Thanks for all the responses guys. So interesting arguments in here for sure. I still go back to last season when he was thinking about coming out and I wasn't a huge fan of him then. I think I'm just to the point where I'll have to see the production at the Pro level to believe it. I would put him 3rd or 4th on my board at the WR position and I just dont think he'll be the top WR from this class. If the Browns take him, I hope I'm wrong.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
I know you weren't asking me, but I felt like answering anyway lol.
1. Michael Floyd 2. Justin Blackmon 3. Stephen Hill 4. Alshon Jeffery 5. Rueben Randle 6. Kendall Wright 7. Nick Toon (WAY higher than anyone else will have him, I'm aware) 8. Mohamed Sanu 9. Chris Givens 10. Junior Hemmingway (Again, WAY higher than anyone else will have him)
just to keep this going (and since I had already done it in another thread), here was CleveSteve's extracted WR list (for the Browns specifically, might be different overall):
Childs, Rainey, J.Wright, and Wylie are way up his board compared to ours and others. Everything after Blackmon/Floyd being the top2 (in some order) is completely random everywhere this year.
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State 5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame 8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor 18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina 22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech 30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas 31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers 38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma 57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida 58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois 59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State 60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas 61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas 72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona 95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa 97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State 98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech 99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State 100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.) 109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina 110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo 118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State 123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford 130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama 145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
A lot of separation is made by how you run your routes, how you get into and out of your breaks, and your short burst, all of which he is excellent at, and nobodys running him down from behind and if they do it is 50 yards downfield.
Hes plenty fast, what was Jerry Rices 40 time? Does anyone know or care?
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Size, speed, better hands, better route running. Played in a pro style offense that didn't throw the ball and pathetic QB play. Its a speculation/projection I'm aware.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
Sanu is a slot guy at best who's ceiling is Joe J. Have him at #3 just doesn't even make sense. Then to have an under sized RB ahead of Randle is just crazy. Seems like you're trying too hard to be different.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
I love his toughness, route running and overall athleticism and have him as the 4th rated WR.
General internet consensus had him in the 2nd-3rd round. His value the past week or so has dropped for whatever reason, but he's generally viewed in the 6-10 range on the WR lists.
I know, I just picked that video because it answered some questions about his athleticism. Any video of any player makes a guy look like the next coming of (insert HOF player from that position)
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#1 for the Browns, keep trying though. Also having a WR on most people's baord at #3 or #4 as my number 1 isn't nearly as crazy as having him #17 behind an under sized RB who doesnt play the position.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
Quote: #1 for the Browns, keep trying though. Also having a WR on most people's baord at #3 or #4 as my number 1 isn't nearly as crazy as having him #17 behind an under sized RB who doesnt play the position.
So, at number 4 you want Reuben Randle over Blackmon?
Justin Blackmon Stephen Hill Kendall Wright Juron Criner Ryan Broyles Greg Childs Marvin Jones Michael Floyd Alshon Jeffries Jarius Wright
I have concerns about Hill for us. To fit into our offense he will need to work on his route running. Also, he is currently a purely deep threat wr and we do not have a Qb to take advantage of that.
I have concerns about the reports on Kendall Wright about his lack of strength, high body fat and lack of work ethic. These are issues that I would really need to look into but obviously I don't have the access/resources that NFL teams do.
Criner, Broyles and Childs have health issues that need to be explored. But I really like these 3 guys and can get them in the 3rd/4th round.
Of all the Wr classified as system Wr's I would put Floyd at the top of the list. I don't see much explosion in his game. Also, People talk about the lack of pass defense in the Big 12 but ND didin't exactly have a tough schedule.
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Quote: today is a day to air all ideas. I like it (though obviously from my list, I am not high on Randle)
I am not high on Randle either although he might be a Brown I will have to learn to like him. I have seen enough LSU games and watched enough video(not highlights) and I just don't see it. He has no suddenness about him, no quick twitch moves. He doesn't look all that fast on film but he does get separation and had some good games against good competition. I keep seeing that ball hit him square in the hands on a beautiful throw for a long gainer and he drops it. Not that drops don't happen but when I envision him in Brown and Orange I can't help but think underwhelming. If we take him I hope I am wrong.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Rueben Randle Stephen Hill* Mohamed Sanu Alshon Jeffery*
3rd round Grade:
Kendall Wright (SWR variable applied) Greg Childs Brain Quick And I am having trouble coming up with #10 in the Top 100, because there isn't one, but if I have to make that determination on who is #10
I would say A.J. Jenkins
(*) "Boom or Bust" so I couldn't give them a higher grade.
Quote:
it was open for everyone. WR is crazy this year where everyone seems to have a different list.
Sanu is a slot guy at best who's ceiling is Joe J. Have him at #3 just doesn't even make sense. Then to have an under sized RB ahead of Randle is just crazy. Seems like you're trying too hard to be different.
Rueben Randle Stephen Hill* Mohamed Sanu Alshon Jeffery*
3rd round Grade:
Kendall Wright (SWR variable applied) Greg Childs Brain Quick And I am having trouble coming up with #10 in the Top 100, because there isn't one, but if I have to make that determination on who is #10
I would say A.J. Jenkins
Ok, so how do you rank your other 90 remaining receivers?
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Sanu is a slot guy at best who's ceiling is Joe J. Have him at #3 just doesn't even make sense. Then to have an under sized RB ahead of Randle is just crazy. Seems like you're trying too hard to be different.
Sanu a SWR, that's a first.
JJ I'll take on any given Sunday to do battle with.
Ok, so how do you rank your other 90 remaining receivers?
Sorry don't have time, but they are all outside looking in. Rounds 4 and 5 are a dead zone and really no better then taking a flyer on one in rounds 6 and 7.
With that said I have a few in mind with those Compensatory picks.
Sanu is a slot guy at best who's ceiling is Joe J. Have him at #3 just doesn't even make sense. Then to have an under sized RB ahead of Randle is just crazy. Seems like you're trying too hard to be different.
well, I'm just a ridiculous kind of guy
no, I was not trying to be different, but I wanted to form my opinions on my own and WR is a position that I have watched most of these guys quite a bit through the season.
I know I love Sanu more than most. He reminds me of Hakeem Nicks at UNC. Same amazing hands, good route running, while playing in a pro-style system under Schiano at Rutgers. I view slot guys as the smaller, quicker guys in general, so that is definitely not Sanu. JoeJ is probably his floor, Anquan Boldin is more who I see him becoming (or Nicks as mentioned).
Obviously, I don't like Randle. I don't like the routes he ran (too often just a go deep and have Jefferson air it out to him), and I didn't like that he never seemed to make an impact (part of that is on the QBs, I know). He doesn't adjust well to balls in the air, didn't have the same "fight" to get them from DBs compared to other guys in this class, etc.
The other 'weird' placement: Kendall Wright is the one guy that I have moved down on my list as the offseason has progressed. I have watched more of RGIII when we were in the running for him and the more I watched the more I noticed that Wright tended to not get open initially and it was RGIII running around that bought time and gave Wright a bunch of his long plays. He wasn't great breaking tackles, has small hands (hurts for the over the middle plays), and I wanted to see a Jeremy Maclin player in him and just didn't.
you like Randle and Sanu? it's apparently got to be either or in this thread buddy, pick a side
obviously j/k
I like how you have your 1st round WRs the complete WRs 2nd round WRs the physical trait WRs 3rd round WRs the other highly sought WRs but not quite the physical traits of the above
was that on purpose or just how it played out for you this year?
I really like Broyles. He was my clear cut #2 Wr (behind Blackmon) up to the point that he tore his ACL. I hope that we can get him for a steal in round 4. Just look at the change to Landry Jones after his injury. Jones went from a "sure fire" top 10 pick to a guy who needed to return to college for his senior year to try to re-establish his draft status.
Childs was on the verge of being a spectacular receiver before his injury a year ago. As the season went on you could see his recovery progressing. He hasn't made it back to where he was but I am expectant that he will with another off-season. Which begs the point on Broyles. If we draft him we might not want to expect too much his rookie year.
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I agree on Broyles being a steal in round4. I guess I factored his likely PUP candidacy into his placement on my list.
Childs is very hit or miss but yeah, if he gets back to where he was, another mid-round steal.
Marvin Jones is the other guy for me in the mid-rounds that could be a steal. The measurables of the "top" guys on most boards along with production. Yet, very little is said about him.
Blackmons a beast, he is explosive and knows how to get open.
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This video again?
I guess you also have to admire the separation he's getting from that NFL defense he's up against . . .
I watch these videos, and they always bring up the statistics ...... but I wonder how these guys compare to the elite athletes who make it to the NFL in the upper rounds?
I have yet to see one of these guys test badly on Spots Science. They always look great, and do something so far out of the norm that it's almost abnormal. However, are they that far above the normal person ..... or the average 1st to 2nd round player at their position?
They brought up Burress as a comparison ..... but is that today's 34 year old Burress, or was it the 31 year old Burress prior to his prison term ..... or the 27 year old Burress when he was overall a disappointment with the Steelers?
Blackmon did make some impressive catches in that video though.
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i assume the producers of this show look at the measurables of the athletes and purposefully test them in areas where they will be well above the normal even for a professional athlete at their position.
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