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Hughes filled a need.
The problem is that the need was just above finding a new long snapper.
you had a good run Hank.
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I've loved the draft up to this point. This pick makes no sense at this spot. There seems to be nothing even on him anywhere... but I'll take the first 3 picks, which I liked a lot!
This is the browns people, they make horrible mistakes. Let's be thankful they didn't (truly) mess up until the 3rd.
Who knows, maybe they drafted him because they think the 3rd round pick will get him to mentally think he's better then he is....
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I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt. I can't remember ever seeing him play which isn't good but hey they took him for a reason. Someone that watches Bearcat football give us the scoop on this kid.
I think the only people who actually follow Bearcat football have a relative playing at UC.
Taking the 2nd UC defensive tackle - the SECOND UC DT - is like drafting a LB from Duke.
I hope he pans out.
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Guards, especially, can be found deep into the draft.
Two of the best drafting teams in the NFL, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, have both drafted guards in the 1st round.
Baltimore took Ben Grubbs and Pittsburgh took David Decastro. I agree you can sometimes find them in later rounds but there are obviously exceptions ( as Baltimore and Pittsburgh have both confirmed).
We'll see what happens. I just don't have a good feeling about this draft (save Richardson).
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I guess the saving grace is that of the 4 guys we drafted so far, 3 should be starters.
If Hughes starts, we are in deeper doo doo than I thought.
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I guess the saving grace is that of the 4 guys we drafted so far, 3 should be starters.
If Hughes starts, we are in deeper doo doo than I thought.
Given how awful Cleveland was at RB, QB and RT, I'm not sure that is saying much. 
But I hear ya. We'll see how these guys do. Every time I like a draft, it sucks. So maybe now that I don't, it won't. 
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and Cincy grabbed one also....Wisconsin guy never the less.
How is Weeden gonna adjust when looks over and he doesn't Justin Blackmon out there...its Greg Little or Mohamed Massaqiou.
thats like going to bed and dreaming of Brooklyn Decker and waking up beside Rosie O'Donnell.
Trent Richardson good luck going against a stacked box in 2012.
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This is really directed at Walter of Walter's Football Quote:
37. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California: C+ Grade
There were three receivers worth taking here, so the Browns selected... a right tackle? What? I like Mitchell Schwartz; he projects as a decent pro. But who the hell is Brandon Weeden going to throw to? And what about Cordy Glenn and Jonathan Martin?
Richardson needs some protection on that right side, so does Weeden. Oneil Cousins doesn't fit the bill. We had to get a starting RT, and obviously this is the guy we prefer
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87. John Hughes, DT, Cincinnati: Matt Millen Lonely Night Kielbasa Porn Grade
I mocked John Hughes in the seventh round. He wasn't above No. 249 on any major big board. He doesn't even fill a need. This is a terrible selection.
On whose big board? What is a "Major" big board. Have you really put much time into scouting John Hughes Walter? Or are you just following these "major big boards" made by a bunch of HACKS.
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People can stack the box all they want...
Weeden to Little Slant routes will rule the day...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Because there is no way that Weeden made Blackmon look better. Nope. No way. Blackmon is clearly the one making incredible catches...
Oh, what's that? Most of his catches were in stride? Huh...imagine that.
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I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt. I can't remember ever seeing him play which isn't good but hey they took him for a reason. Someone that watches Bearcat football give us the scoop on this kid.
I think the only people who actually follow Bearcat football have a relative playing at UC.
Taking the 2nd UC defensive tackle - the SECOND UC DT - is like drafting a LB from Duke.
I hope he pans out.
I keyed on him in a game against Syracuse last year. Looks like a quicker slightly smaller version of Ruben. High motor kid. We needed some rotation in the middle to give Ruben and Taylor a breather once in awhile. You guys can argue if he was BPA for us or not.......but he's a good hard working player at the very least.
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stumbled across this... http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/...s-on-radar.htmlNFL draft: Extra effort put Gahanna’s Hughes on radar Butch Jones was standing near the offense one day in practice last season when the Cincinnati football coach saw something across the field that startled him. There was 310-pound defensive lineman John Hughes sprinting onto the field for a practice rep. It was as if Pete Rose shed 50 years, gained 100 pounds and switched sports. “Afterward, I called him over and asked, ‘Why are you doing that?’ ” Jones recalled. “He said, ‘ Coach, I’ve got to get in great shape. I’ve got to play at a high level.’ After that day, his game just took off.” Now Hughes, a Gahanna High School graduate, has a chance to be selected in the NFL draft this week. Only 12 months ago, Jones said, a mediocre spring practice had put the senior on the second team. “I didn’t put football in my priorities like I should have, and the results showed it,” Hughes said. But he resolved to work hard in the offseason, and he played well in camp. A few games into the 2011 season, Hughes’ performance really took off. “He wasn’t even being looked at (as an NFL prospect),” Jones said. “Then the light clicked. He started playing at a whole other level, a whole other speed level. I’ve never seen an individual progress like he did.” Hughes said it was simply a matter of not wanting to disappoint his teammates and his position coach, Steve Stripling, as his career wound down. “I felt like my performance wasn’t helping,” Hughes said. “I had to get it going as much as I could.” Part of that was giving maximum effort in everything, including running onto the field. Soon, his teammates joined him in the sprinting. “If people see a 310-pound guy running on and off the field, running to the ball, the competitive side comes out of them,” Hughes said. “If you see 11 guys running to the ball, it’s intimidating.” Hughes finished the season with 51 tackles — 121/2 for loss — and five sacks. “I felt like a different player because I was a year older, a year wiser, a year more mature,” Hughes said. Jones said he believes there’s a “great possibility” that Hughes could be drafted. If that’s the case, it will cap a remarkable story. Raised by his grandmother, Esther Hughes, he has already graduated with a degree in criminal justice. That’s especially impressive considering that poor grades in high school caused Michigan State to pull a scholarship offer. “He defines everything we want in our football program,” Jones said. “We always talk about being able to suffer through adversity. It makes you struggle and makes you better. That’s what it has done to John Hughes. That’s why I think he’ll be successful in whatever happens.” brabinowitz@dispatch.com
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Nice article.
It does seem strange that a DT with 51 tackles could be described as lazy.
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Every year I seem to believe that the Browns are finally in a position where they cannot screw a draft up. I seriously believed that there wasn't a chance we could make any serious mistakes.
So I look at Hughes and Weeden and I ask myself..."Self" I say...."Self, what are the odds that these two high selections are starters in three seasons?"
My response is far from hopeful.
I cannot say I've ever heard of Hughes, and there-in lies the problem. Nothing I've looked at tells me he was a guy hot on anyone's radar. It's entirely possible that he was taken three rounds too early. I can't say that with any certainty, but what I can say for certain is that it appears only the Browns...one team out of 32...see something special in him.
Yikes.
I would love to say I feel unwarranted trepidation at the prospects of this draft, but I've had this feeling before, and as it turns out the feelings were quite warranted.
It somehow feels as though I've been punched in the gut and all the wind has been knocked out of my lungs...
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Yeah it was. Really this pick doesn't bother me that much. Let's be honest folks....who's seen him play and really keyed on his performance?? Most of us are bagging on the pick because he went ahead of guys we have seen play and liked....or because some goof like "Walter" who knows no more than we do didn't like him.
At this point your looking at depth and diamonds in the rough.....I have no illusions of getting a starting WR in round 3. I'll wait and see if the kid is a contributor and see how he progresses
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You still holding out hope for a WR?
I lost hope after our first pick.
Looks like we will have to wait and see who's available after the cuts ...
aka someone trash.
I don't have much confidence in late round WR's
Crazy things can happen, but I don't think we find a WR in this draft that is not just a prospect that you just hope strikes gold. We could have really used those picks we used to trade down to 3 later in the draft when there was a trading frenzy to get a WR, RB, RT and probably even Weeden. If we stood put at 4, we could have had Blackmon, Doug Martin, & Weeden & Schwartz/ Schwartz & Weeden. If we had to, we could have traded back up into the 2nd from 3rd to secure Weeden/Schwartz. Or, we could have still got TRich, Weeden Schwartz and a WR with trading back up from 3rd with the picks we traded to Vikings. But that is all hypothetical talk.
I talked until I was blue in the index fingers about why Richardson was not our best choice for starting our draft 'combination scenario'
Take Blackmon at 4 and no need to trade down, reserving our ammo, then taking Martin at 22 and Weeden either at 37 or using picks to get back in to the bottom of the first if need be.
Coming out with three starters and still getting a 4th if we waited for Schwartz ( I think he would have been available at pick 67) selection or traded up back into round two if need be, but the bottom line was that we couldn't get all of that done by taking Richardson first and trading away our leverage picks, because the top WR's worth a hoot would be gone.
So what we are left with is 3 starting prospects and no WR out of the Draft or FA. 
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So I look at Hughes and Weeden and I ask myself..."Self" I say...."Self, what are the odds that these two high selections are starters in three seasons?"
My response is far from hopeful.
I disagree on Weeden. I think we probably got a guy who will start for us for awhile. Hopefully he'll be out Kurt Warner. I love that guy.
As for Hughes, he probably won't start in three seasons. Why? Because Rubin and Taylor will be starting. lol
I do understand the concern for the Hughes pick, but we do have to stick with our board. Other teams select  guys all the time also. If that's where Heckert has him, that's where he has him. And Heckert's done pretty well IMO
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I think it is hilarious that people are talking about starters and back ups on the D line. The starters are nothing but the two guys who play the first defensive snap. D line constantly rotates in. We will have three to four D Tackles who will rotate in. Its not like two D tacklesline up and play the whole game and the back ups stand on the sideline.
I have no idea how good this guy is, but if Heckert and his scout dept feel this guy can be in our D Tackle rotation and be a strong contributor then this is a good pick.
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Good read. Sometimes it takes awhile to get it. Hopefully, we get ourselves a hell of a DT that is just now coming into his own. We really need that 3rd DT to rotate and keep Rubin and Taylor fresh as last year they were just worn out.
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Yeah it was. Really this pick doesn't bother me that much. Let's be honest folks....who's seen him play and really keyed on his performance?? Most of us are bagging on the pick because he went ahead of guys we have seen play and liked....or because some goof like "Walter" who knows no more than we do didn't like him.
At this point your looking at depth and diamonds in the rough.....I have no illusions of getting a starting WR in round 3. I'll wait and see if the kid is a contributor and see how he progresses
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Every year I seem to believe that the Browns are finally in a position where they cannot screw a draft up. I seriously believed that there wasn't a chance we could make any serious mistakes.
So I look at Hughes and Weeden and I ask myself..."Self" I say...."Self, what are the odds that these two high selections are starters in three seasons?"
My response is far from hopeful.
I cannot say I've ever heard of Hughes, and there-in lies the problem. Nothing I've looked at tells me he was a guy hot on anyone's radar. It's entirely possible that he was taken three rounds too early. I can't say that with any certainty, but what I can say for certain is that it appears only the Browns...one team out of 32...see something special in him.
Yikes.
I would love to say I feel unwarranted trepidation at the prospects of this draft, but I've had this feeling before, and as it turns out the feelings were quite warranted.
It somehow feels as though I've been punched in the gut and all the wind has been knocked out of my lungs...
On the one hand, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Weeden will be an above average QB for 6 years, which is 6 more than we've had up to now. Maybe Mr. Hughes will be Rubin part II (who was drafted in the sixth, I think), and if so, a third rounder well used.
On the other hand, Part of the draft is not just knowing who you want, its knowing when you can get them so you can get other guys you want. And if your board is so completely different from 31 other teams that it doesn't matter, then, well, you're probably wrong. If you can get Hughes at 5 or 6, you don't take him at 3. You take someone else at 3 who won't be there at 4.
On the one hand, Heckert has been pretty decent in the draft so far. On the other hand, Toad is right too often to ignore Heckert just punched him in the stomach.
On the one hand, Holgren believed in Brett Farve and Hasselbeck.
On the other hand, he believed in Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy.
I guess it's an effin crap shoot, after all.
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Good read. Sometimes it takes awhile to get it. Hopefully, we get ourselves a hell of a DT that is just now coming into his own. We really need that 3rd DT to rotate and keep Rubin and Taylor fresh as last year they were just worn out.
Just saw what Mayock said about our picks. He didn't act like any of them were ridiculous. He said Hughs had been rising up draft boards and that he was a hard work rotational D-Lineman. I can't find the article.
EDIT: Pick Analysis: Mayock's take: "He's been rising over about the last two months or so. He's not elite in any one solid category, but he will be a good rotational player." (About Hughes, so there ya go someone who disagrees with Walter and his "Major Big Boards")
Pick Analysis on Schwartz: "Pick Analysis: Mayock's take: "This is a guy that wins ugly -- but he wins. His stock has been rising ever since the Senior Bowl. His technique and the angles he takes are phenomenal. He's a plug-and-play right tackle, so he better be a starter right away."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:cle
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thats good news...maybe Heckert does know a thing or 2 
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John Hughes selected by Cleveland Browns: Conference call transcript -- NFL Draft 2012 | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2012/04/john_hughes_selected_by_clevel.htmlMedia conference call with John Hughes, the University of Cincinnati defensive tackle picked by the Cleveland Browns in the third round of the NFL draft. (Describing himself as a player): Hughes: "I feel like I'm more of a run guy. I use my hands well to get off blocks and I feel that is my strong suit as a player." (About whether the Browns were in contact with him): Hughes: "Yes, I have been in contact with them the past couple weeks. They were actually the first team I visited during this whole process." (On where he thought he would get drafted): Hughes: "I really had no idea. I think no one really has a good idea of where they are going, but I thought the Browns for sure, the Saints and maybe the Bears. There were a lot of teams out there." (On what round he thought he would get drafted): Hughes: "Honestly, I invited all of my family to come over tomorrow morning to watch the draft, so I was thinking more fourth round." (On if he pays attention to the draft books and scouting reports about him): Hughes: "I do, kind of, but I don't really let that affect me." (On if he will still have a party tomorrow morning): Hughes: "My family is still going to come over. We are going to have a cookout or something and celebrate." (On what he feels he can add to the team): Hughes: "I think I can be a great addition to the team. Anyway I can help the team, anyway they ask me to help them, and I will be more than happy to. I feel like I can be a nice addition to the defensive line."
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All he has to do is be good enough to give Rubin and Taylor a breather every once and a while and he is a successful pick.
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We could have had Tannehill at 4
Sanu at 22
and LaMichael James, at 37, and Oh
I think there was a choice of Offensive tackle at 67
Without One single trade.
Sf, is going to the Sb this year, LaMichael James, ( I don't care if they say he's not an every down back. Well there he'd have Gore
Well here he'd have OgBonnaya? They went 3 games last year with Og?
I'm telling ya, He's gonna have more yards, more all purpuse yards, more TD's and more wins by the team. Unless injured.
And Tannehill is worse than weeden? NO its 50/50 nobody knows yet.
They overpaid for Trent, ( trading up) and? Sigh...
Who cares? They don't seem to want to get better?
I'm beginning to believe, there is a talent ceiling on this team, and the won't DARE exceed it.
They Won't exceed this talent ceiling, because if they did, they might have too fat a payroll?
IF? If there were a talent ceiling on this team, then as soon as they drafted Weeden, they would start trying to dump McCoy?
IF? If there were a talent ceiling on this team, they wouldn't draft a wide receiver because they want big money contracts.
They'd draft ?
Well this, the 2012 first 3 rounds.
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I think there was a choice of Offensive tackle at 67
Without One single trade.
And we would have had a worse team.
Ugh
Richardson vs James? Give me Richardson every day of the year.
Weeden vs Tannehill? Give me Weeden. I'm not 100% sold on him, but I am absolutely "unsold" on Tannehill. I think that he will be a spectacular flop.
Sanu or Schwartz? I'll take Schwartz every day. I like Sanu, but he could easily be forced into a slot receiver role, as opposed to being an outside receiver. I think Scwartz starts day 1, and starts for many years to come.
The 4th pick was iffy for me. I'll give Heckert the benefit of the doubt on Hughes. He seems to know his DL ...... so maybe he hits a mid round home run.
So ....... you or Heckert? I'll take Heckert, thank you very much.
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Well...the best thing I can say about this pick is that at least we didn't take a Punter  the 2nd best thing is at least we got the best pick back we lost in the TR trade up, so if they find some value in the 4th/5th I'll just punt/switch this pick with a later round value to feel better about it... That said...letting Sanu go to the Bengals for this was a real party pooper for me yesterday...then again, I know next to nothing about this guy, although I "scouted" 200+ players, so Heckert gets the benefit of the doubt....he better be at least as good as Thompson, who fell to the Bengals....and we left Bequette on the board for him...I hope we will not regret this pick It's not only Heckert....somehow there are a lot of GMs going bananas in round 3 every year of the draft..don't know what it is...I only know that you set your watch that teams like the Ravens, Giants and Eagles always just take the obvious value....Eagles getting Curry at 59 is a flat out steal...F.Cox and Curry is exceptional value for how they entered the draft
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"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
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I read a few pieces that stated the kid was savvy enough--able to read and diagnose early. Sounds like a good kid you want to have on your team and see do well.
Still, I can't understand why take him at that point when you had a better prospect in Brandon Thompson still on the board.
I actually understand the "need." We had a poor run 'D' last year and we can use a fresh body to help out. Here's hoping he's the Athyba Rubin of this years' draft just taken a few rounds too early.
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Funny thing is Heckert thought someone else would take him before 87...
IDK.. but Welcome to Cleveland.
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This is the defining draft of the Holmgren/Heckert era.
Anyone else feel depressed?
Depressed? I'm effing angry! I'm foaming-at-the-mouth livid!
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