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I like Benjamin... but not as much as a lot of other guys on the board right now. 
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That's a crock of BS, you find/take WR in round one and after the top 100, then you might as well wait until after the draft to sign them to a FA contract.
So by your logic we shouldn't have taken Richardson, because the best RB in the League last year was Foster a frickin FA.
Well I think that after taking Richardson it was clear to me that the WR position would be hard to fill in the top 100 picks. I knew this before the Draft.
We could not do both imo and still get Weeden and our RT after depleting our ammo reserves.
We need playmakers we got one albeit a club. 
For a team with the most picks coming into the Draft. One would have thought we could get at least two playmakers in the top 3 rounds. That did not come to pass, because taking a RB with our first pick almost guaranteed that we could not do that in this Draft.
That was the choice they made and they made that bed and now they have to lay in it (together).
Btw RB Chris Polk is still available. 
Foster wasn't the "best" RB in the league last year, he was 5th. You accuse me of using the exception to prove the rule, when the exception was a major piece of the equation as far as receivers go .... then you go find 1 of 2 UDFA in the top 20 in rushing ...... and try to make that the rule. 
Of the top 20 rushers .... well, let's break then down for you ......... 1 by 1 ......
Jones-Drew: 2nd rround
Ray Rice: 2nd round
Michael Turner: 5th round
LeSean McCoy: 2nd round
Arian Foster: UDFA
Frank Gore: 3rd round
Marshawn Lynch: 1st round
Willis McGahee: 1st round
Steven Jackson: 1st round
Ryan Matthews: 1st round
Reggie Bush: 1st round
Cedric Benson: 1st round
Shonn Green: 3rd round
Chris Johnson: 1st round
Beanie Wells: 1st round
Matt Forte: 2nd round
Michael Bush: 4th round
Adrian Peterson: 1st round
Ben Tate: 2nd round
Fred Jackson: UDFA
So ...of the top 20 rushers in the NFL, we have:
1st round: 9
2nd round: 5
3rd round: 3
4th through UDFA: 3
So your point is ..... what? It seems to me that more talented RBs are more productive, and overall, more talented RBs are found higher in the draft. There were 2 UDFA in the top 20 in rushing last year. rounds 1-4 provided the league with 18 of the top 20, rounds 1-3 provided 17 of them, and rounds 1-2 provided a whopping 14 of the top 20 runners in the NFL last year.
So again ...... let me ask ..... your oint is ..... what, exactly?
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Arch/Anarchy are gonna have a stroke 
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Browns take Travis Benjiman from Miami.. WR
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WR Travis Benjamin is our pick. speedster ICE cube McNeil? 5'10" 172 lbs.  Analysis Strengths Benjamin understands how to get open at the top of routes and can use his explosiveness to his advantage. As a returner, he is a "one cut and go" runner who can break for daylight. The key to his game as a receiver is his ability to get open, and he doesn't shy away from contact. He will be a true deep threat who runs crisp intermediate routes. Weaknesses Because his size puts him at a disadvantage, Benjamin's game is based entirely on speed and quickness. He has a hard time getting off the line of scrimmage if not given a free release, lacking the strength to recover if jammed by a more physical defender. Benjamin has also historically struggled to work in traffic. He prefers to be outside on the perimeter, away from contact; this could be his Achilles heel if he were to try to move into the slot.
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I think it's time to start praying for Charliton Mitchell to finally get it...LOL
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were you trying to call him Charlatan Mitchell?
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Dwight Jones was considered a first round lock but had poor workouts. Childs is a stud just now returning to full strength from his knee injury, he is a first round caliber talent. Marvin Jones and Criner were both early 2nd projections.
Nick Toon, McNutt, ERic Page, Jordan White, Streeter, Joe Adams,
Man there are probowlers to be had at the receiver position.
So Why did they just draft a guy? Who doesn't look like a player, is smaller than dirt, is written he can't get off the line of scrimmage?
I don't even want to know his name?
How can you find someone worse than Rod Windsor?
This is a reach on par with Sarah Palin as a vice presidential , ohh whatever 
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He prefers to be outside on the perimeter, away from contact;
??? You mean the sidelines!! ?? On the Bench?
Oh, Joy...
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I think it's time to start praying for Charliton Mitchell to finally get it...LOL
I liked what I saw of him late last season. the light seemed to come on and he just looked like a WR in his body language (that's an important factor that rarely ever gets much mention). I loved his effort blocking in the running game especially well. He is going to give someone I won't name a real battle to make this years cuts.
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JC. I did not read all the threads looking for this. And I am sure it came up. But why did the Browns not take Steven Hill (GT) when he was there for us in the second? Just saying. Why can't this FO get it right just once? I was willing to overlook the reach for Weeden. IMO. But not getting anyone that can stretch the field vertically has left the Browns with teams just crowding the box yet again. Can't get anyone loose for the short passing game like that. RB or undersized slot WR? Here they are same as they ever were. We have no threats to go deep.  I hope I am surprised. But I have a famliar feeling about this season already. 
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I did not read all the threads looking for this.
And I am sure it came up.
But why did the Browns not take Steven Hill (GT) when he was there for us in the second?
Just saying.
Why can't this FO get it right just once?
I was willing to overlook the reach for Weeden. IMO.
But not getting anyone that can stretch the field vertically has left the Browns with teams just crowding the box yet again.
Can't get anyone loose for the short passing game like that.
RB or undersized slot WR?
Here they are same as they ever were.
We have no threats to go deep.
I hope I am surprised.
But I have a famliar feeling about this season already.
I don't want capable ... I want excellence and I want to strike fear into a defending defenses mind.
I thought for sure that we would draft another staring WR after missing the bus in FA with the better named talents. It's not like we weren't interested either, so when I hear stuff about them being good with our WR unit, then I become a little irritated, because it's just lip serves in my mind.
We missed the Bus again this year, but I think that's because this FO does not value the position in today's game as it warrants valuing.
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I think it was obvious that they wanted to fix the right tackle spot before the wide receiver spot because they think the receivers will improve with better QB play.
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I think it was obvious that they wanted to fix the right tackle spot before the wide receiver spot because they think the receivers will improve with better QB play.
We had no choice but to fix that RT spot and high time.
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I think it was obvious that they wanted to fix the right tackle spot before the wide receiver spot because they think the receivers will improve with better QB play.
I also think it's obvious that we wanted to give our RB, as well as QB, a chance to be successful. The RT spot was atrocious with Cousins and the FO really likes the guy we drafted.
We can't expect to pound the ball with Oneil Cousins playing RT. Schwartz will be starting RT for us come September, and he'll be good at it.
Schwartz has just as much an effect on the offense as a WR and the position badly needed to be filled.
One thing I do wish is that we tried to trade up to get Reuben Randle. Even by giving up a pick next year. Just move us ahead 10 spots and get ourselves that receiver.
That didn't happen unfortunately, and I think the Giants got a good receiver. But that's just how it goes. After Randle came off the board, as we didn't see any receiver we felt was worth the pick
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I don't want capable ... I want excellence and I want to strike fear into a defending defenses mind.
Carlton Mitchell is still on the team isn't he?
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Is Brian Robiske available?
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Why?
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Why?
Well, the name of the last selection sums up the 2012 NFL Draft for the Browns rather appropriately. Smelley. I really like the Billy Winn pick and the Richardson pick. Everything else wasn't all that good. Acho might contribute a little, but nobody should expect great things from him. Winn though was a steal, I think. We might have just gotten another Ahtyba Rubin in the 6th round. I'll give them props for that one if Winn plays up to his potential.
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1) Require wideouts as part of QB trade; or . . . 2) Bucket of wides in UDFA; or . . . . 3) Feature Cribbs as a workhorse at WR . . . 4) Shurmur suits up and shows blazing speed, laser routes, and mad hands as player coach. The new meds are working REALLY well I see. PS Dilfer might be the worst ESPN put out there, but the competition was fierce. I had him picked for Mr. Irrelevant. We logged over an hour on mute just for him. 
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Mitchell was a 3 year project when we took him. I wasn't a fan of the pick but this is year three and apparently, he is one of if not thee hardest worker we have on the team. He has a chance with a QB that will stretch the field a bit more. We may see some deep sprints with Mitchell and Benjamin taking turns, if nothing else it wears your corners down.
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Dwight Jones was considered a first round lock but had poor workouts. Childs is a stud just now returning to full strength from his knee injury, he is a first round caliber talent. Marvin Jones and Criner were both early 2nd projections.
Nick Toon, McNutt, ERic Page, Jordan White, Streeter, Joe Adams,
Man there are probowlers to be had at the receiver position.
Dwight Jones went undrafted,
Greg Childs went pick 134 to Minnesota, The Browns passed on him at 120
Marvin Jones? went 166 to the Bengals, was available at 160
Juron Criner? a Raider at 168.
If any of these turn out to be a stud then, ? It doesn't mean anything except a missed opportunity to help the offense, again.
Nick Toon, is a New Orlean saint, pick 122, ( what do these teams know about offense?)
Marvin Mcnutt? Philadelphia 194, was available at 160
Eric Page, went undrafted, probably should have
Jordan White? Went to the Jets at pick 245, so he was passed at 204, and 205
Tommy Streeter? Became a Raven at pick 198. Bet he never catches a td against Cleveland.?
Joe Adams? Carolina took him at 104, Browns picked Benjamin ahead of him. Which was more likely to fall to a later pick?
Houston took Keyshawn Martin. Dallas, KC, and Pittsburgh took receivers later.
Somebody thinks they can get off the line of scrimmage and open downfield.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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