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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
Meh! The point is moot. The 9ers selection should tell you that.
All of the blue chip talent is gone. There are still some receivers out there I like, but no real go to types with elite abilities.
That ship has sailed and is over the horizon and out of sight.
I am of the opinion that as long as we have this FO, then we will never Draft a Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon blue chip WR.
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Here's my thing with the people who wanted us to take a WR and pass on Weeden at 22.
EVEN if Stephen Hill goes ahead of us ...
The difference in Stephen Hill and Alshon Jeffery is not as wide as the difference in Brandon Weeden and the next QB (Cousins?)
We needed to upgrade both positions.
Weeden plays a more important position and is further separated from other players at his position than a guy like Hill.
Not risking Weeden getting picked ahead of us was the right call.
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I Don't think Justin Blackmon is a blue chip WR. Everyone has said he isn't the game changer WR, he was just the best in this draft but wasn't elite when compared to other guys.
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I don't think the consensus at #22 was WR. Most people seemed to want either Reiff or Decastro, simply because they were no brainers in terms of BPA. Weeden would have been fine at #37 or even at the end of the 1st (in a trade up). It just didn't make a ton of sense when an elite guard prospect was there and also the #2 OT (who was a perfect RT prospect). The Steelers never help me feel any better in these situations either. They seem to ALWAYS take the guy I want and that guy almost always seems to be better than the guy Cleveland passed on him for. 
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I do value the OLine, don't get me wrong, but at what point are our fans going to stop wanting 1st round Offensive Linemen? We playmakers. We needed a QB. We got Richardson. Now we go get a receiver at 37, IMO.
We need a RT, but I think we can get one at 67.
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I'd take that friendly bet Top..... Jeffery or Hill will be off the board by 37.
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I'd take that friendly bet Top..... Jeffery or Hill will be off the board by 37.
Alright, we'll bet bragging rights
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I'd take that friendly bet Top..... Jeffery or Hill will be off the board by 37.
Alright, we'll bet bragging rights
Perhaps a public declaration of admiration for the other's incredible draft prognostication skill.
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Is that a fancy way of saying sig bet?
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I don't disagree with that sentiment but when you draft a power runner, does it not make sense to then draft the grinder at OG when he falls in your lap? Sometimes you have to set aside need when a player like Decastro is unexpectedly there. Cleveland passed on a consensus top 15-20 player in favor of a 28 year old projected mid second round QB. It was a big reach. I understand Cleveland needs playmakers at WR but there is little difference between the WR you take at #37 and the WR you could take at #67 (or even move in to the late 2nd). I just don't see Hill or Jeffries as guys who are so good that you pass on an elite OG in favor of going QB / WR with 22/37. Oh well. Maybe I'm completely wrong but when Decastro is steamrolling our LB's twice a year, I have a feeling we're going to wish we had him.
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NRTU.
After sleeping on this ridiculous gamble at #22, I've chosen to to try and find the positive in this, which is that I'm at least not going to be subjected to another year or two of Colt McCoy as the Browns QB.
Thank you Tom Heckert. 
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After sleeping on this ridiculous gamble at #22, I've chosen to to try and find the positive in this, which is that I'm at least not going to be subjected to another year or two of Colt McCoy as the Browns QB.
Thank you Tom Heckert.
Do you think it will be an improvement?
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I am of the opinion that as long as we have this FO, then we will never Draft a Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon blue chip WR.
I Don't think Justin Blackmon is a blue chip WR. Everyone has said he isn't the game changer WR, he was just the best in this draft but wasn't elite when compared to other guys.
No everyone hasn't said that, but your welcome to have a different opinion.
Jacksonville went out and signed Robinson in FA, but did that stop them from trading up to the 5th pick to select, justin Blackmon? No it did not.
This FO (obviously) doesn't value the position like the rest of the league.
They still believe that they can make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Two of the best WR's [Rice & Irvin] to ever play the position said that Blackmon was a beast and a special talent.
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After sleeping on this ridiculous gamble at #22, I've chosen to to try and find the positive in this, which is that I'm at least not going to be subjected to another year or two of Colt McCoy as the Browns QB.
Thank you Tom Heckert.
Do you think it will be an improvement?
I believe in the concept of addition by subtraction.
Will Weeden be an improvement as our starter?
You better not ask me that right now, Haras...
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it was a gret move by Jacksonville... they were in more need of a WR than we are... they had nothing on offense except MJD... I think Blackmon is a great WR but TR I think has a higher floor and can make an immediate impact.
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I don't disagree with that sentiment but when you draft a power runner, does it not make sense to then draft the grinder at OG when he falls in your lap?
Sometimes you have to set aside need when a player like Decastro is unexpectedly there. Cleveland passed on a consensus top 15-20 player in favor of a 28 year old projected mid second round QB. It was a big reach.
I understand Cleveland needs playmakers at WR but there is little difference between the WR you take at #37 and the WR you could take at #67 (or even move in to the late 2nd). I just don't see Hill or Jeffries as guys who are so good that you pass on an elite OG in favor of going QB / WR with 22/37.
Oh well. Maybe I'm completely wrong but when Decastro is steamrolling our LB's twice a year, I have a feeling we're going to wish we had him.
I was hoping we would have grabbed DeCastro at 22. I really think Weeden would have been there at 37. I don't see any other team knocking at the door to trade up to snag him. Between Weeden and WR, I'd been fine with going Weeden, but when Decastro and Reiff fell so far and landed in our laps, it was questionable to why we didn't take one of them.
Now if we can get a quality WR and RT or RG today, I think my concerns will be eased, but until then it is what it is.
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Guards can be easily found later in the draft. If we can get Glenn today we are golden.
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Fleener in the 2nd ..... the best OT in the late second (trade up) or in the 3rd ........ then Marvin McNutt in the 4th. 
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I'm not saying Weeden wouldn't have been there at 37, but the Front Office obviously had reasons to believe he might not be.
Even if you look at it and think, "There's a 80% chance he's there at 37" ...
If you're not absolutely in love with someone else at 22, why wouldn't you take him at 22 to guarantee you get him?
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I'm not on the Fleener bandwagon. We currently have four tight ends on the roster. Hopefully Cameron can be Fleener. I just don't see it. I take Glenn and then see what is available later in the draft a wide receiver.
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The Browns have said that they want to add weapons ..... and Fleener is probably the biggest and best weapon they could add at this point.
Watson is getting old, and is coming off 3 concussions last year. We can bring in a major upgrade with Fleener. Just because we have guys at the position doesn't mean that we can't upgrade.
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The Colts pretty-much have to take Fleener, don't they? Gotta get Linus his blanket...
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The Colts pretty-much have to take Fleener, don't they? Gotta get Linus his blanket...
Maybe, but they need OL help big time too, don't they?
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I think Fleener is a lock for the Colts.
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Just because we have guys at the position doesn't mean that we can't upgrade.
Cameron's ceiling is what Fleener should be as well. It's just that Fleener is closer to his ceiling already. And even though Moore doesn't play (for whatever reason) he is just as good a pass catcher as Fleener.
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Moore doesn't play because he can't, or won't block. When he goes into the game, teams know that we're throwing the ball. Smith is our most "complete" TE at this point, followed by Watson. Then Cameron might be next, but man, he didn't show much last year. Moore is a situational player. We could definitely use a great pass catching TE who can also mix it up a little bit blocking. The thought of seeing Weeden fake a handoff to Richardson ... the defense collapses towards him ...... Fleener breaks out over the middle against a deep Safety ,,,, Weeden hits him in stride, and he runs away from that poor lone Safety for the TD ....... well, frankly, that makes me happy. 
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I could see the Broncos taking Fleener also.
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then weeden woudn't be there at #37. Screw Weeden.
What are this teams needs? Well the whole offense other than center, LT and tailback. on Defense, a DE, LB, S.
So instead of building the team we grab an old QB that played in a spread offense with the best WR in the nation . . . makes perfect sense.
Ruining QB's since 1999.
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The Colts pretty-much have to take Fleener, don't they? Gotta get Linus his blanket...
I see that happening... I think St. Louis take a WR and then Colts take Fleener...
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Before last night?
1. Quarterback
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What are this teams needs? Well the whole offense other than center, LT and tailback.
You say this, yet complain that we grabbed a player to fill one of your perceived needs?
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Guards can be easily found later in the draft. If we can get Glenn today we are golden.
but given that he can play OT & OG, he's got to be Baltimore's target, no?
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Honest question for you guys ...
If Weeden wasn't 28 years old, where do you think he would have gone?
Hard to say, Again, I'm no Guru But from what I saw, he didn't 'exactly light it up in those clips to anyone but Blackmon.. So you gotta ask, if he didn't have blackmon,, would he even be on anyones radar at all....
I"m just not sure he's as good as advertised... We sure are going to find out however......
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Moore doesn't play because he can't, or won't block. When he goes into the game, teams know that we're throwing the ball.
I agree with that. I don't even see why Moore is even called a tight end. Because he is tall and white? They don't even put him in the position to try and block.
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Then Cameron might be next, but man, he didn't show much last year.
Cameron caught only 16 passes at tight end for USC. Then he missed an entire off-season due to the lockout. He is raw. I didn't expect to see much from him.
Fleener would be nice to have, but at this point he is a luxury. We have gaping holes at multiple positions. I haven't even seen linebacker or defensive end mentioned as a potential pick in round two, but I think both are distinct possibilities.
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I don't think we'll win any of those games, including against Luck or RG3.
Are you predicting 0-16? (Not being smart, just asking.)
I think that the Browns final record will be closer to 0-16 than it will be to a playoff spot. I dare say that if we win 4 games next season (even with Richardson), we'll have to consider it a successful year.
The question would remain whether another season of double-digit losses will be acceptable. Holmgren has said that it was unacceptable, but one has to question whether they believe him. Mangini was fired for getting 5 wins, which were unacceptable, but 4 wins seems to have been.
I'll state right now that I expect that the Browns will be drafting in the Top 5 again next year. I dare say it will be Top 3 and the chances are better that it will be the #1 overall pick than it is for any other team in the NFL, including Jacksonville.
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The Browns need weapons ..... and I think that Fleener could be the best weapon left on the board right now.
I hope that he's a Brown come pick 37. I think that he'd have a bigger impact that a rookie WR would,
I also think that Heckert may have something up his sleeve as far as a RT goes.
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Not only that, but I expect that the Rams will take Stephen Hill at #33. I think that it's a done deal already. I wouldn't be surprised that Goodell has already been informed of the Rams selection at #33.
Indy will probably take one at #34 too!
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He would play guard for the Ravens, so I don't think he would be their target. I think the Ravens try and replace Jarret Johnson and select Upshaw (if the Colts don't take him first).
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