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I think it's funny that either of you are making judgments on a guy who hasn't even stepped on an NFL practice field.
This is what we know. Our coaching staff/front office doesn't think Colt McCoy is a starting QB. No one has any clue how Weeden will perform, but if McCoy wasn't the answer we needed a QB.
I think its funny that we're going to have at least 18 more months of Weeden debating. In fact, we should just do auto correct on every post about McCoy for the last two years and put Weeden's name in. I LOVE being a browns fan.
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so.. should i start my "Bryn Renner in 2014" campaign now?
Why not, but do you think he'll be worthy of the #1 overall selection? And who will the Browns have selected with the #1 overall selection in 2013?
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Personally, I'm going to start my campaign for Case McCoy (Colt's younger brother) as the Browns 2014 third round pick. 
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I keep thinking about the years Kurt Warner gave St. Louis after arriving there in his late 20s.... a rookie to the NFL.
Brandon Weeden wants to follow Kurt Warner's career path
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 27, 2012, 3:43 PM EDT
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Kurt Warner didn’t start an NFL game until he was 28 years old, but when he finally became a starter he made the most of it, winning the MVP in 1999 and the Super Bowl MVP that postseason. That sounds like a good path for Brandon Weeden to follow.
Weeden, the Browns’ second first-round pick on Thursday night, knows he has a very long way to go before anyone will compare him to Warner for any reason other than the late start to his NFL career. But in a conversation with Warner on NFL Network, Weeden said that as a 28-year-old rookie, he’s using Warner as a role model.
“As you know, maturity, leadership, how you go about business in a locker room, I think that goes a long way — especially playing this position,” Weeden told Warner. “I use you as an example all the time. You had a tremendous career, won a lot of games starting at 28, all the way through your 30s and had a fantastic career. I’m not comparing myself to you — I hope to be mentioned in the same sentence as you — but longevity-wise, I think I’ve got a lot of football left in my tank. If I can play for eight, 10, 12 years, that’s a heck of an NFL career and something I would take a lot of pride in.”
Weeden referred to Browns quarterback Colt McCoy as “a great player,” but he said he’s looking forward to competing with McCoy. The Browns will have a good pick if Weeden is better than McCoy. If Weeden can become anything like Warner, they’ll have a great pick.
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You make some fair points.
I'll remind you though that it is Holmgren himself that says that 6 wins won't be acceptable next year. He said that 5 wins wasn't enough when he fired Mangini and the team proceeded to lose 1 more game than Mangini after firing him.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I didn't mind the Richardson pick because I thought that they were finally getting some legitimate weapons around McCoy. Then when they chose Weeden at #22, I lost all faith in them. The good feeling I had about the Richardson pick (despite the trade up - which I don't think was necessary), evaporated and then some.
I have no faith whatsoever in them. None. Sure, they have drafted some good players on defense - namely Haden, Taylor and Sheard, but Rubin was a 6th round pick by Mangini and D'qwell Jackson was selected by Crennel / Phil Savage. I won't include TJ Ward on the list of good players just yet. I like him, but I'm not giving him the benefit yet of being a good selection.
Honestly, I'm ambivalent until this front office is dispatched. To take that further, I want Randy Lerner to sell the team that knows that a football is oblong and not round.
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Great! Hey Brandon, here's is where you need to go to begin your journey to the NFL: Giant Eagle Careers
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I thought we lost three in the Richardson pick and then used a pick on Richardson and a pick on Weeden. That's 13 down to 8. 8 Picks left. Of course, how many of those are comp. picks?
We have 4 comp picks, all of them 6th and 7th rounders. None of them are before the selection #200 of the draft. We have 4 picks in the last 50 picks or so of the draft. Woohoo! Maybe we can get first round talent in the 6th and 7th rounds!
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If we can somehow get ourselves a RT and WR in the 2nd round (trade up with our third and a fourth, may be next year's third or fourth), we'll be looking pretty good.
It won't matter. They'll reach for a player just like they have proven to do when doing a straight trade up. Don't give me Richardson because drafting him in the Top 5 wasn't a problem in my estimation.
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I keep thinking about the years Kurt Warner gave St. Louis after arriving there in his late 20s.... a rookie to the NFL.
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Hy-Vee has an opening for a night stocker in the produce department and the Iowa Barnstormers need an QB.
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I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I didn't mind the Richardson pick because I thought that they were finally getting some legitimate weapons around McCoy. Then when they chose Weeden at #22, I lost all faith in them. The good feeling I had about the Richardson pick (despite the trade up - which I don't think was necessary), evaporated and then some.
That's fair. I just think you need to take a deep breath. Try to look forward to this season, or at least give this team a chance, and hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Just don't have your face in the ground and not recognize that we're making improvements.
Should we have let go of Mangini from the start, yes. That set us back, system wise, by a year. But that's in the past, and you've gotta look toward the future IMO. I didn't want us to fire Mangini before his first season with Holmgren, and I only was onboard with the decision when Mangini repeatedly played Jake "Gimmie A Break!" Delhomme over Seneca Wallace. Man did that . me off. But while it was a mistake to keep Mangini another season when you know he doesn't fit the way you run things, you don't want to judge him on it too harshly if the team is finally headed in a positive direction.
There's nothing that can be done now either. The coach and president and manager won't be fired until January (if they're fired). So I'm just saying, for your own sake (so your spring, summer, and early fall can be better), go into this year with an open mind instead of being negative and upset. YTown came around (although all it took was replacing Colt, lol). Wait until mid-season and the off-season before condemning this regime and running them out of town.
It's no fun beginning the season with the idea that the team is hopeless. That's what New York Mets fans do. And those folks are a sorry bunch
Just give them their fair chance
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Just for clarification, Rubin was also a pick by Savage.
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Brandon Weeden wants to follow Kurt Warner's career path
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 27, 2012, 3:43 PM EDT
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Kurt Warner didn’t start an NFL game until he was 28 years old, but when he finally became a starter he made the most of it, winning the MVP in 1999 and the Super Bowl MVP that postseason. That sounds like a good path for Brandon Weeden to follow.
Weeden, the Browns’ second first-round pick on Thursday night, knows he has a very long way to go before anyone will compare him to Warner for any reason other than the late start to his NFL career. But in a conversation with Warner on NFL Network, Weeden said that as a 28-year-old rookie, he’s using Warner as a role model.
“As you know, maturity, leadership, how you go about business in a locker room, I think that goes a long way — especially playing this position,” Weeden told Warner. “I use you as an example all the time. You had a tremendous career, won a lot of games starting at 28, all the way through your 30s and had a fantastic career. I’m not comparing myself to you — I hope to be mentioned in the same sentence as you — but longevity-wise, I think I’ve got a lot of football left in my tank. If I can play for eight, 10, 12 years, that’s a heck of an NFL career and something I would take a lot of pride in.”
Weeden referred to Browns quarterback Colt McCoy as “a great player,” but he said he’s looking forward to competing with McCoy. The Browns will have a good pick if Weeden is better than McCoy. If Weeden can become anything like Warner, they’ll have a great pick.
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If Weeden can become anything like Warner, they’ll have a great pick.
Love the Kurt Warner story. You know, he wasnt that bad as a Giant either, they just thought he was washed up with his hurt thumb and immediately put in Eli (although the Giants were having a winning season).
Kurt's got a quick release and can throw the ball when the heat is coming. He credited the AFL or whatever for that. I sure hope that Weeden can do that too, especially if we can't figure out this RT situation.
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Someone asked about T-Rich's number in that thread. Made me think, does anyone know what number Weeden is going to wear? Gotta get me a jersey
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I see what you did there 
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Weeden wore #3 in college, but that number is retired. Derek Anderson.
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If Weeden can become anything like Warner, they’ll have a great pick.
Love the Kurt Warner story. You know, he wasnt that bad as a Giant either, they just thought he was washed up with his hurt thumb and immediately put in Eli (although the Giants were having a winning season).
Kurt's got a quick release and can throw the ball when the heat is coming. He credited the AFL or whatever for that. I sure hope that Weeden can do that too, especially if we can't figure out this RT situation.
Problem, of course, is that they are nothing alike in their stories. Warner played football out of college for years before the NFL. Weeden was playing baseball. Drew Henson is a better comparison.
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Even Henson is not a good comparison. Henson played college football, then baseball, then football again.
Chris Weinke is the only guy that I can think of that played minor league baseball, then went back to college and played football, then to the NFL. Let's hope Weeden is more successful than Weinke.
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Chris Weinke is the only guy that I can think of that played minor league baseball, then went back to college and played football, then to the NFL. Let's hope Weeden is more successful than Weinke.
I thought Weinke was in the military too
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Weeden wore #3 in college, but that number is retired. Derek Anderson.
TRich wore #3 also... who is the next BPA who wore #3?
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Hilarious stuff dude. Really!
Sorry bud, you, YOU were the one griping about all of colt's shortcomings last year. YOU were constantly ripping on him as being the reason for our suckiness on offense, regardless of any of the facts of having NO running game, etc, etc. YOU constantly blamed Colt for ALL problems on offense.
You got your wish. We drafted a first round qb. However, you seem to be backing off your expectations already. ALREADY?????
Must be neat to live in your world. Seriously - go back and read your posts from this past season and off season.
Hey, bud, you got your wish.
I'm expecting 8-8 at a MINIMUM. If we don't hit that with your first round qb and a stud r.b..............can them all, right?
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Comparing Weeden to Warner is laughable. MM, Little, and Norwood could carry Bruce's, Holt's or Proal's luggage. But I guess according to the Colt haters Weeden (or most other QBs) should make these jokers into HOF types. Right?
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Comparing Weeden to Warner is laughable. MM, Little, and Norwood could carry Bruce's, Holt's or Proal's luggage. But I guess according to the Colt haters Weeden (or most other QBs) should make these jokers into HOF types. Right?
Being a Colt "hater" and a Weeden supporter have nothing to do with each other. I personally think both QBs suck.
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I'm expecting 8-8 at a MINIMUM. If we don't hit that with your first round qb and a stud r.b..............can them all, right?
What if Weeden gets injured? What if Joe Thomas gets injured? What if Joe Haden gets injured?
Bad things can happen in a season. I think putting records down as the mark as to whether we fire an organization or not is ridiculous. Let's watch the games, understand the circumstances, and make a decision based on that
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What if the offense scores 30+ points/game yet we still end up with only 4 wins because the defense falls apart?
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Sick of everyone jumping on Weeden as if he is some scrub. He outplayed all the other QBs selected before him when he played them head to head. His only knock at this point is his age. He's got the size, smarts, and ability.
Regardless if he pans out or not Colt isn't the answer either, the team needed to give the offense an opportunity to be successful, they didn't believe Colt gave them a chance, and I don't blame them.
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What if the offense scores 30+ points/game yet we still end up with only 4 wins because the defense falls apart?
I will at least have watched an entertaining (most likely close if we scored 30+ ppg) 12 losses this time around.
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Sick of everyone jumping on Weeden as if he is some scrub. He outplayed all the other QBs selected before him when he played them head to head. His only knock at this point is his age. He's got the size, smarts, and ability.
Regardless if he pans out or not Colt isn't the answer either, the team needed to give the offense an opportunity to be successful, they didn't believe Colt gave them a chance, and I don't blame them.
Did you see Baylor's D? Most decent QBs shredded them. Head to head means nothing. RG3 had to play against OSU's D and vice versa. That 'out played' arguement means nothing unless both teams line up against the same D.
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I'm expecting 8-8 at a MINIMUM. If we don't hit that with your first round qb and a stud r.b..............can them all, right?
What if Weeden gets injured? What if Joe Thomas gets injured? What if Joe Haden gets injured?
Bad things can happen in a season. I think putting records down as the mark as to whether we fire an organization or not is ridiculous. Let's watch the games, understand the circumstances, and make a decision based on that
Interesting theory. It didn't fly last year though, so why should we change this year, right? Injuries were no excuse last year, they damn well won't be this year.
Right?
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Well I guess H&H's plan was to see for sure if Colt was the problem. Weeden is going to have basically the same team around him that Colt did. He will be throwing to the same targets. Let's see what he can do.
(I understand TR>Hillis. Cousins at RT at least has experience over our rookie. While the rook may be an upgrade in the long term I don't know that we'll see that this season.)
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Well I guess H&H's plan was to see for sure if Colt was the problem. Weeden is going to have basically the same team around him that Colt did. He will be throwing to the same targets. Let's see what he can do.
May I introduce you #33 Trent Richardson, arguably best player in the draft, and new centerpiece to our offense. Trent Richardson tore up NCAA when everyone loaded the box on him and now he's going to have to do it again.
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The only thing Weeden will be able to compare himself with Warner is they will both have worked at giant Eagle...of course with Weeden finishing his career at Giant Eagle vs Warner starting his there......
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Because there is absolutely NO WAY Brandon Weeden can be a good NFL starter for 6 or 7 or 8 years.
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I actually like Weeden as a player, but the problem is he's 28 years old and has never played in an NFL game............or taken a snap under center nonetheless. He's two years away from being productive (and that's if he works out). At that point he's 30-31 years old and his body is going the wrong way on him.
If we take him in the 2nd or 3rd round I'm fine............but at 22??? Just stupid considering the players that were on the board. I know Colt sucks......not a fan at all, but why reach when we aren't winning many games next year regardless. We will pick high again next year, but now we are stuck with a QB who might not be the prospect available to us next year. That's why you don't reach for need.
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