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Nas, this phrasing is frustrating.
Reaches are a myth purported by amateur scouts.
That being said, this pick is...head scratching at best. This guy is a high risk, low reward pick that seems to scream "we just need someone."
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Its a 3rd round pick...what's the big deal?
Rarely do 3rd rounders start...Sanu wasn't there neither was Randle. After 1st and 2nd round you are looking for depth guys and growth guys.Hughes is a big body (which this front office loves) and will be depth behind Rubin and Taylor. I don't see the harm.
I have no problem adding depth or even reaching for a guy - but when it's the third round and they take a dude that I'm reading may not have been drafted at all... at a position we don't really seem to need... even I as a functional draft idiot begin to grow concerned.
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Reach on Weeden,
If you discount the age its not really that big a reach as someone would make it out to be. If he was 22 he would be drafted before Tannehill. I bet TRich and Weeden's career are about the same length. If his career is long or longer than TRich it will be worth it. With the new QB rules a QB can play until he is 35-39.
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Reach on Schwartz,
They brought Glenn, Martin, and Schwartz and liked Schwartz the best. They took the best RT on their board and it filled a need. I mean Glenn was concerned about not being fast enough to be a tackle and having to be moved inside as a guard and Martin was not fast enough to be a LT but too light to be a RT.
So far Heckert has not missed on 1st or 2nd round pick in my opinion. So i will give him the benefit of the doubt before I cry the end is nigh.
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Massive reach on Hughes.
3rd round pick seriously the chances of finding a starter are tiny. At this point the draft goes crazy. At least the Browns to make a crazy pick until the 3rd round unlike the Seahawks.
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I honestly think 3 or 4 wins is generous
You may be right.
oh well Holmgren and Heckert will most likely be canned at season end....they made this bed for themselves....this is their doing...its their team...this is the team they wanted....thise whole thing better work out....because anything less then 8 wins this coming season, and Lerner pulls the plug.....no owner in their right mind would put up with this...do you think Bob Kraft would tolerate this kinda nonsense? or the Rooney's? or the Biscotti's? no way....
its put up or shut up time for Holmgren and Heckert...either get a .500 record or get out of the way and make room for someone who can.
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hahaha! this just keeps getting better!
This draft is wrapping up to be EXACTLY like Savage's 2007 Draft....only 1 draft pick is any good (Richardson for Heckert, and Thomas for Savage) and the rest of the draft sucked!
Richardson was the only pick Heckert couldn't mess up because just like Thomas he is probably the 2nd best overall player in the entire draft.
This entire draft has just been awful...looks like another year of 4-12....3-13...sounds about right.
We done nothing in FA, all the good Wr that can come in and do anything are off the board or going off the board fast....this is just a collosal mess up.
Weeden will have no one to throw to....Richardson will be the only offense we have this year.....
My thoughts exactly! A monkey couldn't miss the TR pick.
For all the guys who love the Weeden pick: how does it feel to know that next year we'll be within reach to pick up Matt Barkley next year?
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I bet we win at least 6 games next year. And Barkley is trash.
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For the past two months, every night before I fell a sleep, I would think about the draft and would the Browns take Richardson or Blackmon or Claiborne? Would they really take Tannehill? Man, what if Decastro was there at #22....nah
I was so excited.....................and then this....THIS? REALLY?
I really really hope I know less football then I think I do.....3 giant reaches in a row
Richardson
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John Hughes??? We drafted a dead guy??? 
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Still ... the last three picks seem to have been pretty big reaches ... but I'm not jumping of bridges like some of the guys around here. 
Not jumping off a bridge but it does certainly raise a bit of a red flag.
Heckert is giving off the "smartest man in the room" vibe on these picks.
Weeden and Schwartz were a reach of atleast half a round. Hughes was a reach of 2-3 rounds.
If he's wrong not only does he look like an idiot but it sets the Browns back even more......ugh. I get that sick feeling about this draft. Richardson is a no brainer. Everyone else is a crapshoot.
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the way they keep throwing these picks away, they should have just given them to st louis.........
At least we have a RB and a RT. I don't know where we will find a decent starting WR. All projects at this point. For a long shot i like the kid from Montana St. -Elvis somethingerother. He has some size, has some speed and has good hands.
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I bet we win at least 6 games next year. And Barkley is trash.
perhaps, but this team will be in the Barkley Sweepstakes next year.
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This one is a real head scratcher to me.
I understand every pick in this draft ...... until this one.
Well, 3 out of 4 isn't bad, I guess.
Don't you mean 1 out of 4?
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the way they keep throwing these picks away, they should have just given them to st louis.........
At least we have a RB and a RT. I don't know where we will find a decent starting WR. All projects at this point. For a long shot i like the kid from Montana St. -Elvis somethingerother. He has some size, has some speed and has good hands.
Well, We have a RB, a RT and a QB...
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People complain about Schwartz, but he will start day 1 at RT.
Some people wanted Massie. He's still on the board. Others wanted us to take DeCastro at 22 ..... but isn't he more of a pure Guard? That doesn't help us a whole lot. He can't move to RT, and that was our biggest need on the OL. You cannot build a team by dumping tons of 1st round picks into the OL.
Cordy Glenn was a guy who many people said might be best moving back inside to Guard. Again, does that best serve the needs of the Cleveland Browns? Some reports had concerns about Martin switching to RT in the NFL because of his lacl of strength. There is no such concern about Schwartz. He is a pure RT, and I think that he'll be a good one for a long time to come.
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If he's suck a pure RT, why was he playing LT in college?
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Don't you mean 1 out of 4?
Funny, usually I'm mr. negative but I'm pretty happy with the draft.
Even decided to send in the season ticket payment today.
Oh well, I like 3 out of the 4 picks so far.
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If he's suck a pure RT, why was he playing LT in college?
His QB was a Lefty
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If he's suck a pure RT, why was he playing LT in college?
You say that like he got downgraded ...
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Yeah Im good with 3 outta 4 maybe we'll get lucky with a late round wr..and I mean Mike Wallace lucky 
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You mind moving this talk to the appropriate thread? We need to bitch about John Hughes some more. 
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Swartz will be a terrific tackle for us for the next 10 plus but this draft pick was Heckert's travis Wilson pick. This is the bipolar draft. We take Richardson. Yay!!!  We take Weeden.   We take Swartz Yay!!! WE take Hughes 
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Others wanted us to take DeCastro at 22 ..... but isn't he more of a pure Guard? That doesn't help us a whole lot.
So it doesn't help us to add an elite guard? Do we have one of those? That I'm not aware of? 
There's a point when BPA trumps need. The Browns missed it and the Steelers hit it. That seems to be a theme in the last 10 years.
You have to balance need with BPA in my opinion. Something Heckert just doesn't seem capable of doing. The better GM's adjust their picks based on the ebb and flow of the draft. Ozzie and Colbert are great at it.
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People complain about Schwartz, but he will start day 1 at RT.
Some people wanted Massie. He's still on the board. Others wanted us to take DeCastro at 22 ..... but isn't he more of a pure Guard? That doesn't help us a whole lot. He can't move to RT, and that was our biggest need on the OL. You cannot build a team by dumping tons of 1st round picks into the OL.
Cordy Glenn was a guy who many people said might be best moving back inside to Guard. Again, does that best serve the needs of the Cleveland Browns? Some reports had concerns about Martin switching to RT in the NFL because of his lacl of strength. There is no such concern about Schwartz. He is a pure RT, and I think that he'll be a good one for a long time to come.
Th only concern on Schwartz is his back surgery before last season. But, I do like this pick and think he was the best available RT for us at 37 and will succeed well for us and does fit a big need for us. Though when we picked Weeden at 22 it put us out of range to fill the WR position and OL position together. Then, that trade from 4 to 3 hurt us later on, because we could have possibly used those picks to trade back up into the 2nd to fill the WR need or the RB position if we needed to pick Blackmon at 4.
But Overall, I can be happy with TRich, Weeden and Schwartz, however I'm not happy that we couldn't address the WR position yet and we drafted a rotational DT with our 3rd rounder. The only good thing about the DT pick is that we traded down to pick him rather than picking him at our original 3rd round slot.
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Yeah....this draft might look good next year with TRich and MS we probably win a few more games. However, five years down the road we are going to be left with one solid starter in MS and not much else....and I understand the TRich pick and like it.
I fully expect us to be looking for another FO in the next couple of years....sadly.
PS...After listening to enough of his press conferences Heckert is an arrogant douche.
Can't disagree with that at all.
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If he's suck a pure RT, why was he playing LT in college?
Because that's where you play your best lineman in college.
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Some people wanted Massie. He's still on the board. Others wanted us to take DeCastro at 22 ..... but isn't he more of a pure Guard? That doesn't help us a whole lot.
sorry to pick on you but this is why the Cleveland Browns suck. Instead of taking the 10 year pro bowl guy, the BPA, we decide to take the ~ 50th best player because it's a need. We then take Schwartz high because it's a need, not necessarily b/c he's the best on the board. We then take John Hughes because.....because....um....well...you know.....because???????????????
Oh, why don't we develop players??? Oh, maybe because we draft them too early and force them to start, creating lack of competition, a sense of entitlement, etc
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If he's suck a pure RT, why was he playing LT in college?
Because that's where you play your best lineman in college.
Sorry I couldn't think of anything to say...
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I was expecting to pick somebody that had a chance of starting. Fat lazy depth in third round?
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You still holding out hope for a WR?
I lost hope after our first pick.
Looks like we will have to wait and see who's available after the cuts ...
aka someone trash.
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Others wanted us to take DeCastro at 22 ..... but isn't he more of a pure Guard? That doesn't help us a whole lot.
So it doesn't help us to add an elite guard? Do we have one of those? That I'm not aware of?
There's a point when BPA trumps need. The Browns missed it and the Steelers hit it. That seems to be a them of the last 10 years.
You have to balance need with BPA in my opinion. Something Heckert just doesn't seem capable of doing. The better GM's adjust their picks based on the ebb and flow of the draft. Ozzie and Colbert are great at it.
So let's say that we take Decastro at 22. Now we still desperately need a QB, a RT, and whatever else we need. We have upgraded a position where we already have a young and developing player, and we have no one to play RT.
So do we still draft a RT?
How many high picks do we spend to get a good OL? 1st rounders from LT to RT? I can't think of a single team that has done that in the past decade. Can you? Hell, most teams don't even have 3 first round picks on their OL. High picks are more important when used on QBs and weapons, or impact defenders. Guards, especially, can be found deep into the draft. The Saints just lost their premium Guard, Nicks, o free agency. He might be one of the best 2 or 3 Guards in the NFL. he was a 5th round pick originally.
Teams have to be smart when they draft. Now I really, really don't understand the Hughes pick, but Heckert does seem to have some affinity for DL. I'm willing to give him a little slack there. As far as the rest of the draft .... I couldn't be happier with the way it turned out. (unless we could have gotten Fleener at 37, and then Schwartz in the 3rd) If that had happened, I would have been absolutely on cloud nine. As it is, I am very pleased, and I think that team has improved itself greatly in the past 2 days.
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I understand every pick in this draft ...... until this one.
Well, 3 out of 4 isn't bad, I guess.
We seem to see eye to eye on a lot of things. Except for your melt down over the RG3 situation and upsetness over the prospect of Colt starting (I figured, I'll go with what the organization wants to do).
First three make sense, and I'm just gonna have to have confidence in our 4th pick. Heckert has his methods, and he sticks to his board. Obviously he had this Hughes guy ranked higher than everyone else on his board. That makes it not a reach.
Just because some amature draft sites don't know who someone is, doesn't mean that anyone's a reach. All it takes is another NFL team to want a guy also, and we don't get who we want (and that looks silly if he's at the top of our board).
We do need a DT to rotate in with Ruben and Taylor, Schaffering doesn't cut it.
Would I have preferred a WR, yes. But I didn't know anyone left. Sanu was taken (and I do know him pretty well) and Randle was taken before our third, and so we traded out.
Now I would have tried trading up for a WR talent like Randle, and that could have been a mistake (not doing it) because right after he was taken, we traded down. Kinda like a, damn our targeted guy was taken. Alright, let's trade down
But selecting the top guy on our board is selecting the top guy on our board. And we have no idea where he would have been taken after us. As I said, all it takes is ONE team. That's why you stick to your board. I mean, has anyone seen the guy play? Or could this just be scout sites watching a few highlights and not taking an in-depth look?
I'm gonna wait and see.
But as for the other three picks, I'm happy. With our two fourth round picks tomorrow, I would like to see us get the top two guys at one of these four positions, WR, TE, WLB, and CB. I'd really like it if we could find a WR and WLB though
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I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt. I can't remember ever seeing him play which isn't good but hey they took him for a reason. Someone that watches Bearcat football give us the scoop on this kid.
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For the past two months, every night before I fell a sleep, I would think about the draft and would the Browns take Richardson or Blackmon or Claiborne? Would they really take Tannehill? Man, what if Decastro was there at #22....nah
I was so excited.....................and then this....THIS? REALLY?
I really really hope I know less football then I think I do.....
Sorry man, and I mean this with as much respect as I can convey through a keyboard - but that's the most depressing life I've ever read about if true.
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3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: A- Grade
This would be an A if Mike Holmgren wasn't duped into trading up to No. 3. Still, he gave up just a fourth-, a fifth- and a seventh-round pick for him, so I'm not going to penalize Cleveland very much. Trent Richardson is the right pick because he's the best player available and fills the greatest need. Colt McCoy was decent with Peyton Hillis before Hillis started dreaming about becoming a CIA agent, so maybe McCoy can become competent again.
22. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State: F Grade
I gave the Eagles an F last year for drafting a 27-year-old guard, so I'm dishing out yet another F for a geriatric player. Brandon Weeden turns 29 soon. By the time his first contract is up, he'll be 33. As in, near the end of his career. This move reaks of panic; Cleveland really wanted Kendall Wright, and Mike Holmgren apparently did not know what to do once the Titans made the surprise selection.
37. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California: C+ Grade
There were three receivers worth taking here, so the Browns selected... a right tackle? What? I like Mitchell Schwartz; he projects as a decent pro. But who the hell is Brandon Weeden going to throw to? And what about Cordy Glenn and Jonathan Martin?
87. John Hughes, DT, Cincinnati: Matt Millen Lonely Night Kielbasa Porn Grade
I mocked John Hughes in the seventh round. He wasn't above No. 249 on any major big board. He doesn't even fill a need. This is a terrible selection.
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I feel that the QB position is vitally important in today's NFL. I still wish that we could have managed to get RG3. However, we upgraded the position yesterday, and that's pretty good for me. I wonder how Seaghag fans feel about them spending a 3rd round pick on a guy who barely scrapes 5'10"? I love Wilson's game, and if we were going to go with a late round backup QB, he would have been my guy ...... but he's almost certainly not going to beat the odds and make it as a super short NFL starting QB. The Jags drafted a punter.  I'm sure that there are plenty of teams whose fans are scratching their heads tonight.
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You still holding out hope for a WR?
I lost hope after our first pick.
Looks like we will have to wait and see who's available after the cuts ...
aka someone trash.
I don't have much confidence in late round WR's
Crazy things can happen, but I don't think we find a WR in this draft that is not just a prospect that you just hope strikes gold. We could have really used those picks we used to trade down to 3 later in the draft when there was a trading frenzy to get a WR, RB, RT and probably even Weeden. If we stood put at 4, we could have had Blackmon, Doug Martin, & Weeden & Schwartz/ Schwartz & Weeden. If we had to, we could have traded back up into the 2nd from 3rd to secure Weeden/Schwartz. Or, we could have still got TRich, Weeden Schwartz and a WR with trading back up from 3rd with the picks we traded to Vikings. But that is all hypothetical talk.
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Homie and Heck....a cartoon. I don't get it. Good ole Heck.....pulling names from deep off the list thinking he knows better than anyone else....this reminds me of Butch and his buddy Garcia. Good Gosh, what did we do to deserve this crap????
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87. John Hughes, DT, Cincinnati: Matt Millen Lonely Night Kielbasa Porn Grade
I mocked John Hughes in the seventh round. He wasn't above No. 249 on any major big board. He doesn't even fill a need. This is a terrible selection.
I see they like this pick more than I do.
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