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I'm just curious .... do u ever get sick of being wrong?? 
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 , diam sorry daman but that was funny. diam: do you ever get sick of "splainin" that you're not really a know-it-all [censored], ya just post that way?
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I was about to ask you the same thing
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Sorry Diam,, but that was just tooooo funny
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diam: do you ever get sick of "splainin" that you're not really a know-it-all [censored], ya just post that way?
*LOL* .. naaaa ... i dont try splainin except in rare occasions Lucy ... maybe once or twice a year .. and most don't believe me when i say it anyhow ... 
as for being right and wrong ... fortunatly for me .. i dont need to explain much as I'm right way more than most ...  ...
and quite frankly thats the part that guys like Daman cant stand and where rants like his generate from ... knowing the supposed rude a-hole actually knows his $hit .... 
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Not surprised we're interested in the QB position, I'm just surprised at how much gossip I've read about the pick.
Every report, I look at as a smokescreen. But damn, we have to pick someone...Not everything can be a smokescreen...or we're not drafting anyone at 3. 
This report specifically uses the word "Management" as in implying Lerner...I wonder how Savage feels about this report.
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Remember it was Lerner who spit out while he was being interviewed By Romana that he liked Russell.. Well did we ask how Opie felt about that? Now he appears at Quinns workout and now is pushing for Quinn? What made him change his stance? I get the feeling their both a part of this..
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Being right on this board and $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee.. but that's about it.
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All I can do is put myself in peoples shoes and try to figure things out.
Me - I know if I owned the Browns...I'd be going over to Savage and tell him - I love what you are doing with my Browns. I'm not going to butt in much at all and I don't you know that. I don't ask much from you in the past present or future but to keep doing your job well. I believe in you and back you. But I'm calling in my chips...Phil, this once I'm asking you - Draft Thomas! I don't ask much...I'm asking you this, I want him a Brown.
I know 100% I would be saying that if I owned the Browns. Who am I to lambast Randy, a fan but one who OWNS THE WHOLE SHEBANG...to state I want one of these stud QBs or maybe even more stating which one???
Now what 
Well possibly Savage picks whomever he was picking in the first place...maybe he includes Randy in the process to either show him that is the direction he's going in anyways and not to worry. Maybe to show him he wants also but not at the cost of moving up??? Maybe picking somebody else all together and just hope that he can convince the boss that he is right with the pick???
Who knows...what I do know is that RANDY covets a QB. I've known that for quite sometime. I've known that since I saw a video NFL Network did on him in 05 where he was gushing about Frye's throws in practice.
I know I pm'd a poster in the past telling him that QB was Randy's wish and that I think we would be going QB.
Now if we take one does that mean we do so Solely on RANDY's wish. He's not allowed to put in his wish list to Savage? I sure as heck know if I owned the team I'm going to state who I want. And if we don't get him I sure as heck want to know why?
Now if Randy meddles in every single little thing this is probably not good. But do I blame him for getting excited over a QB and telling Savage...I want him to be a Brown? No way - I don't smack down poster here who want a QB for being a Brown gosh knows Randy has a little more say in the matter and deservedly so...he's the owner.
I think Savage doesn't have a hard time being convinced about getting a QB...for all we know he's the one who got Randy excited about it in the first place???
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Owner, GM and coach all want that signature pick at quarterback. Sells tickets and jerseys and buys the coach and GM a bit more time.
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Remember it was Lerner who spit out while he was being interviewed By Romana that he liked Russell..
Well did we ask how Opie felt about that?
Now he appears at Quinns workout and now is pushing for Quinn?
What made him change his stance?
I get the feeling their both a part of this..
I just question the validity...but part of me thinks this is right on the money...but would Savage let his true intentions go this public? It hasn't been his style...
IIRC Savage didn't even attend BEd's Pro Day in 2005 and last years trip to Tallahassee was to drool over Bunkley (so many thought), Wimbley was an afterthought...
Besides the obvious need of a true Franchise QB and RB, why would Savage allow this stuff to be so publicized? Is he interested in trading down - being the reason we've been linked to all the hot prospects?
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j/c I'm feeling better about Russell all the time. Not because I'm infatuated with his production, but simply because so many Browns fans don't want him. Looking at the popular picks from the fans: Tim Couch was insanely popular in '99 (or Ricky Williams... either way really), Courtney Brown or LaVar Arrington in 2000, David Terrell was pretty popular in 2001 (if Leonard Davis didn't fall), if only the team could trade up for Mike Williams in 2002, Robert Gallery was a can't miss (and people wanted Nat Dorsey at 7 if Gallery wasn't there). If the fans in general are against Russell, he's probably about as safe of pick as there is out there...
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I tend to agree,, I doubt that Savage or Lerner are going to let the cat out of the bag,, so I am betting on them giving our some misinfo... I bet it's a plan 
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If QB is the only choice... PS better trade out of the #3 spot and gains an extra 2nd, 3rd pick. 
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Billionaires don't get to be billionaires by tipping their hand. They don't get the oppertunities they desire by telling the world their plans. I think people who "honestly believe" that Lerner would actually tell anyone in the media his "true desires" in the draft is naive to say the least.
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Ain't that the truth brother,,,,
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Billionaires don't get to be billionaires by tipping their hand.
...and since Junior just got billionair by sneaking out of the right hole, he is "born rich" in my book...and little rich kids tend to "tip their hand" when they want something
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(or Ricky Williams... either way really),
That reminds me, we should trade for Ricky Williams rights before the draft. His arm should be healed and he's had almost two years to get fresh legs.
I suspect he could be had for very little in trade and would be the best back up RB in the league.
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You really need to check your facts,, Randy Lerner didn't come to work for his father until the mid 90's,, he was successful before he got the old mans money,,, In fact, very successful,, probably not Billionaire status, but hundreds of millions at the very least. Not bad for a fairly young man,..
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You really need to check your facts,, Randy Lerner didn't come to work for his father until the mid 90's,, he was successful before he got the old mans money,,, In fact, very successful,, probably not Billionaire status, but hundreds of millions at the very least. Not bad for a fairly young man,..
Ok ,maybe I was wrong sorry....but I remain skeptical....if my father could give me some millions like pocket change to start something and to make even more money I´m pretty confident I could do good....esp. because I could chose my branch
FWIW, I would buy my favorite 3rd league soccer club and turn it into money, lol (no Lerner pun intended...I´m living in Europe and am a big soccer fan)
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Once again, check your facts, I don't know and neither do you, that Al gave Randy anything other than an education.. He may have, but you are saying millions and I doubt that. Randy went to work right out of college in the real estate venture business in NYC. Nothing to do with any of Al's companies until later..
The assumption on your part is that if he didn't make the money, he might not be able to keep his true intentions to himself,, I don't believe that has thing to do with it,,,
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Billionaires don't get to be billionaires by tipping their hand.
...and since Junior just got billionair by sneaking out of the right hole, he is "born rich" in my book...and little rich kids tend to "tip their hand" when they want something
Being born rich or into wealth is not an istant path to stupidity. However assuming it is?
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I wonder if being born into poverty means you are going to be smart
Well,according to some of the "logic" I've seen,some may think so!
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I tend to agree,, I doubt that Savage or Lerner are going to let the cat out of the bag,, so I am betting on them giving our some misinfo... I bet it's a plan
actually, you never know....
savage is all about misdirection...its like poker.....
last year he wanted wimbley, and nobody knew it...
there is no doubt in my mind that one day he's gonna tell everyone exactly who he'll take and everyone will immediately rule them out...then he'll pick that guy on draft day...
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Just clicking.....
I just have to add....People are talking about what the FO is saying about wanting a QB....they are talking about what is Charlie saying....But what they are NOT talking about is what the FO is saying about Charlie......
And that is just about NOTHING. The BEST thing they have said about Charlie is that he is the incumbant. That is IT!!!! That is the BEST they can do. Last year they were falling all over themselves in support of Charlie and they wanted EVERYONE to know it.
Many have said we can't see what we have in Charlie because of the OLine...while part of that is true...I think you can and I know the FO and Coaches can....They know how plays were supposed to be executed they know how plays broke down, and they see far more of this kid in practices than any of us dreamers(would be nice to watch practices and stuff like we can in preseason...lol)....and I think they KNOW what they have in Charlie....and I think that they haven't said a thing about Charlie because they don't know what will happen in the draft...you can't say anything bad about the kid unless they know they have someone in front of him...so now they hold their tongue...they will never blast Charlie publically even if they do have a replacement....but the fact that they have been bringing in QB's from FA and are looking at a ton of QB's in the Draft and theat they have kept their mouths shut about Charlie says that they know that QB is a problem....
The FO is just as likely to take a QB as they are to take an OT or RB. And people better get used to that idea.
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This time I actually am replying to you...LOL Quote:
actually, you never know....
savage is all about misdirection...its like poker.....
last year he wanted wimbley, and nobody knew it...
You know...I don't think that is entirely true....We had clues to Wimbley but no one bothered to put the pieces together....We had several stories on the main board about Wimbley...and we were told that they were excited about the LB's from Florida State on their Pro-Day...I don't have the time to research all the clues that were there...but there were clues....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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I just have to add....People are talking about what the FO is saying about wanting a QB....they are talking about what is Charlie saying....But what they are NOT talking about is what the FO is saying about Charlie......
And that is just about NOTHING. The BEST thing they have said about Charlie is that he is the incumbant. That is IT!!!! That is the BEST they can do. Last year they were falling all over themselves in support of Charlie and they wanted EVERYONE to know it.
Many have said we can't see what we have in Charlie because of the OLine...while part of that is true...I think you can and I know the FO and Coaches can....They know how plays were supposed to be executed they know how plays broke down, and they see far more of this kid in practices than any of us dreamers(would be nice to watch practices and stuff like we can in preseason...lol)....and I think they KNOW what they have in Charlie....and I think that they haven't said a thing about Charlie because they don't know what will happen in the draft...you can't say anything bad about the kid unless they know they have someone in front of him...so now they hold their tongue...they will never blast Charlie publically even if they do have a replacement....but the fact that they have been bringing in QB's from FA and are looking at a ton of QB's in the Draft and theat they have kept their mouths shut about Charlie says that they know that QB is a problem....
The FO is just as likely to take a QB as they are to take an OT or RB. And people better get used to that idea.
Agreed 100%.
I just hope it's Savage making the call, not Lerner.
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I think you are thinking about Ernie Sims who was taken by Detroit at 8.
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But what they are NOT talking about is what the FO is saying about Charlie......
And that is just about NOTHING. The BEST thing they have said about Charlie is that he is the incumbant. That is IT!!!! That is the BEST they can do. Last year they were falling all over themselves in support of Charlie and they wanted EVERYONE to know it.
It's worse than that (at least for Chuck *L*). Word came out a week or two ago that the Browns told teams around the league that he's available via trade.
Chuck is now in the "Brees" moment of his career. The team is looking to replace him, so he's going to get one more shot to turn the corner. I'm glad they are giving it to him, but I'm also glad they aren't blindly sticking with him.
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I do not want a QB simply for the fact that I think Charlie can get it done and outside of maybe vince Young and Dan Marino want QB has come in and been a lift to the team to lift them into the playoffs? With drafting a QB I feel like we would be taking a step back and throwing in the towel for the season. I think we have a chance at making the play-offs with Frye or anderson but I do not think Quinn or Russel gives us that chance.
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No I specifically remember articles on Wimbley before the draft...I do remember that Sims was also a part of that article about the Pro-Day...but I don't remember seeing an article JUST for Ernie Sims like Wimbley had.
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I really hope we get to see 16 games with Charlie Frye starting this year... then I will feel like we have gotten a full evaluation... unless he is just absolute garbage and has to be removed but I don't see him being that bad.
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I really hope we get to see 16 games with Charlie Frye starting this year... then I will feel like we have gotten a full evaluation... unless he is just absolute garbage and has to be removed but I don't see him being that bad.
Who is this "we" everyone keeps referring to?
I would hope the people running this org.have allready made thier evaluations and determinations on what the Browns have at qb.Afterall,that is what they get paid to do.Bad lines,no running game,bad recievers,are just excuses "we" use to cover up bad qb play.It all boils down to;can the guy make the plays he needs to make to win football games.
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I just have to add....People are talking about what the FO is saying about wanting a QB....they are talking about what is Charlie saying....But what they are NOT talking about is what the FO is saying about Charlie......
And that is just about NOTHING.
Wouldn't ordaining Charlie as our starter ALSO be tipping our hand about the direction we may be headed in the draft? I think it would most assuridly.
You won't hear many if any comments on Charlie untill AFTER the draft as it should be for anyone who has a clue about draft strategy.
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LOL, those are just excuses? OK, I want you to do something for me. I want you to go take 4 of the spark plugs out of the car and then go race it at a drag strip. You better win because you not having 4 spark plugs will just be an excuse. There is a difference between and excuse and a reason. Some of you don't understand that.
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I just have to add....People are talking about what the FO is saying about wanting a QB....they are talking about what is Charlie saying....But what they are NOT talking about is what the FO is saying about Charlie......
And that is just about NOTHING.
Wouldn't ordaining Charlie as our starter ALSO be tipping our hand about the direction we may be headed in the draft? I think it would most assuridly.
You won't hear many if any comments on Charlie untill AFTER the draft as it should be for anyone who has a clue about draft strategy.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Whether they believe in him or not you won't here any of them say it. If they say he is the QB of the future than that eliminates 2 of the top draft prospects. If they say he is definitely not the QB of the future than they almost certainly would be taking one.
Either way they would be tipping their hand.
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