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I think Colt has more value to us as a back up. Hes got experience, he knows the system, and hes a smart kid.
Hell, he ws drafted with the thought of him being a good back up, it was just bad luck that made him a starter.
His value to The Browns is as a quality #2 QB
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But there's the question of whether McCoy would play for the Browns. He can simply hold out of camp to either get traded (I don't see any team that would give up anything for him, expecting his release) or getting his outright release.
I predict that you folks are smoking something illegal thinking the Browns will be able to get anything for him or thinking that he'll even wear a Browns uniform again.
Are you always this condescending? According to you we are all smoking something or the whole fanbase is so stupid(except you of course) that we are a embarasment to someone as brilliant as you.
Cut the crap, not everyoneis going to have the same opinion as you, and if they dont doesnt mean they are stupid.
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They'll get a pick for a backup QB.
Hell, we gave up something for Seneca.
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Whatever we get, I'd love to see us use them to get back into the 2nd.
A 6th or 7th packaged with another pick ain't going to get the Browns up into any earlier round.
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I think Arizona should look at inquiring about Colt.. Heck.. even San Fran..
Why? Why would they do that? Ask yourself why the Cardinals or 49ers would do that?
Kevin Kolb is garbage.. thats why.
And the Cardinals would deal with Heckert again, the GM who dealt them the garbage they're replacing?
And why would the 49ers give up anything? Why not just draft a back-up with whatever pick you'd be asked to give up or sign an UDFA?
I don't understand where you think that the Browns FO can deal a player that they deem is complete garbage and convince another team that the garbage they're being sold is really fertilizer that'll make their team better.
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Not that I think AZ would be interested, but the argument about Heckert makes no sense. Sure, AZ had the bad end of that trade, but they can hardly place the blame for that at Heckert. If AZ didn't agree to the trade, there is no trade.
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If Colt is traded then it will be his good fortune to get out of this losing franchise where he will never have a supporting cast to work with.
Same thing people said about Frye ..... and Quinn ......... and Couch for that matter .........
Oddly enough, DA was blamed for more stuff on the field than any of the other QBs, yet he's had more starts than any of them since leaving here. he started 7 games in Arizona, which is 7 more than Quinn did since he left, and 7 more than Couch did .... and 3 more than Frye started after leaving us.
Anyway ..... Colt McCoy can now be whet he is best suited to be, and that is a backup QB. Maybe from that spot he can learn and develop. Who knows? Stranger things have happened ..... just not too often.
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Not that I think AZ would be interested, but the argument about Heckert makes no sense. Sure, AZ had the bad end of that trade, but they can hardly place the blame for that at Heckert. If AZ didn't agree to the trade, there is no trade.
But they trusted that Heckert was dealing with them a 'bill of goods' as described. Turns out that they got sold a 'bill of goods' but without the goods. If you were sold something and the salesman overstated the item you bought, would you buy from them again? I wouldn't. I don't think that Arizona will either.
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Whatever we get, I'd love to see us use them to get back into the 2nd.
A 6th or 7th packaged with another pick ain't going to get the Browns up into any earlier round.
Phew! I'm glad you cleared that up for me. Boy am I ridiculous! 
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If Colt is traded then it will be his good fortune to get out of this losing franchise where he will never have a supporting cast to work with.
Same thing people said about Frye ..... and Quinn ......... and Couch for that matter .........
Oddly enough, DA was blamed for more stuff on the field than any of the other QBs, yet he's had more starts than any of them since leaving here. he started 7 games in Arizona, which is 7 more than Quinn did since he left, and 7 more than Couch did .... and 3 more than Frye started after leaving us.
Anyway ..... Colt McCoy can now be whet he is best suited to be, and that is a backup QB. Maybe from that spot he can learn and develop. Who knows? Stranger things have happened ..... just not too often.
I wasn't one of those people who sited those guys didn't have enough of a supporting cast.
K2 was at the top of his game (then), we had JJ, then to top that off BE broke the TD record for WR's that played for this franchise.
Jamal Lewis was nearing the end of his career. but was still more then serviceable, so go fish! Buddy 
As far as Colt being a backup. I think that we can agree there, but that still doesn't mean that he didn't have the supporting cast. Every team needs one or two backup QB (if their smart) and they also need the supporting cast, maybe more so.
Oh! I almost forgot to mention that they also had a Left and Right OT.
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I think Colt has more value to us as a back up. Hes got experience, he knows the system, and hes a smart kid.
Hell, he ws drafted with the thought of him being a good back up, it was just bad luck that made him a starter.
His value to The Browns is as a quality #2 QB
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While I see what you are saying, I just can't see how we can keep him. What if he is better than Weeden in camp and preseason now that he has had time in the system? Can this FO actually deal with the fact they used 22 for a backup or a potential QB controversy? This FO will trade him, not risk the above and move on. Best for both Colt and Browns, unfortunately.
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If we managed to get a 5th for him it'd be a steal.
There's no leverage with McCoy now. He's out, he's done, he's on the block, we've flat-out stated Weeden is the starter. If McCoy isn't traded, he's released, so the only benefit for a team to trade for him is to make sure they get a backup.
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Not that I think AZ would be interested, but the argument about Heckert makes no sense. Sure, AZ had the bad end of that trade, but they can hardly place the blame for that at Heckert. If AZ didn't agree to the trade, there is no trade.
But they trusted that Heckert was dealing with them a 'bill of goods' as described. Turns out that they got sold a 'bill of goods' but without the goods. If you were sold something and the salesman overstated the item you bought, would you buy from them again? I wouldn't. I don't think that Arizona will either.
Unless he was injured and Philly tried to pass him off as not injured, I would have to put this on AZ. Isn't it up to them to review tape and do whatever else they can in order to see if they think he is worth it? Or do they just ask Philly if Kolb is good and they blindly base the decision to trade on the answer?
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While I see what you are saying, I just can't see how we can keep him. What if he is better than Weeden in camp and preseason now that he has had time in the system? Can this FO actually deal with the fact they used 22 for a backup or a potential QB controversy? This FO will trade him, not risk the above and move on. Best for both Colt and Browns, unfortunately.
If this FO is afraid of said scenerio then we are in big trouble. If Colt comes into camp and beats Weeden out then good, we should want the best guy out there. Winning is what it's all about.
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They can't keep McCoy on the roster now. If he's not traded, he's released. Emotionally, he's damaged goods. No matter how good a players character is, there's nothing to be salvaged when this situation happens.
There has to be an established #1 guy in this now. It didn't have to be this way, but Heckert made it this way with how vehemently they've made their stance.
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I agree. They have to trade McCoy. We don't need another QB controversy and if they do battle it out there will be an obvious bias towards Weeden as he was a first round pick.
Wallace is an adequate backup, especially because he knows the system so well. I wouldn't mind if they drafted a younger QB late in the draft to develop under Weeden. I don't think Kellen Moore can play in the NFL, but I think he would be a valuable third string QB because of his knowledge of the game.
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While I see what you are saying, I just can't see how we can keep him. What if he is better than Weeden in camp and preseason now that he has had time in the system? Can this FO actually deal with the fact they used 22 for a backup or a potential QB controversy? This FO will trade him, not risk the above and move on. Best for both Colt and Browns, unfortunately.
If this FO is afraid of said scenerio then we are in big trouble. If Colt comes into camp and beats Weeden out then good, we should want the best guy out there. Winning is what it's all about.
IMHO, they didn't draft Weeden to have a QB controversy. They have said through their deeds that Weeden is better than Colt. They have dissed Colt TWICE now and used #22. He is your starter (thus not risking to get him at 37). The "competition" (wink wink knudge knudge) is tilted to Weeden's favor at worst. Again, just my $0.02....if Colt wants to stay and compete in a slanted competition and is willing to accept holding a clipboard even if he played better in preseason, then more power to him.
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McCoy probably knows that his only option is to go to a team where he is 100%, no question about it in any manner, the backup.
If he goes to the Packers, for example, then he might find a game last in a season where he is allowed to play. Flynn got 2 of those in 4 years. That's not going to help him in the least. (although sitting and watching how a great QB plays the game might help him some)
If he stays in Cleveland, he stays in an offense he should know by now, with teammates he knows .... and maybe he has a chance to beat out the new guy. Slim odds, but a slim chance in Cleveland is probably better than no chance whatsoever in Green Bay.
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They can't keep McCoy on the roster now. If he's not traded, he's released. Emotionally, he's damaged goods. No matter how good a players character is, there's nothing to be salvaged when this situation happens.
There has to be an established #1 guy in this now. It didn't have to be this way, but Heckert made it this way with how vehemently they've made their stance.
I disagree with the first paragraph and completely agree with the 2nd.
Colt is a big boy. He should be able to handle being the backup. At least as well as Seneca has handled it. The team needs to come out and state that Weeden is the starter after OTA's and that Colt will be the backup. We already know that Seneca isn't going to help Weeden learn the WCO, so why not at least see if Colt will?
Plus, I think Colt is better than Seneca and still has more upside than him. So, I'm against trading or cutting Colt. Unless we decide that we also want to draft Coleman or Lindley in the 6th/7th round and use them as a QB3 to be a QB2 in 2013 and beyond.
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So Wallace couldn't handle being the #2, but he can handle being the #3? One of Wallace or McCoy has to go.
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Colt is a big boy. He should be able to handle being the backup. At least as well as Seneca has handled it. The team needs to come out and state that Weeden is the starter after OTA's and that Colt will be the backup. We already know that Seneca isn't going to help Weeden learn the WCO, so why not at least see if Colt will?
I think Colt can handle this better than the FO can handle this. He is a class act and if he can be the ultimate team first guy, I hope he makes that known. I hope the FO would just say what you stated and not deal off the bottom of the deck with Colt in a preseason competition. Ideally, I think he would make the best backup for this team right now, but all the egotistical stars need to line up.
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So Wallace couldn't handle being the #2, but he can handle being the #3? One of Wallace or McCoy has to go.
Sorry. I wasn't clear enough. Dump Seneca.
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I just wonder what the value is in trading him. I mean, if you wanna avoid controversy,, well, I guess that's a reason. But, I can't believe how many times people on here said, he's not a starter but would make a terrific back up.. He's cheap, signed and familiar with the system and younger and cheaper than Wallace (not to mention as good as or even better than wallace) Therefore, if you can't get something good for him, then he becomes our back up. Could be that Colt has said, I'm starting or trade me... in that case, a REAL problem exists.. and yeah, he'd have to go. But that's not the kinda kid Colts been so far so I ain't buying that one. Too bad really, he's a helluva kid.. hate that he's not being given an opportunity with some weapons around him. Maybe a change of location will do him some good. I probably wouldn't be this bummed out had we gotten someone other than Weeden.. But that guy doesn't impress me. BUT,, Here's the good news,, I've not been right about a QB ever,,, so, maybe Weeden leads us to the Superbowl and wins..... One must find the positivies where one can right? 
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The Browns need to take a deep breath, look at it longterm and not make another rash move. Do not make another quick decision that is an OOPS what do we do now, right afterwards. McCoy trade. McCoy is better than Quinn or Frye were when they were released or traded. McCoy is worth I'd guess about 3 3rds right now. ( oh subject of the thread) IF McCoy is traded today, then they should consider another Qb in this draft. ( as  as that sounds.) First of all. YOU DON'T NEED TO USE MCCOY TO GET PICKS IN THIS DRAFT. That is continuing to be reactionary, caught up in the moment, of one day, and would be a questionable move. If you need picks in this draft, you should try to trade out of the 2nd round alltogether, 37, for the value of 2 3rds and a 4th, which Miami has right now. The Bengals got 2 #1's for Carson Palmer, but it was during the regular season. McCoy might have better value during the regular season. It's  to think value for McCoy is only 1 4th rounder. Just wait 8-10 weeks when you are out of the heat of the moment.
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McCoy is worth I'd guess about 3 3rds right now.
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McCoy is worth I'd guess about 3 3rds right now.
I want what he's on!!!
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I think the consensus on this board that he's not worth that, is just folks caught up in the middle of the moment that is this draft.
Wait a few weeks and take another look at Colt's career, he's worth it.
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I think the consensus on this board that he's not worth that, is just folks caught up in the middle of the moment that is this draft.
Wait a few weeks and take another look at Colt's career, he's worth it.
I'll buy you an ounce of that crack you're smoking if Colt goes for more than a fifth.
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Keep McCoy as a back up. In a couple of years when Weeden is drawing a social security check Colt can come back in and start. Maybe the time on the bench, learning, will do him some good. Joking?
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