanwhile, Cleveland possesses great needs at wide receiver and running back, where Justin Blackmon or Trent Richardson could provide the answer. Then there's the top defensive player on everyone's board in cornerback Morris Claiborne, at a value perhaps too hard to ignore.

2012 NFL Draft: Latest mock draft | Team-by-team picks | SN's Top 40 prospects

Fortunately for Cleveland, it also holds the 22nd pick thanks to the trade with Atlanta last year involving Julio Jones. With 14 picks in total, and six in the first four rounds, the Browns can finally build around McCoy — or perhaps their new quarterback of the future.

Greg Little has flashed potential in the passing game, but the Browns could still use a stud No. 1 receiver. Running back presents a more glaring need after the departure of Peyton Hillis and lack of anything else impressive in the stable, and there's the most highly regarded RB prospect since Adrian Peterson in Richardson.

Cleveland possesses arguably the league's best left tackle-center tandem in Joe Thomas and Alex Mack, but the line was miserable at the other spots last season. Middle linebacker D'Qwell Jackson has also shined despite far inferior pieces surrounding in his LB unit.

Top team needs: WR, G/RT, RB, OLB

2012 Draft Picks (Round-Pick): 1-4, 1-22 from Atlanta, 2-5, 3-4, 4-5, 4-23 from Atlanta, 5-4, 5-25 from Denver, 6-5, 6-35 (compensatory), 6-36 (compensatory), 7-4, 7-38 (compensatory), 7-40 (compensatory).

Profiles in Top 40: Cal's Kendricks | USC's Perry | Stanford's Martin | Wisconsin's Konz

Studs: DE | DT | S | CB | ILB | OLB | Five-year review

Best options, including round and factoring value for draft position:

WR: Justin Blackmon (1, pick 4 or by trading down in top 10), Michael Floyd (1, pick 22), Kendall Wright (1, pick 22), Stephen Hill (1, pick 22), Alshon Jeffery (1-2), Rueben Randle (2), Mohamed Sanu (2), Nick Toon (2), Juron Criner (3), Marvin Jones (3), T.Y. Hilton (3), Chris Givens (3), Brian Quick (3), Greg Childs (3)

G: Cordy Glenn (1, pick 22), Kelechi Osemele (2), Kevin Zeitler (2), Jeff Allen (3), Amini Silatolu (3), Ben Jones (4), Brandon Washington (4), Senio Kelemete (4), Brandon Brooks (4), James Brown (4)

RT: Jonathan Martin (1, pick 22), Zebrie Sanders (3), Bobby Massie (3). Mitchell Schwartz, Tony Bergstrom (3), Andrew Datko (3-4), James Brown (3-4), Brandon Brooks (4), Nate Potter (4), Lucas Nix (4)

RB: Trent Richardson (1, pick 4), Lamar Miller (1, pick 22), Chris Polk (2), Martin (2), David Wilson (2), Isaiah Pead (3-4), LaMichael James (3-4), Robert Turbin (3-4), Bernard Pierce (3-4).

OLB: Zach Brown (2), Ronnell Lewis (2), Lavonte David (2-3), Mychal Kendricks (2-3), Vinny Curry (2-3), Billy Winn (3), Bobby Wagner (3), Sean Spence (3-4), Josh Kaddu (3-4), Keenan Robinson (3-4), Nigel Bradham (3-4).

Perhaps too good to pass up in top 5:

CB: Morris Claiborne (1)

If they decide to fast-track or end the McCoy era:

QB: Ryan Tannehill (1), Brandon Weeden (1-2), Brock Osweiler (3).

Ugly cycle: These four teams can't miss on first-round picks

2011 Draft picks (round-pick): DT Phil Taylor (1-21), DE Jabaal Sheard (2-5), WR Greg Little (2-27), TE Jordan Cameron (4-5), RB Owen Marecic (4-27), DB Buster Skrine (5-6), T Jason Pinkston (5-19), DB Eric Hagg (7-45)

First-round picks of past 10 years: DT Phil Taylor (2011), CB Joe Haden (2010), C Alex Mack (2009), T Joe Thomas (2007), LB Kamerion Wimbley (2006), WR Braylon Edwards (2005), TE Kellen Winslow Jr. (2004), C Jeff Faine (2003), William Green (2002).

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2012 NFL Draft: What the Browns Could Do to Make Headlines in a Good Way


To all Cleveland Browns fans out there, there seems to be a plethora of articles talking about the Browns and what they should do, what they should have done and didn't, their mistakes, their revolving door, how they destroy quarterbacks' careers. And to top it all off, many supposed agents are telling media members that they do not want their clients to go to Cleveland.

What is the common theme? Negativity.

Most articles written involving the Browns are very negative, talking about how they are a bottom feeder and that they will never win. Cleveland is the only team that can be related to the factory of sadness.

Even this off-season, much of the local and national media are already turning negative because either the Browns did not spend enough in free agency (although the best teams never do), should have given a fourth first-rounder for RG3, or are complaining because they want to stick with all white for the home jerseys again this year.

To this, I decided to sit down and figure out what would be the best possible outcome during the draft that is feasible at this point and could have experts finally writing good things about the Browns. Here comes my first dream mock first-round picks for the Cleveland Browns:

Disclaimer: Before you get mad with my first pick please read through them all.

With the 4th overall pick in the draft... The Browns trade the 4th overall pick to the Rams for their 6th overall pick and the second-rounder they received from the Redskins, which is the 39th overall pick.
Trent Richardson making defenses look silly

The Rams go on to select Justin Blackmon, as most experts expect. Next is the Bucs, who I think will stick with Morris Claiborne because when you look at their roster, as Browns fans know, having Eric Wright as a starting CB means you need an upgrade badly. And as I see it, I believe that upgrading over Wright compared to LeGarrette Blount is a better choice.



Whew, now the Browns finally get to draft. With the 6th overall pick in the draft... The Browns select RB Trent Richardson.

Now, as you all read this, you are thinking to yourself, this is not new, everyone is predicting the Browns to pick Richardson. Well, yes, he is the best running back, and that fills a need for the Browns. The best WR is off the board, and with Morris off as well, not only does Trent fill a huge need, he is also the best player available.

Now here comes the tricky part, folks. As rumored by some, the Dallas Cowboys have mentioned possibly moving down a couple spots to get more picks. This gives the Browns an opportunity to make my dreams come true.

With the 14th overall pick, the Cowboys trade their pick to the Browns for their 22nd pick and the second-rounder gained from the Rams.

With the 14th overall pick in the draft... The Browns select Michael Floyd.

In recent weeks there have been some scouts that say after a year of experience, Floyd will become a better receiver than Blackmon and could possibly pass him half way through the season.
Trade down and risk the possibility to lose Richardson for a chance to get him and Floyd or not?
Trade down, the risk is worth it! No, just take Richardson, he is too good! Both are bad, DRAFT TANNEHILL! Submit Vote vote to see results

When I look at it, the gap between Blackmon and Floyd is not so wide. Blackmon had better college performances but had a great QB throwing to him, while Floyd had poor passes thrown to him all year and still blew the top off defenses. With Floyd doing more with less and having the more prototypical size, I believe he might actually be a better WR and could be a steal at 14, as long as Jacksonville does not take him first.





With these 2 trades, the Browns could finally have play-makers on the offensive side of the ball and could bring us closer to contention. Coupled with a pick of Mike Adams or Bobbie Massie with our second round pick to fix the right side of the line, the Browns could possibly pull a Bengals-type year and make the playoffs.

Here's a look at the Draft Value chart (which no one really knows how accurate it is anymore, thanks Daniel Snyder).

Browns Trade
Worth Browns Get Worth
4th pick 1800 6th pick 1600
22nd pick 780 14th pick 1100
68th pick 255 81th pick 185
132th pick 40
Total 2875 2885
Rams Trade Rams Get
6th pick 1600 4th pick 1800
39th pick 510 68th pick 255
132th pick 40
Total 2110 2095
Dallas Trade Dallas Gets
14th pick 1100 22th pick 780
81th pick 185 39th pick 510
total 1285 1290
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After Day 1 of the draft, analysts will be praising the Browns for the first time in years because they secured themselves the best running-back to come out of the draft since Adrian Peterson and picked up arguably the best receiver as well in Floyd.

This also brings a side benefit of making Browns general manager Tom Heckert look like a draft king.

It may also bring some good publicity for president Mike Holmgren to help save face for his comments suggesting that the deal with the Rams was as good as a deal would have been with Redskins.

By giving the Browns the second-rounder, the Rams would prove Holmgren right. St. Louis could have skipped all the draft day trades and done this earlier by trading with Cleveland and would have had two first-rounders this year instead of waiting. (A little bit of me wants this trade to happen just so I can write an article on how the Big Show was right in his comment.)

But as mentioned, this is only a dream. For this to work, the Browns will have to dodge quite a few ifs and possibilities for things to go wrong.

This is assuming the Bucs don't take T-Rich, the Jags or anyone else before pick 14 don't take Floyd, and that Rams and Cowboys are actually looking to trade.

But hey, a man can dream right?

Wednesday April 11, 2012 - 4:08 PM
Pete Prisco
Better-Than Team: Huskers' David, Bulldogs' mauler Glenn top list
By Pete Prisco | CBSSports.com Senior NFL Columnist


Who's that No. 4?

I remember watching Nebraska football the past couple of years and I always found myself drawn to the guy in jersey No. 4 playing linebacker for the Cornhuskers, a tackling machine who played with great speed.

His name is Lavonte David. Get to know him. He will also be an NFL tackling machine. Think Derrick Brooks. Yes, that's high praise, considering Brooks is a lock for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

But David has the same kind of ability Brooks had. He is undersized, but fast and tackles well and should make a smooth transition to playing weak-side linebacker on the next level.

When Brooks came out of Florida State, there were some scouts who told him he had to move to safety because he was too small to play linebacker at 215 pounds. Brooks told me once he wanted no part of the safety talk, and went on to re-define the weak-side spot in the NFL, a run-and-chase, cover linebacker who flourished in the Tampa-2 scheme.



David is not quite 6-foot-1 and weighs 233 pounds, which is why some suggested he should move to strong safety, the same move Brooks rebuffed. Twenty years ago, it might have made sense. But the NFL is an "air" game now, which means the old-time strong safeties are now linebackers who can run.

David, who is from Miami, fits the criteria perfectly. Watching him on tape you see a player who chases down plays from the backside, never lets up, excels in coverage and tackles much better than his size would indicate.

That's why David is the headliner of my annual Better-Than team, made up of players I like better than some of the scouts.

David makes the kind of plays that open eyes. He flashes. He shows off that 4.6 speed.

I saw him in man coverage on Oklahoma's DeMarco Murray, now with the Cowboys, in 2010. David did a nice job. I saw him run stride-for-stride with Oklahoma State's Kendall Hunter, who played for the 49ers last season, on a wheel route.

In 2011, he got to Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson on an inside blitz so fast that Wilson didn't know what hit him. He later sacked Wilson off the edge after beating the tackle with his speed.

But the best play against Wisconsin came when he was lined up on the right side of the defense and the Badgers ran Montee Ball to the right side of the offensive formation. David saw the play, filled the hole over right guard to show off his speed, forced Ball to bounce it outside and then tackled him as he tried to get loose for no gain.

It was a wow play. Even when the Huskers were down big late in the fourth quarter of that game, David was still competing. I loved that.

David probably won't go in the first round, but he should. If he were an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier, he'd be a lock. That's the stupidity of evaluations. He's plenty big enough. Some will say he ran around blocks, but I think he used his quickness and speed to beat the blocks. I saw him take on huge guards, pop them, and shed them. He can do it. The one knock might be he overruns plays some of the time because of his speed.

Every year, I seem to find a guy I can't stop watching on tape. David is that guy.

He's No. 4 for Nebraska, a bundle of tackling energy who will be an NFL Pro Bowl player for whichever team drafts him.

Here's the rest of the Better-Than team:

Cordy Glenn, G-T, Georgia: He can play both guard and tackle, but I think he's a right tackle. He will be a mauler in the run game, and has nice feet in pass protection. The right tackle spot in the NFL is weak. This kid could own it for a long time. If he stays at guard, he's Carl Nicks.

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina: He might be the best corner in this draft. He's a smooth cover player who will push Morris Claiborne as the best rookie corner this coming season. Played a lot of zone at South Carolina but has the speed to play man whenever needed.

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford: I love this kid to be the next great NFL tight end. He has big-play ability with 4.4 speed and he weighs 260 pounds. So he might not be a great blocker, but this kid will be special in a wide-open NFL.

Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska: He tore a pectoral muscle last season, which might be hurting his draft stock. But he was a force in 2010. At 6-4, 28 pounds, he is a tough guy who was considered a potential high pick last year. I still like him. He reminds me of Aaron Smith, who was with the Steelers.

Chris Polk: Second-round steal? (Getty Images)
Chris Polk: Second-round steal? (Getty Images)
Chris Polk, RB, Washington: This is the kind of back who will be a 1,200-yard back year in and year out and can catch the ball out of the backfield. He will be a steal in the second round.

Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State: The team that drafts him might not be getting a Pro Bowl player, but they will be getting a quality starter for a long time. He can play inside linebacker, outside linebacker and was a defensive end at times at Boise. He plays hard and tough.

Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State: The raw tools are there. I watched every game he played because I went to ASU and I think he was miscast in their offense. He has a big arm and can make all the throws. He's raw, but there is talent there.

Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia: The son of former NFL corner Frank Minnifield has decent speed, but he knows the tricks of the position. He is smart and knows how to use his hands. Did have a knee scope after the season that has limited his ability to impress in workouts. But his tape shows he can be a solid NFL corner.

A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois: Has good speed and at 6-foot, 195 pounds he's big enough. Was hurt by playing with bad quarterbacks at Illinois. His speed will be a big asset on the next level. Averaged 14.2 per catch last season.

Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri: In a league starved for receiving tight ends, here is one who has good size and good speed. He isn't a great blocker, but pass catching is the important thing now for tight ends.

Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State: He tore an ACL last year and didn't play for the Sun Devils, but he has outstanding cover skills and appears to be recovered. Some team will steal this kid.

Neiko Thorpe, S, Auburn: He played both corner and safety in his college career, but looks like a free safety on the next level. With so many teams looking for coverage safeties, Thorpe makes sense. He started 40 games at Auburn and always seems to show up around the football.

Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas: He is perfectly built to be an NFL slot receiver at 5-11, 180 pounds, although he does need to get stronger. Adams has good quickness and speed that will help him make a transition to the next level.

Nate Potter, T, Boise State: He needs to put on some weight on his 6-6 frame since he's 305 pounds and get stronger, but he knows how to pass protect. That's key in the NFL these days. He might not be a star, but he should be a consistent starter.


Jeff Fuller, WR, Texas A&M: He isn't a burner, but he has good size and can be a nice complement for a team that has a speed option. His stock has fallen from a year ago after a so-so season that saw his yards-per-catch drop, but he has the tools to be a No. 3 receiver. He also suffered a stress fracture in the Senior Bowl that limited his workouts. Didn't wow scouts with his Pro Day 40 time of 4.6 but he was still recovering.

Bobby Rainey, RB, Western Kentucky: He's a small back at 5-7, 205 pounds, but he runs hard and tough. He had 155 yards against Nebraska last year and looked good doing so.

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin: When watching the Nebraska tape of David, I really was impressed with Zeitler. He is a tough, mauling guard. Can get out on linebackers with his good feet. Also can handle big defensive tackles.

Mike Martin, DT, Michigan: He lacks prototypical size, but he will be a good NFL player. Reminds me of Kyle Williams of the Bills. Has a thick lower body to hold the point. Plays hard all the time. Background as a wrestler helps him.

Malik Jackson, DE, Tennessee: Transferred from USC because of sanctions and played more defensive tackle at Tennessee. But he isn't big enough to be an every-down tackle in the NFL. I think he can be a nice anchor at left end and then move inside on passing downs.

Mitchell Schwartz, T, California: He started 51 games at Cal and played both right tackle and left tackle. Had a good week of practice at the Senior Bowl, which could keep him at left tackle in the NFL. Might not be a Pro Bowl tackle, but should be a quality starter.

Danny Trevathan, LB, Kentucky: He is a little undersized at 6-1, 237 pounds, but he always shows up around the football. He's worth a late-round pick.

Brandon Washington, G, Miami: He played left tackle last season for the Hurricanes, but he also started at guard. He is an imposing run blocker who will move back inside on the next level.

Keshawn Martin, WR, Michigan State: Here's another receiver who has the look of an NFL slot receiver. He can also return punts. He was a productive player at Michigan State. web page

Some good names on that list. If we were able to get Blackmon, Glenn, David, Polk, and Jenkins I'd be a happy camper.

NFL Draft Rumors: Nick Perry, Vikings, Cowboys, Justin Blackmon, Chandler Jones, Jaguars

Written By: Nate Bouda
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April 12, 2012
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Nick Perry

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, USC DE Nick Perry is “expected to go somewhere in the second round.“

Schefter even uses the scouts phrase “looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” to describe his impressive workouts versus his actual game tape.

There have obviously been some concerns regarding Perry in recent weeks. Some evaluators believe that he’ll have to defensive end in a 4-3 system which doesn’t help his chances of going in the first-round.

We have him going to Pete Carroll and the Seahawks at #43 in the second-round of our recently updated 2012 NFL Mock Draft.
Vikings

Adam Schefter continues to suggest that the Vikings are likely to pass on USC LT Matt Kalil at #3 overall.

Schefter does mention that this isn’t exactly a popular idea, but believes that the Vikings will do their best to move down a few spots. Yesterday, he mentioned that Minnesota could move down one spot and take Kalil at #4 overall rather than where they’re currently sitting.

I know the Vikings are looking to trade out of #3, but there’s no way I’m making that trade if I’m the Browns or Dolphins. We have the Vikings taking Kalil at #3 in our 2012 NFL Mock Draft.
Cowboys

CBS Sports‘ Rob Rang reports that the Dallas Cowboys have not scheduled visits with either. Stanford OG David DeCastro or Memphis NT Dontari Poe.

Both players have been popular options for the Cowboys in previous mock drafts, but the fact that they added some additional talent to the offensive line makes DeCastro seem like a longshot. Dallas is reportedly high on Poe but a number of draft experts have mentioned that Poe’s game tape doesn’t live up to his Combine workout.

I can agree that Poe could be an overrated prospect but it’s important to realize what you’re drafting this player to do. Poe isn’t going to lead the team in sacks while playing nose tackle, so his “production” is going to be skewed.

Dallas has hosted Alabama S Mark Barron, Alabama OLB Courtney Upshaw, South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore, Alabama CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Georgia G/T Cordy Glenn, and Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox in recent weeks.

We have the Cowboys taking Mark Barron at #14. (2012 NFL Mock Draft)
Justin Blackmon

Pro Football Weekly’s Nolan Nawrocki mentions that some NFL general managers have given Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon a second-round grade.

“There are GMs who have graded him in the second round,” Nawrocki claims, via the Canton Repository. “They do not believe he has the speed after watching every stitch of tape on him in the last two years. He’s not especially physical, and a he’s not a blazer.“

This is the same issue that people were talking about months ago. Yes, Blackmon doesn’t possess elite speed and he’s probably not going to be in the same category as Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, but there’s a reason why that group consists of only a few players. Blackmon should be a good receiver in the NFL, but taking him in the Top 5 is a little risky.

With that being said, we feel that the Browns are willing to take that risk and draft him at #4. (2012 NFL Mock Draft)
Chandler Jones

One of the rising defensive prospects in recent weeks has been Syracuse DE Chandler Jones. ESPN’s Adam Schefter mentions that Jones “will be a first-round pick“

Schefter adds that pass rushers always seem to increase their stock as the draft nears, and now that the league is so pass dominated, it makes sense to roll the dice on guy with the kind of upside that Jones has. Schefter also mentions that his feeling is that Jones will ultimately end up going higher than many expect.

We have him going to the Texans at #26. (2012 NFL Mock Draft)
Jaguars

Charlie Bernstein of ESPN Florida reports that sources have informed them that the Jaguars “aren’t completely sold” on either UNC DE Quinton Coples or OSU WR Justin Blackmon.

Bernstein mentions that they could be looking at using their #7 pick on LSU CB Morris Claiborne, should he become available, but believes there’s a chance that GM Gene Smith could move up a few picks to land him.

Cornerback is obviously a huge need for the Jaguars and both Coples and Blackmon come with concerns. Claiborne would be a great pick for Jacksonville. In fact, we have them taking Claiborne at #7 in our 2012 NFL Mock Draft.
Jonathan Martin

Pro Football Weekly’s Nolan Nawrocki mentions that Stanford OT Jonathan Martin will most likely be “considerably overdrafted.“

“I don’t think he has left tackle feet or right tackle power,” said Nawrocki, via the Detroit News. “I look at him as a fourth-round-type project, but he’s getting looks in the second round and possibly late in the first. He will be considerably overdrafted.”

These concerns have been brought by others as well, so there’s a good chance that Martin could slide out of the first-round. Offensive tackle gets a little murky after Cordy Glenn is off of the board. Mike Adams has talent but is inconsistent, Martin has the before mentioned concerns, Bobby Massie and Kelechi Osmele would be better value in the latter portion of the second-round so you can see why someone will likely entertain taking one of them much higher than probably should go.

We have Martin going to the Ravens at #29 overall but that could be changing in the coming weeks.
Draft Notes:

Oklahoma WR Ryan Broyles ran 40 times of 4.57, 4.59 at his Pro Day on Thursday. This comes just 5 months removed from a torn left ACL.
Dont’a Hightower is visiting the Steelers today (Jamison Hensley)
Teams showing most interest in Boise State S George Iloka include: the Packers, Panthers, Texans, Vikings and Jets. (Eric Edholm)
Russ Lande believes that Virginia Tech RB David Wilson is “the most explosive, big-play back in the draft.“
Western Michigan DL Drew Nowak will visit the Green Bay Packers today (Tony Pauline)
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Charlie Bernstein of ESPN Florida reports that sources have informed them that the Jaguars “aren’t completely sold” on either UNC DE Quinton Coples or OSU WR Justin Blackmon.

Bernstein mentions that they could be looking at using their #7 pick on LSU CB Morris Claiborne, should he become available, but believes there’s a chance that GM Gene Smith could move up a few picks to land him.

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Yes, please!

Tell Pete to put a sock in it. I want David to be there at 37.

I know he's going to be a pro bowl linebacker and we need more probowlers.

If Glenn is a probowl caliber RT, get him at 22.

I know we have a terrible array of skill players. But if we have the ability to add top end high ceiling talent at RT and OLB, then we should.

Jags/Browns trade rumors been circulating for a bit now.

Yeah, but if they're trading up to get Claiborne and not Blackmon, then I'm very happy

"Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska: He tore a pectoral muscle last season, which might be hurting his draft stock. But he was a force in 2010. At 6-4, 28 pounds, he is a tough guy who was considered a potential high pick last year. I still like him. He reminds me of Aaron Smith, who was with the Steelers."

I don't know Crick sounds a little lean for a DE!

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Fortunately for Cleveland, it also holds the 22nd pick thanks to the trade with Atlanta last year involving Julio Jones. With 14 picks in total, and six in the first four rounds, the Browns can finally build around McCoy — or perhaps their new quarterback of the future.

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Where did we pick up an extra pick? I thought that we had 13 in this draft.

i saw that too...

maybe they know about a trade that we don't?

lol

Polian on Browns

We've been debating what the Cleveland Browns should do with the fourth overall pick for months. And, like many of you already know, I'm in favor of taking Alabama running back Trent Richardson.

Bill Polian, former NFL general manager and current ESPN analyst, feels the same way and calls Richardson a "perfect fit" for the Browns. But he also explores why the Browns might trade down in his latest Insider column. As Polian points out, Mike Holmgren's teams often find their running backs later in the draft or through free agency.

Here's a portion of what Polian wrote:

I can't see Richardson falling past Tampa Bay at No. 5, so if another team targets him -- and I think the St. Louis Rams at No. 6 could be such a team -- it'll need to jump up to No. 4 to secure him. That puts the ball in Cleveland's hands, and with multiple needs it could opt to pass on Richardson, move down and set its sights on CB Morris Claiborne or WR Justin Blackmon, whichever player falls to the No. 6 spot.

This scenario is more of a long shot in my mind, but given the past organizational tendencies in Cleveland and the attractiveness of Richardson as a draft prospect, it's possible the Browns could opt to add more assets (likely third-round picks) and address a need other than their backfield.


Trading back makes little sense to me. Cleveland loses more than it gains in this scenario. The Browns need an offensive playmaker more than the top defensive player in the draft (Claiborne), and they can get a wide receiver with more speed than Blackmon later in the first round. By taking Richardson at No. 4, the Browns get one of the elite players in this draft and by far the best running back in this class.

Posted: 1:30 pm April 12, 2012
OU's Broyles runs 4.57, solidifies mid-round status

By Jeff Reynolds | NFLDraftScout.com

Oklahoma wide receiver Ryan Broyles shouldn't be surprised if he's celebrating April 27 after turning in an effort he's very happy with on Thursday.

Not a first-round prospect because of his size and average speed, Broyles is admittedly quicker than he is fast, a precise route-runner whose quickness in short areas helps him elude tacklers after separating from coverage.

He showed more than adequate speed Thursday at his delayed pro day, clocking at 4.57 seconds in the 40 and a 32 1/2-inch vertical jump at 5-10, 191 pounds.

The all-time leading receiver in NCAA history suffered a devastating knee injury (torn left ACL) in November, ending hsi 2011 season, and was an observer at the Combine and OU's initial pro day.

Broyles lacks the bulk and speed to be drafted early, but teams looking for a slot receiver who could also help in the return game should consider him beginning in the third round.

Before his workout, Broyles was in the 3-4 round range and 14th overall among wide receivers in the NFLDraftScout.com rankings.

A few teams to watch in round three: Pittsburgh at No. 86, two spots ahead of where Mike Wallace (86th, 2009) was drafted and Denver at No. 87 would love to add an advanced route-runner and slot receiving option at this stage of the draft only after filling greater needs up top. But clubs well ahead of them -- Buffalo (71), Miami (72, 73), Houston (76) and Chicago (79) have more immediate receiver concerns and could be shopping the middle rounds if they miss out on top-ranked receivers in the first round. web page

Janoris Jenkins “kept smoking” at North Alabama
Posted by Evan Silva on April 12, 2012, 7:17 PM EDT
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Cornerback prospect Janoris Jenkins was kicked off the Florida Gators’ football team last April after three marijuana-related arrests. Jenkins opted against the NFL supplemental draft, and played his senior season for Terry Bowden at North Alabama.

But Jenkins didn’t turn over a new leaf.

NFL Network’s Albert Breer reports that Jenkins has revealed in pre-draft team interviews that he didn’t stop smoking at the Division II school. While the truthfulness is somewhat honorable, league executives weren’t exactly pleased to hear it.

“This is a multiple offender of the drug policy in college, and it’s not like there were no character concerns at North Alabama,” one AFC personnel executive told Breer. “He had multiple opportunities to get away from it. He didn’t at Florida, and he went to North Alabama and he wasn’t clean there. … It was more of the same.”

Several, if not most, NFL evaluators consider Jenkins the second best on-field cornerback prospect in the 2012 draft, behind only LSU’s Morris Claiborne. But Jenkins may not even be drafted in the first round.

“He gets to North Alabama, and he’s still smoking because he’s got this big-fish, little-pond thing going,” one NFC executive said. “I don’t see him going in the first round, and a lot of teams have him off their board completely.”

An AFC college scout told Breer that he doesn’t believe Jenkins is a bad guy. But he still would want no part of Jenkins in the first round of the draft.

“He’s not a bad person,” said the scout. “He just makes a lot of dumb, dumb mistakes. He just smokes and [has sex], and that’s essentially what it is. … And there’s just awful decision-making associated with that. I don’t think he’s a bad person. But he has a lot of soul-searching to do.

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I wouldn't draft him.

I agree on Jenkins. He's a likable and talented guy, but he is just party central.


As a party host, I would love to go. As a player for the Browns, I don't think so.

Talented player but I hope the Browns stay far away. Can't beleive Jenkins has four kids already.

If the Browns drop to 6,Richardson won't be there..Tampa wants him or Claiborne..unless they target Doug Martin ,I would not trade down unless it's a boatload of picks.

I trust approximately 0% of what comes out about prospects in secret team interviews a few weeks before the draft.

Not saying it's not true - but reports don't make it any more likely.

My favorite scenario:

1 Colts - Luck
2 Redskins - RG3
3 Dolphins - Tannehill
4 Rams - Kalil (Cle grabs a 2nd)
5 Buccaneers -
6 Browns -

From there, depending on who TB takes, we could either, take Richardson, or move back to either 14 or 15 by trading with Dallas and Philly for Claiborne or blackmon respectively...

Possibly netting us a #1 next year...

Or maybe Philly's two 2nds this year (Giving us 4 2nd round picks this year!)

Hell we could move back to 14/15 and STILL GET TRENT RICHARDSON..



(please. kill. me.)

Unless we could turn into the 85 Bears defense from this draft, I want all offense for the first three rds.

At least I didn't want to throw up in my mouth when our defense was on the field.

Been throwin' up quite a bit lately then...like the last thirteen years...

I saw him put in a great showing against south Carolina. The only time his size was an issue was on a blatant OPI on the fullback in the red zone that wasn't called which ended up a TD to the RB in the flat.

It is such a weird draft and the depth at RB, RT and WR is phenominal. Tier 1 pretty much consists of Luck and RG3. Tier 2 is the next 40 guys. it is really that even and it becomes more about the right guy for the right system than oo this guy is so much better than this other guy.

I can not remember another draft like this. Mike Adams could be the 2nd LT off the board and go to the Bills or he could drop well into the 2nd. Richardson doesn't go at 5, he drops to the Bengals or Browns. Kuechly makes it past Seattle, where does he go? 2nd round lol. Janoris Jenkins arguably the best pure cover corner in this draft looks like is heading to the 2nd or beyond. Coples could go at 7 or ??? he could bottom out in this draft.

Think about Perry and Upshaw, these kids have talent and I have a hard time finding a home for either guy in the first round.