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I don't know of a single poster who believes that McCoy is a without a doubt long-term starter for this franchise.
Many are reluctantly thinking that we need to give him one more chance but it is due to the lack of promising alternative options more than full trust in Colt.
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I asked what McCoy does well, and had someone answer "everything". It was a serious answer too.
There are others floating around who revere McCoy .... it just amazes me.
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we're screwed. 
Do we get to play Seattle without their starting QB again this year?
They'll have either last year's starter or a new starter. Some guy named Flynn, I believe . . .
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Browns unveil 2012 schedule; no surprise: They won’t be prime-time players Published: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 The NFL does not use much imagination when setting the Browns’ schedule. For the 13th time in 14 years, the Browns will open the season at home. This time, they will host the Eagles at 1 p.m. on Sept. 9 at Cleveland Browns Stadium. For the third straight season and fourth time in five years, the Browns will conclude the season against the Steelers. This year, the Browns’ regular season will end Dec. 30 in Pittsburgh. One week before facing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, the Browns will have to deal with Peyton Manning in Denver. The schedule was announced at 7 p.m. Tuesday. Some scheduling dates leaked before then. Every team in the league has at least one prime-time game. The Browns, 14-34 in the last three seasons, have the minimum. They play the Ravens in Baltimore on Thursday, Sept. 27. “Although we have known our opponents and where we are going to play since the end of last season, there is always a certain amount of anticipation as to how everything will fall into place,” Coach Pat Shurmur said in a statement released with the schedule. “I think that opening the year at home against the Eagles will be great for our players and our fans. It will be exciting to play a team, an organization and a coach for whom I have a tremendous amount of respect. It will be a good test for our team. “Ending the year in two of the tougher venues in the NFL also will present a challenge. I am looking forward to kicking off the 2012 season.” There is no letup for the secondary, which could be leg-weary by the time the Browns hit their bye on Nov. 11. After facing Michael Vick and the Eagles in the opener, the Browns will play the Bengals and their second-year quarterback, Andy Dalton, on Sept. 16 in Cincinnati. That will mark the third matchup of Browns cornerback Joe Haden vs. Bengals second-year receiver A.J. Green. The Browns will host the Bills on Sept. 23, then have a short week to prepare for the bright lights in Baltimore. Ten days after the Thursday night game in Baltimore, the Browns will play the Giants and Eli Manning in New Jersey. A rematch with the Bengals at Cleveland Browns Stadium follows on Oct. 14, then it’s off to Indianapolis to face, presumably, rookie quarterback Andrew Luck on Oct. 21, followed by a home game against Philip Rivers and the Chargers on Oct. 28. The Browns will play the Ravens at home on Nov. 4 before finally getting a breather. Thirteen of their 16 games start at 1 p.m. The only exceptions are the Thursday night game in Baltimore, a 4:15 p.m. game at Oakland on Dec. 2 and the Dec. 23 game at Denver. In what could be another tantalizing match, the Browns will host the Washington Redskins and presumably rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III on Dec. 16.
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Do we get to play Seattle without their starting QB again this year?
They'll have either last year's starter or a new starter. Some guy named Flynn, I believe . . .
Look at all of the backup QBs we played last year.
We faced, in games last year, backup QBs Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller, and Charlie Whitehurst .....
In addition to also facing Kerry Collins and Blaine Gabbert as starters.
Man ..... if ever there was a time to make hay ......... 
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I think you are exaggerating just a little (actually a lot)... Peen guaranteed that Tebow would be a super bowl MVP some day.. and a lot of people still believe that.. Have you EVER heard anybody go that far out on the limb for McCoy? I've seen him praised during his rookie year, I've seen him dissected, I've seen people say they'd like to see him get another season with some weapons to see if he can take a big step forward... but to say that there is a McCoy lovefest like there is a Tebow lovefest is just not true.
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Read around ..... there are some posters who hold McCoy in Messiah like regard ......
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Well I'm not going on a wild hunt for it because its not that important to me... I just haven't seen it.
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Thanks NFL, why don't you just start scheduling browns steelers for weeks 16 and 17. For consecutive years we will have finished the season series with one divisional opponent, for weeks, before we play Pittsburgh for the first time.
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I haven't seen it either.
Like you said, I've seen a few people who like the guy, and a lot of people who want to see him with better opportunities in terms of weapons and preparation, but to proclaim that there's some sort of McCoy lovefest is quite an exaggeration.
I'm sure there's probably one or two posters who adore him (though I can't think of them), because every message board has a contrarian, but the guy garners far, far more hate than love around here.
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please find me one post this offseason that states such a thing
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Thanks NFL, why don't you just start scheduling browns steelers for weeks 16 and 17. For consecutive years we will have finished the season series with one divisional opponent, for weeks, before we play Pittsburgh for the first time.
we will have finished both of our divisional opponents sets before playing Pitt once this year.
i don't mind playing them late though.
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please find me one post this offseason that states such a thing
I was going to ask if I could see a post that comes even remotely CLOSE to that . . .
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I'm contemplating going to the Dallas game.. Its gonna be the closest one from Memphis. hmmmm...
I didn't even see that game was in Dallas. That's only 3 1/2 hours away. hmm...
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a 1pm game in Dallas? Dallas doesn't do 1pm games at home. also, this falls the week after my boys flag football season ends. i'm looking good for it so far.
The 1:00PM is EST. It'll be noon as always in Dallas.
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The NFL does not use much imagination when setting the Browns’ schedule.
I was watching the ESPN or Eastern States Programing Network revel the 2012 NFL schedule and started to panick after 20 minutes I thought the Browns werent given a schedule, saw nothing and heard nothing, but finally after 20-25 minutes I did hear them say the Steelers finish the year with Cleveland, so I knew we did exsist....
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oh ya..Also they were talking about the Houston Texans making the Super Bowl this year.......If the Texans (Nothing against the Texans) make it to the Super Bowl before we do or the Lions do....I'm gonna snap...
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I'm contemplating going to the Dallas game.. Its gonna be the closest one from Memphis. hmmmm...
I didn't even see that game was in Dallas. That's only 3 1/2 hours away. hmm...
11 Sun, Nov. 18 at Dallas Cowboys CBS 1 p.m.
a 1pm game in Dallas? Dallas doesn't do 1pm games at home. also, this falls the week after my boys flag football season ends. i'm looking good for it so far.
The 1:00PM is EST. It'll be noon as always in Dallas.
yes, 1PM EST. FOX often (usually?) flexes Dallas home games to the 4PM EST slot (making it a tougher day-trip).
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I know one thing is for sure.. we are beating the Bengals this year... not so sure about the Steelers and Ravens.. but we will beat the Bengals.. just wanted to add that. 
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the 2nd game was very winnable as well
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yes, 1PM EST. FOX often (usually?) flexes Dallas home games to the 4PM EST slot (making it a tougher day-trip).
If Dallas has an NFC team at home it would be FOX, if Dallas has an AFC team at home it would be CBS.
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good point. and possibly why we got the 1pm EST slot?
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oh ya..Also they were talking about the Houston Texans making the Super Bowl this year.......If the Texans (Nothing against the Texans) make it to the Super Bowl before we do or the Lions do....I'm gonna snap...
Why? They both have excellent QBs (when they're healthy) and they have the two best WRs in the NFL. Not to mention Houston has a top-5 running back as well. Why wouldn't either of those teams make it to the Super Bowl before the Browns?
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And why should it matter what teams make the Super Bowl before the Browns?
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Didn't Houston also have their team move away?
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I'm not going to point out individual posters ..... but they are here, and they have advocated for McCoy, compared him to Montana ...... and proclaimed his greatness.
And you know what? I wish they could be right. I wish McCoy would somehow become a great QB who suddenly becomes more than he is.
The odds of that happening are slim and none ...... and slim really doesn't play professional football.
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Because the Browns, Texans, Jags, and Lions are the only 4 teams to have never played in the super bowl.. and I do not want the Browns to be the last and only team on that list.... it's embarrasing enough already.
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Almost as bad as using Peyton Manning's early stats and comparing them to Colt's stats is jumping to conclusions and saying that poster is making the point that Colt is as good as X (Manning, Montana, whatever). The stat comparison is only thrown out to show that this guy (ex. Manning) started out looking like show (show crappy initial stats for first 2-3 years of career) and then ended up having an awesome career. A smart person would take that point and argue it by saying why Colt wouldn't be able to replicate that type of growth (Toad does this a lot which is why his posts make sense to me). Many other posters, on the other hand, just cry about how Colt was just likened to Montana. The two statements are not equal, so I just wanted to point that out. It seems, to me, that the posters who argue against McCoy, for the most part, are way more unreasonable than the others. (insert obligatory "I'm not a McCoy fanboy and wouldn't mind seeing the QB talent upgraded, but like the idea of upgrading several other positions with the talent that's available (draft)") statement. 
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I'm not going to point out individual posters ..... but they are here, and they have advocated for McCoy, compared him to Montana ...... and proclaimed his greatness.
And you know what? I wish they could be right. I wish McCoy would somehow become a great QB who suddenly becomes more than he is.
The odds of that happening are slim and none ...... and slim really doesn't play professional football.
so, you make a bold proclamation that many posters think never happened and refuse to back it up.
I checked and all I could find from the past 5 months (so after Colt's season was done):
mac - talked up Colt on a couple occasions and a compared his first 2 season w/ Montana's first 2 seasons. but, also noted that he could very well be replaced, agreed with Toad that more QBs fail than succeed given what we have seen from Colt, and that he thought Colt was better as a rookie than in his 2nd year.
Daman - sort of brought up a Montana - Colt comparison but made it very clear that it was not a direct comparison and just noting that sometimes scouting evaluations are wrong.
Any other mention of Montana seemed to be more in the line of "Joe Montana was the greatest WCO QB of alltime so that is the golden standard"
noone that I could find said that Colt will be Joe like you are claiming.
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I haven't seen one person that thinks that.
What I HAVE seen is people thinking you are crazy for your blaming everything on Colt.
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A smart person would take that point and argue it by saying why Colt wouldn't be able to replicate that type of growth (Toad does this a lot which is why his posts make sense to me).
Many other posters, on the other hand, just cry about how Colt was just likened to Montana. The two statements are not equal, so I just wanted to point that out. It seems, to me, that the posters who argue against McCoy, for the most part, are way more unreasonable than the others.
Exactly.. those types of stats comparisons are great for generating discussion but lousy for reaching conclusions... I remember Manning in his first year or two and even if the stats are comparable, he just LOOKED much more in command of an NFL offense... he also had Marshal Faulk and Marvin Harrison each with a few years of experience, so I suppose that would help a little...
Obviously the odds are stacked strongly against Colt turning into a Peyton Manning
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There is a poster who I got into a debate about McCoy with ..... who replied when I asked what McCoy does well responded "everything". He went on to tell me how bad everyone around him was, and I believe also how bad the coaches and gameplans were. I know that he lamented hos McCoy supposedly can't audible, however disregards that the WCO really doesn't have audibles, but a structure of plays within a tree, any of which can be called based on the defense.
Anyway ..... this same poster posted a picture of Montana with "3rd round, blah blah blah, implying that McCoy could be just as good. I would have blown it off as a joke if this same poster hadn't argued that McCoy was good at "everything".
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Lie. Flat out lie. Comparing rookie stats? Yes. Comparing second year stats? Yeah. But saying McCoy is Montana? Come on man - NO ONE has said that.
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https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php?...true#Post921146I hate pointing out specific posters, but I hate being called a liar even more. You can read some other posts by the same poster. There is another poster who made some comments about McCoy that I damn near fell out of my chair when I read them. He was about as pro McCoy as could be, and why I couldn;t tell you. Anyway, I'm not going to do your research for you anymore.
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Ok, so let's say that's one who thinks Colt is the next Montana.... The way you worded your previous posts implied that there is a vocal contingent of them and based on the fact that others are chiming in to say they have never seen it, then I will assume, at best, that you are exaggerating.
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I believe it is your research when you put out a claim that many claim to be false without backing. thank you for the link. anarchy definitely is higher than most on Colt, but even he and Ottomatic (the 2 most pro-Colt guys I think) have never said he's Joe Montana or guaranteed success. they have constantly said that they believe he is good enough and that if we give him the weapons we'll see a vast improvement. they are more optimistic than I am, but I agree with the general premise (I think Colt can go from below average QB to average QB with the right weapons - anything higher will require a big improvement from what we have seen out of him thus far). other than a picture response, here were the meat of the quotes that you discerned this opinion from in that thread: Quote:
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Let me interrupt the argument for a sec so I can grump a sec about late November.. if you eyeball the week of November 18th thru the 25th.. You absolutely do NOT wanna be driving on the highways that week.. first.. on Wed the 21st.. everyones gonna be travelling 23, 71, 70 and the pike heading to Grandma's for turkey day on Thursday. Then Friday... I gotta think there is HS playoffs about then (could be wrong) and Saturday is the OSU um game in Columbus, then Browns squealers in Cleveland and the bungles playing the faiders in PB Stadium.. AND.. then you get all the holiday traffic going home.
Gawd.. you wanna drive in some gridlock? There will be obnoxious traffic in ALL directions.
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